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Originally Posted by lyra_song
I can tell you for a fact that some of the best designers i know SUCK at drawing.
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My wife is a prime example of this... she designs and makes original wedding dresses, makes clothes and quilts, raises card-making and scrap-booking to an art form (seriously), and has a flair for interior design...she is very creative, but can't draw or paint well at all. I'm an art teacher, so I have a bit of an inkling of what drawing proficiency looks like.
Conversely, some of the best, technically proficient artists I know utterly lack imagination and though their work is well drawn, it lacks the breath of inspiration in the extreme.
Wow! Look at that wonderfully drawn Seahawks mascot...looks exactly like the ones on the helmet....well done! But weren't you supposed to draw a coastal bird in it's natural environment? Ah, sorry, didn't notice the Space Needle in the background.
Truth is, some people lack the imagination to see what the judges saw....You can tell them the idea is important,
not the drawing ability of the artist and they will still cry foul. I am of more than one mind on this:
1. These people entered better drawings, not better ideas and didn't win.
2. These people didn't bother to enter. Seeing drawings that won that aren't technically as well done as they believe they can do, they wish they had.
3. These people do not understand that the competition is about
concepts that the GW team can implement, and can be made to fit the GW style.
4. These people are part of the general negativity that seems to have infected these forums...seriously, check out all the other forums regarding GW...This is the largest and most active: it is also the most negative, whiny, bitchy, cranky, snively, fussy, etc. Most of the other websites have a much higher ratio of "Congrats! Well done!" messages, whereas this one seems to have the highest "WTF" ratio...what gives? It used to be a great place to read up on what was going on in game, how people were getting this or that skill, weapon, item etc...Now it seems the popularity of it has caused all the negative folks to just come here for the largest reading audience to its trash-talking, wtf I got banned, you suck and I rule, I could have drawn better, ANet needs to listen to ME, Guildwars is boring, crap-o-la!!! Get over yourselves, people...Instead of pitching your negative crap out into the world so it can flood on back to you in a wave of self-serving hogwallow, why don't you try to forget for a moment that anonymity breeds stupidity and put on your finest thinking cap, discard the negative-nelley thorn-lined underpanties, forget all the wedgies you got in junior high school and think of something positive to say... You can still express yourself, get your ideas out there without the bitchfest. If you don't like something, you can say so in a positive way...i.e. don't like the combined winners? Say, "I hope that the design team is ready for a challenge, because I don't see what they do here...maybe they already have an idea this fits into." instead of the negative bile coming out with the WTF, these all suck comments...sheesh. You want changes? Make more positive statements, people will be more willing to listen.
I'm not for moderators having to step in for any conversation that doesn't remain positive, but a little civility goes a long way. As for why I care so much: I did win! Number 4, the frog scepter...Am I proud of my achievement, sure...do I like hearing criticism about my drawing? Absolutely...some people think it's great, some think it's too cutesy, some just say it's not their favorite, some don't care for animal based designs...all well and good, I can take it...I expect it! But for the combined winners and people taking a lot of nasty crap about their drawings, why diminish their accomplishment? Why cut them down? Why cut the design team down for thinking they can make something of the ideas? Seriously...why not just say congratulations or move along to something else? You don't like it? Fine. Say so without the bile...there is no reason for it and it tends to rub off on others. It's the same mentality that causes mobs to form and riots to start (I'm mad at stuff and I wanna do damage because someone else invited me to). Just dumb.
As for the OP...when you think about it...the community did kinda get to decide. Some decided to make a drawing, put it in an envelope and mail it before the deadline. If the design team wanted to take the time to post their favorite 100 and let people vote for weapons via a poll (with 1 man 1 vote technology in place), we would still have a bunch of people griping and fussing over the designs that won...it seems to be the nature of negative people to rant in the forums where no one knows who they really are and there are few social consequences for their negativity...as long as they follow forum rules, no one will ask them to leave the premises.
I like the idea of the GW community participating in the game IRL, and I also know that the folks at GW have done a lot more for us than a lot of other games out there. Maybe they should have read "If You Give a Mouse a Cookie" before giving us anything...
