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Lawnmower

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Mar 2006

W/R

10 May 2007 at 21:39 - 1

Is it because I love GW so much that I dont want people and dev support to move over to the sequel?

I dont know.

Come to think about it, I loathe the idea that they have to call it "guild wars 2":/

I mean, sure, does it really matter what its called, but somehow it really sets it up as milking of the franchise. it might be the new guild wars 2, but it aint guild wars and nothing ever will?

come to think of it, I dont think I have ever played a sequel to an original game that I liked more than the original.

and a part of me is also like this: why even bother playing GW2, when GW3 is probably around the corner 2 years after, and then you have to start all over again.

its what sucks about online games. they are only as fun as when people are flocking to them and are interested.

the failure of NWN2 recently made me think. that game killed NWNs thriving community, just by being a bad sequel. the community just couldnt survive it and thats the problem. if its bad sometimes it can backfire.

not that I think that GW2 will be bad, but I am still annoyed over it, despite not knowing anything about it really. why is it called guild wars 2? it seems cheap. guild wars is better than this.? than resorting to numbered sequels like final fantasy 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,10-2,11,12,13... and so on..

I dont know why I find it disturbing. its very strange. I should be so psyched for the game but instead I have gone into depression and dont really play the original anymore. I cant make myself do anything in the game. "GW2 is on the way. everyone will be gone soon. time to jump ship from this world" kind of feeling is what saddens my heart

Skyy High

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: May 2006

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10 May 2007 at 22:01 - 2

Stop. It's a game, and they're a game company. The fact that they're "milking the franchise" is not anything to be complaining about; they're trying to make money off of what has turned out to be a successful game by turning it into a successful line of games.

And tbh, if you don't buy a game because the next one will arrive in 2 years...idk what to tell you. As if the $50 you spend on GW2 won't be worth the 2 years of entertainment it gives you before the next game comes out.

lacasner

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jun 2006

10 May 2007 at 22:07 - 3

Quote:

I dont know why I find it disturbing. its very strange. I should be so psyched for the game but instead I have gone into depression and dont really play the original anymore. I cant make myself do anything in the game. "GW2 is on the way. everyone will be gone soon. time to jump ship from this world" kind of feeling is what saddens my heart

You're probably depressed because you feel like you got all your accomplishments and items and armors for nothing.

Buster

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jan 2006

Elona

Clan Eternal Legion

D/W

10 May 2007 at 22:14 - 4

Ah man don't feel bad ! GW2 is gonna rock big time! Persistant world, World PvP and alot more. I know GW2 will be a big change for people because they are used to a campaign style of play with instances but being in a persistant world so much fun. New classes, new races, new everything

They started to put some info on the plaync site. Maybe they are getting ready to gives us more info on GW:EN and GW2 ?

http://www.plaync.com/us/games/gwen/

Tahlia Tane

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Oct 2006

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11 May 2007 at 01:20 - 5

OP isn't making sense.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Buster

Ah man don't feel bad ! GW2 is gonna rock big time! Persistant world, World PvP and alot more. I know GW2 will be a big change for people because they are used to a campaign style of play with instances but being in a persistant world so much fun. New classes, new races, new everything

They started to put some info on the plaync site. Maybe they are getting ready to gives us more info on GW:EN and GW2 ?

http://www.plaync.com/us/games/gwen/

Listen to this man!!!

natuxatu

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Apr 2006

Wisconsin

Rt/Mo

11 May 2007 at 01:24 - 6

Yeah, it's a win/lose situations but i think the win will outweigh the loss.. we're loosing guildwars (though it'll still be around for those who refuse to move over to gw2) and then there is Guild wars 2, which already sounds pretty exciting.. and because Guild Wars is a great game imo GW2 will be even better. ... especially if there is an Auction House

Tahlia Tane

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Oct 2006

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11 May 2007 at 01:31 - 7

Guild Wars won't 'lose' that much. Guild Wars will still be supported by ArenaNet (events). It just won't be getting expansions. And I'm glad. Guild Wars don't need anymore expansions after Eye of the North. It sort of ruins Guild Wars. The way it works with expansions, I don't like it. It's not seemless. Guild Wars 2 will be different. I welcome the change.

