Petition: Please remove 15k elite + Kurzick/luxon armors from PVP

WRONG. If you get first in a GvG AT, it's 60 Reward Points I believe. But we're talking about first here. Pretty much to even hope for first place is being in a top 20 guild. But wait! What about 1v1 AT's? 1st place ONLY gets 26 reward points. The average person in top 25% of AT's will get roughly 15 reward points. If I spent all the time I have spent doing AT's and hero battles (you still gotta do regular matches for practice or else you'll never be that good) and farmed for money for FoW instead I would have like 2 Fow Sets by now. And let's just add that I've only accumulated a total of 600 reward points... barely halfway to getting Fancy Armor. Which I still have to spend even more RP just to buy the fancy armor I want.

/signed

it's said that the pvpers can reach this armor, it was made for pve'ers and it's their highest "rank"

pvpers have /rank thingy so again

/signed

/notsigned

Even the worst players in Guild Wars can get FoW armor in pve. Credit Card.

Armors mean nothing.

Jealousy is a bitch.
Anyways, getting obsidian armor in PvP takes more time than in PvE. Also, it requires skill. Aggroing mutated bulls and refreshing enchantments does not. Also, ecto's are worth what? 5k? 4k?

/notsigned

and still, lol

/signed and Agreed'.

Easy to Get?
http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Obsidian_Armor
120 Ectoplasm (average = ~6.5k) = 780k
120 Shards (average = 3.4k)
780k + 408k + 75k(15k per peice) + ~400 of a Common Crafting Material

Total for PvE = 1,263K (not including common crafting materials)

when one of you PvP'ers can give me 1,263k in a month without using a credit card let me know.

oh wait..... thats possible because you guys get rare skin weapons like the stygian reaver from the HoH chest (whenever you guys do that... doesn't seem you guys have cared for the past oh... 10 months?).

PvP was meant to be an instant level 20 toon with all the skills unlocked... NOT an Instant level 20 toon + all skills unlocked + ability to unlock armor.

It takes a crazy amount of PvP skill against other PvP players to earn these reward points at a half-decent rate. I've done plenty of calculations about this in other threads, but didn't know the final cost of FoW armor.

Essentially, it will take over 4 months for the top 20 HvH players to be able to access the final tiers of armor and weapons, plus another 2 months to earn enough for FoW itself. Getting this armor is neither cheap, or easy by any stretch, especially compared to PvE.

The price of an Ecto is now 5.5k and Shards are 2.7k at the trader, so less than that at market value. The total price makes it less than 1,000k including crafting costs when you buy from people, not traders. I think a million gold would be pretty easy to farm steadily over a four month period, as you're not competing directly with other people for it.

Let's make a real comparison, using the million gold baseline.

Each tournament, you get 26 points for first place (20+6), and less if you're in the top 16th, scaling all the way to one point a win. Each tournament takes under an hour and a half to complete. To be able to unlock high end armor, you need to spend 20 points x 50 for fancy armor, plus 200 points x 5 for your Obsidian armor. This doesn't count the cost for an exotic weapon, because we don't yet know how much it costs because nobody has gotten there yet. That's 1000 to unlock the tier, and another 1000 to afford it. That's 2000 points total.

To make a direct comparison, earning one point is like earning 500g toward your obsidiant armor. Now, imagine you are an average, competant PvP player and you enter a number of tournaments. Each tournament, you get 3 wins and 3 loses. That would net in you in a place between 20th and 35th, give or take a few places, and in all cases, you would end up with 3 points.

That's 80 minutes of your time for 1.5k, on a strict shedule, that is, you can only play 3 times a day on specific hours of the day, so you have to fit your shedule around it. I think any PvE player who actively farms should be able to beat that mark, especially because they are not restricted by time.

At 3 points a tourney, 5 tourney's a week, it would take over two and a half years for this PvPer to gain FoW armor. Guild Wars hasn't existed for that long yet.

/notsigned

Why??

GW:EN PVE

PVP? nothing >.>

/signed for this

For people who say "Oh you nubs are just jealous" or whatever, I bet not a single one of you would sign for phoenix emotes corresponding to PvE titles. Why? Jealous? Want all the pretty candy to yourself???

If PvE got emotes, new or recycled ones, for Kind of a Big Deal, People Know Me, and I'm Very important, I'd be happy indeed. That's a big enough challenge to deserve an emote.

