Exchanging faction points for amber or jade now gives progress toward these titles.
Is there a reason that this isnt retroactive for the jade/Amber we've gotten already? I'd understand if it's just not meant to be that way, just seems rather odd that it is not retroactive. O.o
Not sure if it was meant this way, but..
Nebuchadnezzer
Mysterial
For the same reason most things aren't retroactive - it didn't record how much faction you traded for jade/amber, so how is it supposed to know what to award you?
Vilaptca
But it does show how much Faction I have turned in altogether. What stops them from making the title based off that amount?
Nebuchadnezzer
Exactly .. it says right there how much you got and spent.. so uh.. yeah it did record it :x
Neo Nugget
Oh they should!That would be awesome! it would help me in getting the r1 title for those skills.....pretty please anet!
Vilaptca
Nevermind...it shows how much you've earned...not how much you spent...so if you had 10k full faction for both and turned it in to just the Kurzick, its going to say you earned 10k faction for both sides, where in reality you only did so for the Kurzicks...
Either way, I wouldn't be opposed to them changing it so this title track goes off that number.
I have turned in 85k Faction for the Kurzicks, as I've never spent a single bit of it on Jade...so I am quite close to r1 of the title...but I decided it was more imporant to earn the amber for my armor. So I missed out on this whole title track...
Either way, I wouldn't be opposed to them changing it so this title track goes off that number.
I have turned in 85k Faction for the Kurzicks, as I've never spent a single bit of it on Jade...so I am quite close to r1 of the title...but I decided it was more imporant to earn the amber for my armor. So I missed out on this whole title track...
TurinPT
One thing I noticed with this update, exchanging 3k faction for a skill gives 6k faction towards the title track, does it also happens with the other faction rewards?
this makes the faction titles much more easy to get.
edit: ok just tried it with a piece of Jade and I only got 1k so its probably a bug, use it while you can!
this makes the faction titles much more easy to get.
edit: ok just tried it with a piece of Jade and I only got 1k so its probably a bug, use it while you can!
Nebuchadnezzer
Even if its just that it would still help most people. Before there wasnt really a good reward for the luxon/kurz faction so almost everyone cept the faction farmers got jade/amber :/
Neo Nugget
I just looked and i would already have r1 by now O.o.
pork soldier
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I just looked and i would already have r1 by now O.o.
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I've earned 170k Kurzick faction and turned 0 in towards alliance rating, GfG...
Thanks for screwing those of us that turned our faction in for other things.
Miral
ya screwing over people that bought jade before the update really sucks... make it go off faction earned
LifeInfusion
Think: Why should greedy people that put their faction to amber/jade get the benefit of the title? When tons of people ABed for fun or just to get the title up before the skills were released?
Neo Nugget
the benefit was for their guild, others wanted it for armor or for some extra cash. I think its more reasonable for it to go off how many earned, its not unbalancing anything.
Gli
I hate to be a downer, but in the current state, Kurzick and Luxon PvE skills are a totally pointless update from where I'm standing. There's no way I'm ever going to get even a single rank in those titles. Faction farming might've been something I'd have done when Factions was fresh, with this kind of motivation, but today? Not a chance. (Not to mention the 160k I've already spent on amber not doing anything for me at all.)
Lysander Freeman
My guilds and alliances were not interested in farming faction to gain name recognition/ownership of outposts. So I spent vast majority of mine toward Amber. Either way, donating to the Alliances or getting amber/jade is greedy.
I now have earned 306,895 Kurzick faction but only 45,000 of that counts towards the title. I'm a bit miffed that I can't get the new skills even though my service to the Kurzicks was more than enough to gain them.
I now have earned 306,895 Kurzick faction but only 45,000 of that counts towards the title. I'm a bit miffed that I can't get the new skills even though my service to the Kurzicks was more than enough to gain them.
