Poll:Should ANet temp ban spammers?
Commander Ryker
Just as the title says. All it takes is a simple yes or no. We don't need to argue this in 2 threads, so save your thoughts/comments for this thread, http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...156967&page=15
Bryant Again
No they shouldn't. Just give them a couple hour ban at most. And at least, make it so they can't talk in the Local chat for 30 minutes.
Edit: I actually cannot vote because we don't know Ryker's definition of "temp-ban", or how long this temp-ban is.
Edit: I actually cannot vote because we don't know Ryker's definition of "temp-ban", or how long this temp-ban is.
Raiin Maker
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Originally Posted by Bryant Again
No they shouldn't. Just give them a couple hour ban at most. And at least, make it so they can't talk in the Local chat for 30 minutes.
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I think for people who progressively spam, non-stop they should. However normal people do have to repeat their message to get themselves heard.
Etta
Yes. Do it! Should have been done a long time ago.
Patrick Smit
For clarity it should be stated what they spam, as there can be people "spamming" guild proposals, begging, and other stuff besides buying. Or should it relate to all repetitive messaging with little to no time in between the messages?
IMO should spamming in other channels be suppressed as well, in accordance with the EULA.
IMO should spamming in other channels be suppressed as well, in accordance with the EULA.
rohara
no...banning people for spamming is just a lazy way of dealing with the trade problem 
if they keep doing this, i expect them to start banning leechers as well. they're much more hurtful to others' gameplay then spammers. spammers can be shut out by turning off the trade channels.
if they keep doing this, i expect them to start banning leechers as well. they're much more hurtful to others' gameplay then spammers. spammers can be shut out by turning off the trade channels.
Sophitia Leafblade
Yep they should, alot of people get annoyed with all the spam especially trade or recruiting spam, i would consider messaging the same (or near identical) message every 20 seconds or less as spam(this includes changing district or town)
Thats very much not true, most trade spammer dont even use the trade channel they use the local channel, so u avoid them u have to shut off local chat to whihc cuts off communication with all other non party/guild/alliance players.
ITs about time people relised that its nto a good thing to send the same message 10 times in the space of 5 seconds, you doing this causes more people to do it to stop their chat from being "swallowed" up by ur stream of messages. It also causes alot of other people who dont spam to never get noticed.
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Originally Posted by rohara
spammers can be shut out by turning off the trade channels.
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ITs about time people relised that its nto a good thing to send the same message 10 times in the space of 5 seconds, you doing this causes more people to do it to stop their chat from being "swallowed" up by ur stream of messages. It also causes alot of other people who dont spam to never get noticed.
frickett
As things are now. I am not sure, Standing around yelling "who wants this?" is currently the only way people have to sell things. (I merch everything because i cant be bothered to stand around Hawking my warez...The npc's might have time to stand around, but I got monsters to slay) I think arenanet should give us an auction house, and then temp ban people for spamming if it continues.
Renegade26
No. Just because other people play differently to me and enjoy to trade does not mean that they should be punished.
Sophitia Leafblade
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Originally Posted by frickett
As things are now. I am not sure, Standing around yelling "who wants this?" is currently the only way people have to sell things. (I merch everything because i cant be bothered to stand around Hawking my warez...The npc's might have time to stand around, but I got monsters to slay) I think arenanet should give us an auction house, and then temp ban people for spamming if it continues.
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TheRaven
I voted Yes, but I really think the poll needs more choices.
1. Temp ban local chat spammers only
2. Temp ban all spammers even those that use trade channel.
3. No ban, but remove chat privileges on Local/Trade channels for 1 day.
4. No punishment at all.
1. Temp ban local chat spammers only
2. Temp ban all spammers even those that use trade channel.
3. No ban, but remove chat privileges on Local/Trade channels for 1 day.
4. No punishment at all.
Etta
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Originally Posted by Renegade26
No. Just because other people play differently to me and enjoy to trade does not mean that they should be punished.
