I got back into playing my necro a little over the last week or so and devised this build which I've been using in both PvE and AB:
[skill]Cultist's Fervor[/skill][skill]Vampiric Gaze[/skill][skill]Shadow Strike[/skill][skill]Vampiric Swarm[/skill][skill]Blood Drinker[/skill][skill]Unholy Feast[/skill][skill]Resilient Weapon[/skill][skill]Well of Blood[/skill]
Attributes:
Blood Magic: 12 + 1 + 3
Soul Reaping: 9 + 1
Restoration Magic: 9
Weapon:
I'm currently using a staff (I preder staves over wand/focus sets - they're prettier on the whole) with a HCT(20%) head, HCT (20%) inscription and a 20% Enchanting Wrapping.
Armor:
No Vigor Rune or Vitae Runes, no extra health from insignia.
Personally I'm using Armor +10 (Light Damage Increased by X) armor.
I'm mainly after some input on this build. I feel it could be made better so...any opinions.
Although I usually carry a res on my necro the last spot is I guess pretty flexible. I take Blood Ritual there when needed, and a res can be taken in place of Well of Blood also.
Soul Reaping doesn't seem to be needed much at all for this build to be effective and at 16 blood, with a 20% enchanting weapon Cultists Fervor almost lasts it's recharge.
In PvE Dunkoro is just too darn efficient at removing the bleeding from Blood Drinker, which is the reason for Resilient Weapon, I was considering taking Weapon of Warding for PvE, as Resilient Weapon seems to do more in Alliance Battles.
I had considered going N/R and using Serpent's Quickness to allow me to spam Vampiric Gaze more. A further thought was that i could stay with the N/Rt theme and use Communing rather than Restoration for Binding Chains. Problem is, when there's a wammo around they tend to think "ZOMG he can't move. I... Must... Deal... Damage..."...but the Lifesteal would get around Binding Chains quite nicely.
I'm using no vigor runes, and no fortitude mods on the staff so that I sacrifice less health from Cultist's Fervor, also, I find the double HCT mods to be very useful on skills like Vampiric Swarm and Blood Drinker.
Has anyone tried using a similar build or has any ideas / constructive comments on how this oculd be improved?
The Lifestealer
Cebe
Sophitia Leafblade
Well my general blood build is slightly different:
[skill]Vampiric Spirit[/skill][skill]shadow strike[/skill][skill]Blood drinker[/skill][skill]Signet of Lost Souls[/skill][skill]Plague Touch[/skill][skill]Serpent's Quickness[/skill][skill]Awaken the Blood[/skill][skill]Resurrection signet[/skill]
Vampiric spirit gives a great boost in damage and in self healing. Ofc u need to be very close to use this most effectively, the self healing will keep you alive, signet of lost souls helps keep u with energy. Plague touch/blood drinker combo keeps bleeding on ur foe to kill them faster while still triggering Vampiric Spirit. During periods when your skills are recharging (8 recharges on blood drinker) u can cast Vamp spirit again. Awaken the Blood boosts the life steal a good deal use this before engaging the target.Serpents lowers the recharge on the skills to allow u to cast more often.
Using shadow at point blank range will result in 169 life steal(13e), followed up with 136 lifesteal from blood drinker.(8e) Using blood drinker + Vampiric spirit not only is cheaper than Vampiric Gaze but it also steals more life.
While using this build i use Milthuran's Staff which gives me a good 15 energy (handy to make up for the extra energy cost) 20HCT/20SRT which helps cast more often and the chance of +1 blood to increase damage even further.
Attribute wise i use:
Blood Magic: 12 + 1 + 3 (+2 more while under Awaken)
Soul Reaping: 9 + 1
Wilderness Survival : 9
Before i used this i used Unholy Feast and vamp Gaze instead of Blood drinker and plague touch and found i ran out of energy much too fast although it was amazingly good for spiking, but with the reduction in energy gain from soul reaping its much harder to maintain the older build in combat. I also used Barbed Signet to try to reduce some of the energy strain until i got signet of lost souls.
Now for some comments on ur build:
I like the idea behind using Resilient weapon but as u point out ur condition gets removed too quickly. I would change to /R for serpents instead to increase your cast rate.
[skill]Vampiric Spirit[/skill][skill]shadow strike[/skill][skill]Blood drinker[/skill][skill]Signet of Lost Souls[/skill][skill]Plague Touch[/skill][skill]Serpent's Quickness[/skill][skill]Awaken the Blood[/skill][skill]Resurrection signet[/skill]
Vampiric spirit gives a great boost in damage and in self healing. Ofc u need to be very close to use this most effectively, the self healing will keep you alive, signet of lost souls helps keep u with energy. Plague touch/blood drinker combo keeps bleeding on ur foe to kill them faster while still triggering Vampiric Spirit. During periods when your skills are recharging (8 recharges on blood drinker) u can cast Vamp spirit again. Awaken the Blood boosts the life steal a good deal use this before engaging the target.Serpents lowers the recharge on the skills to allow u to cast more often.
Using shadow at point blank range will result in 169 life steal(13e), followed up with 136 lifesteal from blood drinker.(8e) Using blood drinker + Vampiric spirit not only is cheaper than Vampiric Gaze but it also steals more life.
While using this build i use Milthuran's Staff which gives me a good 15 energy (handy to make up for the extra energy cost) 20HCT/20SRT which helps cast more often and the chance of +1 blood to increase damage even further.
