The new armor system is great, but I'd like to see you add a salvage to pre-searing that will get ruins and insignias. There are a lot of us that have perm pre characters now that you can death lvl to 20 again. But the way it is, if you want a ruin or insignia for your armor you have to find someone who has a superior salvage from one of the exploits to salvage it for you. Players are paying up to 100k in pre and some 200k in post for a stinking minor ruin. I don't see how it would hurt to make a salvage availible in pre to eliminate this condition. Specially now that pre armor will also take insignias. Quite frankly I'd say anyone opposed to this idea probably has a salvage in pre lol.
I an even see how to go about doing this, say you put a collecter in picken square over the wall, and you have to have 10 bones, 10iron ingets, 10 wooden planks, 10 tanned hide squares and 10 granite slabs to trade for one expert salvage kit, that way you make it take some effert to get without having to program a new quest. Plus you would have to use up a couple of regular salvages to get it, kind of like learning to use an expert kit.
salvage in pre
Thom The Brawler
sph0nz
I agree.
It would be nice if they added an expert salvage kit somewhere in pre. Considering that runes have been there since the start, I don't see why this would really hurt anyone (except the people who got lucky and have kits there). I mean, ANet did put Charr Bags in..
It would be nice if they added an expert salvage kit somewhere in pre. Considering that runes have been there since the start, I don't see why this would really hurt anyone (except the people who got lucky and have kits there). I mean, ANet did put Charr Bags in..
holababe
/notsigned
I don't have a salvage in pre btw.
Keep pre-searing the way it is. Don't start adding all this salvage/runes/insignia stuff, it'll wreck it IMO
I don't have a salvage in pre btw.
Keep pre-searing the way it is. Don't start adding all this salvage/runes/insignia stuff, it'll wreck it IMO
JeniM
**CONTAINS SPOILER IF YOUR NEW TO PROPH**
hmmm i agree
I think worst problem with pre is people shout things like "Ha ha Rurik your going to die in shiverpeaks" which isn't really on for people that like to watch vids and follow story ( i always skip anyway :P sorry Anet i don't even watch the vids you go to the trouble to make
)
That aside i think this would devalue the kits brought through expliots which would be fantastic. Maybe make them like the charr bag drops? or somehow very hard to get so farming them for huge sales isn't easy. I do however think as pre is a training ground and players arn't supposed to stay there this won't happen but if it was down to me :
/signed
hmmm i agree
I think worst problem with pre is people shout things like "Ha ha Rurik your going to die in shiverpeaks" which isn't really on for people that like to watch vids and follow story ( i always skip anyway :P sorry Anet i don't even watch the vids you go to the trouble to make
)That aside i think this would devalue the kits brought through expliots which would be fantastic. Maybe make them like the charr bag drops? or somehow very hard to get so farming them for huge sales isn't easy. I do however think as pre is a training ground and players arn't supposed to stay there this won't happen but if it was down to me :
/signed
Thom The Brawler
That's kind of the point to this suggestion, all this is already availible in pre. But it's a balck market condition that exploits an exploit that was fixed long ago lol. I don't see how this could posably ruin pre, since it would be strictly voluntary to salvage anything and use it, and there is no pvp in pre so how could it hurt another player?
Jamey
I Agree,
we need to be able to Salvage the insignias and runes in Pre
there is nothing that great that drops in pre that it could possibley
ever hurt or change the balance of the game.
Anyone willing to spend months trying to death level
to level 20 deserves whatever few little bonus's they can get to
help them.
besides the fact there are several people as you say that
have expert salvages there already and it hasn't hurt the
game, except to make the person lucky enough to have went to
the guild hall and bought one during the guild hall glitch day
rich.
I say let them be salvaged and stop the exploiters from
getting rich and rubbing it in my face . lol
I like your idea of how to introduce them to pre also
that made sence to me.
we need to be able to Salvage the insignias and runes in Pre
there is nothing that great that drops in pre that it could possibley
ever hurt or change the balance of the game.
Anyone willing to spend months trying to death level
to level 20 deserves whatever few little bonus's they can get to
help them.
besides the fact there are several people as you say that
have expert salvages there already and it hasn't hurt the
game, except to make the person lucky enough to have went to
the guild hall and bought one during the guild hall glitch day
rich.
I say let them be salvaged and stop the exploiters from
getting rich and rubbing it in my face . lol
I like your idea of how to introduce them to pre also
that made sence to me.