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Commander Ryker
Please everyone, direct your comments to the thread linked in my OP. We really don't need 2 threads dedicated to this discussion.
Bryant Again
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Originally Posted by Raiin Maker
A couple hour ban is a temp ban, just a short one.
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Aera Lure
I voted yes. Hell yes. With a few caveats though:
This is kind of what the All channel is for, in addition to LFG sorts of things and general use, not that I am terribly fond of begging. I dont see a problem though with much of these sorts of things.
This is the main thing in question for me. This is "spamming." The things above as well as WTS/WTB etc arent spamming in and of themselves. This sort of abuse:
WTS Lockpicks 1.3k!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
WTS Lockpicks 1.3k!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
WTS Lockpicks 1.3k!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
WTS Lockpicks 1.3k!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
WTS Lockpicks 1.3k!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
WTS Lockpicks 1.3k!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Showing up on All channel in rapid succession like that is someone badly in need of a temp ban and a little self control.
I have less of a problem with a single line of that showing up once in a while on the All channel (even though it doesnt belong there) as well as that showing up in rapid succession spam style on the Trade channel (where it belongs, even though it was spammed), but spamming those kinds of things on the All channel is where I cast my vote for warranted temp bans. Same for rapid succession use of other "advertisements" on All channel, but we usually see the problem at its worst as regards simply item sales.
If people dont like temp bans (though this is what I support) then make it the disablng of All and/or Trade channel (public channels) for a set period of time. The person could continue to play, but would be forced to cool their heels a little bit until they got the idea. Maybe this is the solution for first and/or second time offenders, with a temp ban to follow if they keep it up.
I'll settle simply for the most egregious case, as described above. I dont think Anet needs to police it to the letter, but rapid succession out of context sales-related spam on the All channel has no place.
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Originally Posted by Patrick Smit
For clarity it should be stated what they spam, as there can be people "spamming" guild proposals, begging, and other stuff besides buying.
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Originally Posted by Patrick Smit
Or should it relate to all repetitive messaging with little to no time in between the messages?
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WTS Lockpicks 1.3k!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
WTS Lockpicks 1.3k!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
WTS Lockpicks 1.3k!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
WTS Lockpicks 1.3k!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
WTS Lockpicks 1.3k!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
WTS Lockpicks 1.3k!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Showing up on All channel in rapid succession like that is someone badly in need of a temp ban and a little self control.
I have less of a problem with a single line of that showing up once in a while on the All channel (even though it doesnt belong there) as well as that showing up in rapid succession spam style on the Trade channel (where it belongs, even though it was spammed), but spamming those kinds of things on the All channel is where I cast my vote for warranted temp bans. Same for rapid succession use of other "advertisements" on All channel, but we usually see the problem at its worst as regards simply item sales.
If people dont like temp bans (though this is what I support) then make it the disablng of All and/or Trade channel (public channels) for a set period of time. The person could continue to play, but would be forced to cool their heels a little bit until they got the idea. Maybe this is the solution for first and/or second time offenders, with a temp ban to follow if they keep it up.
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Originally Posted by Patrick Smit
IMO should spamming in other channels be suppressed as well, in accordance with the EULA.
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toddhd
I voted no. While I hate spamming as much as the next person, I don't think it's a ban-able offense. It makes more sense to me to have ANet simply filter it out. For example, the software should auto filter any repeated messages by a single player, and not display them (within a given time period, 60 seconds for example).
With that being said, I would like to see a player reporting system. It really sucks when people spam the chat channel with recruiting and trade. They should use the trade channel, that's what it is there for. (Ok, so recruitment isn't trade, but its obnoxious anyway). I'd like to be able to report flagrent "repeat offenders". That way, if ANet sees 20 reports on a single individual, maybe they can take action. Of course, this too can be manipulated by ill-meaning people, but its a step.
