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Psychic Watch

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jan 2007

02 Jun 2007 at 04:08 - 1

Quote:

Originally Posted by Guildwiki

Collector armor that can't be upgraded with insignia now have text indicating this.

Anet, I can't believe what I'm seeing here.

You take away the inherent mods on desert collector headgear. Armor that some of us have been using for years for different attribute lines. Armor that was perfectly equal to crafted versions at Droknar's Forge. Armor that is infused, dyed, and has runes.

As a further insult, you specifically exclude these armors from having insignia to recoup the loss of the inherent mods. This is absolutely ridiculous.

Why on earth would you make this change, especially to EXISTING ARMOR THAT PEOPLE ALREADY HAVE? And don't say "to prevent radiant insignia from being abused" - that has nothing to do with removing inherent mods and preventing them from even being replaced.

KANE OG

Banned

Join Date: Oct 2005

Ogmios Graybeards

W/

02 Jun 2007 at 04:15 - 2

Because they hate all of us. Farmers, collectors and anyone who wants to have fun. Good luck getting anything to change around here.

KANE

adderworks

Academy Page

Join Date: Dec 2005

Mo/Me

02 Jun 2007 at 04:21 - 3

Quote:

Originally Posted by KANE OG

Because they hate all of us. Farmers, collectors and anyone who wants to have fun. Good luck getting anything to change around here.

KANE

You could all ways wait for them to fix it. Kinda like the ele face and SR nerf.....

VitisVinifera

Banned

Join Date: Nov 2005

Northern California

HoTR

N/Me

02 Jun 2007 at 04:26 - 4

Quote:

Originally Posted by adderworks

You could all ways wait for them to fix it. Kinda like the ele face and SR nerf.....

this wasn't a bug that was unintentionally introduced. It is obvious that they meant to have the exact outcome that has occurred.

Error in judgment, alienating legit players, yes.

Yawgmoth

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Apr 2005

02 Jun 2007 at 05:30 - 5

This shouldn't have affected the existing pieces, just all newly created ones. I found out that i had used one of these myself for 2 years and now had to trash it and craft a new one. Stupid annoyance.

BoredJoe

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Sep 2006

02 Jun 2007 at 09:18 - 6

i was looking forward to getting some ranger collectors armour when armour became inscribable. As collectors is excluded it seems rather pointless now..... Seems like a waste of a good armour skin.

Cymmina

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Apr 2005

Me/N

02 Jun 2007 at 12:19 - 7

Quote:

Originally Posted by BoredJoe

i was looking forward to getting some ranger collectors armour when armour became inscribable. As collectors is excluded it seems rather pointless now..... Seems like a waste of a good armour skin.

Go to Cantha. One of the armor crafters in the explorable areas sells "Krytan" armor, which is the same skin as the collector armor from Tyria for the core professions.

Eilsys

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Aug 2006

United States

Biscuit Of Dewm [MEEP]

Mo/Me

02 Jun 2007 at 13:02 - 8

Yeah, I was dissapointed too. I had a bunch of those Forgotten Seals saved for new characters, and when I went to use 'em, I saw that little message. >_< I'm not sure why they'd do it, but I don't understand a lot of things they do.

zwei2stein

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Jun 2006

Europe

The German Order [GER]

N/

02 Jun 2007 at 14:10 - 9

Obviously, anet hates people who want to use collector stuff.

Cantha had at least max armor collectors, but no +1 att headgear.

Elona didnt even had max armor collectors.

There is just no reason why 100% functional armor set cant be avaiable at collector.

Kakumei

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jul 2005

Grind is subjective

learn this please

02 Jun 2007 at 15:01 - 10

Quote:

Originally Posted by zwei2stein

There is just no reason why 100% functional armor set cant be avaiable at collector.

There's no reason you can't just buy the armor.

Sure, collector's is "free" (time investment aside) but come on, max armor is retardedly cheap. I'm not saying it's a good thing they disallow collector's armor from having insignias, but it's not anywhere near as big a deal as you people make it out to be.

