Lavish Loot and Lockpicks! (Weekend Event)

byteme!

byteme!

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jan 2006

On Earth

W/P

This community is so narrow-minded and negative. Here we have Anet giving us "another" weekend event with good intentions and all some of you can think of is how much money you're gonna lose if you participate.

Un-install GW and I assure you Anet will never disappoint you or piss you off ever again.

vergerefosh

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Sep 2006

Englishmen Don't Drink [Tea]

W/R

YaY! Go to Resplendent Makuun, bash guys, open locked chests, see if I can get some elite tomes I can use

And better my war's id and chest opening titles.
And more golds to sell to merchant, maybe taking off some good mods to sell for money/use. Or, if really lucky, hit the jackpot on some uber rare weapon that people will buy without me standing there trying to sell for hours, and get enough money to run my account for, oo, lemme see, couple days? :P Seriously, a proper rare skin drop would be awesome, fund me for a long time since not going for any more vabbian. That hurts the bank

SuperDave

SuperDave

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Nov 2006

South Africa

Forever Knights

Mo/

Now this is way better then the double lucky/unlucky weekend thingy.

/happy

Sephiroth Istari

Sephiroth Istari

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Sep 2006

like most people, i will be on the hunt for an elemental sword. i'll also look to get closer to rank 4 treasure hunter and rank 4 wisdom

The Great Al

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jun 2005

ALOA

E/Me

Quote:
Originally Posted by Relnor
Go back to Pre-Calc...P does not imply Q. A double chance of gold is not the same as a half chance of purple. That defies math, logic, and all common sense.



Winner.
I fail to see what is wrong with that logic. If you are to have double the chance of successes, isnt that the same as half the number of failures? Even if it's wrong, it certainly doesn't defy logic or common sense, stop being a jerk.

I guess what maybe you could do is...if its 70% gold to 30% grape, thats 7 golds for every 3 grape...if you double that, you'd want 14 gold for every 3 grape...so the probability of getting gold would be 14/17...not sure if that's right.

VanDamselx

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Aug 2006

Buffalo, NY

[TTBH]

Quote:
Originally Posted by MSecorsky
Dude, you're going to a prom.

You'd better be chest farming.
Too bad this "dude" is a chick.

Haha, good joke though

ShadowsRequiem

ShadowsRequiem

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Oct 2005

Inde is Smoking [Hawt] *ToA*

W/E

time to get another elemental sword! ^_^

GranDeWun

GranDeWun

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: May 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by The Great Al
...I guess what maybe you could do is...if its 70% gold to 30% grape, thats 7 golds for every 3 grape...if you double that, you'd want 14 gold for every 3 grape...so the probability of getting gold would be 14/17...not sure if that's right.

Sounds reasonable - so the chance for gold would become 82.4%.
Here's another possibility: "Doubling" the chance of a gold would be like allowing me two tries, and letting me keep the best outcome. The chance of getting (at least 1) gold in 2 tries is (1 - (.3)^2) or (1 - .09) or 91%. So let's hope it is that...

MSecorsky

MSecorsky

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jun 2005

So Cal

The Sinister Vanguard

Me/

Quote:
Originally Posted by booooYA
Too bad this "dude" is a chick.

Haha, good joke though
o.O

Apologies, and thanks.

TedTheDead

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Feb 2007

Sons of Metal

N/

*still wondering where these 70% drop rate chests are at*

kess

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Sep 2006

E/A

do you guys plan to do chest run in NM or HM?

The Great Al

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jun 2005

ALOA

E/Me

the 1.5k chests have a good drop rate, especially in HM...i've been playing the canthan elite missions and they have a very good gold drop rate, id say at least 70% gold

garethporlest18

garethporlest18

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jan 2006

[HiDe]

W/

Quote:
Originally Posted by kess
do you guys plan to do chest run in NM or HM?
CRing in HM is a lot of fun, so I'll probably do half there half in normal.

Sheriff

Sheriff

Jungle Guide

Join Date: May 2006

Heroic Order of Tyria

R/W

Quote:
Originally Posted by kess
do you guys plan to do chest run in NM or HM?
NM mostly. I'm sick and tired of losing lockpicks in HM to get a non max purple staff

Sir Skullcrasher

Sir Skullcrasher

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jun 2005

California

15 over 50 [Rare]

W/Mo

NM, since HM is impossible to do without real players!

Healers Wisper

Healers Wisper

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Apr 2007

Anaheim, CA

BoMB

N/

This weekend sounds like alot of fun, loseing money or not.

For those of you pondering the math, you have to remember probabilities are not directly additive. So if there is a 70% chance of getting a gold, doubling this does not equal 140%. So no purples arn't gonna fall from the skill. How probabilities work is simply how often can you expect to get something from a pool of somethings. This is often expressed as a % but isn't really.

