When will they actually fix this favor system? For something going on in PvP that affects PvE is pathetic. Europe has the majority of the players and it shows by how long they get favor for. I mean, maybe America may get it like at midnight (est), but not many people are gonna stay up that late with jobs and school. Korea, Japan, Taiwan never seem to get close to winning favor, although I did see Japan have it once. But does Europe really need the favor all the time.... even when it's three in the morning over there?
So they add these passage scrolls. My thought is... who is gonna have all these scrolls, and who is going to be buying them all. It's gonna be the Europeans making profit off of these scrolls (along with ectos and stuff) and everyone else buying them. So lets say a solo farmer buys 1 UW scroll for 5k to do a smite run. He goes and gets and ecto and a few drops, selling the ecto at 5k and the cheap merchant drops he only makes a small profit, unless he gets lucky and gets some good drops or a UW scroll (which he would probably for himself).
The thing is, the european farmers and their economy are benefiting so much and the other people from american and the other countries won't be as rich. Especially since the number of gold drops from farming other areas drops way down after its been farmed a few times. This favor system needs to be fixed so its fair for everyone.
Favor System.... another one of those threads
Sniper22
Neo Nugget
They've got access scrolls now. I think that's as much "fixing" as anet wants to do. Though the urgoz and deep scrolls are alot easier to get.
mazik
They aren't going to change it, there are many threads like this, and what do you hope to accomplish with them? They added scrolls, they aren't going to redesign one of the primary game mechanics(however inconvienent it may be) this late in the games life.
wetsparks
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So they add these passage scrolls.
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Bryant Again
How often do the scrolls drop? I'm curious because I haven't seen one on sale yet.
Zinger314
The favor system was initially hearlded a gimmick, intended to interweave PvE and PvP, as ArenaNet had once planned.
Look what happened now.
Look what happened now.
VanDamselx
Over time, it pretty much became a PvP vs. PvE game where there is always one arguing over which takes more skill and whatever else. Zinger is right, the line between the two is thicker than ever before. A-Net won't be doing much more about this, I think passage scrolls are fair enough.
At least America gets favor, look at regions like Korea, Japan, and Taiwan who ultimately never see favor for very long.
At least America gets favor, look at regions like Korea, Japan, and Taiwan who ultimately never see favor for very long.
Smile Like Umean It
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How often do the scrolls drop? I'm curious because I haven't seen one on sale yet.
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I haven't seen another drop at all.
Onarik Amrak
Do we really need "another one of those threads"?
Bryant Again
Nah but we need a thread. It's getting quiet around hea!
L.J
It's great for Australians playing on the american districts ^^. I basically log in and we always got favor. It is kinda unfair to Korea, Japan, and Taiwan, I rarely see them with favor also.
Kashrlyyk
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How often do the scrolls drop? I'm curious because I haven't seen one on sale yet.
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ogre-mage
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Originally Posted by wetsparks
Seems to me you answered your own question. The favor system is fine and for those that don't play when their country has favor can use those scrolls. Now I shall ask a mod to close this as there is probably 15 more like it.
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Wish Swiftdeath
Just go to the options on the character select screen and set your region to Europe 
glountz
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Originally Posted by Kashrlyyk
Very rare. They only drop from bosses.
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Just take lockpicks, vanquish some areas and you will see some of them dropping from chests.
mr_groovy
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No, they drop quite regularly from HM chests.
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I have done my fair share of farming in hard mode (gok & collossal ) also I've vanquished a lot in Nightfall, and using a lot of lock picks. In total I've gotten 1 Underworld scroll. Now if you could sell them at the scroll trader, and they could be in stock, that would be an improvement.
fenix
Nope, it'll never get changed. It's been this way for 24 months, and changing it now would be silly. They'll just wait for GW2, and make all the changes people have been begging for in that.
Orinn
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Originally Posted by mazik
They aren't going to change it, there are many threads like this, and what do you hope to accomplish with them? They added scrolls, they aren't going to redesign one of the primary game mechanics(however inconvienent it may be) this late in the games life.
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Or the new mechanics of Soul Reaping, after almost 3 years of being perfectly fine.
Not primary mechanics? OK, what about HoH and the "now it's 6v6, now it's 8v8, and here are some new map objectives."
Just because something has not changed yet is not a good reason not to change it. I personally hope that after enough of these threads, ANet will get the point that favor is inconvenient for players, divisive for the community, and a detriment to their game. Then, maybe, they'll remove it and we can all celebrate in FoW, regardless of region.