WhiteWasabi
YES! PLEASE put a superior salvage kit in pre or make SOME way to salvage runes. There are people who have them already from an old exploit. It would not ruin pre because these items are already in pre.
Please close the BLACK MARKET in pre by allowing ALL players access to RUNES.
PLEASE and THANK YOU.
Please close the BLACK MARKET in pre by allowing ALL players access to RUNES.
PLEASE and THANK YOU.
darkorical
I agree on the idea of adding them in but instead of making a collector for them make expert salvage kits drop from the same char bosses who drop charr bags give them about the same drop rate as the bags ... the market wont be flooded with them and the people getting rich off of an ability to cheat (no Im not going to call it an exploit people who discovered it and used it to bring stuff into pre knew it wasnt supposed to be there they were intentionally cheating and are now making money off of it) char bags are currently 2.5k or so so expert salvages would probably run about the same if they had the same drop rate.
MithranArkanere
Hm... this could be available as a collector reward, in packs of 10 uses instead of 25.
Or as a repeatable quest reward...
Or in a new outpost (Piken Square) avaialbe only for those characters that have made all the non-required quests...
Since Max armor collectors are the only ones that do not allow insignia... this would be even good... player could get the insignia and runes in Pre, and then use them agan (at least half of them) in the new armors they get.
The thruth is that many people leave at least one character un Pre.
People like that... and making it comfortable would give people a reason to buy one or more slots to make characters to leave there... and that is something Anet wants.
Or as a repeatable quest reward...
Or in a new outpost (Piken Square) avaialbe only for those characters that have made all the non-required quests...
Since Max armor collectors are the only ones that do not allow insignia... this would be even good... player could get the insignia and runes in Pre, and then use them agan (at least half of them) in the new armors they get.
The thruth is that many people leave at least one character un Pre.
People like that... and making it comfortable would give people a reason to buy one or more slots to make characters to leave there... and that is something Anet wants.
Jes
I Agree.
Please add a way to Salvage the runes and insignas, this
would fit in perfect with the Armor update we just got.
I know you can add runes to the pre Armor because
I had a lv16 Ranger show me his armor in trade when
he was braging about having Marsmanship +1 and sure
enough he did, he said it cost him 4 black dyes and 65k
and he was planning on getting more.
Lets take a bite out of the PRE BLACK MARKET and add
a salvage kit that can salvage the runes and insignas.
I would even go as far as to say PermaPre here I come
and buy an extra slot to death level to 20 if I had this option.
Oh and Pikens Square was a cool idea as a place to put a
collector for this.
SALVAGE RUNES IN PRE YES PLEASE!
Please add a way to Salvage the runes and insignas, this
would fit in perfect with the Armor update we just got.
I know you can add runes to the pre Armor because
I had a lv16 Ranger show me his armor in trade when
he was braging about having Marsmanship +1 and sure
enough he did, he said it cost him 4 black dyes and 65k
and he was planning on getting more.
Lets take a bite out of the PRE BLACK MARKET and add
a salvage kit that can salvage the runes and insignas.
I would even go as far as to say PermaPre here I come
and buy an extra slot to death level to 20 if I had this option.
Oh and Pikens Square was a cool idea as a place to put a
collector for this.
SALVAGE RUNES IN PRE YES PLEASE!
MagmaRed
There is a reason you don't have an armor crafter in pre.
There is a reason collector armor in pre doesn't have a helm.
Defender is not an easy title to get, and wasn't meant to be. Pre was not an area meant to stay in, but people who choose to, know what they are staying there for. People who want an advantage in pre, already have the Game of the Year items available. Even if you didn't buy the GotY edition, you can purchase the extras from the online store for a small fee.
This isn't needed, and although no 'balance' issues are involved, it changes what pre is, and was meant to be.
/not signed
There is a reason collector armor in pre doesn't have a helm.
Defender is not an easy title to get, and wasn't meant to be. Pre was not an area meant to stay in, but people who choose to, know what they are staying there for. People who want an advantage in pre, already have the Game of the Year items available. Even if you didn't buy the GotY edition, you can purchase the extras from the online store for a small fee.
This isn't needed, and although no 'balance' issues are involved, it changes what pre is, and was meant to be.
/not signed
Evan montegarde
I would suggest adding a "salvager" NPC to somewhere in pre that will salvage things for a decent amount of gold (2k perhaps) so that the market is not player dominated.
Jamey
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Originally Posted by MagmaRed
There is a reason you don't have an armor crafter in pre.
