Best D/W Build Sword Wielder For me^^

Tioshi

Tioshi

Academy Page

Join Date: Oct 2006

D/W

Anti-Melee Build:
Attributes
12 Swordmanship
16Earth Prayers

Skills:
Vital Boon
Jaizhenju Strike
Veil of Thorns
Aura of Thorns
Vow of Strength or You're All Alone
Straggering Force
Dust Cloak
Signet of Pious Light

Other Skills:
Mirage Cloak
Ebon Dust Aura or Any Other Elite of your likes
Frenzy(Dangerous)


I love this Build its my Fav i Farm Outside Marketplace against:
Jade Brotherhood Knight(Max. Agro3-6),Mage(Max. Agro 2-3 4 if possible) Mesmers(Max Agrro 1, 2 if possible) & Rits (Max Agrro 1-2 if possible 3)

This Build is About Staying Alive by using These AoE Enchants and Removing them Fast to Cause any of their Effects.Vita Boon ofc. Remove it If Necessary or let it remove itself.

Against Interrupts Well YOU got a GREAT chance of DYING.(I hate Mesmers and Rangers).

Build Loses against-Rits(Speacially agaisnt spammers) Mesmers Elementalist (if Interrupter) and Rangers.
Build Wins Against-Sins(May lose Against Condition Sins) & Wars

I havent tried ABing but in TA & RA Worked Fine

Use the Enchants Wisely and....well Destructive

Got 3 Golds so Far Outside Marketplace (Wajuun Bazaar)

Plz Leave Comments

krypt1200

krypt1200

Banned

Join Date: Jul 2006

Atomik Fear [aF]

W/E

This build is absolute rubbish and will never go anywhere in life. Why firstly would you want to use a sword? Scythe for AOE ftw. Second, whats the point of using this as a farm build when you can barely agro anything, and almost every caster can own you?

Stormlord Alex

Stormlord Alex

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Dec 2005

Beyond the Forest of Doom, past the Cavern of Agony... on Kitten & Puppy Island

Soul of Melandru [sOm]

W/E

What is it with Dervishes and swords, anyways?
Bloody wammos...

The Defiled Knight

The Defiled Knight

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2007

Hey you guys leave this guy alone and stop bagging him out for making a build that he enjoys he is just trying to share his ideas and you guys are bagging him out, i for one are a great supporter of sword wielding dervishes being one myself and i found it a heck lot easier then using a scythe at first i thought it would never work but i've made several really successful builds ( i even have a great solo FoW farmer using swords ), now i'm sure you guys probably had bad experiances using swords with dervishes but it just shows your incapable of managing to use such difficult builds. So don't give this guys a hard time and mate I think your build is great i used a similar one a while back ( i used frenzy in it ).

Stormlord Alex

Stormlord Alex

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Dec 2005

Beyond the Forest of Doom, past the Cavern of Agony... on Kitten & Puppy Island

Soul of Melandru [sOm]

W/E

No, the build is terrible.
There's no synergy, he's not using his primary at all, and the only thing he's using Swords for is Jaizenju Strike, which is pretty lame as far as sword skills go.
It's a random selection of Earth Prayers, lacking in anything decent - Mystic Regeneration, and Armor of Sanctity is an obvious skill here too - and if the OP were to add Vow of Strength for real... He simply ought to a) Read skill descriptions b) learn how weapon damage works, then c) uninstall.
Oh, and using any old earth skills with a sword attack isn't exactly 'hard' for the most of us, if *you* find it challenging, Knight... I'm sure you're very special
Dervishes with swords are pretty terrible, outside of tanking/farming, Scythes are an awesome weapon, and far better and more synergetinc with other Derv skills. I'd almost go as far to say that dervishes with swords are completely retarded, but that's just insulting, isn't it?

Actually, OP, please use Frenzy as much as possible.
I'm pretty sure that a Bone Fiend, made from your fresh corpse, would be slightly more useful.
(read: the build is terrible, back to the drawing board)

The Defiled Knight

The Defiled Knight

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2007

God your a tool not even giving this guy a chance, there is nothing wrong with what skills you use in a build it's how you use them and your insulting me cause you can't even understand what i'm saying, i didn't say making the build is challenging the challenging thing is making a build using swordsmanship, a sword and health management is the challenging thing losers like you think your always right just beause you've been playing just that little bit longer then people. How are those inexperianced people meant to become any good at the game when people like you just pay them out, at the least give this guy some advice on developing his build don't just be a smartarse about it saying he should research it then quit the game and give sword weilders a chance just because you can't manage using one doesn't mean there complete crap.