Nebuchadnezzer
Okay.. so its greedy to use faction for yourself when your other option was to give it to your guild.. Now think that only people in the HUGE farming alliances this would actually help at all. Otherwise its a waste of your time to put in to your alliance. Why the hell wouldn't you get amber/jade if you werent Faction Farming for control of a town(which itself was a huge letdown).
4ssassin
You think you got it bad...
256k faction gone towards title...
890k faction total earned...
Should be r5, am only r2
Yeah....I just got bitch slapped by Anet. xD kinda hard to donate to a guild when I dont have a guild 1/2 the time, heh.
256k faction gone towards title...
890k faction total earned...
Should be r5, am only r2
Yeah....I just got bitch slapped by Anet. xD kinda hard to donate to a guild when I dont have a guild 1/2 the time, heh.
Miral
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Think: Why should greedy people that put their faction to amber/jade get the benefit of the title? When tons of people ABed for fun or just to get the title up before the skills were released?
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FlameoutAlchemist
I'm a fan of the idea of making the faction you've earned count towards your title. Right now I'm sitting at just under 74k faction earned but only have 25k towards my title.
/signed
If they don't implement this, though, it won't kill me. I'm actually looking forward to farming some faction in PvE for a change.
/signed
If they don't implement this, though, it won't kill me. I'm actually looking forward to farming some faction in PvE for a change.
Kook~NBK~
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I'm a fan of the idea of making the faction you've earned count towards your title.
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HawkofStorms
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Originally Posted by Vilaptca
Nevermind...it shows how much you've earned...not how much you spent...so if you had 10k full faction for both and turned it in to just the Kurzick, its going to say you earned 10k faction for both sides, where in reality you only did so for the Kurzicks...
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There is no record of it. Thus there can be no retroactiveness in the title, just like with the treasure hunter title when it was first introduced.
Very few titles are retoractive (in fact, the only one I think that was was the rank one, which sorta has always existed anyway).
Nebuchadnezzer
Look right on your faction box on your account it tells you how much faction you have spent. Even if some of it is lost because of losing by spending other faction, wouldnt it be better to use this bar instead of just the alliance faction donated? They are already changing it to make it so Amber/Jade count toward the title. So whats the difference if they use that record to be more fair to those that spent it on Jade/Amber?
Just to point out. I don't really care if they do or not. It doesnt effect me much cause I don't pve much. I just thought it odd that it was worked in that way.
Just to point out. I don't really care if they do or not. It doesnt effect me much cause I don't pve much. I just thought it odd that it was worked in that way.
Poki#3
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This is of course IF they have the data. They had a record of faction actually spend, but it was removed not to long ago. Don't know if it was functioning correctly, but...
Miral
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EXACTLY! QFT.
There is no record of it. Thus there can be no retroactiveness in the title, just like with the treasure hunter title when it was first introduced. Very few titles are retoractive (in fact, the only one I think that was was the rank one, which sorta has always existed anyway). |
Nuclfus
Consider the opposite scenario. If you play for months earning title points through trading for jade/amber until one day when some update puts an end to that, would you whine your head off at Anet for not retroactively deducting your title progress earned by said trades?
Even though this scenario deals with a parallel "ex post facto" dilemma, odds are you'd think that idea of retroactive change here is absurd. After all, you earned that title. But if you would reject the principle for that change when it hurts your interests, then you can't suddenly embrace it a situation only different because here you stand to gain. Not to mention going all out and claiming "Anet screwed you" - that's just too far.
Even though this scenario deals with a parallel "ex post facto" dilemma, odds are you'd think that idea of retroactive change here is absurd. After all, you earned that title. But if you would reject the principle for that change when it hurts your interests, then you can't suddenly embrace it a situation only different because here you stand to gain. Not to mention going all out and claiming "Anet screwed you" - that's just too far.
Kakumei
Farming faction is retardedly easy now though, thanks to the bounties. While yes, spending faction on amber/jade always should have counted toward the title, I don't see it as that big a deal, really.
bilateralrope
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For the same reason most things aren't retroactive - it didn't record how much faction you traded for jade/amber, so how is it supposed to know what to award you?
