Well since a couple people have been private messaging me for the build and asking on here ill go ahead and put the build back up.
[Attributes]
16 Dagger
12 Critical Strikes
7 Shadow Arts
2 Smiting Prayers
[Skills]
1.Shadow Walk
2.Shadowy Burden
3.Black Lotus Strike
4.Shattering Assault
5.Black Spider Strike
6.Twisting Fangs
7.Dash
8.Judges Insight
You should note i use this build primarily for AB so hex removal and blind isn't too much of a problem. If you worried about Hex removal and blind drop shadow walk and dash for expose defenses/siphon speed and mending touch and reallocate points however you want. This is just the way I run the build.
Shattering Assault Spiker
Aida
Icy DS
Holy Veil > You
carbajac
While that may be true, this is ab he's talking about.
Icy DS
And hex removal is not allowed in AB?
Why wasn't I informed of this?!?!?
Why wasn't I informed of this?!?!?
Aida
While the holy veil argument is all well and true the same could be said about dozens of other assassin builds, theres just not enough slots on a bar to prepare for everything. With that beeing said observe your targets and chose which to spike wisely. Anyways any criticism is appreciated but plz dont reply with flames pointing out over obvious things. Another thing is if your worried about holy veil switch your attack combo to jagged strike>>wild strike>>shattering assault that takes care of hex removal and each attack recharges in 1-4 secs to you can keep the dmg coming.
Icy DS
Blinding Surge > You
ZenRgy
Expose defenses is nice, considering every warrior in AB has riposte or some defensive stance, and every ranger has whirling and every second assassin has flashing blades.
Coloneh
im glad we're all mature enough to take criticism here.
Aida
This has nothing to do with criticism. When posted in the right way i have no problem with it, but when posting obvious things which nearly any assassin will have problems with in a flaming matter thats when it becomes a problem. I've been playing GW for over 2 years now and read these forums for nearly that long as well. Although during that time i've noticed the kind of flames and things that go on with this forum which was whats held me back for so long on taking a active role in beeing a member of these forums. And now that i finally do something constructive for the forums first thing i get in response is a flame. So no ty ill just go back to beeing a observer with nothing important to post, good day.
African War Lord
so what was the build..? why erase it lol.. were you that embarrassed? who cares what people think, especially on a forum.
Yanman.be
You triple posted...can I see the build again pretty please? I want to know where to fuss is all about.
Marverick
...Judge's Insight...??
Drop it and Shadowy Burden for Expose Defenses and Siphon Speed, that way you have two hexes and I doubt people carry Divert Hexes or Convert Hexes in AB.
Drop it and Shadowy Burden for Expose Defenses and Siphon Speed, that way you have two hexes and I doubt people carry Divert Hexes or Convert Hexes in AB.
ArKaiN
Hex removal isn't illegal, but it's widely ignored in AB, where Mending Wammos and Boa sins flock to mate
Aida
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Originally Posted by Marverick
...Judge's Insight...??
Drop it and Shadowy Burden for Expose Defenses and Siphon Speed, that way you have two hexes and I doubt people carry Divert Hexes or Convert Hexes in AB. The whole point of the build is to exploit the dmg of shattering assault using shadowy burden for -20 armor and judges insight for 20% Armor penetration, without those 2 skills this build has nothing to offer besides medicore dmg from shattering assault, the dmg from shattering assault using those 2 skills can range anywhere from 120-215 dmg per shot so why drop them?. I like deadly arts but the point of this build is to break away from that line which everyone seems to be using and try and use the shadow arts line for dmg buffing. If i was to drop judges insight and shadowy burden for siphon speed and expose defenses wouldnt this just be another shadow prison type of spike? And in that case why would i need to post it since everyone uses that build anyways.
