yeah, this poll doesn't have enough choices, because there isn't just one chat channel. Please remake it.
kool: I don't see it mentioned in the first post that this is for the ALL channel, do you speak for him?
Poll:Should ANet temp ban spammers?
VitisVinifera
Patrick Smit
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For the rest I think we completely agree on what should or can be done against it
Kool Pajamas
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yeah, this poll doesn't have enough choices, because there isn't just one chat channel. Please remake it.
kool: I don't see it mentioned in the first post that this is for the ALL channel, do you speak for him? |
"View Poll Results: Should ANet temp ban spammers in all chat?"
ALL CHAT
And this poll is in response to a player that got banned from spamming in all chat. I dont really like people spamming in trade chat either but its easy to just click it off. All chat is NOT meant for people spamming especially wts/wtb. Thats what the trade channel is for. All chat is supposed to be for conversation for everybody. Abusing that should get some type of punishment.
Etta
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No. It won't solve anything; just make things worse and piss off more and more of the community.
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Stormcloud
Yes. Simply yes. There is a trade chat for a reason. Excuses like "we dont have an auction house, so we must abuse local chat" does not fly.
Honestly folks, people who want to buy something have their trade chat on. The ones who turn it off are not generally looking to buy anything so why annoy them with all the garbage?
Honestly folks, people who want to buy something have their trade chat on. The ones who turn it off are not generally looking to buy anything so why annoy them with all the garbage?
Yol
I started playing GW just over a year ago, and I'm sure I remember there used to be a "message suppressed" feature in the chat box if you posted too many messages on any channel in a certain period of time. Is there any way this feature could be adapted and re-introduced?
Commander Ryker
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But it's not a simple yes or no.
Yes if it is you and no if it is me.  On second thought I would never do such a thing so just Yes... |
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No. It won't solve anything; just make things worse and piss off more and more of the community.
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Remember though, its not temp banning over selling an item... Its temp banning over abusive, repetitive spamming of sales related activities on the All channel. Think most of us frown on sales on the All channel, but we arent even talking about that. Not only is it on the wrong channel, its multiple line repitition in quantity is what we're looking at. Fundamentally nothing at all to do with or without an Auction House.
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reetkever
I vote no. Ban is just too much. I say bring back the spam-filter 'like in the past (If you spam, your messages won't appear anymore).
Also, !All Chat is needed for trading, since else too many people would be posting in Trade Chat. (Imagine everyone posting 1 message, and 30 people in a district... But with trading, everyone must spam messages, cause else someone else pushes your message out of sight.)
Also, since All has a different colour, people use it so their message stands out between all the pink trade chat. And what stands out will be looked at sooner, and there is more chance someone buys the item.
People will always make use of this technique, no matter what.
Also, !All Chat is needed for trading, since else too many people would be posting in Trade Chat. (Imagine everyone posting 1 message, and 30 people in a district... But with trading, everyone must spam messages, cause else someone else pushes your message out of sight.)
Also, since All has a different colour, people use it so their message stands out between all the pink trade chat. And what stands out will be looked at sooner, and there is more chance someone buys the item.
People will always make use of this technique, no matter what.
korcan
no i do not think people should be banned for spamming.
the people over at anet realise that their in-game trading system is broke so it would be plain stupid for them to punish spammers for a short-coming in their game.
if you want a decrease in spam, ask anet for further "trade improvements".
i think the following tweaks to the existing trade window would help.
i. increase character limit
ii. have the trade window linked to all major outposts
iii. messages in trade window are saved for a specific length of time without your presence in that town.
the people over at anet realise that their in-game trading system is broke so it would be plain stupid for them to punish spammers for a short-coming in their game.
if you want a decrease in spam, ask anet for further "trade improvements".
i think the following tweaks to the existing trade window would help.
i. increase character limit
ii. have the trade window linked to all major outposts
iii. messages in trade window are saved for a specific length of time without your presence in that town.
SotiCoto
People should be banned for at least several days for even typing out "WTS", "WTB" or "LFG" anywhere in Guild Wars.
For actually posting the same message multiple times, reamed full of exclamation marks... flooding the page with it.... A-Net should hire specialists to torture and kill the families of those responsible.
For actually posting the same message multiple times, reamed full of exclamation marks... flooding the page with it.... A-Net should hire specialists to torture and kill the families of those responsible.
Mjhammerman
YES YES YES, 3000 TIMES YES. The have basically ruined the chats in ALL of the towns and outposts, i say GIVE THEM THE BOOT!!!
