Currently I'm sitting at 65k on my friends of the Kurzick title, meaning I need to grind 25k to get the title, then I can start grinding it for the kurzick/luxon skills. However I have earned 105'783 faction on my account because of faction spent on amber (not knowing about the titles becoming required) or lost due to earning over the 10k limit. But if I had known this would be coming, I would already have the title at rank 1.
But since I didn't, and my alliance has no chance of holding a town, I spent my faction where it actually gave the benefits I knew about and I lost out when this came around.
From a lore perspective this would make more sense as you earn the title for helping a faction, not for cashing out on the goodwill you earned helping them.
Work the friends titles on faction earned, not faction spent.
bilateralrope
Voltar
yeah, the faction donation is pretty useless unless you're in a guild that wants control of a town (which...especially after the invent of travel scrolls...is also pretty useless). kinda bums me out since i am all about ab.
i ended up getting the first title just to have it but donated faction is such a waste that i completely blew off any further progress. people might complain that it's a double-reward (as far as a title can be considered a reward) but then treasure-hunter would be considered a quadruple-reward (since you get a weapon/offhand, a point towards treasure-hunter, a 50/50 chance at getting a gold you can id for a point towards wisdom, and both tangible bonuses from the treasure-hunter and wisdom title tracks...maybe then a quintuple reward?)
after arguing with myself for about 45 seconds, i'd have to agree with you there. good idea.
i ended up getting the first title just to have it but donated faction is such a waste that i completely blew off any further progress. people might complain that it's a double-reward (as far as a title can be considered a reward) but then treasure-hunter would be considered a quadruple-reward (since you get a weapon/offhand, a point towards treasure-hunter, a 50/50 chance at getting a gold you can id for a point towards wisdom, and both tangible bonuses from the treasure-hunter and wisdom title tracks...maybe then a quintuple reward?)
after arguing with myself for about 45 seconds, i'd have to agree with you there. good idea.
Winterclaw
Good idea. Anything to relieve grind is a help.
Too bad it's unlikely for anet to go back and change it.
Too bad it's unlikely for anet to go back and change it.
1 up and 2 down
/signed
Its nice they added extra kurzick/luxon PvE skills but if they would have said they were adding them maybe people would have worked on the kurzick/luxon titles more and what not.
Its nice they added extra kurzick/luxon PvE skills but if they would have said they were adding them maybe people would have worked on the kurzick/luxon titles more and what not.
Arshay Duskbrow
Agreed. I've earned over 512,000 Luxon faction, every last bit of which was spent on Jadeite, so despite all that work I'm not even at "Friend" level 1. Anet, PLEASE FIX THIS.
KamikazeChicken
I agree with Meemo, not that I'd have known it was Meemo b/c of his avatar change. o.O
vergerefosh
/signed
Doesn't affect me that much, but for those who've gotten 15K Kurz or Lux using faction to get amber jade etc. will be useful to them
Doesn't affect me that much, but for those who've gotten 15K Kurz or Lux using faction to get amber jade etc. will be useful to them
shivanSoule
i guess it would not be possible since there isnt a track that keeps records of the amount of faction we earned and traded for amber/jade before the update.
edit: there is a record.
/notsigned
edit: there is a record.
/notsigned
Dreikki
There are tons of topics concerning this thing.
/definitely signed
/definitely signed
Neo Nugget
/signed. It would help alot
The Bard
/signed
and there is something keeping track, just mouseover on the luxon/kurzick faction bars it'll say how much you've earned on your account, just like balthazar faction.
and there is something keeping track, just mouseover on the luxon/kurzick faction bars it'll say how much you've earned on your account, just like balthazar faction.
darkk wound
/not signed /not signed /not signed /not signed
Draxanoth
/Signed
This is the best way to do it. You don't get people whining that they spent their faction purely for title, the people who bought amber ages ago and are now screwed aren't at a disadvantage either. They just have to swap one memory pointer and it's done. Sounds good to me.
This is the best way to do it. You don't get people whining that they spent their faction purely for title, the people who bought amber ages ago and are now screwed aren't at a disadvantage either. They just have to swap one memory pointer and it's done. Sounds good to me.
tenshi_strife
/signed yea this would be nice, i spent most of my faction on shit i could use, and now im boned.....
legion_rat
/signed I spent alot on jadite. seems a waste now.
~the rat~
~the rat~
Zexion
/signed
Spent 38k of my kurzick faction on amber:/
_Zexion
Spent 38k of my kurzick faction on amber:/
_Zexion
Commander Ryker
Whether you buy jadite, amber or "donate" the whole lot, it's still a grind.
The Hand Of Death
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i guess it would not be possible since there isnt a track that keeps records of the amount of faction we earned and traded for amber/jade before the update.
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From a lore perspective this would make more sense as you earn the title for helping a faction, not for cashing out on the goodwill you earned helping them.