Attribute wise i use:
Blood Magic: 12 + 1 + 3 (+2 more while under Awaken)
Soul Reaping: 9 + 1
Wilderness Survival : 9
Before i used this i used Unholy Feast and vamp Gaze instead of Blood drinker and plague touch and found i ran out of energy much too fast although it was amazingly good for spiking, but with the reduction in energy gain from soul reaping its much harder to maintain the older build in combat. I also used Barbed Signet to try to reduce some of the energy strain until i got signet of lost souls.
Now for some comments on ur build:
I like the idea behind using Resilient weapon but as u point out ur condition gets removed too quickly. I would change to /R for serpents instead to increase your cast rate.
ryanryanryan0310
looks fun.....will test later...
Cebe
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Originally Posted by Sophitia Leafblade
Well my general blood build is slightly different:
[skill]Vampiric Spirit[/skill][skill]shadow strike[/skill][skill]Blood drinker[/skill][skill]Signet of Lost Souls[/skill][skill]Plague Touch[/skill][skill]Serpent's Quickness[/skill][skill]Awaken the Blood[/skill][skill]Resurrection signet[/skill] Unfortunately I don't get on well with Vampiric Spirit. I seem to lose energy FAST. I did, however, have Cultists Fervor when I capped Vampiric Spirit. Those two elites combines is pure hax, HAX I tells ya!
There is also the downside that Vampiric Spirit may not always target the foe you're trying to take down, which can also be annoing. Bonus is though it has a faster recharge...it's just the +3 energy which puts me off it.
[skill]Vampiric Spirit[/skill][skill]shadow strike[/skill][skill]Blood drinker[/skill][skill]Signet of Lost Souls[/skill][skill]Plague Touch[/skill][skill]Serpent's Quickness[/skill][skill]Awaken the Blood[/skill][skill]Resurrection signet[/skill] Unfortunately I don't get on well with Vampiric Spirit. I seem to lose energy FAST. I did, however, have Cultists Fervor when I capped Vampiric Spirit. Those two elites combines is pure hax, HAX I tells ya!
There is also the downside that Vampiric Spirit may not always target the foe you're trying to take down, which can also be annoing. Bonus is though it has a faster recharge...it's just the +3 energy which puts me off it.
jrk247
Seems ok for PvE, but for PvP I could see a lot of problems. And I really don't like that elite TBH.
Here's a build I use that works for PvE and PvP. And of course switch Sig of Sorrow for a rez if needed.
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Blood: 12 + 1 + 3
SR: 12 +1
[skill]Awaken the Blood[/skill][skill]Life Transfer[/skill][skill]Life Siphon[/skill][skill]Lifebane Strike[/skill][skill]Shadow Strike[/skill][skill]Vampiric Gaze[/skill][skill]Signet of Sorrow[/skill][skill]Signet of Lost Souls[/skill]
It's a pretty basic build, start with casting the degen then spike the foe. If you are taking heavy damage just cast Life Siphon on more than one target and you should be fine. Sig of Sorrow is just a filler skill you can sub in a Rez or Blood Ritual. Note that Awaken the Blood makes you sac more health so try not to bring sacrificing skills. Energy doesn't seem to be a problem with this build. The only draw back to this build is that you really have no self heal unless you are by foes, so conditions are a bad thing and hex removers take away your damage reduction/health regen from Life Transfer/Siphon. Other than that this build has worked for me and is very efficient.
I use a + energy armor set and right now I'm using a wand and offhand. Wand is +5^50 HSR 20% and offhand is +12 +15/-1 HCT 20%. I have 455 Health (Sup Vigor) and 74 energy total with 3 pips of regen.
Here's a build I use that works for PvE and PvP. And of course switch Sig of Sorrow for a rez if needed.
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Blood: 12 + 1 + 3
SR: 12 +1
[skill]Awaken the Blood[/skill][skill]Life Transfer[/skill][skill]Life Siphon[/skill][skill]Lifebane Strike[/skill][skill]Shadow Strike[/skill][skill]Vampiric Gaze[/skill][skill]Signet of Sorrow[/skill][skill]Signet of Lost Souls[/skill]
It's a pretty basic build, start with casting the degen then spike the foe. If you are taking heavy damage just cast Life Siphon on more than one target and you should be fine. Sig of Sorrow is just a filler skill you can sub in a Rez or Blood Ritual. Note that Awaken the Blood makes you sac more health so try not to bring sacrificing skills. Energy doesn't seem to be a problem with this build. The only draw back to this build is that you really have no self heal unless you are by foes, so conditions are a bad thing and hex removers take away your damage reduction/health regen from Life Transfer/Siphon. Other than that this build has worked for me and is very efficient.
I use a + energy armor set and right now I'm using a wand and offhand. Wand is +5^50 HSR 20% and offhand is +12 +15/-1 HCT 20%. I have 455 Health (Sup Vigor) and 74 energy total with 3 pips of regen.
Sophitia Leafblade
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Originally Posted by Celestial Beaver
Unfortunately I don't get on well with Vampiric Spirit. I seem to lose energy FAST. I did, however, have Cultists Fervor when I capped Vampiric Spirit. Those two elites combines is pure hax, HAX I tells ya!
