Today is a sad day for me in the Guildwars universe
My surviver was doing realy well, up untill Vizunah Square local.
Obviously, being a surviver, I have done my utmost to keep her alive. Sup Vivor, Extra health armor (got the armor just before the last major armor update), +58hp health staff, cupcaces and scrolls. Basically everything I could think of.
By testing on other characters and by asking questions to my alliance I'd also come to known that your /deaths count doesn't get changed by dying casued by missions failing or other scripted deaths. Also it's supposedly no longer possible to die during a cutscene.
However, after having succesfully completed Vizunah Square on my surviver and having seen her stay alive after the scriped rez at the ending cutscene I was absolutely gutted to see she still received +1 deaths on her /deaths count.
I'm perplexed to how this could've happened. I have heard some people skip after the last cutscene or even log out but (not taking into account that it's just plain retarded having to log out of the game after a succesfull mission just for fear of having your surviver die after having kept him/her alive during the mission itself) I wasn't sure when to have to log out. iirc the scripted death was simultaneously or right after the spear animation you get after having completed a mission.
Surely the scripted death shouldn't have gotten her killed as no other scripted death seems to do that. Nor did the rampaging minions killed her afterwards, Im sure of that.
Still I received a death...
Theres no way to change her secondary, for that I just have to do Vizunah sooner or later.
Even though she was still just level 19 I'd already put a LOT of efford into her (she already completed Dunes of Despair earlier that day and already had heroes) and pulled a lot of strings from friends/guildies to help my surviver out.
The way my surviver received her death is imo just plain retarded!
My question to Gaile/Arenanet is:
Why did my surviver have to die for no reason atall?
Death in Vizunah Square (You have died 1 time.)
DreamCatcher
Pharell
This is an old problem who hasnt been solved yet. Should've asked for everyone to skip before entering the cutscene.
Crusheer
It sometimes happen there if u have MM in that mission. His minions will become masterless and will attack everyone in sight.
Well, its sad. Dont give up though.
Well, its sad. Dont give up though.
DreamCatcher
I did ask for everyone to skip and also said at the beginning of the mission that I was going for surviver. Also the rampaging minions didn't kill my surviver nor anyone else
RSGashapon
This is what now, the 1,000th thread whining about a Survivor death?
For all that planning you did, you forgot to read the part about minions becoming masterless in a cutscene if the master of said minions happens to die, by script or by mob.
Continue playing your character normally, or reroll and try again. Those are your options. I suggest the former since the latter, after Survivor title acquisition, will probably not be widely accepted into groups, being labeled as a Leaver or Quitter.
For all that planning you did, you forgot to read the part about minions becoming masterless in a cutscene if the master of said minions happens to die, by script or by mob.
Continue playing your character normally, or reroll and try again. Those are your options. I suggest the former since the latter, after Survivor title acquisition, will probably not be widely accepted into groups, being labeled as a Leaver or Quitter.
Tingi
that's what happened to my monk - I was trying for survivor. Didn't get it. Was a bit pissed off but there was nothing I could do about it so meh.
DreamCatcher
RSGashapon, I was well aware of masterless minions going rogues on you. As a matter of fact, that can even happen while you play your own MM and you die..your minions will go rampaging the rest of the team.
I also stated that I did not die during the cutscene but I'll asume you (tired of reading the 1000th survivor thread) simply overread.
I know my options..currently Im leaning towards not rerolling and risking another +1 death count for no reason yet I might try again on another character.
I started this thread for I'd like to have an answer to my question.
*Edit:@ Tan Blademaster, have you found a way to overcome this problem? Like it is now it's simply impossible to change secondaries on any canthan born surviver which is kinda frustrating*
I also stated that I did not die during the cutscene but I'll asume you (tired of reading the 1000th survivor thread) simply overread.
I know my options..currently Im leaning towards not rerolling and risking another +1 death count for no reason yet I might try again on another character.
I started this thread for I'd like to have an answer to my question.
*Edit:@ Tan Blademaster, have you found a way to overcome this problem? Like it is now it's simply impossible to change secondaries on any canthan born surviver which is kinda frustrating*
RSGashapon
Then what did your character really die from?
Onarik Amrak
If you already knew there were issues with deaths in Vizunah, why did you not earn your last level elsewhere before doing the mission?
Chalk another one up to the bug and people silly enough to fall to it again.
Chalk another one up to the bug and people silly enough to fall to it again.
Kool Pajamas
Dont do that mission? You can ascend and change secondaries in other chapters.
Gaile Gray
Hi,
I'm sorry about the situation, and I'm afraid I have no answer now. You seem to have done what is required to retain the title, and of course it's impossible for us to "replay" the scene to learn exactly what happened step by step.