Drop it and Shadowy Burden for Expose Defenses and Siphon Speed, that way you have two hexes and I doubt people carry Divert Hexes or Convert Hexes in AB. The whole point of the build is to exploit the dmg of shattering assault using shadowy burden for -20 armor and judges insight for 20% Armor penetration, without those 2 skills this build has nothing to offer besides medicore dmg from shattering assault, the dmg from shattering assault using those 2 skills can range anywhere from 120-215 dmg per shot so why drop them?. I like deadly arts but the point of this build is to break away from that line which everyone seems to be using and try and use the shadow arts line for dmg buffing. If i was to drop judges insight and shadowy burden for siphon speed and expose defenses wouldnt this just be another shadow prison type of spike? And in that case why would i need to post it since everyone uses that build anyways.
ArKaiN
its fun; it's also an old, old trick. the only innovation I see is judge's insight, but unless I'm mistaken, that has a horrible cast time and duration, moreso with low smiting.
phool
spiking fast > spiking big I'd say. In AB everyone seems to run 2 sups and a minor vigor anyway. The prep time for your spike and required energy are too high for this to be really effective and the window of opportunity is small.
JI+burden is better done with someone else taking JI. Take a [skill]Master of Magic[/skill], [skill]Signet of Removal[/skill] or [skill]Air of Enchantment[/skill] smiter and then train on a target.
JI+burden is better done with someone else taking JI. Take a [skill]Master of Magic[/skill], [skill]Signet of Removal[/skill] or [skill]Air of Enchantment[/skill] smiter and then train on a target.
Aida
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Originally Posted by phool
spiking fast > spiking big I'd say. In AB everyone seems to run 2 sups and a minor vigor anyway. The prep time for your spike and required energy are too high for this to be really effective and the window of opportunity is small.
JI+burden is better done with someone else taking JI. Take a [skill]Master of Magic[/skill], [skill]Signet of Removal[/skill] or [skill]Air of Enchantment[/skill] smiter and then train on a target. lol while i would bring a personal smiter most people turn there head at the thought of having a smiter solely to buff targets for buffs. On that note judges insight lasts 10 secs with 2 smiting prayers which for me seems to be plenty to get off my combo. Even if it doesnt last all the way through the combo for some reason its only there to buff shattering assault really. So far i've been able to tear through Dark bond MM's, prot monks, and earth ele's with ease using this build, of course this is AB im talking about and in 4vs4 arena the setup time and stuff could present a problem. But heck for me this has been working great most targets dont last past shattering assault to see any degen or deepwound^^
JI+burden is better done with someone else taking JI. Take a [skill]Master of Magic[/skill], [skill]Signet of Removal[/skill] or [skill]Air of Enchantment[/skill] smiter and then train on a target. lol while i would bring a personal smiter most people turn there head at the thought of having a smiter solely to buff targets for buffs. On that note judges insight lasts 10 secs with 2 smiting prayers which for me seems to be plenty to get off my combo. Even if it doesnt last all the way through the combo for some reason its only there to buff shattering assault really. So far i've been able to tear through Dark bond MM's, prot monks, and earth ele's with ease using this build, of course this is AB im talking about and in 4vs4 arena the setup time and stuff could present a problem. But heck for me this has been working great most targets dont last past shattering assault to see any degen or deepwound^^
phool
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Originally Posted by Aida
But heck for me this has been working great most targets dont last past shattering assault to see any degen or deepwound^^
I can believe that, in AB. But why are you overkilling? If you're still getting all the kills with just burden, which you should be easily against 60ALs that aren't healed quite significently, drop JI for a self heal or utility or shorten your chain as appropriate. The bare minimum is really the ideal.