Guild Wars 2 will be..............

Omg.

OMGOMGOMGOGMO OGMOG OGM OOMG OMG

defrule

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Oct 2005

Volcano Insurance Salesmen [scam]

11 May 2007 at 01:37 - 8

How do you know there will be an auction house in GW2?

Tactical-Dillusions

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11 May 2007 at 01:41 - 9

Look at the success of Guild Wars and imagine what a joyride it's going to be when they add all their experience and the things that they, as developers, have learned into the sequel.

I'm considering sticking with the Guild Wars franchise even though i was adamant that i would move on in October to fresh pastures.

I went to bed smiling after i read the gamespot and gamespy articles!

TwinRaven

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Apr 2005

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11 May 2007 at 01:43 - 10

Guild Wars 2 is not the most original name, but then, how can the creators of the game link the franchise to the previous game? Can't name it Guild Wars: ________ because they did that with chapters. So, Gotta show folks it's brought to you by....without saying "brought to you by....". Some sequals suffer from association with previous versions of the game, but sometimes it is not so much "milking" the franchise, but saying "remember the really cool game we made? We'll here's an even cooler version of it"....Hard to do that without saying it's a sequal....btw System Shock 2, waaaaay better than System SHock (looking forward to Bioshock....not many people know the relationship to the previous games, but then, it's not truely a sequal)...I still think there is a possibility that after NCSoft/ANet are confident the community is aware of the product and know how it fits into the Guild Wars universe, they can be free to form focus groups to consider new and improved possible names....heck, given their record, they may even hold a "Name the Game" contest...hmmmmm....put your thinking caps on, kiddies!

Kuldebar Valiturus

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11 May 2007 at 01:46 - 11

I understand and feel a little bit of what the OP is feeling about the game. It's entirely understandable, natural and human. Doesn't matter that it is a game.

And, despite "it only being a game," it's very much part of a basic life lesson that we all eventually have to learn:

All things eventually come to an end, and once you have to face that reality it can cast a shadow over your present happiness. The trick is to not let it ruin what you have at the moment. Besides, there's always the morbid possibility that these moments may be all all we have left.

As I have grown older, I have had to face this realization, and sure, it's not something altogether pleasant to have to acknowledge.

But, such is life...and death. Real and virtual.

Tahlia Tane

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Oct 2006

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11 May 2007 at 01:47 - 12

Quote:

Originally Posted by TwinRaven

Guild Wars 2 is not the most original name, but then, how can the creators of the game link the franchise to the previous game? Can't name it Guild Wars: ________ because they did that with chapters. So, Gotta show folks it's brought to you by....without saying "brought to you by....". Some sequals suffer from association with previous versions of the game, but sometimes it is not so much "milking" the franchise, but saying "remember the really cool game we made? We'll here's an even cooler version of it"....Hard to do that without saying it's a sequal....btw System Shock 2, waaaaay better than System SHock (looking forward to Bioshock....not many people know the relationship to the previous games, but then, it's not truely a sequal)...I still think there is a possibility that after NCSoft/ANet are confident the community is aware of the product and know how it fits into the Guild Wars universe, they can be free to form focus groups to consider new and improved possible names....heck, given their record, they may even hold a "Name the Game" contest...hmmmmm....put your thinking caps on, kiddies!

Guild Wars 2 is a long way off, it would not be unreasonable to think that the name and logo are tentative. Regardless, there's nothing wrong with the name Guild Wars 2. It's the sequel to Guild Wars.

Secretly I hope they change the Guild Wars 2 logo... but I digress. I play games, not logos!

