I don't know about you guys, but I think the price of tomes is getting out of hand. I was talking with some alliance mates earlier and we thought that around 5K or so for an elite tome would be a fair price. As it stands, in town 10-15K is what most people want for one. IMO this means that right now the supply of them is smaller than what it needs to be.
So I'd like to ask anet if they could give the rate that bosses drop tomes a nice buff.
Increase Tome Drop Rate
Winterclaw
Master Ketsu
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Increasing the drop rate of tomes will decrease the size of the E-penis earned by those who have gained the skill hunter title. Their elitist status is clearly more important then the majority of the GW community which has no problems with tomes.
on a more serious note. /signed.
Increasing the drop rate of tomes will decrease the size of the E-penis earned by those who have gained the skill hunter title. Their elitist status is clearly more important then the majority of the GW community which has no problems with tomes.
on a more serious note. /signed.
JeniM
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Since hard mode came out i have had 4 Tomes (non elite) and I hm quite often.
I have a question though
Why did someone by a non-elite elementalist Tome for 2k? I CLEARLY advertised as not elite and they still offered 2k?
Since hard mode came out i have had 4 Tomes (non elite) and I hm quite often.
I have a question though
Why did someone by a non-elite elementalist Tome for 2k? I CLEARLY advertised as not elite and they still offered 2k?
Sidheyuna Aetheris
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I love tomes. I want more. I've got Legendary Skill Hunter...don't want to have my other chars running all around to get stuff and taking forever to get the really cool skills, and I really don't want to have to buy them.
I love tomes. I want more. I've got Legendary Skill Hunter...don't want to have my other chars running all around to get stuff and taking forever to get the really cool skills, and I really don't want to have to buy them.
Every time i lag
/signed
then i dont need to go to end factions for glyph of renewal lol
then i dont need to go to end factions for glyph of renewal lol
Amon Warrior
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Just wait for a triple Tome drop rate weekend event!
I find that because they're not so easy to get, makes them very enjoyable when you're actually able to retrieve one.
And let's not forget that you don't need to waste any skill points when you use a tome. You get too many of those and the whole game balance goes down the drain.
You can always get your skills the old-fashioned way...
Just wait for a triple Tome drop rate weekend event!
I find that because they're not so easy to get, makes them very enjoyable when you're actually able to retrieve one.
And let's not forget that you don't need to waste any skill points when you use a tome. You get too many of those and the whole game balance goes down the drain.
You can always get your skills the old-fashioned way...
vergerefosh
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Get some people trying to sell non-elites for over 1k, which is getting ridiculous, as it's not really worth it, and despite people saying the hype would die down with elite tomes and they'd stop trying to sell really high never happened. Sure, no longer at 50k or whatever, but still a lot of people trying for 10-20
Or as an alternative, Tome Trader, or add buying/selling tomes to one of the current traders
Get some people trying to sell non-elites for over 1k, which is getting ridiculous, as it's not really worth it, and despite people saying the hype would die down with elite tomes and they'd stop trying to sell really high never happened. Sure, no longer at 50k or whatever, but still a lot of people trying for 10-20
Or as an alternative, Tome Trader, or add buying/selling tomes to one of the current traders
ClanYumemiru
/notsigned, because Tomes are exempt from loot scaling.
But I agree that a Tome Trader would be a great idea!
But I agree that a Tome Trader would be a great idea!
Crimso
I think tomes should be able to be sold and bought at the rare scroll trader so they get easier to get(rarther then typing WTS or WTB over and over) one you want.
MithranArkanere
I captured all elites with one character.
Now, anytime I want an Elite for other, I just solo a certain boss until I get a Tome.
I found that you need to kill a boss around 50 times so it drops a tome.
I do that because I hate having to go to an outpost and wait ntil someone with the tome and a fair price comes up (no more than 10k, I mean)
So the already suggested some week ago 'Tome trader' should be much more than enough.
Now, anytime I want an Elite for other, I just solo a certain boss until I get a Tome.
I found that you need to kill a boss around 50 times so it drops a tome.
I do that because I hate having to go to an outpost and wait ntil someone with the tome and a fair price comes up (no more than 10k, I mean)
So the already suggested some week ago 'Tome trader' should be much more than enough.
