D/E Molotv Cocktail Build....Maybe??

WarKaster

WarKaster

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Dec 2006

Los Angeles

SlingBlades

D/Mo

So i was screwing around in AB a couple of nights ago with a Burning Speed and Twin Moon Sweep build which caught a lot of people off guard granted they probably weren't the best players in world but I was extremely surprised that no one caught on maybe because they saw the D/E and automatically thought Obsidian Tank. But it worked even better if i waited to get hit with an Ele spell then cast it people really didn't notice the burning it causes and run away.

So my reasoning behind this wacky build is as follows.....Burning Speed at 7 Fire Magic does 6 seconds of burning. I don't know about you guys but to me thats a whole lot of burning, seeing as how the one skill that does 4 of burning with 13 into Mysticism is Heart of Holy Flame and I really dislike that skill.

So the skill bar i was just screwing around so i don't remember the exact build but it was something like and if my math is off the attribute points i apologize

Attributes:
Mysticism:9
Earth:9
Scythe: 14
Fire: 7 or 8

Skills:
Faithful Intervention
Mystic Regen
Vital Boon
Burning Speed
Wounding Strike
Mystic Sweep
Victorious Sweep
Twin Moon Sweep <----- or Res Sig.....but you don't really need a Res in AB

I'm also thinking of taking out some thing to use Flame Djinn's Haste some where in there as quick attack / Crap I need to get hell out of there! skill.

So after all that here is my question to you folks.....is a build like this even viable or am I just talking out my anus? Help and Input would be very appreciated.

Servant of Kali

Servant of Kali

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jan 2006

Me/

I cant stress this enough:

YOU NEED HEART OF FURY

Before anyone in this board goes making a Dervish build (unless it's a very very specific build), CHECK IF YOU HAVE HEART OF FURY (or equivalent).

For start, i hope this helped. After a bit more math (yes math is important) and experience, you will discover other things like, Watchful Intervention>Faithful Intervention.

WarKaster

WarKaster

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Dec 2006

Los Angeles

SlingBlades

D/Mo

If I thought heart of fury would have fit into this build i would have put in there....and i agree with you HoF is bad ass skill that I use in almost every other build I have, I didn't see the need for it in this build.

Second this is already and energy intensive build...I would think having to reply Watchful Intervention every 60 seconds or when some one else's health dips below 25% is even more taxing on energy with 3 10en skills already in the bar but i could be wrong I'm open to try anything.

And i do apologize for not putting up an explanation of what I was doing with this build it's mainly to cause burning and get off a quick spike with Wounding Strike, Mystic Sweep and followed by Victorious Sweep for a quick heal, if everything goes right, you should be able to cast Burning Speed one more time and rend it immediately with Twin Moon Sweep to get the double attack, along with an extra 6 seconds of burning and a second heal from it.

Lastly, please do not assume you know my level of experience and next time please read the entire post and not just skill's listed. Your comment was neither helpful nor did it serve a constructive purpose. I said my math is off because like i stated I was just screwing around in AB and second unlike l33t hAx0r players such as your self I don't have the time to memorize the amount of attribute points it takes to raise one attribute to the next level after the initial investment.

Servant of Kali

Servant of Kali

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jan 2006

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Originally Posted by WarKaster
If I thought heart of fury would have fit into this build i would have put in there...
If it doesnt fit in there, delete the build. Make new one, with Heart of Fury

I dont mind what build you play on your own, but if you decide to share it with us in the forum, put Heart of Fury. The only more important skill is an elite skill (unless it's Grenth's Grasp).

Yes im Heart of Fury addict!

Quote: I didn't see the need for it in this build. There is no need for a Dervish build without Heart of Fury, either

Quote: I would think having to reply Watchful Intervention every 60 seconds or when some one else's health dips below 25% is even more taxing on energy You only have to do it when it matters.

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Your comment was neither helpful nor did it serve a constructive purpose. My comment served a destructive purpose. Builds without Heart of Fury should be destroyed

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Lastly, please do not assume you know my level of experience Please do not assume that i dont know your level of experience.


Anyway, im not saying it's a horrible build, i never tried Burning Speed so no idea if it would work. Im sure it can be fun. You say my post wasnt helpful so i'll give up and let u use 4 attack skills, faithful and no heart of fury. Enjoy. I hope you play on Luxon side though

WarKaster

WarKaster

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Dec 2006

Los Angeles

SlingBlades

D/Mo

Quote:
Originally Posted by Servant of Kali
If it doesnt fit in there, delete the build. Make new one, with Heart of Fury

I dont mind what build you play on your own, but if you decide to share it with us in the forum, put Heart of Fury. The only more important skill is an elite skill (unless it's Grenth's Grasp).
Never said I wasn't going to try it, I said when I put the build together It was my deduction that I didn't need it.

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Originally Posted by Servant of Kali You only have to do it when it matters.
Was that so hard. To give an explanation as to why one should use a skill instead of another instead of going OMGWTFBBQ quit now noob.......

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Originally Posted by Servant of Kali My comment served a destructive purpose. Builds without Heart of Fury should be destroyed I have seen many build do fine with out HoF. Again that is your opinion and like everyone else on the face of this plant you are entitled to it.


