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Can't Sell Squat!
Fitz Rinley
Bryant Again
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Yes, it would be nice to have an auction house. But we don't. Get over it.
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byteme!
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Just lower your prices and you'll be amazed at the interest, don't blame the trade system.
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KANE OG
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This is the only logical thing in this entire thread that makes any sense. All them greedy bastids trying to squeeze out every last penny will obviously have a longer/harder time selling things. Time is money. Can you imagine how much more gold/rares you can find in all the time people waste spamming WTS in-game? Even if you offer 5k less then what they ask for they'd rather sit there and spam WTS for hours and hours. Blows my mind.
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You simply cannot cut thru the spam, even in the trade channel.
Thanks to all for the suggestions, but I kind of figured the flame fests would start... and of course, I would respond accordingly and make it worse.
I vented. We've got three pages of posts. The devs will see it on the front page and ignore it.
My job here is done.
KANE
Skyy High
Stop trying to sell every bloody req9 gold for over 20k, and the "rare" skins for 60-100k. They're not worth that much anymore, and they will not be bought for those prices anymore. Guru is woefully optimistic on pricing; they post the prices you will sell at if you stand there for a long time spamming, and you find that guy looking to buy what you're selling. Much easier and faster is to advertise for cheap and pick up the browser who doesn't know what he wants and is just looking for good deals.
The only things really worth more than 100k anymore are req7 and 8 perfect Tyrian/Canthan weps, HoH drops, and the rarest minipets. Everything else will either not be sold, or bought by someone with too much gold and not enough brains.
The only things really worth more than 100k anymore are req7 and 8 perfect Tyrian/Canthan weps, HoH drops, and the rarest minipets. Everything else will either not be sold, or bought by someone with too much gold and not enough brains.
manitoba1073
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Stop trying to sell every bloody req9 gold for over 20k, and the "rare" skins for 60-100k. They're not worth that much anymore, and they will not be bought for those prices anymore. Guru is woefully optimistic on pricing; they post the prices you will sell at if you stand there for a long time spamming, and you find that guy looking to buy what you're selling. Much easier and faster is to advertise for cheap and pick up the browser who doesn't know what he wants and is just looking for good deals.
The only things really worth more than 100k anymore are req7 and 8 perfect Tyrian/Canthan weps, HoH drops, and the rarest minipets. Everything else will either not be sold, or bought by someone with too much gold and not enough brains. |
Clone
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A straw man argument is an informal fallacy based on misrepresentation of an opponent's position. To "set up a straw man" or "set up a straw-man argument" is to create a position that is easy to refute, then attribute that position to the opponent.
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YOU ARE ALL A BUNCH OF UNGRATEFUL CRYBABIES
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Frankly, I don't see any real reasons a decent auction house shouldn't be in the game from the perspective of players that are for or against it. I can point to requests for it as far back as the opening weeks of prophecies. And the opponents are, as in this thread, usually people trying to attack others, and not willing to discuss the merrits of the system.
Next, there's the technical aspects. For that, we've seen that a third party site such as this one can run a very successful site. But, as good as it is, it can be somewhat of a hassle simply because it isn't directly integrated with the guild wars client. It isn't handy to go take screenshots of all your items then upload them when you want to make a sale.
The only thing I think that would be keeping this option out is concerns of bandwith or storage space that such a system would bring. If it were easily accessable in game, I'm sure it would be much more heavily utilized than the auctions here on guru. But, as to how much, I'm not sure. I would love to hear a serious discussion of any technical roadblocks for such a feature, or even a simple discussion of why you haven't made this a priority...
pamelf
I like the new trade implementation they did with the party search. It's made it much easier for me. The fact is, you just need to be selling things that people want to buy, and you have to have patience. You can easily sell things to a merchant if you can't be bothered waiting.
