Keyless Chests for Cantha and Tyria

Dougal Kronik

Dougal Kronik

Forge Runner

Join Date: Aug 2005

Ontario, Canada

Glengarry Fencibles

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Since the chests were introduced to get players some gold and gold items by playing through the game they should be added to Tyria and Cantha.

Especially since Loot Scaling was introduced. Players without Nightfall get about 25k less gold by playing through the campaign just from these keyless chests.

Not to mention they reset, the formula's still being investigated in Cracking the secret chest formula.

This would allow players with these campaigns to get some more gold for skills, runes, ID and salvage kits.

It would also help to renew interest in Prophecies and Factions. Retain Interest in Prophecies Campaign

FelixCarter

FelixCarter

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jul 2006

Mo/Me

Never gonna happen, unfortunatly. The chests were a "Christmas Present" only for Elona.
Tyria got Icy Dragon Swords.
Cantha got screwed.

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Elona, Tyria, and Cantha all have their own "presents". Crossing them over to other continents is doubtful, to say the least.

freekedoutfish

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jun 2006

E/

I opened most of the chests in cantha and they didnt do me much benefit. I maybe made about 5k max from selling them all to the merchant.

I dont see what huge difference they would make to cantha and tyria. We already have new chests in HM in all campaigns, so they would be a bit redundant.

And personally, I think the renewl aspect has already been covered with HM. It made me replay Tyria and I enjoyed it.

Div

Div

I like yumy food!

Join Date: Jan 2006

Where I can eat yumy food

Dead Alley [dR]

Mo/R

I think it's anet's intention to give the best stuff to the newest campaign. Though I can see the importance of keeping the older chapters alive too...

Dougal Kronik

Dougal Kronik

Forge Runner

Join Date: Aug 2005

Ontario, Canada

Glengarry Fencibles

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Quote:
Originally Posted by freekedoutfish
I opened most of the chests in cantha and they didnt do me much benefit. I maybe made about 5k max from selling them all to the merchant.

I dont see what huge difference they would make to cantha and tyria. We already have new chests in HM in all campaigns, so they would be a bit redundant.

And personally, I think the renewl aspect has already been covered with HM. It made me replay Tyria and I enjoyed it.
That's merching the gold items.

You can get around 25k in gold from all of the chests. The first ones are around 500g and the latter ones are around 3.5k. 12 chests comes out to about 25k.

This gives characters in Elona an unfair advantage over Tyrian and Canthan.

Angel Netherborn

Angel Netherborn

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jun 2006

Lower Ward, Sigil

Goda Vos

They're called "Treasure" by the GuildWiki. Easier to differentiate them from the chests.

Seeing how this is a request to add stuff to old campaigns, it's highly unlikely to happen.

freekedoutfish

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jun 2006

E/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dougal Kronik
That's merching the gold items.

You can get around 25k in gold from all of the chests. The first ones are around 500g and the latter ones are around 3.5k. 12 chests comes out to about 25k.

This gives characters in Elona an unfair advantage over Tyrian and Canthan.
Oh yeah, I forgot about that!! Still though, with the intro of HM and the drops in there, you can make a canny bit anyway.

I just dont see it as something we need.

SotiCoto

SotiCoto

Banned

Join Date: Jan 2007

Drazach Thicket

Temple of Zhen Xianren [Sifu]

Want more free stuff?

Good luck with that... *Laughs*



Though all that stuff about finding the treasure while playing through Nightfall is bollocks. I've found a grand total of two of them with my Assassin... and yes, he has completed Nightfall. He just happened to get one at some random location in Vabbi... and another in Nightfallen Jahai while farming Lightbringer Points.
I have no clue where any others are.... packed into the obscure nooks and crannies of the game that you wouldn't bother investigating without being wall-grinding for the GMC most likely.... but then I never was in the habit of paying attention to things with yellow text (since in Prophecies they didn't do anything at all).

Sophitia Leafblade

Sophitia Leafblade

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Nov 2005

Dragon Slayer Guild [DSG]

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All chests once were free, but chest runners got that killed since they were making too much money from it.

Anet later added in a couple of special chests that were openable free however these too were removed since chest runners where abusing them.

Anet tried Again in NF with the idea of having some secret coding behind them to refill them now and again and gradually reduce quality of drops.