There is also the downside that Vampiric Spirit may not always target the foe you're trying to take down, which can also be annoing. Bonus is though it has a faster recharge...it's just the +3 energy which puts me off it. +3 energy isnt too bad really, @16 blood Vamp Gaze costs 10 energy for 63 life steal, for 13 energy (cost of casting vamp spirit and Blood drinker) u can do 121 life steal and then u cast blood drinker again (after recharge) on its own for another 121 life steal for 8 energy which works out far more efficient (nearly twice as efficient) than casting vampiric Gaze on its own. That extra damage will kill the target considerably quicker meaning u have to cast less saving u energy.
Using Cultists Fervor means u CAN fight longer, Using Vampiric Spirit means u dont need to. So it all depends which approach u wanna take
If Cultists is stripped your going to run out of energy Very fast with so many high cost skills which will cause problems in long fights (ur gonna become highly dependent on blood drinkers low cost to try to keep ur energy), if Vampiric spirit is stripped the damage output will drop but the rest of the build allows it to continue to fight. (the stripping of it will reduce my energy useage at the cost of my extra damage)
There is also the downside that Vampiric Spirit may not always target the foe you're trying to take down, which can also be annoing. Bonus is though it has a faster recharge...it's just the +3 energy which puts me off it. +3 energy isnt too bad really, @16 blood Vamp Gaze costs 10 energy for 63 life steal, for 13 energy (cost of casting vamp spirit and Blood drinker) u can do 121 life steal and then u cast blood drinker again (after recharge) on its own for another 121 life steal for 8 energy which works out far more efficient (nearly twice as efficient) than casting vampiric Gaze on its own. That extra damage will kill the target considerably quicker meaning u have to cast less saving u energy.
Using Cultists Fervor means u CAN fight longer, Using Vampiric Spirit means u dont need to. So it all depends which approach u wanna take
If Cultists is stripped your going to run out of energy Very fast with so many high cost skills which will cause problems in long fights (ur gonna become highly dependent on blood drinkers low cost to try to keep ur energy), if Vampiric spirit is stripped the damage output will drop but the rest of the build allows it to continue to fight. (the stripping of it will reduce my energy useage at the cost of my extra damage)
Cebe
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Originally Posted by Sophitia Leafblade
+If Cultists is stripped your going to run out of energy Very fast with so many high cost skills which will cause problems in long fights (ur gonna become highly dependent on blood drinkers low cost to try to keep ur energy), if Vampiric spirit is stripped the damage output will drop but the rest of the build allows it to continue to fight. (the stripping of it will reduce my energy useage at the cost of my extra damage)
Fair point. I've not played in areas of high enchantment removal. Perhaps in that instance I should take SIgnet of Lost Souls, which I just don't find a use for if I can keep the enchantment up enough.
Sophitia Leafblade
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Originally Posted by Celestial Beaver
Fair point. I've not played in areas of high enchantment removal. Perhaps in that instance I should take SIgnet of Lost Souls, which I just don't find a use for if I can keep the enchantment up enough.
You could drop Vampiric Swarm (with its long cast time and high cost)or Unholy Feast (with high cost and close range requirement) in such areas for barbed Signet(cheap, good damage but with along recharge) to keep damage output slightly higher and reduce energy drain a little.
Pick Me
[skill]vampiric spirit[/skill][skill]enfeebling blood[/skill][skill]oppressive gaze[/skill][skill]unholy feast[/skill][skill]jaundiced gaze[/skill][skill]strip enchantment[/skill][skill]signet of lost souls[/skill][skill]resurrection signet[/skill]
This is what I've used, you can sub vampiric spirit for culist fervor if you wanted.
This is what I've used, you can sub vampiric spirit for culist fervor if you wanted.
Cebe
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Originally Posted by Pick Me
[skill]vampiric spirit[/skill][skill]enfeebling blood[/skill][skill]oppressive gaze[/skill][skill]unholy feast[/skill][skill]jaundiced gaze[/skill][skill]strip enchantment[/skill][skill]signet of lost souls[/skill][skill]resurrection signet[/skill]
This is what I've used, you can sub vampiric spirit for culist fervor if you wanted. HOW much energy do you have!?!?
This is what I've used, you can sub vampiric spirit for culist fervor if you wanted. HOW much energy do you have!?!?
Pick Me
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Originally Posted by Celestial Beaver
HOW much energy do you have!?!?
Between 40 and 45. By the time things are about 50% health or less, I can use my signet of lost souls. Then things tend to die at the same time, which gives me max energy again to redo my spell combos. I never just blindly press buttons, I do things in moderation. I never just press 1,2,3,4,5 repeatedly, I press 1, then 2, then 3, wait a bit, 4, 5 if necessary or 7 then 5.
I know it seems that it is very costly for my N/Me but it actually does a nice job at killing.
I have a nice staff and energy armor.
Between 40 and 45. By the time things are about 50% health or less, I can use my signet of lost souls. Then things tend to die at the same time, which gives me max energy again to redo my spell combos. I never just blindly press buttons, I do things in moderation. I never just press 1,2,3,4,5 repeatedly, I press 1, then 2, then 3, wait a bit, 4, 5 if necessary or 7 then 5.I know it seems that it is very costly for my N/Me but it actually does a nice job at killing.
I have a nice staff and energy armor.
ArKaiN
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Originally Posted by jrk247
Here's a build I use that works for PvE and PvP. And of course switch Sig of Sorrow for a rez if needed.