VitisVinifera

Banned

Join Date: Nov 2005

Northern California

HoTR

N/Me

11 May 2007 at 01:48 - 13

I welcome it. In the PC Gamer article, they admit that the current mode of a completely new ch ever 6 months, with new profs and skills, was untenable.

As new chapters come out, skills are underpowered and overpowered, plus some work together in totally unanticipated ways, and you have a metagame that hugely flawed. Nerfs happen, things that need fixing in PvP wind up hurting PvE'ers, there's a big imbalance between PvP and PvE. We wind up where we are now: so many broken aspects of the game, situations where there are acknowledged problems but no solutions (or Anet doesn't feel like addressing them).

They need to start from scratch with a new mechanic where these things don't happen, where Anet constantly is changing the rules. They've got such a backlog of problems right now that they can't possibly catch up, and we are seeing promises broken, and Gaile looking like a complete tool with her responses and double-speak and self-contradictions.

Domino

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: May 2005

Houston

A/Rt

11 May 2007 at 01:56 - 14

I do not fear the coming storm.

Bryant Again

Hall Hero

Join Date: Feb 2006

11 May 2007 at 02:00 - 15

You may just feel like they kind of sold-out to the crowd. They're trying a lot of things that's traditional for MMO's, so you may not like the fact that GW2 won't be as "unique" as GW1 was.

However, unlike NWN2 (it's still a decent game, I'm playing it right now, but it does feel kind of rehased. I can tell/rant to you in fuller detail in a PM, heh), GW2 will be published by the exact same people. So I'm taking comfort into that.

I'm just glad it won't be as party-based, if party-based at all, as Guild Wars 1 was. 8 people is just way too many to have to find for a PUG.

Lynxius

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Apr 2006

11 May 2007 at 02:12 - 16

Quote:

Originally Posted by lacasner

You're probably depressed because you feel like you got all your accomplishments and items and armors for nothing.

Some acomplishments such as titles will be trasferable to gw2 in some way in the ancestors thingy.

So to the OP:

Enjoy the game right now mate!
When its time to move on to a greater game, then think about it then.
For now just enjoy the present! =D

viper11025

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Mar 2007

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11 May 2007 at 02:19 - 17

Well with EoTN you should be able to get ALOT of good stuff for GW2.

darkknightkain

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Mar 2007

P/W

11 May 2007 at 02:36 - 18

"Diabolo III: World of guildWars" <<---------------- what my alliance call it.

A level grinding required mmo (with level-difference means so-much that it actually needs a sidekick system) that features the world and lore of our beloved Guild Wars.

Though I have to admit, that advertisment "Guild Wars Campaigns CANCELLED

" from PCgamer is definitely doing more harm than hype to GW... Even non-GW players knows GW is ending and now holding off their purchases.

With GW:EN said to grant unique stuffs into GW2, the GW2 economy is broken before it even starts. Well, just hope GW2 is not as bad as PCgamer described it could be (cross fingers!)

Bryant Again

Hall Hero

Join Date: Feb 2006

11 May 2007 at 02:41 - 19

Quote:

Originally Posted by darkknightkain

"Diabolo III: World of guildWars" <<---------------- what my alliance call it.

A level grinding required mmo (with level-difference means so-much that it actually needs a sidekick system) that features the world and lore of our beloved Guild Wars.

Though I have to admit, that advertisment "Guild Wars Campaigns CANCELLED

" from PCgamer is definitely doing more harm than hype to GW... Even non-GW players knows GW is ending and now holding off their purchases.

With GW:EN said to grant unique stuffs into GW2, the GW2 economy is broken before it even starts. Well, just hope GW2 is not as bad as PCgamer described it could be (cross fingers!)

You're assuming waaaaay too much at the moment.

However, I will say that Anet was also very pissed off at the "Guild Wars Campaigns CANCELLED" thing on the front.

FoxBat

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Apr 2006

Amazon Basin [AB]

Mo/Me

11 May 2007 at 02:53 - 20

Quote:

Originally Posted by lacasner

You're probably depressed because you feel like you got all your accomplishments and items and armors for nothing.