I will send this link to QA and ask them if there are any known bugs that may have caused this death. If there are, they will let me know and I can pass it along to you. If there are not, they can do a little digging to find out if there's something that we might change to reduce the chances of this happening again in the future. However, thousands of players have retained Suvivor after Vizunah Square, and we've not heard of the introduction of a new bug in recent days, so this bears a bit of examining before I can respond more fully.
I'm sorry about the situation, and I'm afraid I have no answer now. You seem to have done what is required to retain the title, and of course it's impossible for us to "replay" the scene to learn exactly what happened step by step.
I will send this link to QA and ask them if there are any known bugs that may have caused this death. If there are, they will let me know and I can pass it along to you. If there are not, they can do a little digging to find out if there's something that we might change to reduce the chances of this happening again in the future. However, thousands of players have retained Suvivor after Vizunah Square, and we've not heard of the introduction of a new bug in recent days, so this bears a bit of examining before I can respond more fully.
DreamCatcher
Thx for the quick reply Gaile 
I know you can't replay what had happened during my Vizunah Square trip.
Im absolutely positive that the only time my character lay dead on the floor was in the beginning of the last cutscene (when shiro is visible), which was the scripted death, and also that the rogue minions didn't kill me nor anyone else.
Btw Kool Pajamas, I just went to the temple of balthasar...seems You're right, I could've ascended and changed my secondary there.
Shame I didn't know that beforehand but still that would've locked my surviver out of most of the factions content which (with skill capping in mind, and having the fun of playing through the campaign) isn't desirable.
I know you can't replay what had happened during my Vizunah Square trip.
Im absolutely positive that the only time my character lay dead on the floor was in the beginning of the last cutscene (when shiro is visible), which was the scripted death, and also that the rogue minions didn't kill me nor anyone else.
Btw Kool Pajamas, I just went to the temple of balthasar...seems You're right, I could've ascended and changed my secondary there.
Shame I didn't know that beforehand but still that would've locked my surviver out of most of the factions content which (with skill capping in mind, and having the fun of playing through the campaign) isn't desirable.
Masseur
There is simply no way to know if the rogue minions killed or didn't kill you or anyone else, since there is no display of what they are doing during the cut scene. The only time this happens that has been reported is when a MM is in either party with minions still up when heading into the cut scene. No MM in the parties, no death. I personally have not heard of anyone dying without a MM in the party.
Emik
It has nothing to do with MM's either.
My guildleader and i have successfully completed that mission with an MM BUT we skipped the cut-scene so i have no clue as to what the reason is that you died.
My guildleader and i have successfully completed that mission with an MM BUT we skipped the cut-scene so i have no clue as to what the reason is that you died.
Marth Reynolds
I did that mission 4 times on my surviver sin, (mostly rerolls 
) and didn't die in it once when i had a MM with me.
Sure minions can kill the surviver during the cut scene, but they need to target you from the 16 allies there. might just have been a bug that made the storyline death count i don't know, just good luck on future attempts.
Sure minions can kill the surviver during the cut scene, but they need to target you from the 16 allies there. might just have been a bug that made the storyline death count i don't know, just good luck on future attempts.
Tahlia Tane
It makes perfect sense to me. You die in the mission and get a rez in the cutscene.
undeadgun
srry to hear this, but good luck to you in the future
fenix
I skip all cutscene's, so never had this problem :S
Cherno
You didn't answer the question about whether everyone actually skipped or not. You say you are sure they didn't kill you but don't know how you could be sure unless you all skipped before the death occured. Honestly this problem has been around since day 1 of the survivor title being introduced and all community testing has pointed to the minions being the cause.
Explain how you are sure that it wasn't them? You can only truly be sure of that if everyone skips prior to the scripted death occuring. Even closing out the window could leave the possibility of your character still holding the connection (reconnects addition from several months ago.)
Explain how you are sure that it wasn't them? You can only truly be sure of that if everyone skips prior to the scripted death occuring. Even closing out the window could leave the possibility of your character still holding the connection (reconnects addition from several months ago.)
Kook~NBK~
Sorry you lost your Survivor title because of this bug. When I went for my survivor title I stayed well clear of visunah square because of the possibility of dying during the cut scene.
ATTN GAILE GRAY: This is a bug that's been around for a long time. I learned about it from guildwiki 5 or 6 months ago when I started a character to get the survivor title: http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Vizunah..._%28Mission%29 (Skip down to the "bugs" section at the bottom of the article.)
ATTN GAILE GRAY: This is a bug that's been around for a long time. I learned about it from guildwiki 5 or 6 months ago when I started a character to get the survivor title: http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Vizunah..._%28Mission%29 (Skip down to the "bugs" section at the bottom of the article.)
kumarshah
Need More Mini-Pets.