Evilsod

Banned

Join Date: Mar 2006

England

Lievs Death Squad [LDS]

02 Jun 2007 at 15:26 - 11

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kakumei

There's no reason you can't just buy the armor.

Sure, collector's is "free" (time investment aside) but come on, max armor is retardedly cheap. I'm not saying it's a good thing they disallow collector's armor from having insignias, but it's not anywhere near as big a deal as you people make it out to be.

There is also no reason why you just said that. Just because people chose to not buy armour and get it from a collector and you start mouthing off that they should've bought it instead. I don't a shit what you think, i'm pretty sure nobody else will either, they gave us collectors armour to be equally as viable as the rest, and now they nerf it for no reason at all.

I was just looking at my Masks earlier. And it dawned on me... i got my Expertise mask from the Desert Collector well over 18 months ago. Its served me well for the last 18 months. I look at it again today, what do i see. No +1 energy and a big white sign saying 'Anet suck'. A mask that i've had for 18 months is now subpar, meaning i have to waste some money to buy a new mask then i have to go infuse it again.

I'm sorry but when they nerf things like this for no RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing reason i really don't believe Anet have any competant employees. What does this do other than piss people off exactly?

Oh and notice the lack of Gaile? Is anyone in the least bit surprised that she's not here to comment on Anets screw up?

Kakumei

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jul 2005

Grind is subjective

learn this please

02 Jun 2007 at 15:34 - 12

Quote:

Originally Posted by Evilsod

I don't a shit what you think, i'm pretty sure nobody else will either

This is a terrible argument, as this is a forum designed for open discussion. He made the thread, threads are made for discussion, and as such, I put in my input. Of course people aren't going to agree with everything said.

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No +1 energy and a big white sign saying 'Anet suck'. A mask that i've had for 18 months is now subpar

Uh...collector's armor has always been subpar. That's part of the point. And really--the lack of that +1 Energy means you can't use it anymore? What?

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Oh and notice the lack of Gaile? Is anyone in the least bit surprised that she's not here to comment on Anets screw up?

Because Gaile totally shows up in every single thread and comments on each one in turn. Yeah.

Look, I'm not saying it was a good decision. I'm not saying I agree with it. What I'm saying is that you people are blowing this way, way out of proportion.

Tactical-Dillusions

Desert Nomad

Join Date: May 2005

Grimsby, UK

R/

02 Jun 2007 at 15:37 - 13

Gold sink maybe.

LifeInfusion

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: May 2005

in the midline

E/Mo

02 Jun 2007 at 15:54 - 14

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Originally Posted by Tactical-Dillusions

Gold sink maybe.

"Signs point to yes."

Yeh, it really is a pain. However, in the end, it is just a gold sink. A rather large one at that if you have a lot of casters (only warrior headgear was subpar).

N characters X 4-5 attribute lines per character X (1 infuse each + insignia + crafting materials + 1plat)

Evilsod

Banned

Join Date: Mar 2006

England

Lievs Death Squad [LDS]

02 Jun 2007 at 16:22 - 15

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kakumei

Uh...collector's armor has always been subpar. That's part of the point. And really--the lack of that +1 Energy means you can't use it anymore? What?

The point isn't 1 energy, the point is its subpar. Subpar for no reason at all.

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Because Gaile totally shows up in every single thread and comments on each one in turn. Yeah.

Look, I'm not saying it was a good decision. I'm not saying I agree with it. What I'm saying is that you people are blowing this way, way out of proportion.

Is every thread directly related to screwing something up? Gaile seeks out threads related to minipets because we can't have people dissing those things... but this sorta thing she never comes within Bargepole range.

Clone

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jan 2006

02 Jun 2007 at 16:29 - 16

The nerfs, bugs, and grinds that acutally give you advantages (lightbringer, etc.) are starting to get to me too. Having collectors loot that was functionally as good as the stuff with fancy skins was one of the old hallmarks of skill over time spent. I don't like to see them keep tearing that paradigm down.