Try advertising in your parties as well. Just make a quick mention that you have x-amount of whatever in your inventory when you set out, and tell them to PM you if interested. That way you've said it once, you might get lucky, you might not, but it's a quick and easy, stress-free way to advertise your wares.
It's worked for me, and as long as you dont' spam it people don't seem to mind.
You just need to be creative in the way you sell, then it becomes easier.
Try advertising in your parties as well. Just make a quick mention that you have x-amount of whatever in your inventory when you set out, and tell them to PM you if interested. That way you've said it once, you might get lucky, you might not, but it's a quick and easy, stress-free way to advertise your wares.
It's worked for me, and as long as you dont' spam it people don't seem to mind.You just need to be creative in the way you sell, then it becomes easier.
Noz Crow
The real reason that no one is buying anything, wait for it. Is because the common casual players like myself have no gold. I even started farming Urgoz, which i hate farming, just to try and make ends meet. When i would really like to be leveling and playing my new mesmer and necro toons.
kazjun
Yeah, it'd be nice to have an auction house. But some of the main problems are the sellers themselves.
First off, some of the stuff that people are trying to sell are just plain junk. Maybe the ones with inscriptions you can work with, but the old school stuff? Why even try selling that? Unless they're perfect, they're just a temp item. Unless you're going to sell them cheap, not many are going to pay top dollar for something that they're just going to throw away later. Especially since you can get greens cheap, with perfect enough stats for most players.
Second, there's some of the supposed top items. I still see plenty of people still trying to sell fellblades for 70-100k. Good for you. But who's going to buy? Fells have been around for ages, anyone who really wants one will have a couple of perfects already, and the ones who don't either don't know what one is or doesn't have the money for it. Same with a lot of the other top items. The ones who really want something, and are willing to pay top dollar for them, would have bought up already, almost as soon as they are found ingame. The rest either don't care, or are waiting for prices to go down. Expecting 100k+ from anything except some of the rarest minis or weapon skins (perfect mods or not) is just crazy. Or new items. You can still get the occasional buyer, but you'll be hanging onto items for months.
Fact is, most golds nowadays, are only good for wisdom titles. Nearly 95% of golds I find nowadays, I'll ID for my own title, then I'll salvage for mods and then sell to the merchant. And if they're likely to not have any useful mods, I'll just sell cheap for others wisdom titles. With the remaining 5% of golds I find, I can sell pretty easy since they're only the perfect stuff. I tend to only sell from 5-30k though, so they go pretty quick. Same with greens, sell at the lowest price range for the item rather than top dollar, and you'll sell faster than you can farm them. Sure, you may lose some money, but it's not like you make anything standing around for an hour going WTS...
First off, some of the stuff that people are trying to sell are just plain junk. Maybe the ones with inscriptions you can work with, but the old school stuff? Why even try selling that? Unless they're perfect, they're just a temp item. Unless you're going to sell them cheap, not many are going to pay top dollar for something that they're just going to throw away later. Especially since you can get greens cheap, with perfect enough stats for most players.
Second, there's some of the supposed top items. I still see plenty of people still trying to sell fellblades for 70-100k. Good for you. But who's going to buy? Fells have been around for ages, anyone who really wants one will have a couple of perfects already, and the ones who don't either don't know what one is or doesn't have the money for it. Same with a lot of the other top items. The ones who really want something, and are willing to pay top dollar for them, would have bought up already, almost as soon as they are found ingame. The rest either don't care, or are waiting for prices to go down. Expecting 100k+ from anything except some of the rarest minis or weapon skins (perfect mods or not) is just crazy. Or new items. You can still get the occasional buyer, but you'll be hanging onto items for months.
Fact is, most golds nowadays, are only good for wisdom titles. Nearly 95% of golds I find nowadays, I'll ID for my own title, then I'll salvage for mods and then sell to the merchant. And if they're likely to not have any useful mods, I'll just sell cheap for others wisdom titles. With the remaining 5% of golds I find, I can sell pretty easy since they're only the perfect stuff. I tend to only sell from 5-30k though, so they go pretty quick. Same with greens, sell at the lowest price range for the item rather than top dollar, and you'll sell faster than you can farm them. Sure, you may lose some money, but it's not like you make anything standing around for an hour going WTS...