I am sorry but ANet, such a bug should have been fixed by now.
I am sorry but ANet, such a bug should have been fixed by now.
MegaMouse
This horse has been killed over a dozen times now. In the Vizunah Square mission you get a death wether you skip the cutscene or not. Very nasty bug that it seems A-Net and NC-Soft have decided to ignore. Best advice I can give is to start a character in Profecies (asuming you have that one) and go for survivor there. It may take a bit more time but it is safer and if you can time it right you will not have to fight the PVP part when you leave the pre-searing. I know of several players that have lost the Survivor title due tio that mission and it is to me a waste of tim,e trying to get it in factions unless you go out of your way or even have good guildmates to assist in the endevor. No matter what you decide to do good luck and I hope you eventualy get it.
Mega Mouse
Mega Mouse
Emik
Imho starting one in Nightfall is the best choice to go.
Higher rewards, less annoying enemies and you start with a 4 man team straight away.
My Para is still going strong and almost rank 2
Higher rewards, less annoying enemies and you start with a 4 man team straight away.
My Para is still going strong and almost rank 2
October Jade
I have three Legendary Survivors, all of whom safely completed Vizunah Square.
My advice is that you play with only heroes and henchmen, and if possible enter the mission at an unusual time of day for your continent. Two out of three times I ended up with a full hench party on the other end, allowing me to circumvent the cutscene death entirely.
Note, however, that if you are paired up with other players, don't abandon them and restart the mission. That's just rude and disrespectful. Suck it up and play.
My advice is that you play with only heroes and henchmen, and if possible enter the mission at an unusual time of day for your continent. Two out of three times I ended up with a full hench party on the other end, allowing me to circumvent the cutscene death entirely.
Note, however, that if you are paired up with other players, don't abandon them and restart the mission. That's just rude and disrespectful. Suck it up and play.
Bryant Again
It's very interesting that they just now comment on this, since it's been around since Factions release, essentially.
Ludo
It's not the death scene that probably killed you, but the minions attacking you for four or five minutes while the scene played out. They do do damage, even if you don't drop dead on the floor during the cutscene.
Yesterday doing Iron Mines someone didnt skip the infusion cutscene and we pulled in Azure Shadows with us (someone ran to the alien dude), they we're whacking on us the entire cutscene and at the end we were all at various stages of near dead. No one actually died, so I cant say for sure if it can happen, but you can certainly take damage during cutscenes.
Yesterday doing Iron Mines someone didnt skip the infusion cutscene and we pulled in Azure Shadows with us (someone ran to the alien dude), they we're whacking on us the entire cutscene and at the end we were all at various stages of near dead. No one actually died, so I cant say for sure if it can happen, but you can certainly take damage during cutscenes.
Kashrlyyk
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Originally Posted by Kool Pajamas
You can ascend and change secondaries in other chapters.
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That is more than 12 characters.
kumarshah
There is one solution to this, don't allow mobs to attack us during cutscenes.
And Gaile, this is nothing new. This forum has seen countless threads on the same.
And Gaile, this is nothing new. This forum has seen countless threads on the same.
countesscorpula
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Originally Posted by DreamCatcher
I started this thread for I'd like to have an answer to my question.
*Edit:@ Tan Blademaster, have you found a way to overcome this problem? Like it is now it's simply impossible to change secondaries on any canthan born surviver which is kinda frustrating* |
Gaile,
I survived the Vizunah mission on my Mesmer (L2 Survivor at the time). However, being fully aware of the title killing bug, I closed the program before the death portion of the cut scene. And some will bla bla bla about your character is still in the scene so you can reconnect... I also immediately opened GW and did not rejoin the party. So I effectively completed the mission and made an end run around the cut scene mass murder. I don't suggest anyone do this mission(with a survivor) until A-Net posts a dev update confirming the bug no longer exists.
cosyfiep
after you finish the starter island you can leave and go to either la or kamadan (where you can get heros).
You can change 2ndary professions in either the command post or the desert as well.
My still running survivor as skipped out of factions until they fix that bug....she's working towards the desert now.
You can change 2ndary professions in either the command post or the desert as well.
My still running survivor as skipped out of factions until they fix that bug....she's working towards the desert now.
TideSwayer
If Togo or Mhenlo die and you fail the mission (Vizunah Square), does that give you a death against your survivor title as well? Just wondering.
I really wish Mhenlo and Togo (and for that matter, any other NPC healer) wouldn't heal the damn minions. It's annoying wherever it happens, but in that mission it can slow you down and make you lose masters time since those two need to be in a certain spot to trigger the mission dialogue events.