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So maybe you should rethink your answer. As for the starter of the thread:
/signed
If I knew this was going to happen I would have been working on my title more rather than trading it in for jade.
BlueNovember
/signed, pressuming those who donated for a title in the first place get an equivalent bonus.
DeBron
/signed
Spent over 200k faction on Amber when it only sold for about 500g a piece. I didn't even make that much money off of it.
Spent over 200k faction on Amber when it only sold for about 500g a piece. I didn't even make that much money off of it.
PureEvilYak
/signed. I wasted 100k faction on Jade. Didn't think it was a waste then, know it was one now. Now that it does give you faction anway, well, it makes sense to do things this way.
MithranArkanere
Not many people earn faction of both sides at the same time...
Su usaully less than the 0.1% of the faction earned is lost due to givin points to the other side...
So... the value in the Faction bars total could be fairly used as the value for the title.
Faction spent, not faction given. You can't give faction to anything lese than the NPC in the same side... and you help them when you DO things like killing monsters or enemies... not when you give faction.
So this is absolutely logical.
Su usaully less than the 0.1% of the faction earned is lost due to givin points to the other side...
So... the value in the Faction bars total could be fairly used as the value for the title.
Faction spent, not faction given. You can't give faction to anything lese than the NPC in the same side... and you help them when you DO things like killing monsters or enemies... not when you give faction.
So this is absolutely logical.
bilateralrope
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Not many people earn faction of both sides at the same time...
Su usaully less than the 0.1% of the faction earned is lost due to givin points to the other side... |
Another thing I thought of recently is that currently ANET stores two numbers for each faction, your faction earned and your faction spent to each title. Make the title based on faction earned and you remove the need for the second number. Since the second number will then get deleted, it might cause a very small decrease in server loads, leading to a very small performance increase. Though I doubt any of us will notice it.
HKSdivision
When trading in your faction to work on your title which way would be the fastest to level it up to Rank 1? Trading in 1k faction for 1 Amber or raising alliance reputation?
I know that trading 1k faction for 1 Amber gives me 1k towards the title but I don't know how much raising my alliance rep would give.
I know that trading 1k faction for 1 Amber gives me 1k towards the title but I don't know how much raising my alliance rep would give.
Apollo33
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When trading in your faction to work on your title which way would be the fastest to level it up to Rank 1? Trading in 1k faction for 1 Amber or raising alliance reputation?
I know that trading 1k faction for 1 Amber gives me 1k towards the title but I don't know how much raising my alliance rep would give. |
These titles are crazy to try and attempt as they are now. Even if they allow it to be on faction earned, that'll just help everyone that's played for a while get the first title or two. It won't help them progress further, which is why I think there need to be better options for gaining faction towards the title, not necessarily making it retroactive. Then again, that's probably because I'm fairly new to GW and haven't earned that much faction.
I just think it'll be incredibly hard to max this title out, and get the best efficiency from the skills (unless you're part of a Kurzick guild that FFFs all the time).
Div
There's a billion threads about this, but i'll /sign it again anyways...
Hyper.nl
Already /signed in other thread.
It would be fair to also count the past amber/jade purchases.
It would be fair to also count the past amber/jade purchases.
Scarlett Romanov
/signed.
It would definitely help out when trying to gain the ungodly Luxon/Kurzick Allegiance titles.
It would definitely help out when trying to gain the ungodly Luxon/Kurzick Allegiance titles.
Entreri
/signed
Rewarding for past jade and amber is fair since it's rewarded now and they have the accurate information to do this. It would suck if they introduced the survivor title and didn't give it to somebody with the exp and 0 deaths... same thing.
The one part that may be less fair is with skills giving double faction, people who bought those would have less reward from this change. But the new system is still so recent that I'd still sign even if my skill rewards went down a bit.
Rewarding for past jade and amber is fair since it's rewarded now and they have the accurate information to do this. It would suck if they introduced the survivor title and didn't give it to somebody with the exp and 0 deaths... same thing.
The one part that may be less fair is with skills giving double faction, people who bought those would have less reward from this change. But the new system is still so recent that I'd still sign even if my skill rewards went down a bit.
bilateralrope
Yes, the skills giving double points to the title might cause problems. One way around it is that when someone purchases a skill, they also receive 3'000 spent faction so that they don't lose any.
Or have a second number that records how many skills were purchased so that the title can still reflect the actual value. Though anyone who has purchased a skill, then deleted that character before this change comes through will lose out.
Or have a second number that records how many skills were purchased so that the title can still reflect the actual value. Though anyone who has purchased a skill, then deleted that character before this change comes through will lose out.
OI-812
/signed, damn skippy.
bilateralrope
With the latest update and double points for faction donations, its quite possible that some people might have more points on their title than faction they actually earned if ANET leaves it too long. I'll be one of them.
So, to prevent people losing progress, maybe have the skills work off the higher or the title track or the total faction earned.
So, to prevent people losing progress, maybe have the skills work off the higher or the title track or the total faction earned.