There is no reason why a PvP character should care about PvE emotes, same as there is no reason why a PvE character should care about PvP armor. Players who tend to one side of the scale hardly ever see the other in game, so I don't see how anyone could feel that one person's accomplishments in a different gametype diminish their own.

Wanting all the pretty candy to yourself is a pretty piss poor attitude, wouldn't you agree?

If you had any idea how hard it is to even unlock a couple of 1.5k armors...you wouldn't be making this thread. Not to mention the fact that they're not even account-based; you buy 'em for a char, you have to keep that char or you lose it.

/creditcard will get you /banned

So no, they cannot get it that easily.

_Zexion

Yeah if they find out about it. They can not find out if someone buys gold from a website unless the account name the person uses for the site is the same as their GW one and Anet hack into the site to find them. the sites are spammed in international districts and so yeah it is that easy.

/no opinion cause they're not gonna mess with it, ATS related=gg.

/notsigned
I actually want elite armor in PvP...
Why? Well, I'm not the best farmer, and I PvP more often than I do PvE.
I do have 15k canthan on my warrior, and that left me with 299 gold left. Fear it.
Anyway, I would actually like to.... uuuh... get 15k armor for my PvP characters because i would look cool... and pretty...
But it's mainly for my own greed.

Who gives a rat's ass?

It's not like the PvP character will come waltzing though Gates of Kryta.

Yes, you can unlock it for PvP, but that's all. Why should PvE armour even show up in PvP matches? It's not like you earned it killing folks, you farm moron AI. I vote that PvE armours turn into starter armour in PvP, and ONLY PvP armour unlocks can show up.

Oh, /notsigned if you hadn't grasped that.

Given that PvE characters can take EVERYTHING they have into PvP or PvE, despite not earning a shred of it actually playing PvP I don't see how giving PvP-only characters the ability to earn PvP-only rewards is of ANY concern to a PvEer.

I'm not against PvP getting Nice prizes, but they already get enormously better prizes than PvE. They get cash prizes, real cash prizes! And just about the only thing PvE has going for it is collecting high-end armors/weapons. But now PvP has all the PvE armors, and more weapons...

I'm not saying PvPers don't work for there's, they probably work alot harder (not that I would really know I'm mostly a PvE'r) but the thing is they still get the cash prizes and everything that PvE'rs get. I don't know but that doesn't seem very fair to me...

If all the people that bought gold got banned there wouldnt be all the bots farming because there wouldnt be anyone buying it.

Think before posting.

/Not Signed

In GW there hybrid players(like me),hardcore PvPer and hardcore PvErs,Its just another way to get some armor,if PvE/farming is not ur stuff then go PvP^^Anyway with a PvP character you can showoff only at GuildHall in PvP aeras,and elite/obsidian armor are made to showoff arn't they?=P

But I still think there a downpoint,when I am PvPing im used to say when I see someone in 15karmor/obsidian "gg,this guy is a PvEr and work hard to have it".

But just a question,how can you get those elite/obsidian armor?Baltha points?If yes how much for a Elite?10k?

Reward Points aren't easy to get.
and you can get crystallines in pve tyvm
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The armour sets are a helluva lot more elite gained from PvP than PvE, so I see no reason why to nerf this system.

First of all, HA is way different from GvG, and I thinjk not many people play HA anymore (cookiecutters, arrogance, etc). And, let me tell you, the drops from the reward chest in Halls are crap. Just utter crap. 9 out of 10 drops you'll get a Flame of Balth (yippeee! 1,000 faction), after that maybe you'll get a gold weapon, then maybe a Sigil, and one out of million will get you the miniature Ghostly. And about those golds: not only the rare skins drop from them. The rare skins are just as rare as you are to find an ecto in an UW run. Seeing that you can clear the Bladies and Smities much faster than you can win Halls, my three words fopr you are: ktnxbai.

Slightly off-topic....
I don't play alot PvP nowadays axcepted some regular GvG and didn't use the few reward points.
I have a question, is the unlocked armor piece unlocked for every PvP toon regardless its class, for one class, or for one PvP character who wil loose this privilege if it is rerolled?

/signed

ive been playing pve for more than 2 years, and i finally got my obsidian armor to play with... i think this should stay pve only... perhaps add other 15k armors but not the obsidian >.<

lol @ destroy the economy, i dont quite think it would destroy the ecomomy but what it would do is give PvEers the chance to get it and make it a "fun" item like it should be.