IlikeGW
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Sure, you may lose some money, but it's not like you make anything standing around for an hour going WTS...
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Ensign
Human beings are very, very bad at adjusting to a deflating market.
Peace,
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Peace,
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mvrander
How many people are there on a typical WoW server? how many are there in the whole of guild wars? I'm fairly sure things could be unmanagable in a very short space of time if you tried to implement a game wide auction system in GW due to the one world structure.
The only parts of GW that are not instanced are whispers, guild chat and alliance chat. If you wanted to introduce a game wide auction house to all areas of the game the servers would probably die under the strain in seconds.
The only middle ground I can think of is to move the people wanting to buy and sell away from the people doing other things at the time. Maybe an Isle of trade or something like the great temple of balthazar but for trade, it would still be instanced but you could put NPCs in to add items to for other people to then view and offer on. Not a full blown game wide auction house but an attempt to improve things without haviing to completely restructure the way the game works.
The only parts of GW that are not instanced are whispers, guild chat and alliance chat. If you wanted to introduce a game wide auction house to all areas of the game the servers would probably die under the strain in seconds.
The only middle ground I can think of is to move the people wanting to buy and sell away from the people doing other things at the time. Maybe an Isle of trade or something like the great temple of balthazar but for trade, it would still be instanced but you could put NPCs in to add items to for other people to then view and offer on. Not a full blown game wide auction house but an attempt to improve things without haviing to completely restructure the way the game works.
Cass
A trade town would be nice, but the method of advertising needs to be adjusted. Spamming chat is bad. It would need a cross-district trade search like party search now, but with PLENTY of room to advertise your wares/needs. 31 chars is so lol.
Fact is, trade fails. You can't reach your potential buyers nor sellers. Whenever I need something I need to search high and low for it (and invariably wade past 'Guru+a good deal more' price offers), and when I want to sell I can't find a buyer (yes, at less than Guru prices).
Guru trade forum fails too, regrettably. I recently wanted to obtain a high-end skin item and despite 'winning' an auction thread twice (out of like 4), the seller then simply refused to sell it in-game. What's the point in having a thread going for days on end and ogling it continuously then?
I guess the good thing about it is that as it is, loot retains some interest, as I think that an effective trade system would make 99% of stuff in GW suddenly very common and affordable, perhaps too much so.
Fact is, trade fails. You can't reach your potential buyers nor sellers. Whenever I need something I need to search high and low for it (and invariably wade past 'Guru+a good deal more' price offers), and when I want to sell I can't find a buyer (yes, at less than Guru prices).
Guru trade forum fails too, regrettably. I recently wanted to obtain a high-end skin item and despite 'winning' an auction thread twice (out of like 4), the seller then simply refused to sell it in-game. What's the point in having a thread going for days on end and ogling it continuously then?
I guess the good thing about it is that as it is, loot retains some interest, as I think that an effective trade system would make 99% of stuff in GW suddenly very common and affordable, perhaps too much so.
SotiCoto
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So we've got "Hard Mode" and we Farmers are supposed to have some "advantage" here due to the loot scaling fiasco.
So is everyone else, according to anet. (Weee! More rares to the public!! Hint: They're not rare anymore) Rares (?) drop more, we're encouraged to sell to other players...riiiigghhhtt. Has anyone been able to cut through the spam in local or trade to actually sell any of these items that we're supposedly getting? Are we ever going to have ANY possibility of selling our items quickly and efficiently WITHOUT buying the next chapter, expansion, etc.? Yes, this is an "auction house" type thread (in the long run). But Jesus, how do you people expect us to sell ANYTHING!? KANE |
I mean surely you actually wanted the money FOR something..... it might even be something that may well be more farmable now... Lyssa forbid!