They always were worth nothing!

fenix

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11 May 2007 at 05:48 - 21

The best way to look at Guild Wars 2, is this AWESOME guild name:

World of Charrcraft [GWII]

That's basically what GW2 will be. WoW, with Charr.

Akuma

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Yale University [Snow]

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11 May 2007 at 05:51 - 22

Get over it.

Members of this community have shown absolutely no trust at all to what ArenaNet says, why are they listening now?

ayame ftw

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Nov 2006

Belgium

Forgot the Ghostlyyyyy

R/

11 May 2007 at 06:04 - 23

Quote:

Originally Posted by AkumaZ

Get over it.

Members of this community have shown absolutely no trust at all to what ArenaNet says, why are they listening now?

most people dont believe in anet because of this:

Quote:

Originally Posted by VitisVinifera

As new chapters come out, skills are underpowered and overpowered, plus some work together in totally unanticipated ways, and you have a metagame that hugely flawed. Nerfs happen, things that need fixing in PvP wind up hurting PvE'ers, there's a big imbalance between PvP and PvE. We wind up where we are now: so many broken aspects of the game, situations where there are acknowledged problems but no solutions (or Anet doesn't feel like addressing them).

They need to start from scratch with a new mechanic where these things don't happen, where Anet constantly is changing the rules. They've got such a backlog of problems right now that they can't possibly catch up, and we are seeing promises broken, and Gaile looking like a complete tool with her responses and double-speak and self-contradictions.

Sirds

Academy Page

Join Date: Jun 2006

Riga

Mo/

11 May 2007 at 10:45 - 24

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lawnmower

...
I dont know why I find it disturbing. its very strange. I should be so psyched for the game but instead I have gone into depression and dont really play the original anymore. I cant make myself do anything in the game. ...

Same here. Worst, I not see myself playing GW:EN or GW2. GW2 kill GW1 and GW:EN is bridge to the end. Got second birthday gift ,but no fun...
I know , thats no logic, that is just feeling.

Pandora's box

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Apr 2005

Netherlands

Mo/W

11 May 2007 at 10:57 - 25

I agree, they should not name it GW 2. It will be a completely differend game. A better game I hope. The current level cap and skill balancing system makes it impossible to continue to devellope challenging new content. So good-riddance to it!

But no need to be sad for those who liked it. GW will continue to exist and I'm sure there will be enough new events and minor updates to have fun for many more years.

ayame ftw

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Nov 2006

Belgium

Forgot the Ghostlyyyyy

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11 May 2007 at 11:15 - 26

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pandora's box

But no need to be sad for those who liked it. GW will continue to exist and I'm sure there will be enough new events and minor updates to have fun for many more years.

keep on dreaming, Guild wars will be empty...
the people that really liked guild wars will move on to GW2
all the other people that cant be bothered to start over from scratch, will play an other game

a really, really small minority will stay in GW1 lets say 10% of the current population, the upside is u will sit in HA and get rank 12 in a month... (if u are some what descent)

to keep a “old” game alive u need a modble factor
example Half-life, u could create your own “mods” for the game
use the existing engine to make spin-off’s (like counter-strike, ect)
the same goes for Warcraft3 u have ‘custom game modes” and a strong competitive ladder system.

GW is not flexible enough to allow the player to ‘mod’ the game
IMO

Amon Warrior

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Sep 2006

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11 May 2007 at 12:38 - 27

It is a franchise that keeps me entertained without any mandatory costs besides the ones you want to make. May ArenaNet keep 'milking the cow' in ways that'll blow your mind and make you beg for more.

My only concern is to get disappointed with the next installment.

Guild Wars is dead, long live Guild Wars!

arcanemacabre

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Feb 2006

North Kryta Province

Angel Sharks [As]

11 May 2007 at 12:56 - 28

Quote:

Originally Posted by darkknightkain

"Diabolo III: World of guildWars"

Don't you mean Diablo IV? Guild Wars was already Diablo III.