Winterclaw
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holababe
I just got 2 normal necro tomes in about 15 minutes.
Drop rate seems fine to me :P
Drop rate seems fine to me :P
RSGashapon
Tomes, elite or otherwise, should never be sold for anything more than 1k.
Think about it, they're only an alternative for the "gold and a skill point" combo we already use, right? The added feature of basically copying an already existing, account-available skill to a specific character is just that, an added feature.
Everyone has tons of skill points and if everyone has the money to buy tomes at anything higher than 1k, then they should just buy the skills or a cap sig at a skill trainer! Any price past that much makes them pointless.
Think about it, they're only an alternative for the "gold and a skill point" combo we already use, right? The added feature of basically copying an already existing, account-available skill to a specific character is just that, an added feature.
Everyone has tons of skill points and if everyone has the money to buy tomes at anything higher than 1k, then they should just buy the skills or a cap sig at a skill trainer! Any price past that much makes them pointless.
Hikan Trilear
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Tomes, elite or otherwise, should never be sold for anything more than 1k.
Think about it, they're only an alternative for the "gold and a skill point" combo we already use, right? The added feature of basically copying an already existing, account-available skill to a specific character is just that, an added feature. Everyone has tons of skill points and if everyone has the money to buy tomes at anything higher than 1k, then they should just buy the skills or a cap sig at a skill trainer! Any price past that much makes them pointless. |
The reason for this is if you already have a skill unlocked on your account and buying a tome costs 1k and buying a skill at a trainer costs 1k+skill point then the choice is obvious...
And buying a capture signet is the easy part of getting an elite skill. The only time I bought an elite tome was for gladiator's defense, one of the most annoying warrior skills to capture. For skills like these it's way easier, in my opinion, to use an elite tome. Also what if you want an end-game elite and the character you want it on hasn't even started that campaign? the extra 4k is well worth it.
Curse You
I've soloed (that's a word?) the same boss so many times, I think I've made over 15k from just the crappy drops I get. Yet, I have only ever gotten 2 elite tomes. The first one dropped after something like 15 runs, the next after 30. Now, something like 50+ runs later, not a single tome (elite or otherwise) has dropped.
This tells me one of two things: Tome drop rates are way too low or the anti-farming code (or something like it) is actually in effect.
Either way, I want tomes to be more common, because right now, it's ridiculous.
This tells me one of two things: Tome drop rates are way too low or the anti-farming code (or something like it) is actually in effect.
Either way, I want tomes to be more common, because right now, it's ridiculous.
Faer
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Now, those things aside, I have a storage filling up with Normal and Elite Skill Tomes (though not exactly the types I would like to have, but that's life), and I hardly play Guild Wars anymore. So, therefore, based on my own experience, I will state that I do not see a need for the drop rates of either type of Skill Tome to be raised. The Skill Tomes are a convenience, and they should stay that way, in my opinion. Making them any easier to get, or cheaper to obtain, would be a joke.
Master Ketsu
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Curse You
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Now, those things aside, I have a storage filling up with Normal and Elite Skill Tomes (though not exactly the types I would like to have, but that's life), and I hardly play Guild Wars anymore. So, therefore, based on my own experience, I will state that I do not see a need for the drop rates of either type of Skill Tome to be raised. The Skill Tomes are a convenience, and they should stay that way, in my opinion. Making them any easier to get, or cheaper to obtain, would be a joke.
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If tomes were being sold for 4k - 6k, then I wouldn't have a problem. The price of Elite Tomes appears to have stopped moving, but it's at 10k - 20k. Unlike greens, which simply increase in number the more you farm, Elite Tomes get used, and so the number in circulation can remain constant. Because of that, the tomes are unlikely to go down in price much more, unless an "outside" force intervenes (i.e. Arena Net).
HawkofStorms
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If regular tomes and elite tomes droped TOO often, then their would be no reason to buy skills from the trainer at all. Tomes should be an optional thing to help a player out, not completely outstrip an old "tried and true" game mechanic (which also happens to be one of the few good money sinks in the game to lower inflation). I think a.net has the drop rate just about right right now (rare enough that the market isn't flooded with them, but common enough that elite ones don't cost 100k+ectos).