Example:
You have 10 pairs of socks in a bags
7 pairs gold
3 pairs purple

70% of the time you will get a gold pair of socks. (if they are always pulled in matching pairs.)

I double my gold socks so now I have 14, still have 3 purple socks. My NEW total is 17. 14/17 = .82 or 82%

So I now have a n 82% chance to get a gold pair. See isn't math fun. Another reason to stay in school and not smoke crack.

Marth Reynolds

Marth Reynolds

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jan 2006

The Netherlands

The Lore Enforcers

Me/A

running NM chest will be more effective this event IMO.

Hard mode chest had a 80% gold drop rate already nm chest with double rare drop rate will be around that as well, but with nm chest comes the higher chance to retain lockpicks ^^

Only downside is see is not getting Elite tomes from chest but overall it sounds nice.

The Great Al

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jun 2005

ALOA

E/Me

Quote:
Originally Posted by Healers Wisper
This weekend sounds like alot of fun, loseing money or not.

For those of you pondering the math, you have to remember probabilities are not directly additive. So if there is a 70% chance of getting a gold, doubling this does not equal 140%. So no purples arn't gonna fall from the skill. How probabilities work is simply how often can you expect to get something from a pool of somethings. This is often expressed as a % but isn't really.

Example:
You have 10 pairs of socks in a bags
7 pairs gold
3 pairs purple

70% of the time you will get a gold pair of socks. (if they are always pulled in matching pairs.)

I double my gold socks so now I have 14, still have 3 purple socks. My NEW total is 17. 14/17 = .82 or 82%

So I now have a n 82% chance to get a gold pair. See isn't math fun. Another reason to stay in school and not smoke crack.
I already stated this a few posts ago.

kooomar

kooomar

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Oct 2006

Pow Pow Pow [myau]

Mo/E

Not to shatter any big hopes out there, but NM chests drop from 20-30% golds is all, while hard mode go from 70-80%. Not sure exactly how anet is "doubling" these rare drops, as we've seen before, it doesn't mean it will be exactly double. But, my main point is, NM will still be worthless compared to HM.

If you have any disputes with my shotty statistics, see my running thread in both service areas (I run quite a bit). It's solely from experience, not actual data. But, its a decent amount of experience.

SO, advice to any future runners out there, stay away form the lure of NM retention, HM is where the golds are.

Evilsod

Evilsod

Banned

Join Date: Mar 2006

England

Lievs Death Squad [LDS]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Marth Reynolds
Only downside is see is not getting Elite tomes from chest but overall it sounds nice.
Thats debatable. i'm not having much luck selling elite tomes atm, plus they all seem to be Ranger, Warrior or Monk...

I just wish they'd stop putting these good chest run weekends on when i have an exam the following Monday!

Necromonger

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Nov 2006

N/Me

Two things from this thread

1. If you don't like the week-end offering, don't participate .. simple

2. People thought the trading model in this game was/is fun? wtf?

Carboplatin

Carboplatin

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jul 2005

[PIG]

W/A

i think 80% of the people will lose money this weekend getting gold items that won't sell.

things don't sell like they used to face it. No many people are willing to pay 100k + ectos for items, at lease i don't. i am saving all my cash, since it takes alot of effort to gain gold in game. I am gonna wait for gwen to come out.

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Sheriff

Sheriff

Jungle Guide

Join Date: May 2006

Heroic Order of Tyria

R/W

I personally have to say that I'll be chest running for non-profit purposes: I'd like to increase my treasure hunter and wisdom titles.

Of course if I can get a valuable skinned gold that could pay for (at least a few of my) lockpicks, that'd be cool =)

BTW, I'm still not convinced that NM chests drop way less golds than HM chests. I've gotten too many non max purples OR normal tomes from HM locked chests.

Destinyy

Banned

Join Date: Mar 2007

Faction of War [ARES]

I'm KEEN for this weekend, Ima go find chests all over the place and see how many cool weapons I can get... I have like 8 chars and not all of them have fully kitted out heros... so yeah... :P

My Kosses, Jins, Dunks are gonna be real happy after this weekend...

Jongo River

Jongo River

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Oct 2006

Exactly, why care so much about making money? I've just dropped 40K (my entire savings) on a spread of keys and a handful of lockpicks. I'm going to spend the weekend engaging in, frankly, the most rewarding part of GW - getting cool stuff for my characters!

Cacheelma

Cacheelma

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jun 2005

The Ascalon Union

Me/Mo

....40k on keys/lockpicks, in order to "getting cool stuff for my characters!"?

Boy, you BUY cool stuff if you want cool stuff. You don't go into a casino and wish you'd get cool stuff out of it.