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Blood: 12 + 1 + 3
SR: 12 +1
[skill]Awaken the Blood[/skill][skill]Life Transfer[/skill][skill]Life Siphon[/skill][skill]Lifebane Strike[/skill][skill]Shadow Strike[/skill][skill]Vampiric Gaze[/skill][skill]Signet of Sorrow[/skill][skill]Signet of Lost Souls[/skill]
It's a pretty basic build, start with casting the degen then spike the foe. If you are taking heavy damage just cast Life Siphon on more than one target and you should be fine. Sig of Sorrow is just a filler skill you can sub in a Rez or Blood Ritual. Note that Awaken the Blood makes you sac more health so try not to bring sacrificing skills. Energy doesn't seem to be a problem with this build. The only draw back to this build is that you really have no self heal unless you are by foes, so conditions are a bad thing and hex removers take away your damage reduction/health regen from Life Transfer/Siphon. Other than that this build has worked for me and is very efficient. Life Transfer is only halfway decent if the other team has no hex removal. Every time LT is removed it feels like a huge kick in the nuts, and your build is neutered for 30 seconds. In PvE is just doesn't have any use: Place it on a foe, it gets killed, you get sad.
Seriously, its a bad elite.
Dr Strangelove
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Originally Posted by Pick Me
[skill]vampiric spirit[/skill][skill]enfeebling blood[/skill][skill]oppressive gaze[/skill][skill]unholy feast[/skill][skill]jaundiced gaze[/skill][skill]strip enchantment[/skill][skill]signet of lost souls[/skill][skill]resurrection signet[/skill]
This is what I've used, you can sub vampiric spirit for culist fervor if you wanted. This looks like it could be interesting, with vamp gaze swapped for jaundiced gaze, and cultist's fervor instead of vampiric spirit.
Well of blood might fit nicely in there somewhere, too.
This is what I've used, you can sub vampiric spirit for culist fervor if you wanted. This looks like it could be interesting, with vamp gaze swapped for jaundiced gaze, and cultist's fervor instead of vampiric spirit.
Well of blood might fit nicely in there somewhere, too.
Threll
If you absolutely MUST use Life Transfer, at least bring Arcane Echo.
jrk247
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Originally Posted by ArKaiN
Life Transfer is only halfway decent if the other team has no hex removal. Every time LT is removed it feels like a huge kick in the nuts, and your build is neutered for 30 seconds. In PvE is just doesn't have any use: Place it on a foe, it gets killed, you get sad.
Seriously, its a bad elite. Seems to work well with me, Life Transfer isn't really a skill to make or brake the build it's just there for when it's available. And I do have HSR 20% so it's not always a 30 second wait.
And even if it is removed I seem to kill things just fine. And it's funny to hear someone say it's a bad elite it's recharge sucks that's about it. With Awaken the Blood LT gives 9 degen which is almost full degen add in Life Siphon and it's full degen +an extra 2 incase they start healing and that's just the 2 skills I still have my whole bar of spiking skills.
And you talk about hex removal, just about all the necro elites are either hexes or enchantments so just a little FYI. They can all be removed not just LT.
Seriously, its a bad elite. Seems to work well with me, Life Transfer isn't really a skill to make or brake the build it's just there for when it's available. And I do have HSR 20% so it's not always a 30 second wait.
And even if it is removed I seem to kill things just fine.
And it's funny to hear someone say it's a bad elite it's recharge sucks that's about it. With Awaken the Blood LT gives 9 degen which is almost full degen add in Life Siphon and it's full degen +an extra 2 incase they start healing and that's just the 2 skills I still have my whole bar of spiking skills.And you talk about hex removal, just about all the necro elites are either hexes or enchantments so just a little FYI. They can all be removed not just LT.
ZenRgy
Reaper's Mark is the best degen elite, only followed by Corrupt Enchantment.
The recharge on life transfer is what makes it so bad, even with if you get that HSR.
It only lasts 8 seconds, and is in the blood line.
Reaper's Mark runs into soul reaping (which almsot every necro build has a healthy attribute invest into) and synergizes well with the curses line, making it a deadly hex and able to be used to cover other hexes you carry.
Although these hexes can be removed as you said, when they do get removed you're still there sitting for the recharge (which as stated, is long regardless of getting the HSR).
The recharge on life transfer is what makes it so bad, even with if you get that HSR.
It only lasts 8 seconds, and is in the blood line.
Reaper's Mark runs into soul reaping (which almsot every necro build has a healthy attribute invest into) and synergizes well with the curses line, making it a deadly hex and able to be used to cover other hexes you carry.
Although these hexes can be removed as you said, when they do get removed you're still there sitting for the recharge (which as stated, is long regardless of getting the HSR).
Pick Me
[skill]parasitic bond[/skill] the ultimate cover hex.
[skill]blood renewal[/skill] one of the best cover enchantments that the necro has (would be the best if it weren't for that sac).
[skill]blood renewal[/skill] one of the best cover enchantments that the necro has (would be the best if it weren't for that sac).
ArKaiN
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Originally Posted by jrk247
Seems to work well with me, Life Transfer isn't really a skill to make or brake the build it's just there for when it's available. And I do have HSR 20% so it not always a 30 second wait, and you really do not need it to do damage (or rely on it for damage) it just serves primarily as a damage reduction for me and degen on the foe.