If regular tomes and elite tomes droped TOO often, then their would be no reason to buy skills from the trainer at all. Tomes should be an optional thing to help a player out, not completely outstrip an old "tried and true" game mechanic (which also happens to be one of the few good money sinks in the game to lower inflation). I think a.net has the drop rate just about right right now (rare enough that the market isn't flooded with them, but common enough that elite ones don't cost 100k+ectos).
legion_rat
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I have yet to get an elite tome. several normal ones but not one elite. Yes I am bitching and being selfish, but that is the kind of person i am so deal with it. I have an easier time capturing the skills then getting the tomes.
a tome trader would be a nice addition.
~the rat~
I have yet to get an elite tome. several normal ones but not one elite. Yes I am bitching and being selfish, but that is the kind of person i am so deal with it. I have an easier time capturing the skills then getting the tomes.
a tome trader would be a nice addition.
~the rat~
Eldin
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I got a ranger tome to drop for me, and an elite mesmer one. That's it. I've only witnessed tomes drop for others about 3 times (and FYI I do very little HM, but that still seems like too little for someone doing all the Ascalon missions a few times).
The elite tomes should either only drop a LITTLE more often, or be left alone. Admittedly they have extreme value (like if you want to cap an impossible-to-cap-elite that took a character a week to capture, and don't want to do it again for another character). Normal skill tomes should drop more often, so HM's rewards seem a bit more apparent and cut down on all those platinums spent at the skill trader. (I envy those who DIDN'T end up buying a ton of skills on their main early in the game and now have to cope with 1k for skills they will actually use)
I got a ranger tome to drop for me, and an elite mesmer one. That's it. I've only witnessed tomes drop for others about 3 times (and FYI I do very little HM, but that still seems like too little for someone doing all the Ascalon missions a few times).
The elite tomes should either only drop a LITTLE more often, or be left alone. Admittedly they have extreme value (like if you want to cap an impossible-to-cap-elite that took a character a week to capture, and don't want to do it again for another character). Normal skill tomes should drop more often, so HM's rewards seem a bit more apparent and cut down on all those platinums spent at the skill trader. (I envy those who DIDN'T end up buying a ton of skills on their main early in the game and now have to cope with 1k for skills they will actually use)
brian78wa
This is one update I hope we NEVER see. I get way too many tomes as it is. I wouldnt mind an Elite Tome increase but reduce the non elites.
Div
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Then tome farmers will be easily getting 4 max skill hunter titles, without having to hunt a single skill!
Then tome farmers will be easily getting 4 max skill hunter titles, without having to hunt a single skill!
freekedoutfish
In the 3-4+ weeks since HM was introduced, I have picked up...
4 normal warrior tomes,
1 elite ele tome,
1 normal elite ele tome,
1 elite assassin tome,
1 normal monk tome,
1 elite monk tome,
...im sure I have around 2 more, but I cant remember what they are. That is in just 3 or 4 weeks. And you think the drop rate is bad?
I would have to disagree!
4 normal warrior tomes,
1 elite ele tome,
1 normal elite ele tome,
1 elite assassin tome,
1 normal monk tome,
1 elite monk tome,
...im sure I have around 2 more, but I cant remember what they are. That is in just 3 or 4 weeks. And you think the drop rate is bad?
I would have to disagree!
Mindtrust
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From a few chests (40-50) and normal killing i got 4-5 elite tomes (all from chests) and +20 normal tomes from random killing. So the drop rate is quite fine, everyone wants everything to be so easy.
But adding a tometrader could be nice! (maybe just add it to the runetrader)
Ps!
I bet you will see a tripple tome weekend event soon.
From a few chests (40-50) and normal killing i got 4-5 elite tomes (all from chests) and +20 normal tomes from random killing. So the drop rate is quite fine, everyone wants everything to be so easy.
But adding a tometrader could be nice! (maybe just add it to the runetrader)
Ps!
I bet you will see a tripple tome weekend event soon.
glountz
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Doing HM for some weeks with my guildies, elite tomes are raining.
In addition, the prices are fair.
Why? Because tomes allow you to save what is the most precious feature in GW: time.
You will be able to get an Elite without spending 2 weeks to get a PVE character through a long campaign (for example, Xinrae's weapon).
