Seeing as LA, Kaineng and Kamadan are trading hubs in the GW world (yes I know there are others too), why not recognize certain towns on the 3 continents as places where you can find PUGS to go on hunting / vanquishing adventures in Hard Mode.
I have tried outpost spamming "LFP to Vanquish any area", alas, on lower level areas (like Shing Jea) ppl don't PUG to vanquish. They're either dancing, begging for money, selling stuff, or trying to figure out how to dance
Any ideas which towns (and districts) would be host to setting off on such an adventure? Bearing in mind that the max party size in some of the areas are 4/6.
It's either this, finding people on forums, or wait for a continent wide party search feature. Or heroes and henchies...but they're just stupid as hell. And doing it with AI is really boring imo. (I've vanquished most of Shing Jea Island, 2 areas in Istan and 8 in prophecies including Snake Dance with an AI team. It was fun, because of it being Hard Mode and quite a challenge, but not as fun as it could have been with real~live~humanbeing~homosapien~people)
PUGSville
SuperDave
Water Angel
would be hard definit such spots.
as areas to ba vanquished cover all map chose a particular place or few for all areas would be pointless and hard
but maybe make a thread especially for people lookin for vanquisher title would be good idea if it no exist yet.so can easier way organise human groups for x or y area.
but ya..good luck on that...if you read my thread from few days u would notice people here are ai lovers and have no human relations at all...
but good luck.
as areas to ba vanquished cover all map chose a particular place or few for all areas would be pointless and hard
but maybe make a thread especially for people lookin for vanquisher title would be good idea if it no exist yet.so can easier way organise human groups for x or y area.
but ya..good luck on that...if you read my thread from few days u would notice people here are ai lovers and have no human relations at all...
but good luck.
cthulhu reborn
I think the idea is not entirely realistic. Trading is something most people are interested in, even if it's just to see what's on sale and for what price.
Pugs..well imagine a location where people are advertising for 58 different missions and who knows how many quests and vanquishing and lb farming...etc etc etc....
And I think there are not that many people looking for Pugs...my advice is to find yourself an active PvE guild with a good amount of members. That way you can go out with real players and have fun and not get stuck with noobs and/or idiots 9 out of 10 times....
Pugs..well imagine a location where people are advertising for 58 different missions and who knows how many quests and vanquishing and lb farming...etc etc etc....
And I think there are not that many people looking for Pugs...my advice is to find yourself an active PvE guild with a good amount of members. That way you can go out with real players and have fun and not get stuck with noobs and/or idiots 9 out of 10 times....
SuperDave
Finding PUG's for missions is pretty easy, even finding ppl to do mission in Hard Mode imo is rather straight forward (apart from a select few missions).. It's the vanquishing PUGS that don't seem to exist.
So what this idea proposes is: Ppl who want to find groups to go vanquish with go to an outpost like Maatu Keep Int D1 for example and be able to find a PUG to vanquish any area in Cantha. You can sorta decide where to vanquish once you're in the group.
I know there are threads to join ppl to vanquish, but what about in game? This is specifically aimed at Hard Mode vanquising..not missions, farming etc.
I don't mind getting stuck with noobs. Getting stuck with stuck-up elitists is less desirable. I kinda enjoy the randomness of a PUG. If I wanted to play with "noobs" that are boring, don't say anything, and don't play that well, I'd just take Alesia (no offence meant to Alesia fans...I know you're out there)
@Water Angel....I did read your thread.. My comment: I choose to play a MMORPG to play with ppl, and to defeat AI, not the other way around
So what this idea proposes is: Ppl who want to find groups to go vanquish with go to an outpost like Maatu Keep Int D1 for example and be able to find a PUG to vanquish any area in Cantha. You can sorta decide where to vanquish once you're in the group.
I know there are threads to join ppl to vanquish, but what about in game? This is specifically aimed at Hard Mode vanquising..not missions, farming etc.
I don't mind getting stuck with noobs. Getting stuck with stuck-up elitists is less desirable. I kinda enjoy the randomness of a PUG. If I wanted to play with "noobs" that are boring, don't say anything, and don't play that well, I'd just take Alesia (no offence meant to Alesia fans...I know you're out there)
@Water Angel....I did read your thread.. My comment: I choose to play a MMORPG to play with ppl, and to defeat AI, not the other way around
masta46
i agree with you about the randomness of pugs. it's what makes the game fun and different, even if it can be frustrating at times. all those people on this forum that play by themselves, refuse to let people join, and then come here to bash water angels thread, it's sad because they are probably like that in real life too.
hopefully anet decides to help out the PUGs and create the global party search. it would be easy to do, and it would make playing the game that much more fun. i dont know about you, but I get tired of owning everything with my SF/MM heroes. real challenges with real people ftw.
hopefully anet decides to help out the PUGs and create the global party search. it would be easy to do, and it would make playing the game that much more fun. i dont know about you, but I get tired of owning everything with my SF/MM heroes. real challenges with real people ftw.
kumarshah
Party Search would be area wide.