Commander Ryker
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I vote no. Ban is just too much. I say bring back the spam-filter 'like in the past (If you spam, your messages won't appear anymore).
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Also, !All Chat is needed for trading, since else too many people would be posting in Trade Chat. (Imagine everyone posting 1 message, and 30 people in a district... But with trading, everyone must spam messages, cause else someone else pushes your message out of sight.)
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Lets try looking at it in a different way. ANet starts banning people for spamming, pretty soon no one is spamming. That would just be awesome.
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no i do not think people should be banned for spamming.
if you want a decrease in spam, ask anet for further "trade improvements". i think the following tweaks to the existing trade window would help. i. increase character limit ii. have the trade window linked to all major outposts iii. messages in trade window are saved for a specific length of time without your presence in that town. |
It is against the rules to spam and to advertise selling or buying in any chat but trade or the party search. You think that because you feel the trade system is "broken" the rules don't apply.
I'll agree that the character limit in the party window is......well limited. But in this age of texting and shortcuts, most everyone is good at this, so kpng a msg shrt shld nt be a prblm.
Rather then whine about it, how about you just try and figure out how to use the system we have so that it will work for you. We are not going to get an auction house in GW1, there's no way that they are going to put any resources in that. I'm sure they will probably have an improved system in GW2 and then all you whiners can find something else to piss and moan about.
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the people over at anet realise that their in-game trading system is broke so it would be plain stupid for them to punish spammers for a short-coming in their game.
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korcan
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I'm going to quote myself here, which was a reply to your whine in another thread on the same (more or less) subject.
It is against the rules to spam and to advertise selling or buying in any chat but trade or the party search. You think that because you feel the trade system is "broken" the rules don't apply. I'll agree that the character limit in the party window is......well limited. But in this age of texting and shortcuts, most everyone is good at this, so kpng a msg shrt shld nt be a prblm. Rather then whine about it, how about you just try and figure out how to use the system we have so that it will work for you. We are not going to get an auction house in GW1, there's no way that they are going to put any resources in that. I'm sure they will probably have an improved system in GW2 and then all you whiners can find something else to piss and moan about. I'll tell you what's stupid, that despite the rules against it, people continue to spam in local. If you're going to break the rules, then you're going to have to face the consequences. |
rules against it... if anet thought that it was fair to punish people for spamming their wares in local/trade chat, dont you think more people would be getting banned? the only reason they dont mass ban all the people spamming is because they themselves know that their in-game trading system is broken.
i rarely use the trade channels to sell anything but i understand why people spam it.
if people arent able to wrap their heads around the root cause of all the spam, i feel about as sorry for all of you as i do the people who resort to spamming.
Theus
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Rather then whine about it, how about you just try and figure out how to use the system we have so that it will work for you. We are not going to get an auction house in GW1, there's no way that they are going to put any resources in that. I'm sure they will probably have an improved system in GW2 and then all you whiners can find something else to piss and moan about. |
But,you're allowed to whine about banning spammers simply out of spite?
Right.Way to lose all credibility thar.
IKNOW
Yes.
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Aera Lure
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Wait,He's not allowed to whine about the fact that the lack of a decent trade system is the whole reason we have spammers,and that if we improve the Party Search,the spam will perhaps stop(And even if it doesn't players will then actually support the bannings,since such a system is actually inplace.).
But,you're allowed to whine about banning spammers simply out of spite? Right.Way to lose all credibility thar. |
Lack of an Auction House is not why we have spammers. Lack of an Auction House is why we have Trade channel.
Spamming is the multiple line repitition of the same content repeatedly in succession 3-6+ times in a row in under a few seconds to take up a entire block of chat window space, waiting not too terribly long, and the doing that AGAIN.
Selling/Trading is placing a WTB or WTS on channel, preferably Trade. THAT isnt spamming, provided you do not follow the abhorrent example above and simply give it time to breathe before you repeat that line.
Not having an Auction House does not cause spamming as defined above. Immaturity and impatience and lack of care do.
Theus
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Wrong. So wrong. And no I am not picking on you. This argument comes up a lot.
Lack of an Auction House is not why we have spammers. Lack of an Auction House is why we have Trade channel. Spamming is the multiple line repitition of the same content repeatedly in succession 3-6+ times in a row in under a few seconds to take up a entire block of chat window space, waiting not too terribly long, and the doing that AGAIN. Selling/Trading is placing a WTB or WTS on channel, preferably Trade. THAT isnt spamming, provided you do not follow the abhorrent example above and simply give it time to breathe before you repeat that line. Not having an Auction House does not cause spamming as defined above. Immaturity and impatience and lack of care do. |
Read my post..would you like to explain exactly where I uttered the words, "Auction House"?
