Using the less used elites

jimmyboveto

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jul 2006

Legion of Avalon

06 Jun 2007 at 02:39 - 1

Ok, although warriors have many good elites(eviscerate, d slash, etc...), there seems to be a handful of elites that have just been forgotten, and I have never seen them been used in a build before. To name a few of these...

1.{Magehunter's Strike}
2.{Magehunter's Smash}
3.{Enraged Smash}
4.{Primal Rage}

Anyways, there's probably a few more, but those are then the most commonly forgot about elites imo.

Alright, now to the actual purpose of this thread. What I would like to do, is find uses for these elites, and possibly some other skills that work well with them. Why do I bother when there are already so many other good elites you might ask? Well, simply because having a variety of playing styles is just more fun.

So... anyone have any comments, ideas, etc...?

Jimmy

masteroflife

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2006

06 Jun 2007 at 02:45 - 2

i've seen magehunter's strike used in gvg. but imo there is no point to use the less used elite since they are less used because they are simply inferior.

farmpig

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Oct 2006

06 Jun 2007 at 03:22 - 3

I think you forgot hundred blades many people hate that skill lol

Cathode_Reborn

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Sep 2006

06 Jun 2007 at 05:32 - 4

I think Primal Rage is one of the worst elites in the game

It's like using [skill]Blackout[/skill] on yourself - lose all adren, can't use stances to run, etc....it's funny cause it's supposed to make you do more damage yet it just makes you harmless.

Marty Silverblade

Administrator

Join Date: Jun 2006

06 Jun 2007 at 08:43 - 5

The reason most elites aren't used in PvE is because they suck. Eviscerate or Whirling Axe? Eviscerate, of course. While I find it fun to use lesser used elites, some are just crap or pointless. Like that Monk one that diverts itself. Why be scared of enemy Mesmers when your elite diverts itself... wth Anet?

Evilsod

Banned

Join Date: Mar 2006

England

Lievs Death Squad [LDS]

06 Jun 2007 at 10:52 - 6

I'm with Primal Rage been the worst elite, if not the worst skill in the game.

I never understood the point in Enraged Smash, it basically asks you to bring a full bar of Adren skills... and not use them so they remain fully charged.

jimmyboveto

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jul 2006

Legion of Avalon

06 Jun 2007 at 11:41 - 7

Quote:

Originally Posted by farmpig

I think you forgot hundred blades many people hate that skill lol Hundred Blades? No, i wouldn't say that skill is less used. In fact, I see many w/mo's going around with it, whom won't listen to me when i suggest d slash or crippling slash.

Hmmm, i thought about it for a little while though, and maybe primal rage could be used with some assassin skills? That activate when you get crit hits?

Turbobusa

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jan 2006

By the Luxon Scavenger

The Mentalists [THPK]

06 Jun 2007 at 12:25 - 8

I tried using enraged smash. it doesn't require a full bar of adrenaline, but you so, so lack a deep wound.

enraged/flail/WY/rush, you got the full bonus, an IAS, defense, but you smash like dumb and if monsters happen to kite, you're done. Maybe Add bulls strike?
With res sig, a self heal if you dont trust your monk, you only got one skill left and nothing to apply a deep wound. Thats why I dont use it.

jimmyboveto, crits from primal rage are only usefull in big damage weapons eg hammer or scythe, as PR disable all you skills and the assassin only use skills to deal damage.

phool

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jan 2007

06 Jun 2007 at 14:09 - 9

enraged smash-(counter blow)-flail-rush-lion's comfort

if you've got a nec or d/n running dark fury it makes for some pretty mad dps in pve. Then again, if you've got dark fury up a lot of things start to get pretty scary when kiting isn't an issue.

Magehunter's strike is fine for r/w where you'd run something like magehunter-prot strike-hammer bash-crushing blow. With skills like weapon of fury it becomes a little more usable but still not worth it for warrior primary.

whirling axe is simply terrible. It just deprives better attack skills of adrenaline.

You can set up a perman KD chain running magehunter's-"on your knees!"-enraging smash, but it's better with dev hammer where auspicious provides energy management. the dev version needs FGJ to maintain the same level of shutdown but the condition on magehunter's is just too limiting.

primal rage is unusable. If you could run IAS with it it'd be ok on w/d with a scythe.

skull crack, coward, soldier's stance, shove, victory is mine, hundred blades, quivering blade, rage of the ntouka, headbutt, flourish, defy pain, cleave and decapitate are all skills I wouldn't use on a warrior primary or wouldn't use at all in any situation, having tried most of them.

clawofcrimson

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Sep 2006

Crimson Claw

06 Jun 2007 at 14:19 - 10

I posted a guide a while back that had a build for every elite... and primal rage was definitely the hardest to make work.

lacasner

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jun 2006

06 Jun 2007 at 14:21 - 11

Do you have the link?

Bowstring Badass

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2005

Character selection screen figuring what I want to play...

Purple Lingerie - :D

06 Jun 2007 at 14:51 - 12

Quote:

Originally Posted by jimmyboveto

Hundred Blades? No, i wouldn't say that skill is less used. In fact, I see many w/mo's going around with it, whom won't listen to me when i suggest d slash or crippling slash.