And even if it is removed I seem to kill things just fine. And it's funny to hear someone say it's a bad elite, go look at Reaper's Mark and then say LT is a bad elite. With Awaken the Blood LT gives 9 degen which is almost full degen add in Life Siphon and it's full degen +an extra 2 incase they start healing and that's just the 2 skills I still have my whole bar of spiking skills.
And you talk about hex removal, just about all the necro elites are either hexes or enchantments so just a little FYI. They can all be removed not just LT. For one, reaper's mark lasts for 30 seconds at recharge 10, so you can KEEP IT UP on at least 2 people at the same time. For two, it actually pays off to kill things under mark. But mainly, it it's interrupted, it doesn't make you go "OH CRAP time to spam life syphon for -3 degen for 30 seconds"(80% of the time).
You say it doesn't "make or break a build". Elites should. Sure, it has a cute effect if you ignore the recharge. But hey, if you want to ignore recharge, Feast of Corruption is 10 times better.
Just compare its effect to what Spoil Victor does.
And even if it is removed I seem to kill things just fine.
And it's funny to hear someone say it's a bad elite, go look at Reaper's Mark and then say LT is a bad elite. With Awaken the Blood LT gives 9 degen which is almost full degen add in Life Siphon and it's full degen +an extra 2 incase they start healing and that's just the 2 skills I still have my whole bar of spiking skills.And you talk about hex removal, just about all the necro elites are either hexes or enchantments so just a little FYI. They can all be removed not just LT. For one, reaper's mark lasts for 30 seconds at recharge 10, so you can KEEP IT UP on at least 2 people at the same time. For two, it actually pays off to kill things under mark. But mainly, it it's interrupted, it doesn't make you go "OH CRAP time to spam life syphon for -3 degen for 30 seconds"(80% of the time).
You say it doesn't "make or break a build". Elites should. Sure, it has a cute effect if you ignore the recharge. But hey, if you want to ignore recharge, Feast of Corruption is 10 times better.
Just compare its effect to what Spoil Victor does.
jrk247
Well I guess the main point of LT is so I don't have to spam Life Siphon on up to 3 targets to get the same regen back. And LS is 10 energy as opposed to LT which is 5. I know the recharge sucks, but my build is mainly for spiking down foes one at a time, if I want AoE I'll just go SS. Reaper's Mark works well if you sub it in instead of LT but I like LT because it makes the spike go quicker especially if there is a sin or crazed wamo trying to kill me. If it's interrupted I just cast LS instead and the spike takes a bit longer but not much longer. And by the time one foe has died LT is usually recharged.
ArKaiN
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Originally Posted by jrk247
Well I guess the main point of LT is so I don't have to spam Life Siphon on up to 3 targets to get the same regen back. And LS is 10 energy as opposed to LT which is 5. I know the recharge sucks, but my build is mainly for spiking down foes one at a time, if I want AoE I'll just go SS. Reaper's Mark works well if you sub it in instead of LT but I like LT because it makes the spike go quicker especially if there is a sin or crazed wamo trying to kill me. If it's interrupted I just cast LS instead and the spike takes a bit longer but not much longer. And by the time one foe has died LT is usually recharged.
I'm not arguing favorably to ANY kind of Blood-based degen. I personally use toxic shock, which actually kills people, as opposed to having them spot YOU and kill you. Please don't say +8 regen at armor 60 is enough to tank.
Also, spiking means you do damage. You were thinking of "high degen", not spike. Any kind of halfway decent regeneration and/or healing will counter your wooping 12 seconds of degen. If you want to spike, use vampiric bite/touch. repeatedly. Btw, no matter what you use, if a crazy wammo/sin is on you, you're not safe with your build at all(unless they cant interrupt, daze, knockdown or, well, hit you).
LT needs a recharge of 20 to even be usable. 12s/30s at 16 is freaking pathetic.
Btw> Reaper's mark at soul reaping 14= 5x2x30=300dmg total every 10 seconds
Life transfer at blood magic 16= 8x12x2= 192dmg total every 30 seconds
Also, spiking means you do damage. You were thinking of "high degen", not spike. Any kind of halfway decent regeneration and/or healing will counter your wooping 12 seconds of degen. If you want to spike, use vampiric bite/touch. repeatedly. Btw, no matter what you use, if a crazy wammo/sin is on you, you're not safe with your build at all(unless they cant interrupt, daze, knockdown or, well, hit you).
LT needs a recharge of 20 to even be usable. 12s/30s at 16 is freaking pathetic.
Btw> Reaper's mark at soul reaping 14= 5x2x30=300dmg total every 10 seconds
Life transfer at blood magic 16= 8x12x2= 192dmg total every 30 seconds
Dr Strangelove
Life transfer is probably the worst necro elite, I really don't understand why it's so popular. In terms of healing for you, it's like healing breeze on 30s recharge that has a chance of ending early. In terms of damage, it's 192 damage every 30 seconds. Pretty much every spell in the game, forgetting elites, does more than that.
Also, degen is not a spike. Spikes are when you compress enough damage to kill someone into a very short timeframe, say 1-2 seconds at most. If an enemy monk can't react to a 12 second spike, they're probably in a fairly deep coma.
Life transfer needs around a 15 second recharge before it's even worth looking at.
Also, degen is not a spike. Spikes are when you compress enough damage to kill someone into a very short timeframe, say 1-2 seconds at most. If an enemy monk can't react to a 12 second spike, they're probably in a fairly deep coma.