Aida
This is overkill to a extend but on some monks or warriors or even earth ele's you need all 4 attacks to bring them down which is why i bring all 4 attacks. For the most part though i just need black lotus to get to the chain without auto attacking for energy though. But i guess im just a big number freak i like seeing 170+ dmg per attack and seeing people say "WTF JUST HIT ME? ??" it brings me a sort of satisfaction you just cant get running the same build 9 other assassins are running at the same time but does the same thing as your build. Anyways this build does work alright running a jagged>>wild strike>>shattering combo but energy is tighter running that. Theres many options to run, this is just something i came up with to see how big of dmg i could get and i was just quite surprised at the results and wanted to share it. If the overkill worries some of you just shorten the combo up or drop JI for a self heal or hex/condition removal or another cover hex. Im just showing it how i've been running it lately.
candyman_sb
how about this?
1. Shadowy Burden 2. Black Mantis Thrust 3. Wild Strike 4. Shatering Asault 5. Impale? for a deepwound All 3 attack skills have 4 sec recharge. This way u can spam shatering asault better and gives u a better snare. If u concentrate on reducing armor whats the point of using other duals other than shatering asault. And u won't get out of energy very fast unless u get no crits but if u use critical eye than is hard to not get any criticals. I'm not saying that my combo is better than yours but i can switch target after a kill much faster while u have to wait for ur skills to recharge. Though I must agree that ur build can spike better. Am I A Good Sin
Yeah I can c this build in action. Mostly any counter to melee is a counter to this build. Also protective spirit. Like u said those r obvious problems with all assassin builds. Pretty much this build is as good as the others because the counters r the same, they do the same thing nearly. I think a shadowstep would help this build out though if u can fit that in. Judge's Insight might be a bit bad for the build because ur already kiling well enough. I'd take sundering daggers instead since to kill some1 u won't ALWAYS need that 20%. Then u have an extra spot. U can use another shadow arts hex or a heal. That's just my 2 cents though.
P.S: don't quit just cause some noob decides to flame u. Aida
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Originally Posted by candyman_sb
how about this?
1. Shadowy Burden 2. Black Mantis Thrust 3. Wild Strike 4. Shatering Asault 5. Impale? for a deepwound All 3 attack skills have 4 sec recharge. This way u can spam shatering asault better and gives u a better snare. If u concentrate on reducing armor whats the point of using other duals other than shatering asault. And u won't get out of energy very fast unless u get no crits but if u use critical eye than is hard to not get any criticals. I'm not saying that my combo is better than yours but i can switch target after a kill much faster while u have to wait for ur skills to recharge. Though I must agree that ur build can spike better. I have to admit i didnt think about using black mantis thrust with wild strike and shattering. That does sound nice but energy would be the key concern for me. As for adding impale...thats 4 attribute lines you gotta split points into then which may be overdoing it. I try and keep dagger at 16 for this build for the most dmg and while JI is definitly expendable using a 4 sec recharge combo is going to require a greater investment in critical strikes to keep the energy pumping. I would probably try and bring shadow arts to 9 so shadowy burden lasts 10 secs since that build has more of a pressure feel to it. candyman_sb
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Originally Posted by Aida
I have to admit i didnt think about using black mantis thrust with wild strike and shattering. That does sound nice but energy would be the key concern for me. As for adding impale...thats 4 attribute lines you gotta split points into then which may be overdoing it. I try and keep dagger at 16 for this build for the most dmg and while JI is definitly expendable using a 4 sec recharge combo is going to require a greater investment in critical strikes to keep the energy pumping. I would probably try and bring shadow arts to 9 so shadowy burden lasts 10 secs since that build has more of a pressure feel to it.
I didn't say u have to put points in deadly arts, the impale is just for DW and I think is worth it for 5 energy even if it wont do any extra dmg.
If u could have 12 CS and critical eye u wouldn't run out of energy to fast and u would have enough points for shadow arts. I dont think the sup rune is any good, 75 hp>3 dmg. 2 major runes+1 minor would be ok. edit: Tested my build agains master of healing and protection and couldn't kill them. Then I tryed my deathblossom-moebius, they got owned. Then I used my derv with lyssa with same results as moebius. Any dps build that can't take those out is weak for me. So my build is low on dps maybe yours is better. |