Cause all I see in my post is that Anet should improve on the Party Search by simply increasing the Character limit.
I know for a fact that an Auction house will never be ingame.But that doesn't mean its going to take a serious metric f*ckton of resources to up the limit of characters in Party Search.
korcan
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Wrong. So wrong. And no I am not picking on you. This argument comes up a lot.
Lack of an Auction House is not why we have spammers. Lack of an Auction House is why we have Trade channel. Spamming is the multiple line repitition of the same content repeatedly in succession 3-6+ times in a row in under a few seconds to take up a entire block of chat window space, waiting not too terribly long, and the doing that AGAIN. Selling/Trading is placing a WTB or WTS on channel, preferably Trade. THAT isnt spamming, provided you do not follow the abhorrent example above and simply give it time to breathe before you repeat that line. Not having an Auction House does not cause spamming as defined above. Immaturity and impatience and lack of care do. |
i disagree. not having an adequate trading system, does in fact, lead to all the spam.
if youre trying to sell something in the trade channel and someone decides to super spam the channel with 5-6 consecutive lines of WTS or WTB or whatever else, some other seller will see that their message is no longer visible in the chat channel and will undoubtedly super spam their message to take up 5-6 lines of chat space. this is obviously a viciously cycle that results in uber spam in all channels.
unfortunately, with the amount of people that play this game, not everyone is going to be caring, mature and patient when it comes to the chat channels.
your reason of immaturity, impatience, and lack of care is, unfortunately, the reality in which we have to deal with. and in that reality, a better trading system [not necessarily an auction house] is going to be necessary for any significant decrease in spam.
Aera Lure
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Um..Way to be a bit of a Knee Jerk reaction thar.
Read my post..would you like to explain exactly where I uttered the words, "Auction House"? Cause all I see in my post is that Anet should improve on the Party Search by simply increasing the Character limit. I know for a fact that an Auction house will never be ingame.But that doesn't mean its going to take a serious metric f*ckton of resources to up the limit of characters in Party Search. |
You then go on to berate someone who supported banning of spammers saying its only spite?
I was just reacting to that. Like I said, its not the lack of a "decent trade system" that causes spamming, nor is it a justification for it. Its an argument that's inherently flawed and you seemed to be making it.
Last thing I want to happen is Party Search become flooded with sales-related clutter but rather see it tweaked to render results globally so it can actually be used to unite players in the game trying to do hard mode froma bunch of different localities. But I digress a bit anyway.
Theus
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You mention "lack of a decent trade system" which is the same thing implied as an "Auction House." You go on to say its "fact" that the reason we have spammers is the lack of said "decent trade system" when defending someone who "whined" about not having an Auction House.
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Not some retarded idea of BAN EM' ALL!LEAVE NO SURVIVORS!, that should only be used as a last resort if improving the Party Search doesn't work.I personally don't even understand as to why Party Search was released with a Character limit less than that of chat.But it's Anet so i'm really not surprised.
Aera Lure
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So?I defended him because unlike you,Miss Elite Guru,and a majority of the other posters in this thread, he's actually TRYING to come up with a solution to it.
Not some retarded idea of BAN EM' ALL!LEAVE NO SURVIVORS!, that should only be used as a last resort if improving the Party Search doesn't work.I personally don't even understand as to why Party Search was released with a Character limit less than that of chat.But it's Anet so i'm really not surprised. |
Party Search in this context hasnt anything to do with it. I would like some improvements on Party Search myself, but it hasnt any bearing on whether or not this should be allowed:
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We're all free to act a bit responsibly and WTS and WTB to our heart's content. Most of the banning discussion is regards the most egregious offenders spamming on the All channel with a complete lack of concern for anyone else.
dark_prince2023
I say yes but not for the ungodly amounts of time they do now a few hrs should let people know that the are baddies and don't do it again.
assassin_of_ni
i wouldnt necessarily say "ban" just maybe lock all-chat capabilities temporarily. ALSO just maybe to free up a lil bit of clutter in not only kamadan, la, etc etc places that yeild lots of sellers but also in RA,Ta,HA and whatnot....a guild recruit or even party/guild recruit channel so people dont necessarily hafta use all channel to find groups or guilds...just a thought probably wont happen cause then....what would be the point of all chat? =P
mafia cyborg
yes they should ban.