Remember kiddies: Money is a means to an end: to buy stuff you want to have. Collecting money for its own sake is retarded.
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The real reason that no one is buying anything, wait for it. Is because the common casual players like myself have no gold. I even started farming Urgoz, which i hate farming, just to try and make ends meet. When i would really like to be leveling and playing my new mesmer and necro toons.
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persistence and patience is key....for now
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(Weee! More rares to the public!! Hint: They're not rare anymore) Rares (?) drop more, we're encouraged to sell to other players...riiiigghhhtt.
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Look at the price of Superior Runes.
Today almost all Superior Runes sell for 25g.
Superior Soul Reaping (was 1k, is 25g), Superior Axe Mastery (was 1.5k, is 25g), Superior Expertise (was 100g is 25g). Superior Absorption (was 600g, is 200g) Superior Divine Favor (was 6k, is 300g) Superior Vigor (was 40k, is 14k).
Basically, all Superior Runes have fallen 60% to 90% in price now. This is entirely related to the new "gold drop/gold item drop" dynamic. I think that its fair to say that anything else affected by the loot scaling ought to also be worth 60% to 90% less.
Again, using the loot scaling example, this means that certain Runes (and by extension perfect golds) even though they are entirely useful and perfect (like the superior Axe mastery for example), are not sellable.
Applying a 60-90% price drop to items across the board... and that 5k green drop ought to be worth 500-2k in the new reality. At this point you wonder whether it is still profitable to try to sell the item.
KANE OG
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So what... precisely.... did you want to buy with the money you made from selling farmed stuff?
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Games are meant to be fun. I have fun helping her buy new expensive armor once a month, even if it's for a character she doesn't play very often.
I finally grab that sweet Zodiac Sword/Shield combo I've been looking for, and I buy a set of armor to match. Maybe that worthless minipet that no one wants will fill out my collection.
All of this requires funds, so I try and sell a few choice items now and then. That's all.
KANE
Sir Skullcrasher
I knew some of my alliance members sell things for cheap or even merchant it or salvage it. They don't want to be bothered by going to spam-filled LA or Drok to do sales!
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The idea is that if it's taking you too long to sell something and you aren't able to get more stuff because you're stuck selling, your prices are too high. Now is the winter of your discount tent.
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RYCHER969
Farming is easy..selling is hard..oh well. Been that way forever..welcome to GW. I am lvl 5 treasure hunter and lockpicks aint cheap BUT..steady all...you CAN sell in game. As stated, you are not getting 80k for the "perfect" req 9's anymore. Take 20-30k ..buy 20 picks and move on. Used to be skin + stats= value. But now that u can mod everything its just skins. Is sellin torture..sure. But its all part o the game. If u want money its not good enuff to become a good farmer..u had better learn to be a good seller as well. I sell in game, rarely on guru and jumped 200k in 4 days. Not a single sale was over 40k ( my ONLY char is a mesmer..so very little soloing and no chest runnin). Lots of wts..I am guessing SOMEONE is buying SOME of it.
If you pay 1.5 for a pick and sell the item for 3k you have doubled your money..hint hint ;}~
Adapt and overcome.
If you pay 1.5 for a pick and sell the item for 3k you have doubled your money..hint hint ;}~
Adapt and overcome.
Guildmaster Cain
Try to find a RARE Max Damage Tribal Axe with inscription slot. Some people argue they drop, some say they dont. Anyhoe, anything near perfect will still sell like millions, since they are so very rare, even in HM.
And if you are trying to sell stuff, but dont want to spend hours of spamming in the game, just put it on Guru Auctions in 5 minutes time.
And if you are trying to sell stuff, but dont want to spend hours of spamming in the game, just put it on Guru Auctions in 5 minutes time.
Malice Black
Selling in LA/Droks means you fail. Spamming means you fail.