With that being said, I would like to see a player reporting system. It really sucks when people spam the chat channel with recruiting and trade. They should use the trade channel, that's what it is there for. (Ok, so recruitment isn't trade, but its obnoxious anyway). I'd like to be able to report flagrent "repeat offenders". That way, if ANet sees 20 reports on a single individual, maybe they can take action. Of course, this too can be manipulated by ill-meaning people, but its a step.
Aera Lure
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Originally Posted by toddhd
I voted no. While I hate spamming as much as the next person, I don't think it's a ban-able offense. It makes more sense to me to have ANet simply filter it out. For example, the software should auto filter any repeated messages by a single player, and not display them (within a given time period, 60 seconds for example).
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WTS Lockpicks 1.3k!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [1]
WTS Lockpicks 1.3k!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [2]
WTS Lockpicks 1.3k!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [3]
WTS Lockpicks 1.3k!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [4]
WTS Lockpicks 1.3k!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [5]
WTS Lockpicks 1.3k!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [6]
Then there was the messaging suppression system in place for a while that prevented me from chatting with friends and guildies because I typed too fast for the suppression system lol.
Some sort of auto-suppression system in use on the All channel for repeated messages and abuse would be fine by me, if it actually worked. I still think people that really abuse it need a time out, just like the do in hockey.
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Originally Posted by toddhd
With that being said, I would like to see a player reporting system. It really sucks when people spam the chat channel with recruiting and trade. They should use the trade channel, that's what it is there for. (Ok, so recruitment isn't trade, but its obnoxious anyway). I'd like to be able to report flagrent "repeat offenders". That way, if ANet sees 20 reports on a single individual, maybe they can take action. Of course, this too can be manipulated by ill-meaning people, but its a step.
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Reporting system, well, I would envision it taking too much management to fact check, ease of players reporting for no good reason etc, people getting reported and maybe banned for not having done anything at all. Its a can of worms in the making, I think. Not that I know how Anet would get around to temp banning spammers, but the topic wasnt how but rather if.
Bryant Again
But Aera, how long should they be temp-banned?
This thread poll is almost as specific as asking "Should people be punished for doing something bad?" The answer is no duh, of course they should! What matters is how they are punished. Same goes for this poll. It's how LONG they are temp-banned that matters, not just being temp-banned.
I'm saying this, as I've already stated, because I'm in support of temp-banning but only for 2 hours at the MOST. Ryker's definition of a temp-ban could be totally different, so therefore I cannot vote on it.
This thread poll is almost as specific as asking "Should people be punished for doing something bad?" The answer is no duh, of course they should! What matters is how they are punished. Same goes for this poll. It's how LONG they are temp-banned that matters, not just being temp-banned.
I'm saying this, as I've already stated, because I'm in support of temp-banning but only for 2 hours at the MOST. Ryker's definition of a temp-ban could be totally different, so therefore I cannot vote on it.
Sophitia Leafblade
I say +1 day per infraction, so it once and get a 24 hour ban, do it again after and u get a 48 hour ban
Aera Lure
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Originally Posted by Bryant Again
But Aera, how long should they be temp-banned?
This thread poll is almost as specific as asking "Should people be punished for doing something bad?" The answer is no duh, of course they should! What matters is how they are punished. Same goes for this poll. It's how LONG they are temp-banned that matters, not just being temp-banned. I'm saying this, as I've already stated, because I'm in support of temp-banning but only for 2 hours at the MOST. Ryker's definition of a temp-ban could be totally different, so therefore I cannot vote on it. |
Sir Skullcrasher
YES
YES
YES
YES
YES
YES
YES
*ban sir skull for spamming* lol
I approve of this action since spammers are getting on my nerves!
YES
YES
YES
YES
YES
YES
*ban sir skull for spamming* lol
I approve of this action since spammers are getting on my nerves!