Life transfer needs around a 15 second recharge before it's even worth looking at.
jrk247
I really don't care if it's the best or the worst, I was just trying to help the OP out by posting a build I use. So please stop trying to flame everything that isn't to your liking.
Oh BTW this is the PvE section so I'd like to know when PvE monks got so smart? Other than HM I'd like to know.
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Ok since everyone so far on this thread has told me LT sucks I decided to test out Reaper's Mark again.
Blood: 15 (12 + 3)
SR: 14 (12 + 1 + 1)
Rest in w/e.
[skill]Reaper's Mark[/skill][skill]Shadow Strike[/skill][skill]Jaundiced Gaze[/skill][skill]Blood of the Aggressor[/skill][skill]Vampiric Gaze[/skill][skill]Signet of Sorrow[/skill][skill]Signet of Lost Souls[/skill][skill]Mending Touch[/skill]
@ 14 SR RM does -5 degen and has a 14 energy return added with the normal energy gain from SR and SoLS you get a total of 37 energy when a foe dies. Sig of Sorrow has good damage the recharge sucks unless a foe is by a corpse or has a dead pet, then you are spamming 71 damage as fast as it will let you. Mending Touch is there just for the condition removal really, it can be switched for a rez as can Sig of Sorrow. I've only tested this build in AB so far, it works well once you are done killing someone you can go right to the next foe.
Oh BTW this is the PvE section so I'd like to know when PvE monks got so smart? Other than HM I'd like to know.
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Ok since everyone so far on this thread has told me LT sucks I decided to test out Reaper's Mark again.
Blood: 15 (12 + 3)
SR: 14 (12 + 1 + 1)
Rest in w/e.
[skill]Reaper's Mark[/skill][skill]Shadow Strike[/skill][skill]Jaundiced Gaze[/skill][skill]Blood of the Aggressor[/skill][skill]Vampiric Gaze[/skill][skill]Signet of Sorrow[/skill][skill]Signet of Lost Souls[/skill][skill]Mending Touch[/skill]
@ 14 SR RM does -5 degen and has a 14 energy return added with the normal energy gain from SR and SoLS you get a total of 37 energy when a foe dies. Sig of Sorrow has good damage the recharge sucks unless a foe is by a corpse or has a dead pet, then you are spamming 71 damage as fast as it will let you. Mending Touch is there just for the condition removal really, it can be switched for a rez as can Sig of Sorrow. I've only tested this build in AB so far, it works well once you are done killing someone you can go right to the next foe.
ArKaiN
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I really don't care if it's the best or the worst, I was just trying to help the OP out by posting a build I use. So please stop trying to flame everything that isn't to your liking.
Don't you just love it how this post goes "You flamers, just because you guys don't like Life Transfer and have proven mathematically that it blows, doesn't mean I won't use it!"- then he posts a build with Reaper's Mark.
Btw, if you want to talk PvE only, the Life Transfer is definitely the worst necro elite in the game.
Anyway, if you're running Reaper's Mark run some other degen curses with it to make the degen worthwhile. Even if you decide not to, Parasitic Bond is an awesome cover hex, and it adds another -1 on top of the very good (and in this we all agree now, apparently) -5/30seconds Mark gives ya.
Btw, if you want to talk PvE only, the Life Transfer is definitely the worst necro elite in the game.
Anyway, if you're running Reaper's Mark run some other degen curses with it to make the degen worthwhile. Even if you decide not to, Parasitic Bond is an awesome cover hex, and it adds another -1 on top of the very good (and in this we all agree now, apparently) -5/30seconds Mark gives ya.
jrk247
Yes LT sucks it wouldn't be so bad if the recharge wasn't so long but it is ATM. With Reaper's Mark you can cast it on just about all nearby foes if you aren't under attack. RM is awesome if no one has a hex removal and it's funny to see players try to remove it with condition removers.
And I wouldn't say LT is the worst necro elite in the game, that would probably be [skill]Ravenous Gaze[/skill].
And I wouldn't say LT is the worst necro elite in the game, that would probably be [skill]Ravenous Gaze[/skill].
madman24749
Life transfer is awesome because it gives regen + degen for a cheap energy cost and good recharge
Also for healing breeze you have to put heaps of points in healing and it won't improve your damage...
With life transfer because it's in blood magic you can put heaps of points in blood magic and look WOW! Other damaging spells will become more effective, you gain other healing spells + again you have a degen/regen spell
Life Transfer is awesome in PvP
Ravenous Gaze is definitely the worst necro elite...
I havnt seen anyone use it yet
Also for healing breeze you have to put heaps of points in healing and it won't improve your damage...
With life transfer because it's in blood magic you can put heaps of points in blood magic and look WOW! Other damaging spells will become more effective, you gain other healing spells + again you have a degen/regen spell
Life Transfer is awesome in PvP
Ravenous Gaze is definitely the worst necro elite...
I havnt seen anyone use it yet
jrk247
Life Transfer is good, but the recharge sucks. Hopfully in the next couple of skill updates (whenever that will be) Anet can reduce the recharge and maybe increase the energy cost so it's balanced. But I doubt they will do anything with it.
ArKaiN
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Originally Posted by madman24749
Life transfer is awesome because it gives regen + degen for a cheap energy cost and good recharge
Also for healing breeze you have to put heaps of points in healing and it won't improve your damage...