Kynareth Adeus

Academy Page

Join Date: Jan 2007

D/Mo

Good going with the sword build.

It's inspired me.

I think I'm going to make a wand dervish damage dealer build, using my Furious Fire Wand of Dwarfslaying.

Rijasy

Rijasy

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jun 2005

Stand Divided

I think its an intriguing build. I was also interested in the idea of a sword wielding dervish but havent had the time to invest in it. I will look into this when I have the time, and hopefully this build will offer some insight to aid me.

(I guess I'm just attracted to the odd builds :P)

The Defiled Knight

The Defiled Knight

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2007

Haha don't blame yah it's great to be differant from everyone else =P

howlinghobo

Academy Page

Join Date: Mar 2007

Sydney

One Man Clan

W/Mo

people aren't insulting him because he doesnt conform to cookie cutter builds

this guy uses a sword with much lower dps than a scythe, and no attributes to allow for the ar bonus from a shield, theres a reason why 2 handed weapons are stronger than 1 handed ones, but this guy's just toatlly ignored it

The Defiled Knight

The Defiled Knight

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2007

But that's what sword weilders are about, there all about taking a stupid risk and alot of the time your build wont be successful that happens alot but sometimes you make an absoloutley great one, sword weilding dervishes are meant to ignore things like how damn good the scythes are, i'm a sword weilding dervish but i use scythes aswell depending on the situation.

Another point i like to make is yes this build may look stupid but it probably works great for the guy who made it i know i have alot of sword builds that my guildies have tried but been completely crap at using but when i use the builds my guildies tried i completely own anything whether i'm PvPing, ABing or just doing PvE i even have a great solo for FoW that uses swords.

So you may not agree with this but i believe it's how you use a build not what you are using in it because the exact same thing happens with my scythe builds and my rangers builds n stuff i'm great with them but my mates are rubbish.

Well now i'm gunan stop posting on this thread i've practically taken it over =P see ya'll around.

Tioshi

Tioshi

Academy Page

Join Date: Oct 2006

D/W

I havent played for only 2months and i forgot everything about GW...so i havent researched for more than 2months + i even updated this build without knowing it was named Bomber or w/e i didnt even know it existed except yesterday...check the Thread Waponless Killer in this same Section

For me its been a hard time for not being able ot play for 2months cuz this game for me its the best.For Me 2freaking months its like 1yr for me cuz i love this game unlike u guys u guys are Netbuilders(ppl who take all builds out of internet + unlike me I AM A METAGAMER!!!!!!!!!



~TY The Defiled Knight it helped me alot but BTW check the other thread checl how i made myself look extremely stupid lol ^^ cya~


~This Is Not Ownage,This Is Luxons End!

GeniusLoci

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jun 2007

Quote:
I AM A METAGAMER!!!!!!!!! Yeah, kids own everything and they are 1337. I'm old and stupid, that I know too.

Why one would use sword over Scyte with one skill which is not even spammable?

The Defiled Knight

The Defiled Knight

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2007

Dude get a freaking life i bet you havn't even tried it, mabe you should accept people like to use unique builds and hey some of those people who try out this sorta build do screw up and can't quite grasp it and then some people make builds tha are great maybe tools like you should accept that some people are differant and try other things instead of just sticking to sterotypical dervishes if you only use the original weapons for your character you must be a really boring person... and i bet that when you were at school you were a little retard that followed the cool kid crowd... seriously you've got problems.

And this is directed to everyone who thought the idea of sword weilding dervishes are lame and useless and I really don't care what you guys say about me for defending this guys ideas.

Cathode_Reborn

Cathode_Reborn

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Sep 2006

When using the weapon of your 2ndary prof, the question to ask is "what could you do that they can't?"

The problem with this build: everything it can do, a warrior can do alot better.

[skill]Avatar of Lyssa[/skill] A warrior can't even use this. If you're gonna use a weapon that swings faster than a scythe, take advantage of the speed.

[skill]Heart of Fury[/skill] The only IAS in the game that isn't a stance. Use it.

[skill]Hamstring[/skill] A warrior doesn't have the energy to spam this. A derv has plenty.

.....anyways you get the point.