Yeah. I think i need some sleep now...
Destinyy
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What reason is there to close it? It's not hurting anybody. It's not like there are 5 other threads with the same subject being actively discussed right now. Just because an issue has been brought up before doesn't mean it can't be brought up again. Stop being an ass.
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On Topic, I have been playing for 5 months now and still have no clue why PvP effects PvE and so on...
I would say they need to have a strict split between the 2 and enforce their changing rules on PvP and leave PvE alone...
makosi
I still remember when Korea and America took favour a combined 90% of the time and Europe had to do without and we were powerless to do anything about it.
My mother is renowned for her wise statements such as: "Tough S**t," which I think applies here.
I don't believe the favour system has created diverse wealth margins between Europe and America or at least that's what I see.
My mother is renowned for her wise statements such as: "Tough S**t," which I think applies here.
I don't believe the favour system has created diverse wealth margins between Europe and America or at least that's what I see.
Lydz
Erm...who in their right mind buys access scrolls for 5K? I sold mine for 2K. I see plenty of people doing the same. Maybe if you took a look around you would be making more of a profit.
Oh, and btw, boo hoo! Change territories if it's such a big deal.
Oh, and btw, boo hoo! Change territories if it's such a big deal.
Smile Like Umean It
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Oh, and btw, boo hoo! Change territories if it's such a big deal.
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1. Lets have all that wants favor go to the notoriously bad Euro servers and see what happens.
2. You get only for chances to switch servers.
3. Japan can't switch at all.
4. The suggestion is as bad as telling a strictly PVE person to go play HA.
Swift Thief
At least make it so that all creatures in hard mode drop UW and FoW scrolls.
Bryant Again
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Oh, and btw, boo hoo! Change territories if it's such a big deal.
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Razorwood
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When will they actually fix this favor system? For something going on in PvP that affects PvE is pathetic. Europe has the majority of the players and it shows by how long they get favor for.
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I mean, maybe America may get it like at midnight (est), but not many people are gonna stay up that late with jobs and school.
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So they add these passage scrolls. My thought is... who is gonna have all these scrolls, and who is going to be buying them all. It's gonna be the Europeans making profit off of these scrolls (along with ectos and stuff) and everyone else buying them.
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Since they drop from bosses and chests in Hardmode (Which i'd imagen is playable on the US servers). What's the problem? I fail to see why Europeans will be the ones finding all the scrolls.
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So lets say a solo farmer buys 1 UW scroll for 5k to do a smite run. He goes and gets and ecto and a few drops, selling the ecto at 5k and the cheap merchant drops he only makes a small profit, unless he gets lucky and gets some good drops or a UW scroll (which he would probably for himself).
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The thing is, the european farmers and their economy are benefiting so much and the other people from american and the other countries won't be as rich.
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Now how about this for unfair, both promotional mini pets that were giving away to English language players (Gray Giant and Asura) came out in the US market months before Europe.
Giving the US players the chance to sell them for 100k+ by the time the EU market got them there value was what 15k? Personally i'd say that is more broken than the favor system, since the European players can't really do anything about that (Certainly not within the game it's self)
Where as if America wants favor all it has to do is win in HoH, granted it might not be that easy, but it's something you have control over.
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Especially since the number of gold drops from farming other areas drops way down after its been farmed a few times. This favor system needs to be fixed so its fair for everyone.
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Also life isn't fair.
Superdarth
There is nothing whrong with the favour system. In this case you have to work for acess to fow and the likes, if Europeans PvP the most (and WIN the most, two diffrent things, just becauser you play often dousnt mean youre skilled enough to take on japanese/americans) then they deserve the majority of the favour. America wants favour?Well nothing is stopping them from fighting for it. Not good enough to win?Then Europe deserves the favour. Sorry but imho thats how it is and ment to be.
Stealthc
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I still remember when Korea and America took favour a combined 90% of the time and Europe had to do without and we were powerless to do anything about it.
My mother is renowned for her wise statements such as: "Tough S**t," which I think applies here. I don't believe the favour system has created diverse wealth margins between Europe and America or at least that's what I see. |
How the tables have turned.
dopple
The favor system is the proof that even good game designers can make really bad designs and stick to them for no good reason whatsoever.
Bryant Again
Ooooooh man, this thread is just going to go downhill. There are numerous logical faults I want to quote on but I've already done it a thousand times before. In a few pages this will most likely explode into another PvP vs. PvE thread.