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Consider the opposite scenario. If you play for months earning title points through trading for jade/amber until one day when some update puts an end to that, would you whine your head off at Anet for not retroactively deducting your title progress earned by said trades? Even though this scenario deals with a parallel "ex post facto" dilemma, odds are you'd think that idea of retroactive change here is absurd. After all, you earned that title. But if you would reject the principle for that change when it hurts your interests, then you can't suddenly embrace it a situation only different because here you stand to gain. Not to mention going all out and claiming "Anet screwed you" - that's just too far. |
peterchen620
NOBODY knew the PvE based skills for Luxons and Kurzicks (Along with titles) are going to be released in this update. I don't see the reason why you all should complain at something that you fully understand that you won't get your title track increased before this update. I know, I know... You all want a free title and free skills to use... But seriously... Pushing Anet for something they JUST released? I believe they (the devs) already thought about this, but already knew it is not possible. Would be nice if it was, but I doubt it.
Lord Mendes
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I'm a fan of the idea of making the faction you've earned count towards your title. Right now I'm sitting at just under 74k faction earned but only have 25k towards my title.
/signed If they don't implement this, though, it won't kill me. I'm actually looking forward to farming some faction in PvE for a change. |
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Miral
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NOBODY knew the PvE based skills for Luxons and Kurzicks (Along with titles) are going to be released in this update. I don't see the reason why you all should complain at something that you fully understand that you won't get your title track increased before this update. I know, I know... You all want a free title and free skills to use... But seriously... Pushing Anet for something they JUST released? I believe they (the devs) already thought about this, but already knew it is not possible. Would be nice if it was, but I doubt it.
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but as also said before, it now does give title progress for buying jade and amber, so it should give progress for buying jade and amber before, since they do have that total earned value sitting there...
helldrik
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It should be retroactive, there's no sense giving pve-only skills to pvpers that has allready donate lots of faction to their ally,
and not to give pve-only skills to those pve players who really should enjoy them(and of course, they have exchanged all their faction for amber/jadeite/scrolls)
It should be retroactive, there's no sense giving pve-only skills to pvpers that has allready donate lots of faction to their ally,
and not to give pve-only skills to those pve players who really should enjoy them(and of course, they have exchanged all their faction for amber/jadeite/scrolls)
Bane of Worlds
Before the update, you fully knew that trading in allegiance faction for amber/jade would not progress the title and was only for the individual's financial benefit only. The title was an indication to loyalty to a certain faction or a will for a title no one cared enough because the grind involved.
If you donated for your benefit while you knew this fact and you didn't donate to your guild while they required you while taking advantage of merchant discounts. This isn't the case for everyone. The price of amber/jade prices are low enough that it is almost worthless to trade for these rare materials anyway unless the faction donation is useless because your guild does not care about town ownership, name recognition, fireworks, and discounts. Now Anet gave you a way to gain progressions towards these titles for trading for your financial gain(scrolls/amber/jade) and gave a purpose to the title tracks. Not to mention that you can now progress your kurzick title while in a Luxon guild(or vise versa) now because trading for amber/jade/scrolls now progress your title so you don't need to worry about leaving your current guild to advance the other title.
The allegiance skills are a bonus or a request by some people who complained that only Nightfall campaign owners get a PvE skills benefit while Factions owners are shafted because most have thought that PvE skills may alleviate hard mode's super mobs and Factions owners could not make use of sunspear pve skills. This was predictable as testing for only a few pve sunspear skills took longer so it is reasonable that there were more pve skills involved and their possible effect if combined.
Having these to be retroactive see http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...08&postcount=6 why this should not be.
Title based on earned allegiance factions seem like a fair deal but the fact that you lose the other faction when donating if you happen to have both seem to tell you otherwise but who knows if this may change in the future of not.
