Make a change in the survivor title

As of today (May 25th 2007) not anymore.
From the update notes:

"Fixed an exploit where creatures successfully using suicide skills in Urgoz’s Warren still gave loot and experience."

any more thoughts?

"Delete, start over, farm in HM" How do you get to HM with a NEW character?

Working on 3 Survivor characters now. 1 with access to Prohesies only, 1 with access to P & F, and the 3rd with access to all 3 chapters. All are now to 60,000+ exp. NONE of them have access to HM.

if you knew how to get LDoA you wud know that you HAVE to die to get to lvl 20 in pre. getting both titles is IMPOSSIBLE


/notsigned. if you die, you aren't a survivor, end of

but what if you have reached the legendary survivor title, and after that you die. it would be just the same, you are not a survivor. Should your title be taken then? the title is about surviving long enough to get 1337,5k xp. And since it it easier to get, (says some of you) when your level 20, im up to increasing the title, depending on the lvl you started it from.
And im still for rerolling the character *temporaly* so you could get the title.

Have u not even bothered reading his post?
He implies that u would have to start all over again and do AS MUCH effort as any other survivor.

/signed, not a question about it.

I understand what he's saying, but if that were to happen your character would be starting over again with access to many high areas already obtained. You may aswell get run to drocks and get the best armour and die, start over. Comptlete the game once giving you access to hardmode, die a few times along the way (but it wouldn't matter, cos your xp count is just reset)

Just doesn't make any sense to me. Giving an unfair advantage against survivors that acquired the title starting from absolute scratch as present without starting over as this idea suggests with acquired map markers and picking them up along the way; whether your xp count is completely reset or not.

your wrong, thats not what i mean.
By rerolling i mean, your lvl and and you have no advance on any other recently created lvl1 character. And it would be temporaly, so you could get back to where you finished your normal lvl20 character after you did th title.

So, its temporary? You get reduced to level 1, with starter skills and equipment, and are in the starter zone for whichever game the character was made.....

Yeah, like that can or will happen. Time travel to Pre-searing, and time travel back after getting your title? If they did this, they would need to do it as a permanent setting, not a temporary one, which would be no different than deleting and remaking a character.

My Dervish died at level 18, and is the closest I have come to a Survivor. I did not feel the need to restart it, as I didn't care enough about the title. If this is a title you REALLY want, either restart you character, or make a new one.

then, all the effect would be gone.
it would be just the same as deleting and starting over.

When I found out about Defender I looked up a few things on it, and from what I have read it is possible to get it and Survivor, only it is far more difficult. The information i have came acroos says you can do it by death leaveling creatures by lettign them kill your pet, and then rez the pet, and continue to do this untill you can gain xp from killing the creature.

Now the difficult part here is that whiel you can afk if you death level by dying yourself you can't using your pet, as you have to be sure you don't accidently agro the creature yourself.


With regards to the specific topic I'm more or less on the fence

I agree that survivor should be for those that didn't die at all, I worked har to get my survivors, rerolled an awful lot, and managed to get 4 to level 1 before dying one to legendary and one is inbetween level 1 and 2. I have no desire to begin the failed ones again. Also as i made silly mistakes on them I don't think I should have the opportunity to retry without a reroll. I knoew about survivor when doign them.

However I do think that for those creating charcters before the advent of the title were unfairly treated here. My primary charcter is prime example, I created her well before these titles existed, and when I found out about some of them my main aim was to get as many as possible, however, as no survivor title had existed I was not to worried about deaths, and played most of the game dying repeatedly with no worries. When this title was brought in it would have been nice to have been given a fair shot at it for those characters created before its inception.

Therefore while I think that generally it is accurate to say that the survivor title should not be achivable no matter how many times you die, i do think the older characters should have been given the opportunity to attempt to gain it

What I think is funny is something someone else said a while back on one of these threads.

1,337,500 XP + one death = survivor.
One death + 1,337,500 XP = nothing.

Make sense? It really doesn't to me. I'd prefer they reset the XP counter when you die, so that you have to start from the beginning, and get 1,337,500 without any deaths in between. The title would still be difficult to obtain, but not completely impossible. Right now, it is the ONLY title that you can't keep working on: once you die, you can't ever get it. That's like making the protector title unavailable if you don't get masters on every mission the very first time through. I think the unique limitation of this title is unjustified, and completely out of line with every other title that exists.

Eh, /notsigned just because it would take away a lot of the meaning of the title and REALLY devalue it for anybody who got it the old way.

I mean, I want to get the title too, but there is nothing I can do about it. Move on.

It wouldnt make the title anyless meaningful it would just give Prophecies made characters the chance to get it they were denyed. IT would also allow people who suffered the Vizuah Square death get it without having to restart the character again. Even if they did a one time reroll for all characters made pre the date the title was added (which anet could do since the game knows when characters were created) it would make the title more fair.

2 Notes to you my dear..
First, before you put something in BOLD lettertype, make sure it is correct...
Let me explain.. it is possible to get survivor and legendary defender of ascalon on the same char, all you need is patience (that is always needed when going for LDOA) and a very very very dedicated friend/guildie/brother/secondary pc running gw...
Just stand far enough back and let your friend/guildie/brother/sec pc death level on the baddy... when it is a high enough level storm in and kill it... you get exp, and don't die... it isn't soloable, but it works..

Secondly, I agree with you, if you die, you are not a survivor and therefor don't deserve the title, end of story... just restart and go for it again, can be fun anyways

/not signed
for obvious reasons. The point to the title is not dying, you die, you are done, end of discussion.

so, what you guys are saying is that:
if you made it to the legendary survivor title and then you die, you should lose the title. Im sure you dont want that.

Earn it like the rest of us. If you die start over, its that simple.

And to say you should lose it if you die after reaching max level is like saying upon your 10,000th chest opened you should lose that title if you stop opening chests.

What I would suggest is having a slightly different survivor title. Not "legendary" that should only really be for the people who didn't die at all, but maybe something like "dedicated survivor". It would instead have a much higher requirement and would reset everytime you die.

I for one would really enjoy trying to not die for as long as I could but I don't want to have to restart my characters everytime I do... This way the really hardcore players could have a more prestigious title, while the more casual ones could still have fun trying to survive for as long as they could.

LOL maybe you should take your own advice and ensure you are correct.

I have previously detailed how to get the title without dying.

The way you describe is impossible, the reson for this is that you can't rez people more than once in pre, the only way to do it is the rez signet, which after one use cannot be used again. The only way for your friend to be rezed again would be for you to die, therefore defeating the point of using them.