There is a reason collector armor in pre doesn't have a helm. Defender is not an easy title to get, and wasn't meant to be. Pre was not an area meant to stay in, but people who choose to, know what they are staying there for. People who want an advantage in pre, already have the Game of the Year items available. Even if you didn't buy the GotY edition, you can purchase the extras from the online store for a small fee. This isn't needed, and although no 'balance' issues are involved, it changes what pre is, and was meant to be. /not signed |
don't wear any armor when your death leveling and as for pulling the charr
to the res shrine your always moving so the armors not much of an issue there either.
Reason they want the SALVAGE is to add the runes and insigna for fighting
charr solo as every bit of defense helps.
Yes everyone know pre was only ment for training, but many of us
that have played since the begining have decided Pre is also a fun place
to spend some time,
So I see no reason why it could possible hurt to alow us this option as
it's up to each individual how they spend there time in GWs.
Yes We Want The Salvage Kit For Runes Please, as you said
it would'nt change the balance of the game.
except it may make a few BLACK MARKETERS CRY...
which is fine with me.
1 up and 2 down
/signed
This wouldn't hurt anybody except the blackmarket players that charge about 100k per salvage.
This wouldn't hurt anybody except the blackmarket players that charge about 100k per salvage.
Loki Seiguro
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Originally Posted by Thom The Brawler
Quite frankly I'd say anyone opposed to this idea probably has a salvage in pre lol.
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that or you are poor..anyway you can buy salvaged runes from people for maybe 40k post at most
and i also don't have a salvage kit because i don't think i had GW at the time of the glitch or i was GW vacationing....anyway i agree that anet made pre the way it is for a reason you guys are trying to make pre like post..whats next? better armor or better weapons? You don't need to stay in pre nothing is keeping you there except for LDOA title so why complain? If you had a kit yes im sure you wouldn't be complaining oyu would be exploiting it for at least some money if not 100k per use.
also if they add a salvage kit what about all those people that spent their hard earned money for a salvage use? anet can't refund the money you all may be happy but what about the others? what too bad for them at least i'm happy now?
You all complain a h$ll of a lot on stuff that is almost irrelevent. if you don't like pre the way it is get out. Anet was more then generous giving you charr bags for those going for LDOA title and not finding a way to delete the glitched items which i think anet is more the capable of going into peoples accounts like in one of the updates which i will not go into.
anyway yet again
/not signed
/not signed
1 up and 2 down
/signed
This wouldn't hurt anybody except the blackmarket players that charge about 100k per salvage.
This wouldn't hurt anybody except the blackmarket players that charge about 100k per salvage.
Div
/notsigned
Presearing is presearing. Just because things are really expensive there doesn't mean Anet should add a function that all of a sudden screws a lot of people over and break the presearing economy.
Presearing is presearing. Just because things are really expensive there doesn't mean Anet should add a function that all of a sudden screws a lot of people over and break the presearing economy.
Thom The Brawler
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/notsigned
Presearing is presearing. Just because things are really expensive there doesn't mean Anet should add a function that all of a sudden screws a lot of people over and break the presearing economy. |
Genetic Freak
Salvage uses would be pretty cool, I'm still perfectly fine with Charr bags being added though. =D A week or so ago, I found someone to salvage some things for me for 6-7k per salvage. 
Anyways - /signed
Anyways - /signed
MithranArkanere
Well... if they do not add Salvage to PreSearing characters... they should REMOVE the exper and superior salvage items of those characters that are inside there, since they should not have them.
Thom The Brawler
A-net is always doing things to make the game even and fair to every player, thats all we are asking for here, destroy a black market system by adding one simple item and even out pre.
blademan176
/not signed. Pre is a training ground
FelixCarter
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Originally Posted by blademan176
/not signed. Pre is a training ground
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Except with no storage...
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And Charr Bags...
...
Wha?
/Signed
Firebaall
Well well well....
I have submitted a ticket to support over this very issue (yesterday infact).
Let me explain, that I have several perm-pre characters. I am one of the "haves" instead of the "have-nots". I am sick of the people that glitched in post-sear gear, and the elitist attitudes many (not all) show. Anybody that protests an expert salvage kit available from the pre-searing merchants is trying to protect their exploit.
I aquired my salvaged runes from an amazingly generous player, considering a salvage is going for 60K-300K. I didn't have to opportunity to use the guild hall glitch (it was around before I started playing).
Don't believe me on the prices?
http://www.presearing.com/
You'll have to register to see the pre-searing auction section in the forum. Sick.