Time is money, and in these particular cases, this is a lot of time gained, so it costs a lot.
Doing HM for some weeks with my guildies, elite tomes are raining.
In addition, the prices are fair.
Why? Because tomes allow you to save what is the most precious feature in GW: time.
You will be able to get an Elite without spending 2 weeks to get a PVE character through a long campaign (for example, Xinrae's weapon).
Time is money, and in these particular cases, this is a lot of time gained, so it costs a lot.
Etta
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I was gonna say yes but then realized that I have 15 warr tomes, 10 ele, 8necro and a mix bag between ranger & monk and a hand full of elite tomes. The drop rate is ok as it is and I'm not selling any of them. I'm keeping them for the rainny day.
I was gonna say yes but then realized that I have 15 warr tomes, 10 ele, 8necro and a mix bag between ranger & monk and a hand full of elite tomes. The drop rate is ok as it is and I'm not selling any of them. I'm keeping them for the rainny day.
My Green Storage
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In addition, the prices are fair.
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And so what about having to solo a boss X amount of times. Solo farmers don't care. They're doing it anyway.
Anyway you can get lucky. Someone brought up about soloing Ritual Lord in HM. I grabbed my necro for the hell of it, ran it once. Elite Ritual Tome drops first and only run.
And how long have tomes been out? 1 month?
They're still a new thing of course the prices will eventually fall.
Check back with me in 1 month.
Think about this. If you're talking about drops during vanquishing .... you AREN'T exactly going for the boss(es) with the intent of getting tomes.
So I don't get why someone who is complaining about playing the game and not specifically going for tomes is wanting the drops to increase. You're playing anyway.
IF you are talking about soloing bosses, as I said above, solo farmers are still going to solo.
You think Chest Runners and solo boss farmers really care about drop rates?
Chest runners will run.
Solo farmers will solo.
So hell no they don't need to increase drop rates.
As mentioned, it's all about time and convience.
Eroth
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BUT ANYWAY, I agree. I was trying to buy an Elite Rit Tome for 6k+a Ssaki's Sword (still looking for the tome) and I argued for an hour with 7 different people. 1 said 12k, another said 18k (he I soon killed in the GH) and the last said 4k. I tried to buy it from the last one but he said he was jk ='s
I think that Anet either needs to increase the drop by like 15-20% and/or put in a tome trader.
oh and my entier HM career I've only gotten an elite monk and an elite mesmer tome. thats it. No non-elites, no elites..just...2...I think thats a tad bit slow since I've started soloing tons of places for about 2 weeks from 7pm-1am est.
BUT ANYWAY, I agree. I was trying to buy an Elite Rit Tome for 6k+a Ssaki's Sword (still looking for the tome) and I argued for an hour with 7 different people. 1 said 12k, another said 18k (he I soon killed in the GH) and the last said 4k. I tried to buy it from the last one but he said he was jk ='s
I think that Anet either needs to increase the drop by like 15-20% and/or put in a tome trader.
oh and my entier HM career I've only gotten an elite monk and an elite mesmer tome. thats it. No non-elites, no elites..just...2...I think thats a tad bit slow since I've started soloing tons of places for about 2 weeks from 7pm-1am est.
freekedoutfish
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BUT ANYWAY, I agree. I was trying to buy an Elite Rit Tome for 6k+a Ssaki's Sword (still looking for the tome) and I argued for an hour with 7 different people. 1 said 12k, another said 18k (he I soon killed in the GH) and the last said 4k. I tried to buy it from the last one but he said he was jk ='s I think that Anet either needs to increase the drop by like 15-20% and/or put in a tome trader. oh and my entier HM career I've only gotten an elite monk and an elite mesmer tome. thats it. No non-elites, no elites..just...2...I think thats a tad bit slow since I've started soloing tons of places for about 2 weeks from 7pm-1am est. |
Elite tomes are stupidly priced because people are willing to pay those prices, instead of getting off their arse and hunting down the boss instead. If you dont like the price of elite tomes, then go get the skill the old fashioned (cheaper) way and stop being lazey!
It would have cost you a grand total of 1-2k and a skill point, which are easy to come by now with 50% increased experience.