Commander Ryker
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Originally Posted by Bryant Again
If that's the case then this poll will need to be more specific, Ryker. Example: I am in support of a temp ban of an hour. I am not in support of a temp ban of 72.
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Malice Black
No.
Perma ban.
Perma ban.
TwinRaven
Local chat is for spamming LFG
Trade chat is for spamming WTB WTS
don't like spam? pick another district
need to spam to sell stuff? use the auction house...uh....whoops! nvm
Trade chat is for spamming WTB WTS
don't like spam? pick another district
need to spam to sell stuff? use the auction house...uh....whoops! nvm
aaje vhanli
Yes .
Bryant Again
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Originally Posted by Commander Ryker
That is not what I was looking for. I just wanted to know if people were in favor of it, yes or no. How long isn't up to us, it's up to ANet.
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Heavy Chaos Master
Yes temp ban them, hate trade spammers in normal chat
aaje vhanli
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Originally Posted by Bryant Again
If that's the case, then I see no reason not to ban them. They broke the rules, they should receive punishment. Simple as that.
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gene terrodon
I agree with Aera Lure...
The obvious abuse of the chat system should be one of the reasons as well as context.
I would like to see Anet expand the suppression they use now.
First time....30 secs
Second Time...2 min 30 secs
Third Time...12 min 30secs
Fourth Time...62 min 30 secs
Fifth Time...5hrs 12 min 30 secs
Anytime after 5...24 hrs
With the stipulation that the ban is for all chat except Guild and Team
The obvious abuse of the chat system should be one of the reasons as well as context.
I would like to see Anet expand the suppression they use now.
First time....30 secs
Second Time...2 min 30 secs
Third Time...12 min 30secs
Fourth Time...62 min 30 secs
Fifth Time...5hrs 12 min 30 secs
Anytime after 5...24 hrs
With the stipulation that the ban is for all chat except Guild and Team
Tempy
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Originally Posted by rohara
no...banning people for spamming is just a lazy way of dealing with the trade problem
if they keep doing this, i expect them to start banning leechers as well. they're much more hurtful to others' gameplay then spammers. spammers can be shut out by turning off the trade channels. |
isamu kurosawa
I say spammers should get a mute (cant use local or trade chat) for at least 30 mins and those trading in local should recieve a 72 hour ban, with repeat offenders getting longer and tougher punnishments.
Or for first time offenders, give them a warning in the form of a system message. If they give the excuse they didn't see it because trade spam forced it off screen to fast then they can't deny what they are doing is causing a problem.
Or for first time offenders, give them a warning in the form of a system message. If they give the excuse they didn't see it because trade spam forced it off screen to fast then they can't deny what they are doing is causing a problem.
Sir Skullcrasher
Screw it, jail sentence and life time ban from ever using a computer!! 
Swift Thief
No ban, but a mute, for like a day or two. Ban is overkill.
Alvarez
If it's a temp. ban for a few hours, absolutely.
sixdartbart
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Originally Posted by Commander Ryker
[FONT="Comic Sans MS"]Just as the title says. All it takes is a simple yes or no.
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Yes if it is you and no if it is me.
On second thought I would never do such a thing so just Yes...
Tarun
No. It won't solve anything; just make things worse and piss off more and more of the community.
Replicant
No other way of selling besides fansite auction/forums?
If there was an Auctionhouse or other means to sell maybe. but temp banning over selling an item is retarded.
If there was an Auctionhouse or other means to sell maybe. but temp banning over selling an item is retarded.
Aera Lure
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No other way of selling besides fansite auction/forums?
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Kool Pajamas
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This thread is for the ALL channel not any other channel. Spamming in trade channel while still being a bit rude isnt anywhere near the same as the all channel.
This thread is for the ALL channel not any other channel. Spamming in trade channel while still being a bit rude isnt anywhere near the same as the all channel.
aaje vhanli
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Originally Posted by Tarun
No. It won't solve anything; just make things worse and piss off more and more of the community.
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