Tarun

Tarun

Technician's Corner Moderator

Join Date: Jan 2006

The TARDIS

http://www.lunarsoft.net/ http://forums.lunarsoft.net/

/signed for sure.

I miss those free chests outside Thunderhead and in Dreadnought's Drift.

freekedoutfish

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jun 2006

E/

Quote:
Originally Posted by SotiCoto
...I have no clue where any others are...
Some people amaze me with how they get from one day to the next...

Guildwiki tells you exactly where they are

...research never hurts! Thats how I found most of them. I only left out the ones I couldnt be bothered to reach.

SotiCoto

SotiCoto

Banned

Join Date: Jan 2007

Drazach Thicket

Temple of Zhen Xianren [Sifu]

Quote:
Originally Posted by freekedoutfish
Some people amaze me with how they get from one day to the next...

Guildwiki tells you exactly where they are

...research never hurts! Thats how I found most of them. I only left out the ones I couldnt be bothered to reach.
¬_¬

For the record I didn't even know they existed TO research them until I was well into Vabbian territory, and even then I wasn't sure exactly what had happened and wondered if I'd had a key and opened a chest manually without remembering.

It wasn't until I was in the Desolation that I read of someone talking about some hidden chest reset that I actually realised what was going on.... and by then I realised that I didn't really care at all. After that I found just the one.... in Nightfallen Jahai....

And honestly, I can't really be arsed to find the rest. It doesn't get me a title, nor does it guarantee any items of use.... nor indeed any significant measure of gold.... so why the smeggery should I go out of my way to hunt them down?

HawkofStorms

HawkofStorms

Hall Hero

Join Date: Aug 2005

E/

Ummm lets see. 25k per character. 8 characters. 200k. Plus 80 gold items for wisdom seeker. Yeah that's not an advancement towards a title at all, nor a significant amount of money

MithranArkanere

MithranArkanere

Underworld Spelunker

Join Date: Nov 2006

wikipedia.org/wiki/Vigo

Heraldos de la Llama Oscura [HLO]

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They are treasueres and are currently 'Nightfall' specialty, like Tyrian Skill quests and Canthan insane exp rewards.

But would be somehow good to export them to other regions... they are something interesting, that brings people to some places that otherwise they may never go to and have a closer look at them.

(Speacially the Do Not Touch ones)

=HT=Ingram

=HT=Ingram

Forge Runner

Join Date: Feb 2005

Anchorage Alaska

Haz Team [HT]

R/W

Actually tyria DID have a few... 3 I think... freebe chests, that often had purples in them with a rare gold. Plus tyria had the free chests during the original launch prior to key system... The 3 freebe chest, 2 in shiver peeks and 1 in the desert, were changed to quest items chests as I remember cause they were being massively farmed... Not 1 time a month per character, but like 500 times in a week in some cases... so they HAD to go...

As far as I know Cantha, never had any freebe chests to offer... I would not be opposed to it if it was similar to the Elona ones... 1 time a month, per character, (I actually think it should be per account if they added all these extra chests, but celavie). However tyria, could implement the freebe ones again pretty easy just by activating the ones they nerfed, and adding the elonia timing system to them...

Winterclaw

Winterclaw

Wark!!!

Join Date: May 2005

Florida

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sophitia Leafblade
All chests once were free, but chest runners got that killed since they were making too much money from it.

Anet later added in a couple of special chests that were openable free however these too were removed since chest runners where abusing them.

Anet tried Again in NF with the idea of having some secret coding behind them to refill them now and again and gradually reduce quality of drops.
Most of the "free" ones were usually junk from what I remember until they did that special pair of chests.


However they could add them back under the NF system.

KamikazeChicken

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Aug 2005

Mo/

Cantha and Tyria might get keyless chests with GW:EN. It took Nightfall to get everyone the material storage upgrade after all.

freekedoutfish

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jun 2006

E/

Quote:
Originally Posted by SotiCoto
so why the smeggery should I go out of my way to hunt them down?
Hang on....

You were complaining that you had no idea where the treasures were, so you werent going to waste time looking.

I gave you a link telling you exactly where each one is. But now your complaining its too much hard work to actually go to those locations.