You have a friends list, learn how to use that to your advantage. There is the merchant, he buys anything above req10 for gold
Non-max mods are worthless. Even most max mods are not worth selling (+30hp staff head anyone? no I thought not, easy sell 2-3k)
Anything with an extremely common skin should be sold for 1-5k..no matter what req it is (easy money)
Some of you are still living in 2005, that era is done. The poor stay poor and the rich just continue laughing.
You have a friends list, learn how to use that to your advantage. There is the merchant, he buys anything above req10 for gold
Non-max mods are worthless. Even most max mods are not worth selling (+30hp staff head anyone? no I thought not, easy sell 2-3k)
Anything with an extremely common skin should be sold for 1-5k..no matter what req it is (easy money)
Some of you are still living in 2005, that era is done. The poor stay poor and the rich just continue laughing.
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Selling in LA/Droks means you fail. Spamming means you fail.
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Malice Black
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Right, so the trading system fails, like we've stated.
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In short, selling is fine, the sellers just suck at it. Blunt but true.
KANE OG
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In short, selling is fine, the sellers just suck at it. Blunt but true.
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Orphan Anthem
IMO your just loking for something to whine about. Everything is worth less right? well basicly so you need less gold to get ANYTHING. Back when america was growing 5 cents was worth like a dollar. well this is jsut the reverse. now 1k = 2k get over it
Malice Black
Farming for cash has always sucked IMO
What are you trying to sell/price range?
What are you trying to sell/price range?
Clone
In other words we should be establishing a list of clients, going to third party sites to research, and apply economic theory. Is this a video game or a part time job? Don't get me wrong, I have an appreciation for anyone who's read through Adam Smith's The Wealth of Nations. But, at some point, you have we have to take a step back and say, "This is a videogame." Macroeconomic theory and client relations are all good to have. I just don't think they should be a prerequisite for playing a video game. Yes, the system works fine if you've got 45 minutes to sit around looking up prices and spamming your goods. But, I don't play this game like a job. I may have only an hour to play. I don't want to spend over half of that selling loot. When even free games like Silkroad have better options for people trying to sell things, Anet is doing itself a disservice by not updating the dinosaur it has in the trade chat.
cebalrai
I've spent the last year being a merchant on GW as my primary and preferred style of play. I have had the most fun being a trader in rare items. Buy low, sell high, and chest run. Because of the changes, I've pretty much quit playing GW.
It's not that it's impossible to sell things. As an experienced merchant, I'm pretty good at it and I have a network of collectors who will buy rare items from me. It's not that prices have plummeted, as rares aren't really rare anymore.
It's that merchanting takes three times as long to do what I used to do. It's a total drag. My network of collectors is useless now since everyone has everything they want. And it's much, much less rewarding from a price perspective. Not only does it take three times as long as it used to to sell an item, but the item is only selling for half of what it did before the update.
Merchanting in this game is a grind beyond anything that WoW contains. It's just poor, poor game design. And Anet's notion of making the game more geared to merchanting while not enhancing the already insufficient methods for doing so, is just awful. Stupid even.
So I play WoW with 90% of my time now, and 10% on GW just for the occasional AB or RA. Never thought I'd say this, but WoW has less grind than GW for my playing style.
It's not that it's impossible to sell things. As an experienced merchant, I'm pretty good at it and I have a network of collectors who will buy rare items from me. It's not that prices have plummeted, as rares aren't really rare anymore.
It's that merchanting takes three times as long to do what I used to do. It's a total drag. My network of collectors is useless now since everyone has everything they want. And it's much, much less rewarding from a price perspective. Not only does it take three times as long as it used to to sell an item, but the item is only selling for half of what it did before the update.
Merchanting in this game is a grind beyond anything that WoW contains. It's just poor, poor game design. And Anet's notion of making the game more geared to merchanting while not enhancing the already insufficient methods for doing so, is just awful. Stupid even.