Hmmm, i thought about it for a little while though, and maybe primal rage could be used with some assassin skills? That activate when you get crit hits?
You have that problem getting through to the stupid w/mo's also? lol

And for phool

skull crack, coward, soldier's stance, shove, victory is mine, hundred blades, quivering blade, rage of the ntouka, headbutt, flourish, defy pain, cleave and decapitate

Why dont you try using Coward, shove on an assassin. Cleave is ok untill you can cap Eviscerate and for Decapitate use it at the end of your skill chain like the Eviscerate bar just use Decapitate last not 1st just change a few skills to make it work. Quivering Blade and Headbutt are great skills just take plague touch in the case of Quivering you have to miss then use Plague Touch to transfer Dazed but Headbutt dmg and dazed ftw. Rage of the Ntouka another great elite to use with a sword use Rage then Sever then Gash then __ then __ then rage and use Lions comfort when needed and Rush when needed to chase down runners. Skull Crack is good with a scythe. And Victory is Mine is great with desperation blow with balalanced stance. Just open your mind up to new ideas and stop going to PvXwiki for your builds.

phool

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jan 2007

06 Jun 2007 at 16:45 - 13

Quote:

Originally Posted by phool

skull crack, coward, soldier's stance, shove, victory is mine, hundred blades, quivering blade, rage of the ntouka, headbutt, flourish, defy pain, cleave and decapitate are all skills I wouldn't use on a warrior primary or wouldn't use at all in any situation, having tried most of them.

Quote: Originally Posted by Bowstring Badass

Why dont you try using Coward, shove on an assassin.

Cleave, decapitate and quivering are redundant (eviscerate, triple chop, dragon slash). I'm perfectly capable of building around them but they're not worth it. Headbutt+plague touch blows, I ran it the moment NF came out and rejected it. BHA, bestial mauling and stunning strike are the only methods of inflicting daze I would run outside of very niche instances (have used a beguiling in GvG twice but it's hardly a regular feature). RoTN is a terrible skill that never sees use outside of RA for good reason. ViM is an elite conditional self heal which only just pays for itself and the skills inflicting the conditions, its only uses have been obliterated when it was made single target in response to ViM-way. Skull crack is even worse with a scythe than anything else due to scythes attack speed and lack of adrenal skills.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bowstring Badass

Just open your mind up to new ideas and stop going to PvXwiki for your builds. It's substandard crap like balanced+vim+desperation/drunken that I unfavour at wiki. The builds I don't entirely invent myself I adapt from obs mode.

pingu666

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jul 2006

guildhall

[DETH]

06 Jun 2007 at 16:51 - 14

i tried primal rage with my warrior once, made no difference or was worse than just autoattacking :/

Halmyr

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jul 2005

Canada! eh!

~none~

W/Me

06 Jun 2007 at 22:29 - 15

Primal rage does not suck, I actualy quite enjoy it.

Its a very simple, almost mind numing elite.

14 strengh ( 12+1+1)
15 Axe ( 12+3)

With Iway, strenght signet, and the such, its really good damage, don't bring any attack skills doh.

Evilsod

Banned

Join Date: Mar 2006

England

Lievs Death Squad [LDS]

06 Jun 2007 at 23:37 - 16

No primal rage just sucks. I once tried it with a Hammer and IWAY and it barely did any more damage than a normal frigging attack would. And more to the point, you get no attack skills. This is PvE we're talking about, things need attack skills, you can't just auto-attack everything to death.

After that i vow to never, ever use that elite again.

LifeInfusion

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: May 2005

in the midline

E/Mo

07 Jun 2007 at 03:34 - 17

If I recall correctly, Primal Rage damage is just armor penetration. Bonus damage from attacks ignores armor, so it is more beneficial to run a bunch of adrenaline attacks.

Halmyr

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jul 2005

Canada! eh!

~none~

W/Me

07 Jun 2007 at 04:43 - 18

run it with an axe, I find that to be the most effective.

at 14 strengh, it also increase the chance of critical by 52%

Chrono Re delle Ere

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jul 2006

The Land of Hyrule

[GoE]

07 Jun 2007 at 23:45 - 19

Well, enraged smash can be a funny elite; u bring with u 4 adrenaline attacks+enraged smash itself, then just spam it to hell with a very nice amount of dmg; 5 skills to use at 100% the elite and, if math is not an opinion, you still have 3 slots for more skill: lets say 1 for a res, other two skills for something like....I don't know xD Anyway the point is that enraged smash is not that bad....I was even thinking about a spike build with shadow steps for that LoL. As regards primal rage, it's not that bad...lol I'm joking it's the worst skill (not elite skill, just skill, you know...) EVER.

Another just BAD elite skill is "Coward!"; I mean, you can use it to knock down someone who is fleeing, but 6 adrenaline is just too much. If it was higly spammable that would have been nice.....Still I think Skull Crack is a nice skill xD

While sometimes I think that some elite skills should be normal skills, then there are some cases where I think that normal skills could have easily been elite skill (see Spirit Bond; it's just....whew nice).

clawofcrimson

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Sep 2006

Crimson Claw

07 Jun 2007 at 23:51 - 20

Quote:

Originally Posted by lacasner

Do you have the link? I cant get there... must have dissappeared.