Its like trying to leed a starving horse to a field of grass, but the horse wants you to bring the grass to him. Is it actually possible to make you happy Soti?

When I first found out about the treatures, I instantly went to guildwiki and found where they were. It only took me about an hour+ of running around to those locations to get most of them.

Assuming you have most of the map uncovered, then it should be no work at all. Most are in really easy places to reach. Its only the yellow sand zones which are a bit trickier, but thats only about 3 or 4 treasures.

But yeah, I cant see previous campaigns being updated with this. If you consider that Tyria is a much larger continent, it would need alot more treasures then both elona and cantha. I dont think Anet would put the time into doing that.

Amon Warrior

Amon Warrior

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Sep 2006

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sophitia Leafblade
Anet tried Again in NF with the idea of having some secret coding behind them to refill them now and again and gradually reduce quality of drops.
If this safeguard is in place, the reason why we can't find this feature in other campaigns may be to keep people who own all of them from getting their hands to too much easy money.

And why would we want the exact same stuff in other campaigns? Couldn't there be room to other cool bonuses?

SotiCoto

SotiCoto

Banned

Join Date: Jan 2007

Drazach Thicket

Temple of Zhen Xianren [Sifu]

Quote:
Originally Posted by freekedoutfish
Its like trying to leed a starving horse to a field of grass, but the horse wants you to bring the grass to him. Is it actually possible to make you happy Soti?
It is like trying to lead a horse to a small paddock when there are vast, open fields behind it...

In the time it takes me to get to the chests, I could have got twice as many golds farming in Urgoz's Warren.... if I felt so inclined.

If I happen to randomly come across them while going from A to B then sure, I'll open them... but why the heck should I bother searching them out when my time could be better spent doing something more profitable AND repeatable?

Widen your perspective.
I'm not so desperate for freebies that I'd pounce on every little thing someone left lying in a corner somewhere. If I was that desperate I'd hang out in Shing Jea all day with low-level characters and beg things off charitable souls to sell in Kaineng for profit...
I'm not.

These chests really aren't a big deal... especially since they're just one-offs.

freekedoutfish

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jun 2006

E/

Quote:
Originally Posted by SotiCoto
...If I happen to randomly come across them while going from A to B then sure, I'll open them... but why the heck should I bother searching them out when my time could be better spent doing something more profitable AND repeatable?
But thats the point! With guildwiki, you know exactly where they are, and most are within 2 minuts of an outpost. Its as quick as getting a hero/hench team together, doing a quick run or kill fest to the location and opening the treasure.

Some are admittadly in more obsecure places, that are hard to get to! But most are extremely easy to find. Its 0 effort at all to get to them and open them and as Dougal said, the gold reward is quite substancial!

Whats the alternative?

Farming creatures for around 100-200g each a drop, which you then have to share with your team. I would give it a go to find the treasures, because...

1) you dont share the loot with your team.
2) it will take at most about 2-5 minutes to reach most.

..it is your choice mind, but Id say its worth it if you really need some gold! Im happy just doing HM missions myself and raking in the 5k you make from each one on average.

Dougal Kronik

Dougal Kronik

Forge Runner

Join Date: Aug 2005

Ontario, Canada

Glengarry Fencibles

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I've never noticed if the chests spawn in HM.

The keyless chests were put in place for casual players to be able to make some gold for fixed price items.

With the new Loot Scaling, I feel that it would really benefit Tyria and Cantha to have Treausre Chests, Buried Treasure, and Do Not Touch spread out among the 2 continents.

Ands there is a lot of potential to flesh out some more of the lore with them being placed there.

Corinthian

Corinthian

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Sep 2005

Want keyless chests? Buy the damn campaign. -_-

Teh [prefession]-zorz

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Feb 2007

wisconsin

Spiders Lair Kurz [SpL]

W/A

Well id like to see one in the middle of icedome in hard mode

Dougal Kronik

Dougal Kronik

Forge Runner

Join Date: Aug 2005

Ontario, Canada

Glengarry Fencibles

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Corinthian
Want keyless chests? Buy the damn campaign. -_-
WOW, what an insightful post.

In answer to your mindless and pointless post, I do have the campaign.

Try not to be so selfish in the future and think of others who may not have all 3 campaigns.