With life transfer because it's in blood magic you can put heaps of points in blood magic and look WOW! Other damaging spells will become more effective, you gain other healing spells + again you have a degen/regen spell
Life Transfer is awesome in PvP
Ravenous Gaze is definitely the worst necro elite...
I havnt seen anyone use it yet Yeah and wow! read the rest of the thread before posting, its one page long.
Also for healing breeze you have to put heaps of points in healing and it won't improve your damage...
With life transfer because it's in blood magic you can put heaps of points in blood magic and look WOW! Other damaging spells will become more effective, you gain other healing spells + again you have a degen/regen spell
Life Transfer is awesome in PvP
Ravenous Gaze is definitely the worst necro elite...
I havnt seen anyone use it yet Yeah and wow! read the rest of the thread before posting, its one page long.
ZenRgy
30 seconds is not a good recharge.
LifeInfusion
I like it. I think the synergy between the Cultist's Fervor and life steals is nice.
Might want to reconsider Unholy feast, since it is PBAOE...
No comment on Life transfer & Ravenous Gaze as they have not been on my bar ever since I capped them.
Might want to reconsider Unholy feast, since it is PBAOE...
No comment on Life transfer & Ravenous Gaze as they have not been on my bar ever since I capped them.
Cebe
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Originally Posted by LifeInfusion
I like it. I think the synergy between the Cultist's Fervor and life steals is nice.
Might want to reconsider Unholy feast, since it is PBAOE...
No comment on Life transfer & Ravenous Gaze as they have not been on my bar ever since I capped them. Thanks for bringing this thread back on-topic
I was unsure of Unholy Feast, though I crafted myself some new armor for this build with no health bonuses or vigor, so I have 400 health or so. THings tend to go for me from time to time, like Jade Armors in Thunderhead Keep, or White Mantle Knights. Also when I was in ab it was abother useful skill to use when sins / warriors decided to try to take me down. The build did kill a fair few sins 1-on-1 by the way...which I'm quite proud of. I'd considered switching out unholy feast for something but I'm not sure what. Perhaps Blood Renewal is worth looking into?
Might want to reconsider Unholy feast, since it is PBAOE...
No comment on Life transfer & Ravenous Gaze as they have not been on my bar ever since I capped them. Thanks for bringing this thread back on-topic
I was unsure of Unholy Feast, though I crafted myself some new armor for this build with no health bonuses or vigor, so I have 400 health or so. THings tend to go for me from time to time, like Jade Armors in Thunderhead Keep, or White Mantle Knights. Also when I was in ab it was abother useful skill to use when sins / warriors decided to try to take me down. The build did kill a fair few sins 1-on-1 by the way...which I'm quite proud of. I'd considered switching out unholy feast for something but I'm not sure what. Perhaps Blood Renewal is worth looking into?
Pick Me
Have you thought about the old combo:
enfeebling blood + insidious parasite?
Life stealing is life stealing, regardless of where you get it.
enfeebling blood + insidious parasite?
Life stealing is life stealing, regardless of where you get it.
ArKaiN
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Have you thought about the old combo:
enfeebling blood + insidious parasite?
Life stealing is life stealing, regardless of where you get it. The man's clearly allergic to other lines of necromancing, or he wouldn't be using stuff like vampiric gaze. I mean, why pick off target by target when you can Arcane Echo SS, cast it on two or three dudes and watch TV while the mob disintegrates itself?
enfeebling blood + insidious parasite?
Life stealing is life stealing, regardless of where you get it. The man's clearly allergic to other lines of necromancing, or he wouldn't be using stuff like vampiric gaze. I mean, why pick off target by target when you can Arcane Echo SS, cast it on two or three dudes and watch TV while the mob disintegrates itself?
LifeInfusion
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Thanks for bringing this thread back on-topic
I was unsure of Unholy Feast, though I crafted myself some new armor for this build with no health bonuses or vigor, so I have 400 health or so. THings tend to go for me from time to time, like Jade Armors in Thunderhead Keep, or White Mantle Knights. Also when I was in ab it was abother useful skill to use when sins / warriors decided to try to take me down. The build did kill a fair few sins 1-on-1 by the way...which I'm quite proud of. I'd considered switching out unholy feast for something but I'm not sure what. Perhaps Blood Renewal is worth looking into? Uh for PvE... get the best skill ever, RES
Juandiced gaze is probably the best bet in other cases since it gives you the life steal most of the time in hard mode.
As for the armor bonus, I wouldn't run any vitae runes or survivor insignias, since it makes the sacrifice more costly. I would probably use +armor mods that help mitigate the damage you take from physical and elemental mobs (probably physical given your playstyle in the aforementioned quote).
I was unsure of Unholy Feast, though I crafted myself some new armor for this build with no health bonuses or vigor, so I have 400 health or so. THings tend to go for me from time to time, like Jade Armors in Thunderhead Keep, or White Mantle Knights. Also when I was in ab it was abother useful skill to use when sins / warriors decided to try to take me down. The build did kill a fair few sins 1-on-1 by the way...which I'm quite proud of. I'd considered switching out unholy feast for something but I'm not sure what. Perhaps Blood Renewal is worth looking into? Uh for PvE... get the best skill ever, RES
Juandiced gaze is probably the best bet in other cases since it gives you the life steal most of the time in hard mode.