At any rate, I'd much rather be facing off against the god of biscuts for Sheogorath (playing Oblivion for thoes that don't get that reference). If they quit moving away from what made them popular in the first place, I might stick around for GW:EN.

XvArchonvX

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2005

R/

02 Jun 2007 at 16:33 - 17

Quote:

Originally Posted by Psychic Watch

Anet, I can't believe what I'm seeing here.

You take away the inherent mods on desert collector headgear. Armor that some of us have been using for years for different attribute lines. Armor that was perfectly equal to crafted versions at Droknar's Forge. Armor that is infused, dyed, and has runes.

As a further insult, you specifically exclude these armors from having insignia to recoup the loss of the inherent mods. This is absolutely ridiculous.

Why on earth would you make this change, especially to EXISTING ARMOR THAT PEOPLE ALREADY HAVE? And don't say "to prevent radiant insignia from being abused" - that has nothing to do with removing inherent mods and preventing them from even being replaced.

It's just a headpiece. If it was a 15k or obsidian head piece, I would understand, but really, just go craft a new one.

Kakumei

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jul 2005

Grind is subjective

learn this please

02 Jun 2007 at 16:34 - 18

Quote:

Originally Posted by Clone

Having collectors loot that was functionally as good as the stuff with fancy skins was one of the old hallmarks of skill over time spent.

But collector's armor wasn't as good as purchased armor--it didn't have any bonuses.

Taala

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Nov 2006

02 Jun 2007 at 17:08 - 19

Collector's have always been worse than regular armour. No gold involved, no insignias (as they are called these days) either. An option for those without gold, the newbies basically, until they can afford to buy the real thing if they want it.

Now clearly Anet made a mistake including the collector's headgear in the update when they added that +1 energy to Tyrian and Canthan helmets back in October 2006. Radiant has no place in collector's armor and now it was removed. I call it a fix.

Skyy High

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: May 2006

R/

02 Jun 2007 at 17:11 - 20

Collector armor never had bonuses, and should not have been made inscribable. Anyone arguing that max collector armor should have been made inscribable is ignoring the fact that no one would be normal max armor if they could get a set of max collectors at ~1k for the set.

Collector headgear, on the other hand, was only changed to be +1 energy in the big sweep with all the other Tyrian and Canthan headgear. Most likely, it was an oversight, and they only meant to give the +1 energy to the crafted headgear. Why would every other piece of collector armor lack mods, while the headgear gets the equivalent of a radiant insignia?

zwei2stein

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Jun 2006

Europe

The German Order [GER]

N/

02 Jun 2007 at 17:30 - 21

Quote:

Originally Posted by XvArchonvX

It's just a headpiece. If it was a 15k or obsidian head piece, I would understand, but really, just go craft a new one.

Well, to undo "damage" for some pepole this costs:

4x4x helm (nec/monk/ranger/mes)
2x5x helm (war/ele)

---

Crafting 26 new helmets + 26 radinat insignia (ok, i will now use better ones, but still) is ~50k + tons of materials ~ 500 gold to salvage old runes

So, its bascially 50k+ damage, for no good reason.

You see, this cost me ~ one obsidiam helm.

IIIPowerIII

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Nov 2005

Canada

R/Mo

02 Jun 2007 at 17:30 - 22

Stop crying, before the Head didnt have +1 energy. They added it.
Now you're collector item is just like before no +1 energy...

Edit: didnt see skyy post

Swift Thief

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Feb 2007

Aatxe Pirates [YaRR]

A/

02 Jun 2007 at 17:36 - 23

Who uses collector armor again?

lyra_song

Hell's Protector

Join Date: Oct 2005

R/Mo

02 Jun 2007 at 17:42 - 24

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skyy High

Collector armor never had bonuses, and should not have been made inscribable. Anyone arguing that max collector armor should have been made inscribable is ignoring the fact that no one would be normal max armor if they could get a set of max collectors at ~1k for the set.