but it would be easier to just disable copy/paste and buffer read from LOCAL CHAT.
but it would be easier to just disable copy/paste and buffer read from LOCAL CHAT.
mafia cyborg
and banning should be like this:
fisrt offence : 1 week
second offence : 1 month
third ofence : bye bye
fisrt offence : 1 week
second offence : 1 month
third ofence : bye bye
Tannim
I voted no. Spammers should be permanently banned, not only from GW but on all of ANet games (if any others ..). Since there is no trade problem, there's nothing wrong with the trade channel ....
Captain Arne Is PRO
Ban spammers of Local Chat, leave all other forms of chat alone, though.
Tactical-Dillusions
Anet should delete whatever they are trying to sell.
If buying something, Anet should take a sum of gold.
It is afterall, Anets stuff.
If buying something, Anet should take a sum of gold.
It is afterall, Anets stuff.
Clone
Absolutely not. While the spammers are certianly annoying, any and all resources Anet is spending on trying to police the all chat would be far better spent on DEVELOPING A WORKING AUCTION SYSTEM!!!!
ogre-mage
Banning is far too harsh for this, especially without proper warning. However, I'm tempted to go use my alternate account and spam for a while just to see how long it takes.
In all seriousness though, a BAN should not be put in place for this, and the fact that Anet thinks they can just ban anyone who spams is ridiculous, tyrannical, and dismissive. I paid my 50$+ for the game, and they can't just go banning me for any dumb reason.
Why not just extend the limits of the chat suppression?
Instead of banning from the game for something as normal and offhand as allchat spamming, just ban them from allchat for a few hours (72 hours is not needed). I think eventually they'll get the point, and it's no big whoop.
Using a scare tactic (banning people without warning so that the word will spread around that bans will take place for spamming) is not justified, or reasonable, and it makes me question Anet's ability to properly handle matters that they deem (but I don't necessarily deem) worthy of reform.
In all seriousness though, a BAN should not be put in place for this, and the fact that Anet thinks they can just ban anyone who spams is ridiculous, tyrannical, and dismissive. I paid my 50$+ for the game, and they can't just go banning me for any dumb reason.
Why not just extend the limits of the chat suppression?
Instead of banning from the game for something as normal and offhand as allchat spamming, just ban them from allchat for a few hours (72 hours is not needed). I think eventually they'll get the point, and it's no big whoop.
Using a scare tactic (banning people without warning so that the word will spread around that bans will take place for spamming) is not justified, or reasonable, and it makes me question Anet's ability to properly handle matters that they deem (but I don't necessarily deem) worthy of reform.
darkknightkain
Warning on first offence, then Ban for repeated offenders.
Seriously, if you want to trade, use the TRADE channel!!! Recently GW even added a neet skeleton of auction house (via Party Search) for trade.
There is no excuse of spamming wtb/wts in all chats.
One or two "oops wrong channel" I can accept anet give them benefit of the doubt, but whoever blasting a "wall" of spams should be banned, period.
Seriously, if you want to trade, use the TRADE channel!!! Recently GW even added a neet skeleton of auction house (via Party Search) for trade.
There is no excuse of spamming wtb/wts in all chats.
One or two "oops wrong channel" I can accept anet give them benefit of the doubt, but whoever blasting a "wall" of spams should be banned, period.
Orphan Anthem
the best way to deal with spammers is to create a WORKING trade/service system that make it pointless to spam trade/service.
After that maybe you should be kicked/temp banned and when you log in/try to log in it says what you did and how to correct it
After that maybe you should be kicked/temp banned and when you log in/try to log in it says what you did and how to correct it
arcanemacabre
I think this poll should have 4 options:
1) Only temp ban people who spam anything in local/all chat
2) Temp ban people who spam anything in local/all or trade chat
3) Temp ban anyone who does trading (spam or not) in local/all chat
4) No temp banning for any of these offenses
1) Only temp ban people who spam anything in local/all chat
2) Temp ban people who spam anything in local/all or trade chat
3) Temp ban anyone who does trading (spam or not) in local/all chat
4) No temp banning for any of these offenses
Patrick Smit
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Banning is far too harsh for this, especially without proper warning. However, I'm tempted to go use my alternate account and spam for a while just to see how long it takes.