As for the armor bonus, I wouldn't run any vitae runes or survivor insignias, since it makes the sacrifice more costly. I would probably use +armor mods that help mitigate the damage you take from physical and elemental mobs (probably physical given your playstyle in the aforementioned quote).
Cebe
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Originally Posted by ArKaiN
I apologise whole heartedly if I want to use a line of magic you find inferior and perhaps try out some other skills. I'm laughing at "Clearly Allergic". I played with Spiteful Spirit and Feast of Corruption for a very long time and now it's time to try out a different line of magic...you know...FOR A CHANGE. Kinda braked the monotony of casting the same skill over and over and over and over and over. Sure SS owns...but PvE can be beaten by an W/E using Meteor Shower if that's the way you choose to play the game...it doesn't require a specific build that you approve.
If you don't approve of my build...umm...too bad?
Quote: Originally Posted by LifeInfusion Uh for PvE... get the best skill ever, RES I would when I play with humans. Resurrect isn't required with heroes / hench
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Originally Posted by LifeInfusion
As for the armor bonus, I wouldn't run any vitae runes or survivor insignias, since it makes the sacrifice more costly. I would probably use +armor mods that help mitigate the damage you take from physical and elemental mobs (probably physical given your playstyle in the aforementioned quote).
I thought I mentioned my armor in the OP, maybe I didn't...I'm using +10 armor with the increase in light damage.
Muspellsheimr
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Originally Posted by madman24749
Life transfer is awesome because it gives regen + degen for a cheap energy cost and good recharge
Also for healing breeze you have to put heaps of points in healing and it won't improve your damage... With life transfer because it's in blood magic you can put heaps of points in blood magic and look WOW! Other damaging spells will become more effective, you gain other healing spells + again you have a degen/regen spell Life Transfer is awesome in PvP Ravenous Gaze is definitely the worst necro elite... I havnt seen anyone use it yet Yes, Life Transfer is a great elite - IF you are playing in random arena's. The people there are usualy morons that panic if they have heavy degen on them for more than 2 seconds, and the monks can almost never counter anything. Personaly, I think Ravenous Gaze is slightly better than Life Transfer - I tested out for a grand total of 10 minutes - twice what I ever used Life Transfer. As for the build - have not done any testing yet, but I think your orriginal build looks good, but I would put in a res, and drop Unholy Feast in favor of something else - in this case, I would probably choose Life Syphon or enchantment removal. ArKaiN
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Originally Posted by Celestial Beaver
Captain Cookie Cutter strikes again.
I apologise whole heartedly if I want to use a line of magic you find inferior and perhaps try out some other skills. I'm laughing at "Clearly Allergic". I played with Spiteful Spirit and Feast of Corruption for a very long time and now it's time to try out a different line of magic...you know...FOR A CHANGE. Kinda braked the monotony of casting the same skill over and over and over and over and over. Sure SS owns...but PvE can be beaten by an W/E using Meteor Shower if that's the way you choose to play the game...it doesn't require a specific build that you approve. If you don't approve of my build...umm...too bad? I thought I mentioned my armor in the OP, maybe I didn't...I'm using +10 armor with the increase in light damage. Geeze relax, I'm not saying its a bad thing to think outside the box, I'm just saying SS builds are better than the one you put up. Is that an Insult? I think not. I'm all for using crazy builds, but the man sugested insidious parasite+enf blood, which are typically in SS builds.
Dr Strangelove
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Originally Posted by Celestial Beaver
Captain Cookie Cutter strikes again.
I apologise whole heartedly if I want to use a line of magic you find inferior and perhaps try out some other skills. I'm laughing at "Clearly Allergic". I played with Spiteful Spirit and Feast of Corruption for a very long time and now it's time to try out a different line of magic...you know...FOR A CHANGE. Kinda braked the monotony of casting the same skill over and over and over and over and over. Sure SS owns...but PvE can be beaten by an W/E using Meteor Shower if that's the way you choose to play the game...it doesn't require a specific build that you approve. I actually really like the idea of a cultist's fervor AoE blood guy in hard mode. With the insanely high AL of many monsters (Jade armor and white mantle knights, I'm looking at you) you get really good value out of the life stealing. Cursers in hard mode are really more about shutting down the enemy offense than nuking mobs with SS. Things just don't like to stay in nice, neat packs for SS to beat the crap out of them. However, curses has really nice stuff like reckless haste an enfeebling blood that makes all that nasty melee damage not matter anymore. That being said, I hope you're not proposing running W/E meteor shower power attackers just because you'll probably win anyway. Builds should be effective first, and about looking at pretty skills second. For instance, I think dark bomber builds are about the most fun thing in the world, but recognize that they're quite often not that effective, and thus don't run them everywhere.
Cebe
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Originally Posted by Dr Strangelove
That being said, I hope you're not proposing running W/E meteor shower power attackers just because you'll probably win anyway. Builds should be effective first, and about looking at pretty skills second. For instance, I think dark bomber builds are about the most fun thing in the world, but recognize that they're quite often not that effective, and thus don't run them everywhere.
HAHAA, no, I would never take Meteor Shower on my warrior...it was purely an example to demonstrate you don't need the most optimal build for normal PvE. I hadn't thought about it's hard mode applications though, Lifesteal would indeed rock there...not that I planned on taking my necro into Hard Mode...but it's something to consider.
ZenRgy
Until you get rocked by all the melee enemies hitting 80s.
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