Officer Trouble

Hi. I am a leader of a guild and I recently had an officer who kicked every member. I think that officers should be stripped of their ability to kick members. Every other leader who has had this happen to them would agree strongly. It isn't fair to all the members who are having fun in the guild and to the leader who has worked hard to get the guild to where it is and then guy with no life just decides to ruin it all. (Arena Net Please Consider)

I AGREE!
Its a pain.
They should be able to invite and a select few could kick that the leaders pick.
Wheres the morality in all this?

Sooooo... what do you use officers for then?

Maybe it should be that the Guild Leader can choose if an Officer can kick or not. At least then there's an easier way of filtering people who can't handle being an officer.

um i think you need to stop promoting people you dont really trust....... lol this has only happened to me once and i promoted a guy just cause he was high ranked.... this of course was a year and a half ago... since then i have learned a lesson.... only promote people you trust.....

and plus i kinda like my officers having that privilege cause it allows them to help me out

/signed
maybe it would be gud to make em invite only

Or instead have any of the kicks have to go through the guild leader. So an officer can chose to "kick" a member from the guild and a message will be sent to the leader asking for the okay to kick the member. That way if a member needs to be kicked the guild leader can be notified or even if they are confused to as why they need to be kicked they can be supplied with the reason why. Imho I think that would work better.

They are supposed to recruit.

So...you can't take care of your own social problems? /kick the officer. Gg.

I suppose it would be nice to have a modifiable rank system like WoW, but really... Only promote people you TRUST.

QFT. If the guy is starting to become a problem, kick or demote him before he can do something like this. I'm sorry but a leader can't be on 24/7 and needs other people who can invite and kick for him when he isn't there or is busy. /notsigned


What I want to know though is if the OP really is a guild leader or someone who got kicked from his guild by an officer and is bitter towards them. If your guild is small enough, just kick the officer who did that and reinvite everyone.

Ok so heres the story

we had a guildy who was sexual harrassing our female (yes real girls play) members. He was causing problems and being an ass. Our Leader was away for about 4 days do to house problems. Do we the officers just put up with it and say sorry folks all we do is invite or do we kick the bastard and explain why hes missing to the leader later?

I kicked.

~the rat~

/not signed

Its why you promote trustworthy officers whom you hold in high esteem. The guild leader may not be on every day, so there's a need for officers to have the ability.

/signed - there also needs to be more guild ranks to handle a large majority of things.

WoW has an excellent system for their guilds, numerous useful ranks. Shame Guild Wars doesn't have anything like that.

By the way, you can report the officer who threw a tantrum and often times they can/will get banned.

I have 1 thing to say to this thread.

NEW GUILD FORMING xxxxxx [xxx], CAPE, HALL, STORAGE, xxx ALLEIGNED, PM ME, FIRST 5 ARE OFFICERS

Obviously with slightly worse spelling than that. If you give people positions of power for no reason, you deserve all you get.

i agree with pwned, officers should have that have some authority to do that, so then the guild leader can review it, or you can ahve a 2nd in command designated by guild leader that can do that too

i agree with pwned, officers should have that have some authority to do that, so then the guild leader can review it, or you can ahve a 2nd in command designated by guild leader that can do that too

Make every member an officer, that way no one can kick out members but the guild leader and if worse comes to worse only the guild message could be sabotaged.

Thats true...maybe instead of it coming to that maybe the officer can have an option to "silence". That person would not be able to talk to any members and the leader would be notified of the silence when he returned. then he could kick or revoke the silence. and yes i am a guild leader.

The system should work like this...

The Office has the choice to nominate a member be kicked, and the next time the leader logs on, he gets a message saying...

"[enter name] has nominated that [enter name] be kicked from the guild. Confirm or deny?"

...the Officer can fill in a text box with an explanation, and then the guild leader can choose whether its justified or not. That still leaves officers with the ability to nominate evictions, but the final choice comes down to the leader, as it should do.

The nominated party would be sent a message explaining the situation, and why. They would then be put onto a nominated list and not be able to talk to anyone in the guild or alliance via the guild chat.

If they are denied, then they return to the normal list and resume as normal, otherwise their kicked.

That should remove abuse of guilds.

Use the search function. There's been many unfortunate and foolish people like you who have experienced this. They won't do much about it if you're going to randomly promote people...

Or...you could just promote people you trust.

Without the power to kick if say the leader isnt on one day and a member is throwing insults,causing trouble ect......you could end up losing more than that member. People could take offense and leave the guild.

You have a choice to promote an officer. By promoting a member into Officer status you are handing them the power to recruit and kick.

I think this is a very bad idea.
You assign an officer because you trust him/her in selecting the right people for the guild and keeping them in the guild.
And also to remove bad people from the guild.
If your officer starts kicking members, you have promoted the wrong member to officer.

We discuss correcting misbehaving members and kicking them between officers and if necessairy with our guild leader.
That's the kind of behaviour you should expect from your officers.
If they can't handle that, don't promote them.

It would be nice if the leader can assign different privileges to different officers, but I have to agree with most of the replies. Don't give an officer position to someone you don't trust!!

Unfortunately there are a lot of "kiddie" guilds out there with kiddie leaders and officers. They are going to have these issues. I don't think the well run professional guilds have them as much.

My guild has 165 members in it and only 3 officers + Leader. It's split into 2 guilds within alliance. (LOL, unfortunately none of them ever seem to be online when I am).

I have a friend in GW who is a bit immature, but he's still a good friend. He got bored with his guild and decided to start his own. He's always telling me that my guild is stupid for having only 3 officers. He seems to think you should have a minimum of 12-20 officers. Well he got his new guild up to around 30 members, but then one of his new officers kicked everyone. He said the guy joined and started pestering him immediately to become an officer. He said the guy wouldn't let up and was asking every 5 minutes for an officer position. My friend finally promoted him to end the harassment and the jerk kicked everyone and left.

I didn't have much sympathy. I told him it's a common scam and that's why we only have 3 officers in my guild. Those 3 are trusted and we've never really needed more.

If you want to run a guild and build it into a top-notch professional guild then you should be mature enough to handle leadership responsibilities. This includes proper wisdom when selecting officers. If you instead just want a small guild for you and your buddies to hang out ingame then just invite your friends into the guild. Don't invite total strangers and certainly don't give them officer positions.

But then you stand the chance of losing all the players said person harrassed. I would rather lose one jerk to 2 or more good people. Several people have said this only promote people you trust or promote everyone so no one can mass kick. the only problem with mass promotion is then when u get the one shit head no one can kick him. And if the Leader is on vacation or something that could be problematic.

I do agree with the poster who said we should have various guild ranks.

Leader (kicks anyone)
Trusted Lt (kicks members/invites)
Lt (invites)
member (begs for runs,greens, gold,materials........)


~the rat~