Collector headgear, on the other hand, was only changed to be +1 energy in the big sweep with all the other Tyrian and Canthan headgear. Most likely, it was an oversight, and they only meant to give the +1 energy to the crafted headgear. Why would every other piece of collector armor lack mods, while the headgear gets the equivalent of a radiant insignia?

THANK YOU.

Max Collector Armor is NOT inscribable because it never had ANY bonuses prior to this update that equates to having an insignia.

Max Collector Armor was Vanilla.

Ya the headgear thing seems to be an anomally.

zwei2stein

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Jun 2006

Europe

The German Order [GER]

N/

02 Jun 2007 at 17:57 - 25

Well, those bonuses never unbalanced anything. I dont see why they couldnt just accept that they make headgear at collectors avaiable with insignia slot.

Bug John

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Aug 2005

02 Jun 2007 at 17:59 - 26

for my ranger, when prophecies was released, collector headgears were the equivalent of droknar headgears, no energy bonus at all

when they released insignas, everything was updated to +1 energy, which was nice for my ranger

there was one thing that made me choose collector headgears for my ranger : they all had the same skin, the most simple one which is still my favorite, he has got 8 of them, with different +1 attributes

my problem is they're all dyed old black, to match my 15k druids dye... no matter how much money i can spend for it, there's no way to craft new inscribable headgears and dye them old black

so yes, i lost something important, and +1 energy makes a difference for me as i do gvg with my ranger

PS : if someone has a dye mix that matches old black on ranger basic headgear, let me know

Liberations

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Nov 2006

Azeroth (shhh)

Ryders of the Sword [FrNd]

E/

02 Jun 2007 at 19:28 - 27

Just go buy it for what, 1.5k? One piece of your armor needs to be replaced for consistency, or fairness, w/e, and it's the end of the world? Not a big deal. It my be a pain, and It may have been wrong of Anet, but it's not armageddon, no matter how pissed off you may be.

Some people were less pissed about SR changes, and even loot scaling for that matter... Sheesh.

Spazzer

Jungle Guide

Join Date: May 2006

USA

Team Asshat [Hat]

Mo/E

02 Jun 2007 at 20:54 - 28

I have a headpiece I have to replace because of this. I'm not bitching about it. :]

The overall gains are totally worth it. Besides, at the moment, everything on it is fine except for the +1 energy/+5 hp that I'm missing.

Spazzer

Jungle Guide

Join Date: May 2006

USA

Team Asshat [Hat]

Mo/E

02 Jun 2007 at 20:58 - 29

Collector headpieces were basically free anyway.

Evilsod

Banned

Join Date: Mar 2006

England

Lievs Death Squad [LDS]

02 Jun 2007 at 21:25 - 30

Actually mine cost me the equivilant of 2k. Bleached Shells were worth a fair bit back in the day.

4ssassin

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Apr 2006

none

W/E

02 Jun 2007 at 23:41 - 31

blah. not a HUGE deal, but it is another in a long line of steady annoyances that Anet has been handing out lately. Now I have to go make a new smiting headpiece for really no good reason...well, I don't HAVE to, but not having that extra +1 is just kinda annoying now.

If Anet could provide some sort of 1/2 decent reason for doing what they did, I'd LOVE to hear it.

Spazzer

Jungle Guide

Join Date: May 2006

USA

Team Asshat [Hat]

Mo/E

02 Jun 2007 at 23:52 - 32

Quote:

Originally Posted by Evilsod

Actually mine cost me the equivilant of 2k. Bleached Shells were worth a fair bit back in the day.

Did you actually buy 2 bleached shells, or are you trying to imply that because you used them for the headpiece you missed out on potential profit?

LifeInfusion

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: May 2005

in the midline

E/Mo

02 Jun 2007 at 23:58 - 33

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skyy High

Anyone arguing that max collector armor should have been made inscribable is ignoring the fact that no one would be normal max armor if they could get a set of max collectors at ~1k for the set.