Evilsod

Evilsod

Banned

Join Date: Mar 2006

England

Lievs Death Squad [LDS]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sheriff
I personally have to say that I'll be chest running for non-profit purposes: I'd like to increase my treasure hunter and wisdom titles.

Of course if I can get a valuable skinned gold that could pay for (at least a few of my) lockpicks, that'd be cool =)

BTW, I'm still not convinced that NM chests drop way less golds than HM chests. I've gotten too many non max purples OR normal tomes from HM locked chests.
From my experience chest running the same location in HM and NM for a time. NM chests drop ALOT more Purples. But then again it could've been bad luck... i also had twice as many lockpicks break in NM than i did in HM, even with the additional 25% survival rate...

Zaganher Deathbane

Zaganher Deathbane

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jul 2006

Las Vegas

N/

I like this week's bonus weekend. Time to burn some cash for my lucky and wisdom title. After this I'll be poor as a rat

tyche7

tyche7

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jul 2006

Nebraska

The Killer Panda Bears

W/Mo

This is indeed a VERY good weekend event.


...now if only they'd do something with the trade system so we can DO something with some of the golds we get (-:

Jongo River

Jongo River

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Oct 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by Cacheelma
Boy, you BUY cool stuff if you want cool stuff. You don't go into a casino and wish you'd get cool stuff out of it.
As a rule, I don't trade much. It's just not my idea of gameplay. I'd rather take my chances with chests - though admittedly only on these bonus weekends.

Besides, I've always done pretty well with these double rare chest weekends. I don't come out richer, because I don't trade, but I do usually end up with some above average and occasionally quite special weapons - I seem to remember my Sins Dragon Scythes came from one of these events.

Dropping 40K may seem like a lot, but in real terms it just means my next prestige armour is a couple more months away, which is no biggie, as I've already "anciented" my primary characters, anyway.

Pandora's box

Pandora's box

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Apr 2005

Netherlands

Mo/W

If the droprates of the special weekends would become the daily satandard... Than I STILL would find the droprates way too low. Sigh. There is only 1 way to stop grinding: allow people to find more goodies while they are adventuring.

Anyway, have fun all!

D8tura

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Feb 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by savage vapor 33
W T S Unid golds! 1k each! Ftw....

LOL that's a good one seeing that lockpicks are 1.5 K

Spazzer

Spazzer

Jungle Guide

Join Date: May 2006

USA

Team Asshat [Hat]

Mo/E

Quote:
Originally Posted by D8tura
LOL that's a good one seeing that lockpicks are 1.5 K
Well, to be fair, you don't always lose your lockpicks.

Tahlia Tane

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Oct 2006

W/

Has the event started yet?

Miral

Miral

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Apr 2005

Hell. AKA Phoenix, AZ

The Gear Trick [GEAR]

W/A

Quote:
Originally Posted by D8tura
LOL that's a good one seeing that lockpicks are 1.5 K
umm, who says you have to use lockpicks? 400gp keys ftw... unidentified normal items looks exactly like unidentified hardmode items unless its a low-end skin at max...


too bad I'll be busy with Fury beta test this weekend hehe... starts in an hour...

Miral

Miral

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Apr 2005

Hell. AKA Phoenix, AZ

The Gear Trick [GEAR]

W/A

Quote:
Originally Posted by Tahlia Tane
Has the event started yet?
if it started when it says it should, then its been going for an hour

The Great Al

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jun 2005

ALOA

E/Me

Been playing the deep...lockpick drops seem MUCH worse than normal, but after 3 chests, i've seen a total of 1 grape drop, the rest were gold.

Evilsod

Evilsod

Banned

Join Date: Mar 2006

England

Lievs Death Squad [LDS]

Quote:
Originally Posted by D8tura
LOL that's a good one seeing that lockpicks are 1.5 K
Not a dig at you personally, but if you buy Lockpicks at 1.5k for this weekend event you are a complete tool.

Sadly i want my Golds. So selling em unid aint really an option.

Roguknight

Roguknight

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Feb 2007

Home Of the Sabres

LaZy

Me/E

GAH it would be an awesome weekend if i didnt have reserve weekend >_<

looks like a sleepless weekend for me if i get to be home

Thargor

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Mar 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by tyche7
This is indeed a VERY good weekend event.


...now if only they'd do something with the trade system so we can DO something with some of the golds we get (-:
Yes this is a very good weekend for those working on titles. I am going to go broke this weekend for sure!

I am only quoting your post as an example, the following statement is not directed at you personally.

When are people going to wake up and notice that Anet has done something with the trade system? They have crashed the economy and basically made the game have no use for a trade system. Problem solved, no need for an auction house or other trade improvements if almost nothing is valuable enough to trade and almost noone has enough money to buy the things that are still worth trading.