In all seriousness though, a BAN should not be put in place for this, and the fact that Anet thinks they can just ban anyone who spams is ridiculous, tyrannical, and dismissive. I paid my 50$+ for the game, and they can't just go banning me for any dumb reason. Why not just extend the limits of the chat suppression? Instead of banning from the game for something as normal and offhand as allchat spamming, just ban them from allchat for a few hours (72 hours is not needed). I think eventually they'll get the point, and it's no big whoop. Using a scare tactic (banning people without warning so that the word will spread around that bans will take place for spamming) is not justified, or reasonable, and it makes me question Anet's ability to properly handle matters that they deem (but I don't necessarily deem) worthy of reform. |
I somehow agree with you that at the first catch you will be warned, and your account "flagged", and that if another violation after this offense this ban will be installed however.
Commander Ryker
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In all seriousness though, a BAN should not be put in place for this, and the fact that Anet thinks they can just ban anyone who spams is ridiculous, tyrannical, and dismissive. I paid my 50$+ for the game, and they can't just go banning me for any dumb reason.
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I paid my $50 too and shouldn't have to turn off an semi important part of the game because you feel that you have a right to ignore the rules because you feel that the trade system is "broken". What about the rights of those who want to use local to chat or search for parties or what ever? If people are looking to buy something, they will turn the trade channel on. If they are not, they are forced to turn off all chat too and that just isn't right.
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Originally Posted by ogre-mage
Using a scare tactic (banning people without warning so that the word will spread around that bans will take place for spamming) is not justified, or reasonable, and it makes me question Anet's ability to properly handle matters that they deem (but I don't necessarily deem) worthy of reform.
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Originally Posted by Orphan Anthem
the best way to deal with spammers is to create a WORKING trade/service system that make it pointless to spam trade/service.
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How is spamming in all chat any better then using the trade channel? The only thing that accomplishes is that people, who aren't looking to buy anything are forced to turn all chat off.
MrTumnus
one radical idea...may be a lil extreme, but just soemthing I was thinking about
Remove all/trade chat altogether.
-If you want to trade, form parties for mission/quests, recruit, use party window
-If you want to chat, go to a separate zone where you can chat just like in all chat and whisper, but you can't open a trade window; you'd have to leave the "pub" area and go to the main area to trade....
Conversely, allow all chat in the main districts but restrict trading to certain zones where people can spam all they want.
I enjoy casual chat as much as the next person, but 95% of all chat now is trade spam, the rest is recruiting and party formation.
Remove all/trade chat altogether.
-If you want to trade, form parties for mission/quests, recruit, use party window
-If you want to chat, go to a separate zone where you can chat just like in all chat and whisper, but you can't open a trade window; you'd have to leave the "pub" area and go to the main area to trade....
Conversely, allow all chat in the main districts but restrict trading to certain zones where people can spam all they want.
I enjoy casual chat as much as the next person, but 95% of all chat now is trade spam, the rest is recruiting and party formation.
Commander Ryker
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one radical idea...may be a lil extreme, but just soemthing I was thinking about
Remove all/trade chat altogether. -If you want to trade, form parties for mission/quests, recruit, use party window -If you want to chat, go to a separate zone where you can chat just like in all chat and whisper, but you can't open a trade window; you'd have to leave the "pub" area and go to the main area to trade.... Conversely, allow all chat in the main districts but restrict trading to certain zones where people can spam all they want. I enjoy casual chat as much as the next person, but 95% of all chat now is trade spam, the rest is recruiting and party formation. |
The only thing that's going to stop spamming is banning people for doing it.
Zappa
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The only thing that's going to stop spamming is banning people for doing it.
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Yes, yes, and you're just the right person to know and tell that.
Bryant Again
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The only thing that's going to stop spamming is banning people for doing it.
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Patrick Smit
Nah that just sucks, they will optimize the "spamming" procedure in such a way that they dont get caught.
The EULA is simple about it, dont use channels wher your stuff doesn't belong and don't repeat messages. If you are unable to implement those rules (after pressure and tempporary bans) set up by the GW host, then u should be not playing the game. It's like if u don't live up to the rules for a drivers licence and safe driving it is rightfull that the police or state revokes your drivers license.
The EULA is simple about it, dont use channels wher your stuff doesn't belong and don't repeat messages. If you are unable to implement those rules (after pressure and tempporary bans) set up by the GW host, then u should be not playing the game. It's like if u don't live up to the rules for a drivers licence and safe driving it is rightfull that the police or state revokes your drivers license.