By that reasoning no one would use FoW armor because it costs an arm and a leg and you can get 10 sets of 15k or more.

CyberNigma

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jan 2006

San Antonio, TX

W/R

03 Jun 2007 at 00:05 - 34

heh, it's almost as if people are arguing over which end of the sinking ship is already below water :-) it doesn't matter much.

semantic

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Feb 2005

03 Jun 2007 at 00:36 - 35

So that's why my Marks mask doesn't have the +1e, but my others do.

Wow. Kinda cool that my Ranger has been getting by with a Desert collector's mask for 2 years. Guess it's time to get him a new one.

ValaOfTheFens

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Sep 2006

Warrior Nation[WN]

03 Jun 2007 at 00:57 - 36

*sigh*

Some people here are missing the point. Collectors armor is what allows poor or casual players to advance in the game. When I got to the Crystal Desert is needed new armor but couldn't afford it(I was in the process of gathering materials for Canthan MM armor and Bloodstained Boots) and the collector armor helped me beat the missions there. I agree that crafting max armor is cheap but obtaining the materials can make the process much more expensive. When I crafted my Curses armor at Drok's I had to obtain a large number of Parchment. So I exhausted my supply of Wood Planks(5 per Roll) to craft them in Old Ascalon at 20g each. I needed 175 Parchment in all so I paid 3.5k just for the material and when you add that to the overall cost of the armor(which excludes the headgear) thats comes to 6.7k. Luckily this was before loot scaling and so I had a large amount of materials on hand already. With common crafting materials less common crafting armor the normal way is harder to do without forking over all your platinum to material traders.

I'm more upset that you can't apply insignia to Elonian collector armor, which was possible before, and that the inherent mods are gone. Why take away both? *shrug* I generally have enough money to afford any armor I want now but early on collector armor is a great alternative to normal armor crafting.

Kakumei

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jul 2005

Grind is subjective

learn this please

03 Jun 2007 at 01:52 - 37

Quote:

Originally Posted by ValaOfTheFens

Some people here are missing the point. Collectors armor is what allows poor or casual players to advance in the game.

No, you're missing the point. They didn't remove collector's armor from the game--it's exactly the same as it was before, save for the lack of one goddamn energy on the headpiece. This isn't going to suddenly prevent people from being able to play with collector's armor.

CyberNigma

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jan 2006

San Antonio, TX

W/R

03 Jun 2007 at 07:20 - 38

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kakumei

No, you're missing the point. They didn't remove collector's armor from the game--it's exactly the same as it was before, save for the lack of one goddamn energy on the headpiece. This isn't going to suddenly prevent people from being able to play with collector's armor.

evidently anet thought that it wasn't just "one gawldam" - firefly :-) - energy. if they thought one energy wouldn't make a difference then there would be no need to waste time and effort to change it back. it wouldn't suddenly make them gods by leaving it, either, so I guess ANet disagrees with you. in otherwords, you're wrong.

Spazzer

Jungle Guide

Join Date: May 2006

USA

Team Asshat [Hat]

Mo/E

03 Jun 2007 at 07:25 - 39

CyberNigma, you have one less energy on a headpiece you didn't pay anything for. I'm really not understanding how you lost anything.

Kakumei

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jul 2005

Grind is subjective

learn this please

03 Jun 2007 at 07:30 - 40

Quote:

Originally Posted by CyberNigma

evidently anet thought that it wasn't just "one gawldam" - firefly :-) - energy. if they thought one energy wouldn't make a difference then there would be no need to waste time and effort to change it back. it wouldn't suddenly make them gods by leaving it, either, so I guess ANet disagrees with you. in otherwords, you're wrong.

I honestly have no idea what you're trying to get at, here. What am I wrong about?

I responded to someone who sounded as if they were expressing concerns that collector's armor was somehow now unusable, and I stated that the mere lack of one energy doesn't render it as such.