Istan
Kourna
Vabbi
Desolation
Torment
etc
Istan
Kourna
Vabbi
Desolation
Torment
etc
HawkofStorms
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Finding PUG's for missions is pretty easy, even finding ppl to do mission in Hard Mode imo is rather straight forward (apart from a select few missions).. It's the vanquishing PUGS that don't seem to exist.
So what this idea proposes is: Ppl who want to find groups to go vanquish with go to an outpost like Maatu Keep Int D1 for example and be able to find a PUG to vanquish any area in Cantha. You can sorta decide where to vanquish once you're in the group. I know there are threads to join ppl to vanquish, but what about in game? This is specifically aimed at Hard Mode vanquising..not missions, farming etc. I don't mind getting stuck with noobs. Getting stuck with stuck-up elitists is less desirable. I kinda enjoy the randomness of a PUG. If I wanted to play with "noobs" that are boring, don't say anything, and don't play that well, I'd just take Alesia (no offence meant to Alesia fans...I know you're out there) @Water Angel....I did read your thread.. My comment: I choose to play a MMORPG to play with ppl, and to defeat AI, not the other way around |
HM missions and quests can take like a hour. Vanquishing many areas takes 3 hours plus. Thus, you'll be less likely to see people in town and they will be out in explorable zones fighting for a larger portion of their time.
Cacheelma
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Party Search would be area wide.
Istan Kourna Vabbi Desolation Torment etc |
Age
It is easy to get a pug together for a mission or a certain quest but to Vanquish an area or a simple quest.That will be rather hard as some might not want to do it.Most players in big towns all they want to do is trade or LFR.It is kind of sad as pc gaming is interactive entertainment.
raven214
Even finding a pug in a (mission) town full of people can be difficult. I was up to the "kill Varesh" mission... forget the name atm... and of the good two dozen or so people there, the only ones talking were the ones offering mission runs. After killing a half hour "LFG mission" I finally had to pay for a run just to get a group.
That's the part I hate about this Massively-Singleplayer-Online-Game concept.
That's the part I hate about this Massively-Singleplayer-Online-Game concept.
Kook~NBK~
It's a good idea. Getting all of the people LFG to Vanquish areas into the same towns would make party-forming quite easy.
Two problems I see:
1. Getting all the vanquishers out there to participate. Word of mouth would really have to be used to get it up and going. It would be great if people would use guild announcements & posts in their forums the locations for partying-up. (once they were decided on.)
2. LFG Spam. Everyone knows how horrid the spam is in the trade centers. To alleviate this, The use of the Party search window should be encouraged. It's not hard for someone to post in the party window "LFG, Vanquish Mirror or Lyss" (or wherever). If the PUGsville idea gets off the ground, people should learn (and be told) to use the Party window when looking for a group to do a particular area.
For towns & outposts to use, I think that they shouldn't be towns where people gather for other things - ToA for FoW / UW runs, for example.
Some good candidates for TYRIA(IMHO):
4-person parties = Serenity Temple
6-person parties = Fisherman's Haven or Amnoon Oasis
8-person parties = Port Sledge
For Elona:
4-person parties = Astralarium or Champions Dawn.
8-person parties = Kodlonu Hamlet or Camp Hojanu
For cantha:
4-person parties = Tsumei village
8-person parties = The marketplace
(just throwing them out there, m'kay?)
Two problems I see:
1. Getting all the vanquishers out there to participate. Word of mouth would really have to be used to get it up and going. It would be great if people would use guild announcements & posts in their forums the locations for partying-up. (once they were decided on.)
2. LFG Spam. Everyone knows how horrid the spam is in the trade centers. To alleviate this, The use of the Party search window should be encouraged. It's not hard for someone to post in the party window "LFG, Vanquish Mirror or Lyss" (or wherever). If the PUGsville idea gets off the ground, people should learn (and be told) to use the Party window when looking for a group to do a particular area.
For towns & outposts to use, I think that they shouldn't be towns where people gather for other things - ToA for FoW / UW runs, for example.