Here's my report submitted to Support:
(names of players removed)
Let me say again, the only people that oppose the average player in pre-searing having access to the same game content (everybody paid the same price for the game, right?), is to protect their own interests. The greed of some people is sickening.
I will be starting a new thread once I get some responses from support.
I have submitted a ticket to support over this very issue (yesterday infact).
Let me explain, that I have several perm-pre characters. I am one of the "haves" instead of the "have-nots". I am sick of the people that glitched in post-sear gear, and the elitist attitudes many (not all) show. Anybody that protests an expert salvage kit available from the pre-searing merchants is trying to protect their exploit.
I aquired my salvaged runes from an amazingly generous player, considering a salvage is going for 60K-300K. I didn't have to opportunity to use the guild hall glitch (it was around before I started playing).
Don't believe me on the prices?
http://www.presearing.com/
You'll have to register to see the pre-searing auction section in the forum. Sick.
Here's my report submitted to Support:
(names of players removed)
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Originally Posted by Firebaall's Support Message
Hello,
I have, perhaps a more unusual condition to report. I also have some questions. You may be aware of, there is a thriving underground economy in the Pre-searing area of Prophecies, Guild Wars. This "Black Market" is made up of individuals that took advantage of an exploit some time ago that allowed travel to guild halls from Pre-searing. This gave these people access to max weapons, expert salvage kits, and items that were just not availble to the average player. With the Legendary Protector of Ascalon title introduced into the game, there is quite a number of people left out from this advantage (who are now interested in playing in pre-searing). Those that wish to aquire these "post-searing" items must pay incredible prices. Here is a link to a website that specializes in the elitist market: http://presearing.com/ (You will have to register to see the pre-searing auction section) There you will find people extorting insane amounts of in game gold for items that should be available to the average player. Some of the examples are, 75K per use from an expert salvage kit, 10s of thousands for salavage runes, insignias, mods, etc. There is even a superior salvage kit selling for over 2 million! Now I know it is not reasonable to try and correct the situation, by removing these items from the game. What I would like to see is a very simple solution. If an expert salvage kit were to be introduced to the pre-searing merchants, it would level the playing field. The "average" player could make use of the minor runes, insignias, weapon mods, etc. that they find in the North Lands (where the charr are). I have an example, with screenshots of one of these people trying to offer me max gold items from post-sear. He wanted a mini Kunnvang dragon from my CE Factions, that I have in pre-searing. Please see the attached files. In closing, I would like to discuss the responses from Support on this issue in the public Guild Wars fan forums, specifically Guildwars Guru. Thank you so much for your time. |
I will be starting a new thread once I get some responses from support.
MithranArkanere
Yup... PreSearing was made in an old time... with an outdated system... make it like Shing Jea and Istan...
Firebaall
Getting somewhere with support (I think).
It's like pulling teeth. First I get the cookie-cutter response telling my ticket is closed, and thanking me for reporting a player! lol
They didn't even read it.
Second response, they missed the entire idea, and thought I was reporting the website for a violation. I'm thinking they just skim the support ticket, and pick up a few key words.
Currently, I'm waiting for a reponse from the request to actually address the question. Seems the policy is ignore the first complaint, kinda look the second time, and just maybe....maybe read the third complaint. lol
I would also suggest people interested in getting this changed, to send in a question/request to the support people. Squeaky wheel gets the grease, in GW.
It's like pulling teeth. First I get the cookie-cutter response telling my ticket is closed, and thanking me for reporting a player! lol
They didn't even read it.
Second response, they missed the entire idea, and thought I was reporting the website for a violation. I'm thinking they just skim the support ticket, and pick up a few key words.
Currently, I'm waiting for a reponse from the request to actually address the question. Seems the policy is ignore the first complaint, kinda look the second time, and just maybe....maybe read the third complaint. lol
I would also suggest people interested in getting this changed, to send in a question/request to the support people. Squeaky wheel gets the grease, in GW.
Thom The Brawler
I went a little deeper into the auction section of that site and found this great deel, http://presearing.com/index.php?opti...5&topic=2232.0 LOL, If you can't read it, it's for a 54 use superior salvage in pre, The seller wants 4 million game gold for it. And they talk about other sales in the same thread.
This is such a rediculous situation that I can't beleave there is any good reason to not fix it.
This is such a rediculous situation that I can't beleave there is any good reason to not fix it.
DreamCatcher
It gets even worse..some of these glitched items have been sold for real world currency. With insignias the disadvantage non-cheating people have becomes even more profound.