Tioshi

Tioshi

Academy Page

Join Date: Oct 2006

D/W

Another Thnkxs for Defiled lol

Anyways like i said i already change the Build go to Weaponless killer just some threads after this one ok... insult me over there plz...


~Let Your First Breath Be Your Last One~

Skuld

Skuld

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Sep 2005

Thousend Tigers Apund Ur Head [Ttgr]

A/

Defiled, explain to my why sword dervishes have any advantage to scythe dervishes. Explain, I do not expect a barrage of garbled anger containing any of these words: unique, break, life, omg, grasp, original, cookie-cutter, stereotype. Just explain to me, calmly and clearly, why, please.

superbond2

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Feb 2007

DEATH SQUAD ELITE

W/Mo

Quote:
Originally Posted by The Defiled Knight
Dude get a freaking life i bet you havn't even tried it, mabe you should accept people like to use unique builds and hey some of those people who try out this sorta build do screw up and can't quite grasp it and then some people make builds tha are great maybe tools like you should accept that some people are differant and try other things instead of just sticking to sterotypical dervishes if you only use the original weapons for your character you must be a really boring person... and i bet that when you were at school you were a little retard that followed the cool kid crowd... seriously you've got problems.

And this is directed to everyone who thought the idea of sword weilding dervishes are lame and useless and I really don't care what you guys say about me for defending this guys ideas. .... i recommend tutoring, but i guess for someone like you even that wouldn't go far.

anyways, I'm not against sword wielding dervish but thats not going to work. like you said it doesnt work against anyone, except for warriors and assassins. its limited even there. take advantage of the dervish energy pool by using those sword attacks that warriors dont have enough energy to spam or use effectively.dervish have a lot of potential with any weapon but in general i recommend staying with a scythe in most cases.

Bowstring Badass

Bowstring Badass

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2005

Character selection screen figuring what I want to play...

Purple Lingerie - :D

Quote:
Originally Posted by Stormlord Alex
What is it with Dervishes and swords, anyways?
Bloody wammos... GOD DANG WAMMOS AND THEIR NOOBISH SWORDS.

Also why don't you just make a dervish with mending? lol

~ Dan ~

Forge Runner

Join Date: Dec 2006

D/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bowstring Badass
GOD DANG WAMMOS AND THEIR NOOBISH SWORDS.

Also why don't you just make a dervish with mending? lol Because the wammo can beat it using frenzy and heal sig too

Coloneh

Coloneh

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Nov 2006

D/W

On an unrelated note.....
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cathode_Reborn
[skill]Heart of Fury[/skill] The only IAS in the game that isn't a stance. Use it. [skill]Rampage As One[/skill] is just a 'skill' not a 'stance'

=D

Stormlord Alex

Stormlord Alex

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Dec 2005

Beyond the Forest of Doom, past the Cavern of Agony... on Kitten & Puppy Island

Soul of Melandru [sOm]

W/E

Someone forgot [skill]aggressive refrain[/skill] as well...

Evilsod

Evilsod

Banned

Join Date: Mar 2006

England

Lievs Death Squad [LDS]

And Critical Agility and Never Rampage Alone, but they're PvE only skills so...

I really don't see the attraction of this build. Vow of Strength is severely hindered by armour and your using a weapon with the lowest critical hit of all weapons (nobody auto-attacks with daggers so its irrelevant). It has no IAS either. Vow of Strength is completely out of date now anyway thanks to Aura of Holy Might, at r5 allegience, not too hard to attain, you get 25%. 25% less than 15 Earth Prayers, about the same as 7 Earth Prayers for a non-elite with no attributes used that can be maintained for a very good duration combined with Eternal Aura and an Avatar.

There is no way the sword, without an IAS can possiby be better than using a Scythe, for a start Scythe has 2 spammable attack skills that bypass the slow attack speed.

Pericles

Pericles

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2007

[GoD]

R/

[QUOTE=The Defiled Knight]Dude get a freaking life i bet you havn't even tried it, mabe you should accept people like to use unique builds and hey some of those people who try out this sorta build do screw up and can't quite grasp it and then some people make builds tha are great maybe tools like you should accept that some people are differant and try other things instead of just sticking to sterotypical dervishes if you only use the original weapons for your character you must be a really boring person... and i bet that when you were at school you were a little retard that followed the cool kid crowd... seriously you've got problems.