Some good candidates for TYRIA(IMHO):
4-person parties = Serenity Temple
6-person parties = Fisherman's Haven or Amnoon Oasis
8-person parties = Port Sledge
For Elona:
4-person parties = Astralarium or Champions Dawn.
8-person parties = Kodlonu Hamlet or Camp Hojanu
For cantha:
4-person parties = Tsumei village
8-person parties = The marketplace
(just throwing them out there, m'kay?)
Renegade26
Make it one outpost for each campaign, otherwise it will be too split apart, but people can work on each Vanquisher title at a time.
Mylon
One of the downsides of Guild Wars is there is no ability to throw oneself at a task, find someone in the same area while you're on that task, and just happen to group up. That is, in a game like WoW, you're beating up monsters or whatever to do a quest and while engaged in the quest you meet up with another person and join forces. And thus a pick up group is formed. In Guild Wars, you have to form your party before the quest is even started, which can be harder.
Solaufyn
I know I'm not a WoW player, but there's something we can learn from them:
They have instanced areas, too. And they would manage to form 40-man groups for those instances. If they can make it work, why can't we?
-Sol
They have instanced areas, too. And they would manage to form 40-man groups for those instances. If they can make it work, why can't we?
-Sol
Mylon
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I know I'm not a WoW player, but there's something we can learn from them:
They have instanced areas, too. And they would manage to form 40-man groups for those instances. If they can make it work, why can't we? -Sol |
TheRaven
I think the hardest part is finding folks that are interested in Vanquishing/HM Missions at the same time as you. I've seen many vanquisher threads started here and I've replied to many of them as well saying I'm interested, but so far nobody has teamed up with me.
The problem as I see it, is that many of these threads do not specify a time to Vanquish. One guy started a thread a while back offering to help with HM missions, but it turned out that he was only available for missions starting at 6am my time.
It's hard to get everyone together at the same time. I may be interested in Vanquishing, but I'll go to a town at 8pm and find nobody else there who's interested. So I leave and do something else. Someone else shows up at 8:15 and again finds no one.
I've started a thread in the PUG forum to Vanquish an area tonight at 8pm EST, but so far no takers. Perhaps I'm just in a bad time zone. I'd love to team up with other Vanquishers but my guild will only hold events at 10-11pm which is too late for me, and finding non-guild PUGs is tough.
The problem as I see it, is that many of these threads do not specify a time to Vanquish. One guy started a thread a while back offering to help with HM missions, but it turned out that he was only available for missions starting at 6am my time.
It's hard to get everyone together at the same time. I may be interested in Vanquishing, but I'll go to a town at 8pm and find nobody else there who's interested. So I leave and do something else. Someone else shows up at 8:15 and again finds no one.
I've started a thread in the PUG forum to Vanquish an area tonight at 8pm EST, but so far no takers. Perhaps I'm just in a bad time zone. I'd love to team up with other Vanquishers but my guild will only hold events at 10-11pm which is too late for me, and finding non-guild PUGs is tough.
Spazzer
Superdave, the same idea crossed my mind recently.
I would suggest using the Fow/UW outpost of each campaign since those always support 8 players.
If this idea catches on, it would be a great lifesaver.
I would suggest using the Fow/UW outpost of each campaign since those always support 8 players.
If this idea catches on, it would be a great lifesaver.
Bai
It would be awesome if some of the more less active major outposts would get more action.. (Henge of Denravi, Amnoon Oasis)
If only we could somehow designate a town where people could gather to find parties instead of going solo.. It's so much funner when you have a group with you!
If only we could somehow designate a town where people could gather to find parties instead of going solo.. It's so much funner when you have a group with you!
Spazzer
It would also be nice if your Party Search entry didn't erase itself each time you entered a different area.
SuperDave
Thanks for the constructive comments guys..I like Kook~NBK~'s idea of the places where this can be started from. I do think however that Spazzer's idea of LF Vanquish parties in UW/FoW access areas would be more practical until this catches on. Off to ToA for me then 
distilledwill
This is an excelent idea, we should have at least one for each continent, preferably one for each party size in each continent as suggested.
If we come up with a few suggestions I'll be more than willing to post the sites on my guild's forum so they can all spread the word too.
Will
If we come up with a few suggestions I'll be more than willing to post the sites on my guild's forum so they can all spread the word too.
Will
Kook~NBK~
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Thanks for the constructive comments guys..I like Kook~NBK~'s idea of the places where this can be started from. I do think however that Spazzer's idea of LF Vanquish parties in UW/FoW access areas would be more practical until this catches on. Off to ToA for me then
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J snukka
i think it's best to set the LFG hard mode stuff in ToA, or the other two places that have the God realms.
