A Note About the 25% Charrslaying Pommel

arcanemacabre

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Originally Posted by fenix
They haven't made them available because they were a bug, which was fixed.
So that's your reason for it not being made widely available? Because it was a bug. Has nothing to do with balance or anything?


Saying there is only a few in existence is not an excuse for fixing this obvious "oversight". It wasn't just a bug, it was an exploit that a handful of people took advantage of when they realized it was possible, held onto it, and when Anet said "oops" and made sure no one else could take advantage of the exploit, these people now realized they had a gold mine.

With all of their current crusades to thwart people from taking advantage of any exploit, especially when it comes to making money, why have they remained "blind" on this one? I firmly believe that when they remove the possibility to acquire an item (unless that item was designed to be limited, like regional minipets), they should remove or replace all instances of that item at the same time. Period.

capitalist

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Originally Posted by arcanemacabre
So that's your reason for it not being made widely available? Because it was a bug. Has nothing to do with balance or anything?


Saying there is only a few in existence is not an excuse for fixing this obvious "oversight". It wasn't just a bug, it was an exploit that a handful of people took advantage of when they realized it was possible, held onto it, and when Anet said "oops" and made sure no one else could take advantage of the exploit, these people now realized they had a gold mine.

With all of their current crusades to thwart people from taking advantage of any exploit, especially when it comes to making money, why have they remained "blind" on this one? I firmly believe that when they remove the possibility to acquire an item (unless that item was designed to be limited, like regional minipets), they should remove or replace all instances of that item at the same time. Period.
A. This thread is not about unconditionals.

B. I am sorry you don't have one.

arcanemacabre

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Originally Posted by capitalist
A. This thread is not about unconditionals.

B. I am sorry you don't have one.
A. This is very much within the subject of this thread:

Quote:
Originally Posted by arcanemacabre
I firmly believe that when they remove the possibility to acquire an item (unless that item was designed to be limited, like regional minipets), they should remove or replace all instances of that item at the same time. Period.
B. I'm not. (I'd be too afraid that they'd nerf it at any point, and likely sell it ASAP - what I'd do with the money after that? Doesn't matter, I don't even play anymore)

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Quote:
Originally Posted by arcanemacabre
A. This is very much within the subject of this thread:



B. I'm not. (I'd be too afraid that they'd nerf it at any point, and likely sell it ASAP - what I'd do with the money after that? Doesn't matter, I don't even play anymore)
Yeah, you sound pretty bitter about unconditionals. Did you have one and sold it for nothing thinking it was bad? Or are you just jealous of those who have them? Either way, they aren't imba, because all but a couple are garbage.

As for the Charr mod, most of the items that are like this (in that they are/were available and give an advantage) have a use. Such as HoD sword, FFS, Rockmoulder etc. The Charr mod will have NO advantage whatsoever, because it's a measly 5%, against (most likely) level 24+ Charr. That 5% is good if you are hitting for high damage numbers, but against the GW:EN Charr (which I imagine will be very tough, as it's level 20+ only to play it), it will have no advantage over the normal 20% mod. Stress less people. Just grab a 20% one and use that.

N E D M

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Noone pointed out this:
Charslaying 25% mods are broken and instead of giving +25% vs charr they actually give -25% vs all non charr.

fenix

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orly? That's interesting, and funny too. Makes the people spending lots on the mod look even stupider :P

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Quote:
Originally Posted by N E D M
Noone pointed out this:
Charslaying 25% mods are broken and instead of giving +25% vs charr they actually give -25% vs all non charr.
I tested this on the sword prommel; not true.

The Herbalizer

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Originally Posted by arcanemacabre
Fine, then why hasn't Anet made 15% unconditional widely available? You either argue against the removal by saying "There is no advantage at all to use a 15% unconditional weapon", or you argue against making them widely available because of balance issues. You can't have both and remain fair.
Making unconditional damage modifiers available to all would be really complicated. It would involve altering all damage modifiers which would include 20% Hexed, 20<50 ones too. Kinda overkill since it has been proven that there are so few of them to matter and they are not actually unbalanced as 15>50 + 20<50 solves the problem.

To change all weapons to unconditional damage would involve Anet spending $$$ to do that. How many players have quit as a result of unconditional weapons existing? Most probably none. Will changing them balance Guild Wars? No

I would think making all weapons unconditional would lead to more people quiting than leaving them in the game.

There is no real point in changing weapons which arnt unbalanced especially when there are so few.

Anet have allowed them to be traded for two years now. Single unconditional weapons have traded hands for up to 1000 ecto. Removing them now when the prices is only going up is very very unfair. If Anet wanted to remove them or alter them I am sure they would have done it waaay before.

As more and more people quit Guild Wars I am sure the number of them on active accounts will become less. I am pretty bored of Guild Wars and am thinking of playing WoW again. Once I leave that is another two unconditional weapons not in use.

You sound awfully bitter about them existing for something which only item collectors really care about. They never hurt anyone or harmed Guild Wars. They are just abit of fun and are funky weapons which Guild Wars is lacking.

Anyway the topic is 25% charr mods. As with virtually every collectors, craftable, upgrade which Anet deemed unbalanced they will most probably be altered. The only acception to this is staff wrappings & HOD hammers as far as I know.

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He probably wants all the rich people with their unconditionals to take a hit in the pocket to make himself feel better because he isn't rich and he doesn't have any unconditionals. It's written all over that bitter post.

Denial isn't a crime or bannable offense so lets hear it!

arcanemacabre

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Just thought it was a little unfair, is all. People are getting tongue-lashed by Gaile over "exploit" farming in elite missions, a way a certain number of people were making money. This is also an exploit that allows only a certain number of people to make money, and it's perfectly acceptable. Seems unfair and two-faced.

But what do I know? I can't have an opinion about this without being outed as "jealous" and "bitter".

fenix

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There's a big difference between 2 dozen rare weapons which dropped for 2 weeks after release, from the Chest in the Arid Sea, and a way to get in excess of 3k exp every 30-40 seconds, decent drops (no loot scaling), with little or no effort.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jetdoc
Then why did A-Net convert items that previously had the 25% Charrslaying pommel on it to 20%?

:doh:

when they released hardmode, people started snatching up the 25%'s and started spaming all over the forums that you just need to get it to tear through the HM charr.... then a-net decided that since it's the only item that is +25%, they would make it equeal to everything else's max.