Officially Arenanet has stated that these glitched items will not be deleted, nor will they ban people for owning such items. However in my opinion this disadvantage is severe if only for people having become instant milionaires just by using a single cheat, they have a steady source of income as most likely there's still hundreds of expert salvages left in pre. This 'free' income alone is a severe disadvantage to ''normal'' players as single salvages get sold for 50 plat PRE gold (or more)..which in turn gets sold for atleast double that amount of POST gold. A single 100 use kit alone will provide the owner with 10 million gold! The kind of free and steady income this cheat provides can only be matched by people who either bot gold or buy gold online.
How the hell is that fair?
/signed..absolutely!
btw theres nothing wrong with presearing.com itself. It's sole purpose is for providing the presearing community with a means of communicating with eachother over the internet.
Officially Arenanet has stated that these glitched items will not be deleted, nor will they ban people for owning such items. However in my opinion this disadvantage is severe if only for people having become instant milionaires just by using a single cheat, they have a steady source of income as most likely there's still hundreds of expert salvages left in pre. This 'free' income alone is a severe disadvantage to ''normal'' players as single salvages get sold for 50 plat PRE gold (or more)..which in turn gets sold for atleast double that amount of POST gold. A single 100 use kit alone will provide the owner with 10 million gold! The kind of free and steady income this cheat provides can only be matched by people who either bot gold or buy gold online.
How the hell is that fair?
/signed..absolutely!
btw theres nothing wrong with presearing.com itself. It's sole purpose is for providing the presearing community with a means of communicating with eachother over the internet.
Firebaall
I Have the full response from Support on this issue. They have forwarded the situation to the development team (so they say).
They also suggested opening a discussion on the fan forms. I will be posting a topic fairly soon.
They also suggested opening a discussion on the fan forms. I will be posting a topic fairly soon.
Thom The Brawler
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They also suggested opening a discussion on the fan forms.
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Firebaall
No Thom,
I have a thread going with an open support ticket:
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10169760
Please add your input! It's more of a disscussion thread, than a suggestion thread.
I have a thread going with an open support ticket:
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10169760
Please add your input! It's more of a disscussion thread, than a suggestion thread.
Kynareth Adeus
Why bother? It's not like there's anything so challenging over there that you actually even really NEED salvage kits...
I mean, I'm not against it, but then again, I'm not for it either, considering that it's a waste of time...
I mean, I'm not against it, but then again, I'm not for it either, considering that it's a waste of time...
Jamey
Lets Get Kracking
I want to be able to salvage my pre searing drops.
It would be nice to salvage a +10 health or what ever legal drops in
pre and apply it to another item to improve it thats not asking much.
Please add the Expert Salvage kit,
oh and here is a link to more on this subject.
http://guildwars.incgamers.com/forum...d.php?t=455200
I want to be able to salvage my pre searing drops.
It would be nice to salvage a +10 health or what ever legal drops in
pre and apply it to another item to improve it thats not asking much.
Please add the Expert Salvage kit,
oh and here is a link to more on this subject.
http://guildwars.incgamers.com/forum...d.php?t=455200
DreamCatcher
The thread on incgamers already has 13 pages and ended up in being made a poll in this thread
However, as the poll was created by someone who's opposed to the introduction the poll itself is very thinly supported argumentatively and the results tend to get scewed as the OP ''forgot'' to include the link to the thread that spawned the poll
Dispite me asking several times to include the link neither the OP nor any mods will add the link to the original thread..unfortunately.
However, as the poll was created by someone who's opposed to the introduction the poll itself is very thinly supported argumentatively and the results tend to get scewed as the OP ''forgot'' to include the link to the thread that spawned the poll
Dispite me asking several times to include the link neither the OP nor any mods will add the link to the original thread..unfortunately.
Jamey
Rumor has it that A-net added a gold charr salvage drop with 5 salvages in it to pre searing.
Can anyone confirm this?
Can anyone confirm this?
Perkunas
/not signed
and no I do not have a kit nor access to a kit.
and no I do not have a kit nor access to a kit.
Jamey
here is a kit got it 3rd try off a charr boss
Jamey
and
JeniM
Jamey
Thanks to Thom and every one else that
helped get the Charr Salvage kit in PreSearing
I as a PermaPre I have had a blast with it
here are a few of the things I have upgraded
since the kit was added
and I plan to max out my warriors Armor to.
helped get the Charr Salvage kit in PreSearing
I as a PermaPre I have had a blast with it
here are a few of the things I have upgraded
since the kit was added
and I plan to max out my warriors Armor to.