CDittric77
I suppose ANet could add more tabs to the party search function so that you could be much more specific when in a given town/area (mission/skill cap/vanquish/etc)
SuperDave
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I suppose ANet could add more tabs to the party search function so that you could be much more specific when in a given town/area (mission/skill cap/vanquish/etc)
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1. Your search options are very limited (in terms of functionality/ length of message)
2. People don't use it
Theus
The only way for Party Search to be ever useful is to actually make it useful.
Oh hey,Great!I can use this to see what other people want in other districts!
OWAITWHENWASTHELASTTIMEYOUSAWAMISSIONOUTPOSTWITH3+ DISTRICTS?NEVER?EXACTLY!
Oh hey,great!I can use it to trade!
OWAITWEREANETLULZWERTEHMAEKITONLYHEAV31CHARACTRSIM EANYOU'DUSEITOVRALLCHATANDTRADECCAHTAMIRITE?
Make Party Search Continent Wide,and increase the character limit.Then it would be actually worthy of use.
Oh hey,Great!I can use this to see what other people want in other districts!
OWAITWHENWASTHELASTTIMEYOUSAWAMISSIONOUTPOSTWITH3+ DISTRICTS?NEVER?EXACTLY!
Oh hey,great!I can use it to trade!
OWAITWEREANETLULZWERTEHMAEKITONLYHEAV31CHARACTRSIM EANYOU'DUSEITOVRALLCHATANDTRADECCAHTAMIRITE?
Make Party Search Continent Wide,and increase the character limit.Then it would be actually worthy of use.
Renegade26
Must the community fix a problem that Anet has the ability to fix with a poor and underused (for good reason) feature?
Anet does a good job, but in so many areas that are appreciated by a small amount of people.
Challenge Mission ladder lol. I find that update quite funny, and Im sure people will get bored of the Hero's terribly AI and inabilty to deal with pets, fire magic, the inevitable spike that is coming after a shadow prison so use youre stupid RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing shielding hands you idiot, and how they just cannot use some skills, like BHA. My ranger died to a mind blast ele on the middle of a hill. Apply Poison and BHA and he couldnt daze the moron with no ability to move himself.
In fact I remember one time my monk ran out of a firestorm and meteor shower spot, and then ran back INTO it as i kited another AoE. Thats stupidity.
So umm, tangents ftw.
Anet does a good job, but in so many areas that are appreciated by a small amount of people.
Challenge Mission ladder lol. I find that update quite funny, and Im sure people will get bored of the Hero's terribly AI and inabilty to deal with pets, fire magic, the inevitable spike that is coming after a shadow prison so use youre stupid RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing shielding hands you idiot, and how they just cannot use some skills, like BHA. My ranger died to a mind blast ele on the middle of a hill. Apply Poison and BHA and he couldnt daze the moron with no ability to move himself.
In fact I remember one time my monk ran out of a firestorm and meteor shower spot, and then ran back INTO it as i kited another AoE. Thats stupidity.
So umm, tangents ftw.
Spazzer
If party search wouldn't delete itself every time I move to a different outpost, I wouldn't QQ so much about it.
samcobra
The problem with pugging in PvE is that there is no certain way of determining the merit of any pug that you pick up. As such, most players in this game aren't very good and without something concrete, be it even something so esoteric as lightbringer title or HA rank, its very difficult to differentiate pugs and so it leads to an overall bad experience for people who don't like to play with bad players.
Aera Lure
I like the idea and wish we had a place where we all met to form a hard mode group because my guild is inactive currently but I wish to do the Guardian title track on all three continents.
I enjoy PUGs, for the most part (not always lol, but sometimes its just nice to play with humans over with AI, again). I'm not sure we'd have any trouble within this community as a group. It would be good if this happened that three places were chosen and it got a Sticky. Maybe not here, but a Sticky in each of the continent-based forums, so players going to those forums knew that a particular outpost or town was a place to go to meet people from the forums - specifically for hard mode - but it could be in general as well.
I enjoy PUGs, for the most part (not always lol, but sometimes its just nice to play with humans over with AI, again). I'm not sure we'd have any trouble within this community as a group. It would be good if this happened that three places were chosen and it got a Sticky. Maybe not here, but a Sticky in each of the continent-based forums, so players going to those forums knew that a particular outpost or town was a place to go to meet people from the forums - specifically for hard mode - but it could be in general as well.