Hero's can't bond anymore?

mr_groovy

mr_groovy

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jun 2006

Netherlands

No Inherent Effect [NiE]

29 May 2007 at 10:18 - 1
I don't know if this was a stealth mode anti farm nerf, but apparently dunkuro and tahlkora can't bond my char's anymore. No Life barrier, Mending or what so ever.... What the hell is up with that?
I tried bonding my monk, and warrior and both when putting up enchants get disenchanted the second I put them up. I tried in HM and Normal, and multiple instances in Cantha. There's np enchanting myself, but hero's just don't want to do it ....

Any other People Experiencing this? If so Gaile we would want some info on why?
I am not mad, I am disapointed .....

*edit just checked my necro, and ele both experience it too

Brianna

Brianna

Insane & Inhumane

Join Date: Feb 2006

29 May 2007 at 10:23 - 2
Oh i think this is where they cancel the enchant Right after they put it on you, my guild leader had this problem and it turned out it was something stupid and overlooked.. But i forgot what it was ._. if i remember i will let you know.

arcanemacabre

arcanemacabre

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Feb 2006

North Kryta Province

Angel Sharks [As]

29 May 2007 at 10:25 - 3
Yeah, all you gotta do is Shift-Click disable all skills that require upkeep, then manually activate them. Otherwise the heroes will do that. Always been like that, as far as I know.

Luna Star

Luna Star

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Apr 2007

29 May 2007 at 10:28 - 4
disable the skill before using it, it's been like that from the start of NF.

mr_groovy

mr_groovy

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jun 2006

Netherlands

No Inherent Effect [NiE]

29 May 2007 at 10:30 - 5
Quote:
Originally Posted by arcanemacabre
Yeah, all you gotta do is Shift-Click disable all skills that require upkeep, then manually activate them. Otherwise the heroes will do that. Always been like that, as far as I know. Yeah that works

I used to disable and then put up enchant. But I thought disabling it would keep the hero's from renewing the enchantment. Not canceling it all together. Oh well
disabling works ^^ thx.

<< Feels stupid for forgetting

arcanemacabre

arcanemacabre

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Feb 2006

North Kryta Province

Angel Sharks [As]

29 May 2007 at 10:37 - 6
Hehe, no problem

fenix

fenix

Major-General Awesome

Join Date: Aug 2005

Aussie Trolling Crew HQ - Event Organiser and IRC Tiger

Ex Talionis [Law], Trinity of the Ascended [ToA] ????????????????&#

W/

29 May 2007 at 10:39 - 7
Yeah, that's an even worse bug than what you thought it was. The heroes cancelling the bonds if you don't disable them, it's pretty dumb...

Kale Ironfist

Kale Ironfist

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jul 2006

Australia

Venatio Illuminata [VEIL]

W/

29 May 2007 at 11:41 - 8
It's not a bug and it's not dumb. Heroes have AI for energy management and putting those bonds up while not in a fight is a waste of energy (to them), so they'll cancel it.

fenix

fenix

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29 May 2007 at 11:48 - 9
Ah yes, but that's why it's dumb. The AI isn't smart enough. People who bond know how to manage energy while bonding, without casting/cancelling. It wouldn't be too hard to make the AI do the same, without having to manually disable all the skills. Heroes do fine managing energy if you give them Blessed Signet and a skill like Power Drain, and disable all their bonds, surely it wouldn't be hard to make it work the same with them enabled.

Onarik Amrak

Onarik Amrak

Forge Runner

Join Date: Mar 2007

Astral Revenants

P/W

29 May 2007 at 14:09 - 10
Well, they know how to use Holy Veil alright...

fenix

fenix

Major-General Awesome

Join Date: Aug 2005

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29 May 2007 at 14:12 - 11
They use Holy Veil REALLY well, but the downside being that they use Bonds the same way, cast and remove :P

Isil`Zha

Isil`Zha

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Dec 2005

Look above you!

Knights of Apathy

A/

29 May 2007 at 15:33 - 12
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kale Ironfist
It's not a bug and it's not dumb. Heroes have AI for energy management and putting those bonds up while not in a fight is a waste of energy (to them), so they'll cancel it. ...yet they have no problem casting RoF on a friendly minion, out of combat, when they have no energy left and you just used Song of Power and they just canceled it and keep their energy pool completely empty as they continue to heal and prot the stupid minons.

Amy Awien

Amy Awien

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jul 2006

R/

29 May 2007 at 15:43 - 13
How should they know who to bond? Given the limitations of the interface it's not so dumb. Or do you know a better way?

Mad King Corn

Banned

Join Date: Dec 2006

29 May 2007 at 16:05 - 14
My hero's have gone so far as to bond my rangers pet, bless their little hearts.

majoho

majoho

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jul 2006

Denmark

29 May 2007 at 16:22 - 15
Quote:
Originally Posted by fenix
They use Holy Veil REALLY well, but the downside being that they use Bonds the same way, cast and remove :P I have to say *obviously* because permanent-bonding is a waste of energy.

Abarra

Academy Page

Join Date: Mar 2006

Australia

Order of the immortal

N/Mo

01 Jun 2007 at 02:02 - 16
If heroes have really good energy AI then tell me why Zhed and sosuke use glyph of energy (next spell less 25nrg and no exhaustion) before casting a low energy spell and then cast meteor shower which is high energy and causes exhaustion? o_O

Moloch Vein

Moloch Vein

Forge Runner

Join Date: Apr 2007

Reactive Hexing Sucks

[Thay]

N/

01 Jun 2007 at 02:53 - 17
Tbh... I've noticed the heroes getting more and more dumb.

I tested by taking out Dunkoro to Stygian Veil. He was set as a prot monk. Attacking the monsters in the canyon yielded interesting results.

He did try to fight degen by putting Protective Spirit on me. At least I got some healing.

He didn't try to use any of his two hex smiting skills. Shield of Regeneration he used once.

He actually allowed me to drop from 200 to 0 health, dying of degen, while doing absolutely nothing, despite having five unused skills and plenty of energy.

It kinda sucks

ichigo_panty

ichigo_panty

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Nov 2006

Exiled And Forsaken[EnF]

01 Jun 2007 at 04:59 - 18
The ai tends to wait till some of the text description comes into effect. And hero can't use some sskill well. They think that hex smite is a waste of energy since there is no foe around you for the smite to work. SoR works only when you are suffering from high degne, or low hp, otherwise, they wouldn't think of casting them.
Just manually click, click and click the skills to solve the problem.

Drequlies

Drequlies

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Sep 2006

The Windwalkers Clan

W/A

01 Jun 2007 at 13:56 - 19
Well I have my Dunkoro set to do bonds. He will use it once the fighting begins. He can only bond 6 of the characters for some reason but manages his energy quite well and drops them after the fight. I do wish he would keep them up a little longer though. Sometimes the next fight is only a few feet away and he needs to start all over.