And just because you have had a low tome drop rate, that means the entire % drop rate should be increased? I've had more elite tome drops by the sounds of it in just 3-4 weeks of doing HM, and I dont even want the dang things.
Some people are luckier then others! Get used to it.
Mylon
Drop rates definitely need to be fixed. Boss monsters are already rare (roughly 6 per 200 monsters?), and their drops are typically split across a party of 8. Just think, if one tome drops for every 30 bosses killed, and there's 6 per area, you would have to vanquish about 40 8-man areas to get a single elite tome.
Ozric
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Drop rate is fine. I'm seeing these Elite tomes drop from bosses as well as chests. Makes for a good time to go WTS in town. Yesterday, a single Locked chest dropped two Elite Warr Tomes for me (bug: that was a full pug vanquishing group in the Falls, the last member of the group to use the chest couldn't open it, apparently as 6 items had already come out of the chest). At the beginning of the weekend, I sold 7 Elite tomes, throwing in matching reg. tomes to make the sale. By the end of this weekend, I've come across 4 more, and I haven't been farming very heavily either, doing more missions, pvp and such.
For me, these Elite tomes are about the only thing I'm seeing drop regularly that can come close to financing my Lockpick purchases. If the droprate is increased, then a trader will have to be added or we'll be having to bin them as the value will go the way of most of the runes in the game (thanks to the Rune trader).
Drop rate is fine. I'm seeing these Elite tomes drop from bosses as well as chests. Makes for a good time to go WTS in town. Yesterday, a single Locked chest dropped two Elite Warr Tomes for me (bug: that was a full pug vanquishing group in the Falls, the last member of the group to use the chest couldn't open it, apparently as 6 items had already come out of the chest). At the beginning of the weekend, I sold 7 Elite tomes, throwing in matching reg. tomes to make the sale. By the end of this weekend, I've come across 4 more, and I haven't been farming very heavily either, doing more missions, pvp and such.
For me, these Elite tomes are about the only thing I'm seeing drop regularly that can come close to financing my Lockpick purchases. If the droprate is increased, then a trader will have to be added or we'll be having to bin them as the value will go the way of most of the runes in the game (thanks to the Rune trader).
Winterclaw
So the sides seem to be split between the people that do HM so much they are getting more tomes than they know what to do with (I mean why are you guys letting them fill up your inventory, use them already), and people that do some HM but aren't as lucky or aren't in the right areas. The funny thing is, the people complaining about having too many would have more inventory space if they just sold off some of their stock at a reasonable price.
Anyways, the guy who said that these things are consumable, hit the nail right on the head. It isn't like these items are staying in the economy after someone buys and uses them, as it would be for greens and rares. Yet these items have a drop rate comparable to greens and rares. Imagine the costs of greens if they broke (were deleted) every time you unequiped them or switched to a different weapon set.
Anyways, the guy who said that these things are consumable, hit the nail right on the head. It isn't like these items are staying in the economy after someone buys and uses them, as it would be for greens and rares. Yet these items have a drop rate comparable to greens and rares. Imagine the costs of greens if they broke (were deleted) every time you unequiped them or switched to a different weapon set.
Sun Fired Blank
I gander the drop rate isn't bad. I just vanquished two areas (heroes + henchmen) in hard mode (Old Ascalon, Perdition Rock) and blew five lockpicks. I ended up with quite a few golds and purples, a ranger tome (from a creature), a monk tome (from a chest) and an elite necromancer tome (from a boss). That's not a drop rate that I care to argue with. Unfortunately, of the golds and purples, I only managed to salvage two decent mods: a perfect hammer grip of fortitude and a perfect bow grip of defense.
tyche7
/signed big time
KiyaKoreena
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If you dont want to pay what the community currently has them at then go out and cap the skill for 1k max. If you want to pay less then the current market price is at but dont want to go capping again then have a seperate trade rate within your alliance.
If the market price right now was 4-6k people would be complaining because they aren't at 2k. Tomes are for a convenience factor, you pay for convenience.
If you dont want to pay what the community currently has them at then go out and cap the skill for 1k max. If you want to pay less then the current market price is at but dont want to go capping again then have a seperate trade rate within your alliance.
If the market price right now was 4-6k people would be complaining because they aren't at 2k. Tomes are for a convenience factor, you pay for convenience.