And this is directed to everyone who thought the idea of sword weilding dervishes are lame and useless and I really don't care what you guys say about me for defending this guys ideas.[/QUOTE

NOOO!!! , there is NOBODY in the entire universe who has ever made a 'great' swordwielding build for a dervish. You might think it's fun and i respect that, but dont you EVER EVER say that this build 'could' work better than a scytne wielding dervish/swordwielding warrior. Theres a reason why some builds are stereotypical and others are absolute rubbish, and you should accept that.
I also don't see the 'fun' in running a crappy build. Maybe i should make a warrior/monk with ONLY a focus item, because it's 'fun'.

howlinghobo

Academy Page

Join Date: Mar 2007

Sydney

One Man Clan

W/Mo

i pity the teams in ra where you landed

vow of strength is a decent skill in ra... because with high scythe mastery you can crit alot, and since scythe max damage is so high you can get the most out of your vow of strength

this build has absolutely zero advantages, cant even use hekets rampage like normal vow of strength dervs do


i hate these non scythe dervs so much, because 99% of them are made by some self proclaimed 'pro innovative non conformist' who will never admit the obvious flaws to their build

Corpselooter

Corpselooter

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jun 2006

Netherlands, Woerden

Glob of Ectospasm [GoE]

R/

To sum this topic up.

Scythe > Sword. Period.


(PS. Go /mo and take Mending + Mystic Regen.)

samcobra

samcobra

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jan 2006

USA

Mo/Me

OP, you're dumb

Fox Reeveheart

Fox Reeveheart

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jul 2005

Michigan

none q.q

D/

I always wanted to make a sword wielding dervish, especially with my new glacial blade >.>

This is an awesome idea. I don't know about the build but I thought something to get off a lot of attacks would be smooth like...

hundred blades with sun and moon slash. get off like 4 attacks on one guy really fast O_o

Edit:

OH HERE, have some enchantment on then twin moon sweep, hundred blades, then sun and moon slash, a nice quick 6 attacks =p

edit #2: and yes i know twin moon sweep is scythe mastery but you can have no points in the attribute, the only thing affected is how much health gain you get.

Corpselooter

Corpselooter

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jun 2006

Netherlands, Woerden

Glob of Ectospasm [GoE]

R/

[QUOTE=Fox Reeveheart]

OH HERE, have some enchantment on then twin moon sweep, hundred blades, then sun and moon slash, a nice quick 6 attacks =p

QUOTE]

You could potentially do the same on a dervish with a scythe, hit 6 targets that is with Twin Moon Sweep, bring some real advantages to the table pl0x.

Fox Reeveheart

Fox Reeveheart

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jul 2005

Michigan

none q.q

D/

well yeah you could do that but then again the dervish has always had that option. but with the attack speed of a sword and all those other skills you will get off 6 attacks fairly quickly... i had some ideas for some builds

swordsmanship
mysticism
tactics

twin moon sweep
sun and moon slash
hundred blades
heart of fury
wild blow???
some kind of stance to block attacks, maybe 2 of these. one to go after the other in chaining succession
ummm.... either go with a zealous sword hilt or some energy gain skill like zealous renewal.
faithful intervention or any other cover enchantment for twin moon sweep. this would be a good enchantment to cast before going into the fray then open with twin moon sweep

lots of options

this is not for farming obviously but seems like a nice high dps.

Stormlord Alex

Stormlord Alex

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Dec 2005

Beyond the Forest of Doom, past the Cavern of Agony... on Kitten & Puppy Island

Soul of Melandru [sOm]

W/E

You'd need some kind of damage buff on them 6 hits, tho. Swords are weak at 12 rank. You really need an order necro riding your ass to be dealing any actual damage. Otherwise, you're merely charging adrenaline for no real purpose.

Mr Emu

Mr Emu

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Apr 2006

W/A

if you're going to waste your life making sword dervs, at least run S/M slash, heart of fury, and some avvy that can make use of all the hits

pingu666

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jul 2006

guildhall

[DETH]

barbous slice
gash
twin moon sweep
sun and moon
conviction/watch yourself
derv ias i forget what its called
vital boon/faithful
res

but yeah, its not as good as a warrior, or a dervish :\

Fox Reeveheart

Fox Reeveheart

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jul 2005

Michigan

none q.q

D/

actually using Twin moon sweep and sun and moon slash with lyssa avatar would be pretty disasterous for any caster. I mean since you are a caster you are always casting basically so always having that nice fast and sex damage output with a fast weapon.