If you donated for your benefit while you knew this fact and you didn't donate to your guild while they required you while taking advantage of merchant discounts. This isn't the case for everyone. The price of amber/jade prices are low enough that it is almost worthless to trade for these rare materials anyway unless the faction donation is useless because your guild does not care about town ownership, name recognition, fireworks, and discounts. Now Anet gave you a way to gain progressions towards these titles for trading for your financial gain(scrolls/amber/jade) and gave a purpose to the title tracks. Not to mention that you can now progress your kurzick title while in a Luxon guild(or vise versa) now because trading for amber/jade/scrolls now progress your title so you don't need to worry about leaving your current guild to advance the other title.
The allegiance skills are a bonus or a request by some people who complained that only Nightfall campaign owners get a PvE skills benefit while Factions owners are shafted because most have thought that PvE skills may alleviate hard mode's super mobs and Factions owners could not make use of sunspear pve skills. This was predictable as testing for only a few pve sunspear skills took longer so it is reasonable that there were more pve skills involved and their possible effect if combined.
Having these to be retroactive see http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...08&postcount=6 why this should not be.
Title based on earned allegiance factions seem like a fair deal but the fact that you lose the other faction when donating if you happen to have both seem to tell you otherwise but who knows if this may change in the future of not.
Miral
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Having these to be retroactive see http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...08&postcount=6 why this should not be.
Title based on earned allegiance factions seem like a fair deal but the fact that you lose the other faction when donating if you happen to have both seem to tell you otherwise but who knows if this may change in the future of not. |
I'd much rather you just keep your prestige title, and let the skills be purchased by all. its still 3k faction cost, quite fair.
Neo Nugget
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Originally Posted by FlameoutAlchemist
I'm a fan of the idea of making the faction you've earned count towards your title. Right now I'm sitting at just under 74k faction earned but only have 25k towards my title.
/signed If they don't implement this, though, it won't kill me. I'm actually looking forward to farming some faction in PvE for a change. |
AOTT
Jade and amber contributing towards your title is wrong. Your faction that goes towards supporting your alliance's control of a city is deserving of a title because it's an honorable cause; I don't want to see a bunch of r8 Saviors walking around that just spent all their faction on jade and amber.
If Jade and Amber contribute to a title, it should contribute to a SEPARATE title track. Like "Jade/Amber Hoarder."
If Jade and Amber contribute to a title, it should contribute to a SEPARATE title track. Like "Jade/Amber Hoarder."
darktyco
I agree that the skills should be based on faction earned. The fact the the Kurzick/Luxon PVE skills are such an incredible grind is odd enough by itself (have ANet been playing a lot of WoW lately?), but the fact that the grind consists of months of grinding for an alliance is even more odd.
PS- My guild isn't even part of alliance and probably never will be.
PS- My guild isn't even part of alliance and probably never will be.
BohemianKeith
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOoooo Keep it the way it is now, alliance battles are finally full again!!!!!!!
Apollo33
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Farming faction is retardedly easy now though, thanks to the bounties. While yes, spending faction on amber/jade always should have counted toward the title, I don't see it as that big a deal, really.
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Hyper.nl
/signed.
(Yes, third time, there are more threads about this)
It would be awesome to have a title progress reward for all those hours I spent in Aspenwood and getting amber.
(Yes, third time, there are more threads about this)
It would be awesome to have a title progress reward for all those hours I spent in Aspenwood and getting amber.
X Silent Embrace X
I think the idea of getting amber AND 1k towards a title at the same time rips off the people that donated to their alliance instead of using amber for money or armor in the first place. I missed out on 405 chunks of amber and 400 chunks of Jadite- 405k towards my title on BOTH Luxon and Kurzick sides. If you people think that you deserve a title for the faction you spent on amber, I want amber for the faction i spent on my title. Seems only fair to me that both amber and alliance spenders get the same benefit.
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