I really wish Mhenlo and Togo (and for that matter, any other NPC healer) wouldn't heal the damn minions. It's annoying wherever it happens, but in that mission it can slow you down and make you lose masters time since those two need to be in a certain spot to trigger the mission dialogue events.
Meat Axe
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Even closing out the window could leave the possibility of your character still holding the connection (reconnects addition from several months ago.)
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So unless they changed something to allow reconnects at all times unless you log out, even if the program shuts down in a tidy fashion, in the last couple of months, you will be able to simply close the program during the cutscene and it should avoid any deaths. Although, it's a lot safer to just take the character to another continent to ascend and play through that storyline. That's definitely what I'm gonna do with my rit.
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Originally Posted by TideSwayer
If Togo or Mhenlo die and you fail the mission (Vizunah Square), does that give you a death against your survivor title as well? Just wondering.
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supa tim
Look, It's quite simple... you guys all claim that u die coz of the minions getting masterless... well unless shiro has übernecropowers and has veratas aura... i dont know any other way to get minions masterless than THE MINIONMASTER DIES... Did i just say 'die'? i think i did eh? Well, then its quite simple, u died in that mission coz of the cutscene, together with all the other people, including the MM...
And yeah, Anet shoulda fixed that long time ago... but beeing prepared for the survivortitle also means knowing what to do in missions. So i guess it's not entirely Anet's mistake... GL anyways dont know if your'e going to make a new character or not...
Cya
TimmeH ><
And yeah, Anet shoulda fixed that long time ago... but beeing prepared for the survivortitle also means knowing what to do in missions. So i guess it's not entirely Anet's mistake... GL anyways dont know if your'e going to make a new character or not...
Cya
TimmeH ><
peterchen620
Happened to my ranger once in Vizunah Square. No MMs, no skip through last cutscene, and no death either. From all the sources, I concluded that the cutscene is bugged. However, skipping prevented that problem, so why not try that next time?
Either way, I remade my ranger in Faction again, she is almost to legendary survivor and already completed the entire campaign. I was rather fortunate to have a partner on the other side to help me skip the scene from that mission. Now I am a happy little goat.
Either way, I remade my ranger in Faction again, she is almost to legendary survivor and already completed the entire campaign. I was rather fortunate to have a partner on the other side to help me skip the scene from that mission. Now I am a happy little goat.
BenjZee
im pretty sure its been fixed. i done it many times over the past couple of months and been fine. some people say its something to do with minions....well thats not true, i was an mm with olias and so was other team
DreamCatcher
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You didn't answer the question about whether everyone actually skipped or not. You say you are sure they didn't kill you but don't know how you could be sure unless you all skipped before the death occured. Honestly this problem has been around since day 1 of the survivor title being introduced and all community testing has pointed to the minions being the cause.
Explain how you are sure that it wasn't them? You can only truly be sure of that if everyone skips prior to the scripted death occuring. Even closing out the window could leave the possibility of your character still holding the connection (reconnects addition from several months ago.) |
With 'they' I assume you're referring to the rogue minions?
I'm sure they didn't kill me as I didn't die. Btw most of us did get attacked by the rogue minions but none of us died becasue of that. All of us did die during the scripted death, including both MM's
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Originally Posted by Marth Reynolds
I did that mission 4 times on my surviver sin, (mostly rerolls ) and didn't die in it once when i had a MM with me.
Sure minions can kill the surviver during the cut scene, but they need to target you from the 16 allies there. might just have been a bug that made the storyline death count i don't know, just good luck on future attempts. |
...I didn't think cutscene deaths were still possible, this was iirc fixed many months ago.I've heard some people in my alliance claim it could be possible for a person to loose all health during a cutscene, yet not visibly die when his/her health reaches zero. If this is true or not I don't know.
My surviver never died while playing but died during a cutscene..if this is a bug then it should be fixed. It's realy demotivating to see your time and efford go to waste in such a way.
For now I guess I'll just have to press that x in the top right corner everytime I finish a mission which does take a lot of fun from the game for me, having to restart GW and relog every time I finish a mission.
Infinity^
My survivor didn't get a death at Vizunah, but then I'm sensible and did it with heros and henchies.
Orinn
I've had 3 characters get through Vizunah without any deaths. I also had one who died during the cutscene and it counted as a death, even with no MM in the party. It seems to be a random bug, one that I don't know how to reproduce, but it does happen.
Corinthian
Why would you even bother with such missions which pose a threat to a title like that. Just farm for it until it's maxed and you can die all you want.
Big_Iron
I completed Vizunah Square safely with my Survivor and had Olias as a MM, but I did skip the cut scene. While working on my Survivor, I've gone with Heroes and henchies almost exclusively, with the exception of a couple of runs due to the missions being high risk. PuGs are too unpredictable and if I have to do a quick exit, I'm not screwing over anyone.