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Originally Posted by Servant of Kali
Please do not assume that i dont know your level of experience. Well you know what happens when you assume.


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Originally Posted by Servant of Kali
Anyway, im not saying it's a horrible build, i never tried Burning Speed so no idea if it would work. Im sure it can be fun. You say my post wasnt helpful so i'll give up and let u use 4 attack skills, faithful and no heart of fury. Enjoy. I hope you play on Luxon side though And I didn't post this to start a flame war which is the way every thread goes after you post in it. I posted this for other players that are not as big an a-hole as you to help expand on this build. And I thank you for the Hof and Watchful Intervention Idea.

now how about a hug??

ArKaiN

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jan 2007

Lotus Branca[Lbr]

Mo/Me

Wounding Strike? check.
Self- burning? Check.
Avatar of Melandru? missing.

WarKaster

WarKaster

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Dec 2006

Los Angeles

SlingBlades

D/Mo

mystic vigor counter acts burning

Servant of Kali

Servant of Kali

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jan 2006

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Quote:
Originally Posted by WarKaster
Was that so hard. To give an explanation as to why one should use a skill instead of another
I know, sorry. It happens when i type posts after midnight, and then im too grumpy as well.
Anyway, if you're interested in Faithful vs Watchful discussion, i had a bit longer debate on that with someone else in this forum, see if you can find it. Am too tired to go through all that again If you manage to find the thread and posts referring to that, you will get in-depth analysis of pros and cons. In short, Watchful by a large margin wins over Faithful.

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I have seen many build do fine with out HoF In PvP, a build i would use has to be both fun and have the edge, or just have the edge. Im not satisfied with mediocre if it can be better.

Sure you can always say HoF is just my opinion, but trust me im not saying it just like that. And i dont lose anything if u dont use HoF, so it's up to you

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now how about a hug?? *gives u a manly hug* there! now quick, before someone sees us

WarKaster

WarKaster

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Dec 2006

Los Angeles

SlingBlades

D/Mo

tested the build out in RA today...It did well in there although we know how many bad players are in RA now a days.My group rolled off 11 straight Flawless wins. It was pretty balanced group so with out a doubt that helped a lot. More testing and tweaking to come.

Scythe 14
Myst 9
Earth 9
Fire 9

Watchful Intervention
Mystic Regen
Vital Boon
Burning Speed <---- works great for chasing kiters after the deep would mystic sweep combo
Mystic Sweep
Wounding Strike
Twin Moon Sweep
Res Sig <----- For AB i would lose this and bring HoF like Kali Suggested

I'm still trying to work out how to keep HoF permanently in there.

Servant of Kali

Servant of Kali

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Join Date: Jan 2006

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If you put HoF for Mystic you'd get more dmg. But u would lose some spike ability.. still im not sure how much you spike in RA so that's up to your estimation. Since your Mysticism isnt that high, i guess you can try without HoF. Dunno, i always play with high mysticism so HoF is a given.

ps: i hope ur pre-proting your teammates in RA with Watchful, before door open

WarKaster

WarKaster

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Dec 2006

Los Angeles

SlingBlades

D/Mo

Quote:
Originally Posted by Servant of Kali
If you put HoF for Mystic you'd get more dmg. But u would lose some spike ability.. still im not sure how much you spike in RA so that's up to your estimation. Since your Mysticism isnt that high, i guess you can try without HoF. Dunno, i always play with high mysticism so HoF is a given.

ps: i hope ur pre-proting your teammates in RA with Watchful, before door open I caught steady 60's pop up after the deep wound, and twin moons sweep + the burning is enough to even send Warriors kitting.

The build as a whole does not do as much raw damage as i thought it would....hence why I need to go back and tweak attribute points and such.

and yes I pre-prot before we go out, i appreciate the tip non the less.

Marverick

Marverick

Forge Runner

Join Date: Aug 2006

R/

Drop Earth Prayers and bump Mysticism to 11+1.
I'd put attributes at 11+1 Mysticism, 11+(1...3)+1 Scythe, 8 Fire

Heart of Fury
Mystic Sweep
Wounding Strike {e}
Burning Speed
Twin Moon Sweep
Chilling Victory
Mystic Vigor / Watchful Intervention
Res Signet

ArKaiN

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jan 2007

Lotus Branca[Lbr]

Mo/Me

Why are you using Wounding Strike instead of Avatar of Melandru+Wearying Strike? You're already burning yourself up.

Marverick

Marverick

Forge Runner

Join Date: Aug 2006

R/

I don't like Avatars; Melandru lasts 58 seconds at 12 Mysticism, which means for the next 62 seconds you cannot deep wound. It also kinda costs 25 energy....

WarKaster

WarKaster

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Dec 2006

Los Angeles

SlingBlades

D/Mo

@ Maverick

I'm trying to create a pressure build with some spike ability with the benefit of being able to keep a target on fire so long as they are dumb enough to go toe to toe with you. I'm pretty much trying to fill up both sides of the road which I know is not a good idea to even attempt some thing like this and 4 10 en skills would defiantly leave little room for spamming Myst. Sweep.

@ Arkain

Mystic Regen + Vital Boom + Burning Speed (which also counts as the 4 enchant) gives me the full benefit of the health regen cap. So even though I am self burning there is no damage from it.