So I play WoW with 90% of my time now, and 10% on GW just for the occasional AB or RA. Never thought I'd say this, but WoW has less grind than GW for my playing style.
frickett
wtb auction house!
Seriously, I can understand why people dont want to stand around saying hey, who wants to buy this, instead of playing the game...I wish there was a more streamlined way to sell off the more valuable stuff.
Seriously, I can understand why people dont want to stand around saying hey, who wants to buy this, instead of playing the game...I wish there was a more streamlined way to sell off the more valuable stuff.
KANE OG
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IMO your just loking for something to whine about. Everything is worth less right? well basicly so you need less gold to get ANYTHING. Back when america was growing 5 cents was worth like a dollar. well this is jsut the reverse. now 1k = 2k get over it
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cebalrai
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No, the trading system is fine as long as you realize that the 2005 era has come and gone. I had no trouble selling anything. It's all about who you know, who you should be selling, knowing prices, when to drop them, what is worth selling, what should be merched (yes you might have to merch golds!! oh no!!)
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In other words we should be establishing a list of clients, going to third party sites to research, and apply economic theory. Is this a video game or a part time job? Don't get me wrong, I have an appreciation for anyone who's read through Adam Smith's The Wealth of Nations. But, at some point, you have we have to take a step back and say, "This is a videogame." Macroeconomic theory and client relations are all good to have. I just don't think they should be a prerequisite for playing a video game. Yes, the system works fine if you've got 45 minutes to sit around looking up prices and spamming your goods. But, I don't play this game like a job. I may have only an hour to play. I don't want to spend over half of that selling loot. When even free games like Silkroad have better options for people trying to sell things, Anet is doing itself a disservice by not updating the dinosaur it has in the trade chat.
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I know this isn't everyones way of playing but if you really want to sell on the crowded market of today then you need to go alter your perspective slightly, otherwise you will be merching a lot of stuff.
Greed is most peoples downfall. They think just because someone got 100+100e or something that they should waste 3 weeks trying to get that price for it as well. Sell fast and move on, nothing is rare anymore (except no-negs and old skool crystallines).
Vahn Roi
Oh no, the weapons market is deflating *GASP*
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Sell fast and move on.
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I personally don't have anything to sell in my inventory. Every time something drops, I ask myself "can I get more than 5K for the item in less than 5 minutes?"
If the answer is "no", I merchant it. I can't remember the last time I expert salvaged a prefix/suffix/inscription that I didn't use...they just aren't worth it, except for a select rare few.
Remember - everything is worth something. But your time is generally worth more.
english storm
if i can't get more then 10k for the rare it gets given away, a quick and simple fix with the possibility of helping some one else out
Still a better way to trade would be nice, has anyone tried to sell any non perfect upgrades? No body wants to buy any, even if you ask for 100g lol An upgrade merchant would be a great start.
Still a better way to trade would be nice, has anyone tried to sell any non perfect upgrades? No body wants to buy any, even if you ask for 100g lol An upgrade merchant would be a great start.
EternalTempest
Due to the rift between the "traders" in the know, vs casual player and lack of trade house/auction house giving traders $$$ advantage at lack of causal players knowledge of the value of things causes me to not even bother with the WTS / WTB at all. If I want something specific, I use guru auction.
I have nothing against WTS/WTB, I use green's as well as npc collector weapons for the majority of my stuff. It's they way I play and the way GW is currently set up I don't bother and frequently have all except Guild and Team chat turned off.
I have nothing against WTS/WTB, I use green's as well as npc collector weapons for the majority of my stuff. It's they way I play and the way GW is currently set up I don't bother and frequently have all except Guild and Team chat turned off.
Mike_version2
Did you ever think that....
Be patient and persistent (I know I said this before). Move to different places if you're having no luck, check you're prices too see if there too high etc etc.
Be patient and persistent (I know I said this before). Move to different places if you're having no luck, check you're prices too see if there too high etc etc.