Razorwood
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Ooooooh man, this thread is just going to go downhill. There are numerous logical faults I want to quote on but I've already done it a thousand times before. In a few pages this will most likely explode into another PvP vs. PvE thread.
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Aera Lure
The favor system is completely fine, imho. Dont have favor? Find a scroll (if you can) or wait. Its supposed to be set up that way.
Passage scrolls could perhaps drop a bit more often.
Passage scrolls could perhaps drop a bit more often.
trf2374
I've never liked the favor system since it is unfair to PvE players.
What if the reverse was true -- PvP players could do some form of PvP.., say they couldn't do GvG, unless enough American PvE teams cleared the Underworld to give them PvP favor? Lol.
And even as a PvE player, guess what happens if I want to try to join a HoH group to reclaim favor for America? I stand there for an hour due to rank discrimination.
What if the reverse was true -- PvP players could do some form of PvP.., say they couldn't do GvG, unless enough American PvE teams cleared the Underworld to give them PvP favor? Lol.
And even as a PvE player, guess what happens if I want to try to join a HoH group to reclaim favor for America? I stand there for an hour due to rank discrimination.
Bryant Again
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I thought all threads had to end that way? :P
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Aera Lure
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What if the reverse was true -- PvP players could do some form of PvP.., say they couldn't do GvG, unless enough American PvE teams cleared the Underworld to give them PvP favor? Lol.
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There's no reason to need to get into either, unless you are seeking the Forgemaster. To that end, I have some sympathy for regions like Korea and japan, and support passage scrolls being a tiny bit more common, or dynamic drops for them that when you dont have favor they drop a bit more often.
Anyone else wishing to go in is either looking to farm or explore. Its not like there are not other places to farm or that Underworld is all that great a place to farm anymore either. They dont count towards cartographer titles (which would be a pain if they did).
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And even as a PvE player, guess what happens if I want to try to join a HoH group to reclaim favor for America? I stand there for an hour due to rank discrimination.
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Painbringer
Since you can buy scrolls with Luxon or Kurzick faction to enter the elite areas in faction. Why not add a trader that takes Balthazar Faction as well for Underworld / FOW scrolls Say 5000k for a scroll?
Bryant Again
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Originally Posted by Painbringer
Since you can buy scrolls with Luxon or Kurzick faction to enter the elite areas in faction. Why not add a trader that takes Balthazar Faction as well for Underworld / FOW scrolls Say 5000k for a scroll?
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That actually sounds pretty solid. Win/win situation: You're getting your UW/FoW access and ANet is getting you to play PvP.
Aera Lure
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Originally Posted by Painbringer
Since you can buy scrolls with Luxon or Kurzick faction to enter the elite areas in faction. Why not add a trader that takes Balthazar Faction as well for Underworld / FOW scrolls Say 5000k for a scroll?
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(I needed more characters so had to type something extra lol)
Darksun
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The favor system was initially hearlded a gimmick, intended to interweave PvE and PvP, as ArenaNet had once planned.
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Thunder79
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Since you can buy scrolls with Luxon or Kurzick faction to enter the elite areas in faction. Why not add a trader that takes Balthazar Faction as well for Underworld / FOW scrolls Say 5000k for a scroll?
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Break the damn tie to PvP...
If PvP were restricted like PvE is we'd never hear the end of it...don't give me "no they'd go do some other PvP." BS....they would complain to high heaven like they did with having to go into PvE to capture skills. Every major aspect of PvP that required some form of PvE has been removed...there is now one outstanding PvP requirement for PvE...favor...which we are asking be removed.
All PvE players are asking for is a PvE requirement to control favor on each character instead of the current PvP requirement. We don't want to PvP and should not be forced to do so (just like PvP players aren't required to play PvE) , we also don't want to have to rely on PvP matches to gain access to PvE areas. There is no equivalent restriction in PvP...if Favor isn't fixed then some sort of equivalent PvP restriction should be put in place.
Mylon
I would be more than happy to win favor for my region, but because of my experience is primarily in GvG, everyone is like, "Show me your rank? Go away, noob." If it wasn't such a hassle to form a decent, competitive PUG, then I might actually have some rank. But as it stands, jumping into HA is like entering TA by yourself (to be put in a team RA style). Unless you're in a good guild (which also requires rank, by the way), you might as well just /resign while you're ahead.
And thus I still don't have rank, and probably never will.
And thus I still don't have rank, and probably never will.