Look at it this way, WoW is now a senior citizen. If GW2 is a "WoW clone", it will be waaaay outdated 2-3 years from now, and no one will buy it. I would, on that alone, expect a lot more from Anet. They're not idiots, you know, being all successful and selling 3+mil copies and all.

Executioner

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Apr 2005

UK

N/A atm

11 May 2007 at 13:34 - 29

At a guess, GW will die while everyone switches to GW2, i do agree that the feeling of having to start over again is annoying but could be fun at the same time.

What i do think is if they were to do transferring of characters from GW to GW2 effectively, with gold, items, armours, titles (im not saying everything that you have in GW will be transfered just the stuff that could be transfered accordingly), that would make players feel that GW2 is not only advancement of your GW life time but an extension of GW as an ongoing community to GW2.

If i knew i would get my items, gold and titles, GW2 would feel more like progression instead of restart, this would also cause me to want to buy GW2 more than just if its something new/better/improved.

tivaan stormbringer

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Aug 2005

R/N

11 May 2007 at 13:56 - 30

Thats how I feel I dont want a restart on 1 char that that has unlimited leveling, I do enjoy switching off to other chars that are all max level and decked out for any occasion. When my group needs a monk I am one or a SS necro I am one, or warior or ele etc I can be any of those. But GW2 makes me feel as though once I chose a char and want to get into a decent grp well if they dont need that warrior there are millions then I cant switch to this or that cause I only have 1 lvl 50 char not 8 lvl 20 chars.

Lawnmower

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Mar 2006

W/R

11 May 2007 at 14:44 - 31

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kuldebar Valiturus

I understand and feel a little bit of what the OP is feeling about the game. It's entirely understandable, natural and human. Doesn't matter that it is a game.

And, despite "it only being a game," it's very much part of a basic life lesson that we all eventually have to learn:

All things eventually come to an end, and once you have to face that reality it can cast a shadow over your present happiness. The trick is to not let it ruin what you have at the moment. Besides, there's always the morbid possibility that these moments may be all all we have left.

As I have grown older, I have had to face this realization, and sure, it's not something altogether pleasant to have to acknowledge.

But, such is life...and death. Real and virtual.

Thank you.
It's strange but that actually helps alot. I am more happy now

Lawnmower

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Mar 2006

W/R

11 May 2007 at 14:47 - 32

Btw. Speaking of memories, I love this community. Being a guild wars follower way back in early 2004 to now, has been a blast and exciting.

Its been awesome standing on the sidelines, watching a new company taking risks and following their own goals, and achieving. Its been awesome experiencing all the holidays, the great reviews, the good sales, the campigns, the pvp matches.
We have had a ton of laughs, and some crying and blood spilling, but in the end its been one hell of a ride, in this crazy gaming world.
I am happy that I am a gamer

Ouchie

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jan 2007

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11 May 2007 at 15:09 - 33

Quote:

Originally Posted by fenix

The best way to look at Guild Wars 2, is this AWESOME guild name:

World of Charrcraft [GWII]

That's basically what GW2 will be. WoW, with Charr.

I hope you are wrong

I Like GW because its not Like WoW or LotR ~ I like how my character looks - I like a storyline that I can follow _ I like not having to cook a pot roast or fish or make my own weapons and most of all that I don't have to choose one and rely on getting others from someone else.

I don't want to bang on an ore deposit or fight someone to get to a wolf first to kill it. I like assigned loot, and storylines

The World PvP thing sounds good

I will have to play a human in GW2 because my beloved beautiful ranger would not mate with a charr to create a charr offspring to be a descendant of

I will wait and see.

Shuuda

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jul 2006

Guildless

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11 May 2007 at 16:28 - 34

It's just too early to be assuming and worrying about stuff, we've barely just learnt about it. I doubt it will be like WoW, it may have similar things, but it's going a bit far to assume it will just be another WoW clone.

off topic: I hope that the OP was not implying that Final Fantasy is a bad series of games.