PvPers dont have any need for money, PvErs use money to buy armour and weapons and other thigs PvEwise, PvPers unlock them instead with faction etc.

Nope, reroll and lose all your hard work... its an incentive not to reroll the pvp character, so in affect, its a new style of PvE...

However, any hardcore PvP'er will have 10 slots at least, giving them 1 slot per profession (as they will have all three chapters and maybe the nightfall preorder and an extra slot for completism)

PvP'ers now have the equivalent of money for PvP - reward points!

Reward Points need to technically be farmed through playing over and over and over again, hence farming them (although no PvP'er will consider it farming as its against other players and not AI and so a lot more fun)

PvP'ers then trade in said reward points for Armour and Weapons skin unlocks

ergo, Reward Points = PvP Gold

Your now all fighting over teh same thing with a different name... SHUT UP!

as mentioned a couple of times.

why should pve care about pvp armors? its not like your going to see them. and Even if you do get lost on your way to the next uber farm and find your self in Temple of Balthz, whats going to give you a red flag that someone has obsidian armor from pvp, or pve? Im pretty sure you wont know unless you ask, but why would you ask? since it shouldnt matter.

And back to the emotes in pve, honestly, your titles are emotes, thats why anet gave you titles. so you can show them at all times and brag about your "hard" achievements.

Emotes are HA exclusive, as a ways to see their rank before the title system came out. Crystallines do drop in PvE. I guess you're not even good enough at PvE to be aware of that? I don't see a point to your Mini ghostly thing. It's just like me wanting Mini mallyx to drop from halls chest...Mallyx is for DoA, Ghostly is for HA.

/signed

i agree with everything in 1st post.

I don't play pvp myself and I could care less if they get all of the armor unlocked. But it would be fair to allow pve players the same access. Minis, weapons or whatever. Playing pvp is about playing other people. Playing pve is about playing against the game. From what I'm seeing it's turned into what loot you can get from each variation of play instead of the play itself. So give pve players title emotes but make them different say a horse for first level, a bear for second level and a lion for final level... something like that if those aren't already in pvp. And honestly if it was up to me I would give the pvp players unlimited unlocks to all armor and weapons with no restrictions. Armor and weapon skins aren't going to affect there play. Skill and teamwork will. Farming loot or farming points is all the same to me. But I was curious about something, doesn't a title show above the head of pvp players that relates to their rank as well as getting an emote? And as for destroying the ecomony by allowing access to pvp items, who's it destroying it for? Just allow EVERYTHING from both sides to go to everyone. Then we can all find something else to complain about.

killing monsters, just how pvpers get pve stuff by killing players

Those greens come with set stats, what if you didn't want them?

while i agree the mini pet should be left pvp only as pve has mallyx, insulting a large group of people i don't agree with. Using the term "scrub" shows how childish you realy are.

on another note: it appears a pvp character on a prophecies only account can unlock kurzick/luxon armour, kinda strange seing as thats part of the "content" you purchase with the full version of factions. :S

/notsigned. I rarely play pvp, but I fail to see why it would matter what armor they are wearing, it has the same stats anyway, which is why I haven never bothered to get elite armors..

You do get the point. You do see how absurd it is.

You just labeled Mallyx as DoA (pve) and the Mini Ghostly as HA (pvp).

In that sense, The Ascended armors like Elite/10k/Obsidian were only available in PVE, just like other things were available only in PvP (Sigils).

Each gametype had their own incentive for playing.

Rank is only available in PvP. Balthazar Faction is only available in PvP.

Content is designed to get people crossing over.

Overlapping content is stupid, imo.

Leave the elite PvE armors to PvE. PvP rewards should be unique to PvP. THeres a few unique skins, but the "Elite" armors of PvP are essentially handme-downs from PvE.

PvP should have its OWN elite armor.

Wow, this is possibly the dumbest thread i've read in a while.. shouldn't you be saving this sort of thing for GWO?

oh no, pvp is getting a little bit of attention
Q____Q

This thread has become a monster, and as I don't have the number for the Ghostbusters handy, I'll fire up my own proton pack and kick the trap switch myself.

If you're going to complain about PvP players getting items you believe should be PvE exclusive, try doing it at a forum where PvE is a sacred religion, never to be contaminated with the evils of Player versus Player competitions.