Devronius

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Aug 2006

Portsmouth, UK

Flowers Of Evil

11 May 2007 at 19:24 - 35

It'll be a few years yet til GW2 comes out. Don't start complaining just yet.

Buster

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jan 2006

Elona

Clan Eternal Legion

D/W

11 May 2007 at 19:53 - 36

Quote:

Originally Posted by fenix

The best way to look at Guild Wars 2, is this AWESOME guild name:

World of Charrcraft [GWII]

That's basically what GW2 will be. WoW, with Charr.

Just because it is going to be a persistent world like WOW and other MMO's out there doesn't mean it is going to be like them. I don't think you can compare GW2 to anything yet because we don't even know what GW2 is going to look like.

Anet made a great GW1 that all their players love and I don't see it changing just because GW2 will be more of a MMO style game. I honestly think GW2 will reach greater achievements when it gets released.

thezed

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Oct 2006

Iowa, USA

HoTR

11 May 2007 at 19:56 - 37

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lawnmower

come to think of it, I dont think I have ever played a sequel to an original game that I liked more than the original.

Never? I find that hard to belive:

Kingdom Hearts 2
God of War 2
GTA: San Andries
Every Final Fantasy game (with the exception of X2 and XI) has been better then the last

And on the PC end:

Diblo 2
Civilization 2 and 3
Command and Conqure 2 and 3

This list could go on and on.

You seem to have a bit of a nestalgic side, nothing wrong with that, just dont let it get in your way of enjoying the "new". Doing that could turn you into one of those grumpy old men who always talk about "the good old days".

Lawnmower

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Mar 2006

W/R

14 May 2007 at 20:28 - 38

Quote:

Originally Posted by Devronius

It'll be a few years yet til GW2 comes out. Don't start complaining just yet.

I think GW2 will be a good game. but I love GW. Its like im thinking; "if GW2 is coming then GW is not worth anything"!

But thats like saying there is no point in living in real life, because we are all gonna die some day, right?

I wanted my guild wars avatar to be a part of me always. gw2 shatters that dream.

why do they have to make gw2? I dont mind them not making more expansions but why? why do they have to call it guild wars? couldnt they call it something else? anything but guild wars 2

Goldenboy

Academy Page

Join Date: Feb 2007

England, UK

Scouts of Tyria [SoT]

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14 May 2007 at 20:39 - 39

Quote:

Originally Posted by Buster

http://www.plaync.com/us/games/gwen/

Anyone want to explain to me when Natalie Portman became a Norn?

Dougal Kronik

Forge Runner

Join Date: Aug 2005

Ontario, Canada

Glengarry Fencibles

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14 May 2007 at 23:24 - 40

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lawnmower

I think GW2 will be a good game. but I love GW. Its like im thinking; "if GW2 is coming then GW is not worth anything"!

But thats like saying there is no point in living in real life, because we are all gonna die some day, right?

I wanted my guild wars avatar to be a part of me always. gw2 shatters that dream.

why do they have to make gw2? I dont mind them not making more expansions but why? why do they have to call it guild wars? couldnt they call it something else? anything but guild wars 2

The point is everything is finite to humanity in real life. And since you are apparently coming to realize that nothing lasts forever, it's giving you a morbid outlook on the future.

Guild Wars 2 will carry on your characters accomplishments through the Hall of Monuments. That is how your characters will attain immortality and live through their descendants. Much like people do in real life. Your deeds and offspring carry on your story and relate the extraordinary accomplishments that you, and those before you, have done.

Instead of feeling bad for your GW characters make their accomplishements noteworthy. Get some titles maxed that will pass on the greatness that they were to their descendants in GW2.

Take a break from Guild Wars and research your own ancestry and learn about those that have gone before you, and maybe it will help avoid the depression and sense of loss that people feel with endings.