New Kurzick/Luxon Skill double faction exploit

First off, let me say I am not thrilled about the changes made to the way Faction transfer is now handled. Being the leader of a Faction Farming Alliance, we used to keep track of faction donations by having our members send in weekly screenshots of their Kurzick title as proof of donating their share (usually 10K/day) to the guild to keep the Alliance strong. We had to do this to keep amber farmers out of our alliance since we were all about owning a town, and gaining high level Kurzick titles, and NOT trading for personal wealth. With the introduction of this new update, it will be very difficult to track member donations since amber and these new skills now count toward your faction title. I will deal with these new updates as we have dealt with others (like scrolls which make HzH and Cavalon just another town), but have a problem with an exploit which can seriously advance a members title twice as fast as it should normally take.

I realize I am in the minority here having my Savior of the Kurzicks for the past couple months, but I spent several hours per day over 8 months to earn my title, and now it seems members can do the same amount of work, and get it in 4 months by creating a level 1 character, buying a skill for 3K faction (receiving 6K toward their title), delete the character, recreate the character, and buy the skill again spending 3K, receive another 6K. I also think it is ridiculous that I have a level 3 paragon who has a skill that does +40 damage (plus gives adrenaline). Apparently, if you have more than 10 million Faction on your title, you gain a larger bonus since the skill says it caps at +36 damage.

If these skills are to be a part of the game now, I would like to see them available only after you have completed the Befriending the Kurzick/Luxon quest. This way, a low level character with a high level Kurzick title doesn't have a god-like skill, and Kurzick/Luxon titles are gained at the same rate they have been from the start.

As I have said earlier, I will accept and deal with the challenges this new update is going to do to our alliance, and many other alliances, but don't like the fact a level 1 character has access to these skills, and can exploit them to quickly advance the title.

~~Valens

If you reckon levelling/getting a new character run to HzH or Cavalon is worth a 3000 faction bonus, you'll need to try again.

How exactly is this exploit on Luxon/Kurzick faction working when you have to meet the following criteria...

1. Be far enough in the factions campaign to receive either quest rewards for faction points or priest blessings.

2. Have to have a minimum of 100,000 faction for your side accumulated before you can buy a skill which cost an additional 3000 each.

In particular I am not seeing how someone can satisfy either one of these criteria at level 1 and then delete...you aren't going to be farming faction at level 1 and you can't buy the skills until you are over half way through the campaign.

Edit: If you meant title level rather than actual level it makes even less sense...why go through the hassle of raising 100k only to delete on top of everything else it took to get there? 100k faction is not a trivial amount.

From what I understand you must first reach at least level 1 on your account before they will even offer you the skill....thats 100,000 points. So you cant just make a toon and run it to hzh and get the skill.....most people will need to get enough faction to even get the first level before even thinking about the skills!
I for one dont have any faction left over so I havent even got 10,000 faction for level 1 let alone 10x that.....so I think it will only be those people who do faction runs (part of alliances etc) that will be getting the skills, not us poor schmucks who didnt bother to keep the faction after we befriended.

Why are people saying you can get run to HZH? You can't. Impossible.

Yeah, I dont see the exploit so much yet as being useful, though I see it as existing.

You could get a new character "run" to HzH. Running in Factions is a bit of a pain and offhand cant recall the minimal things required to finally get a character there. Its a "rush" if you want to be technical about it, and I am quite positive it'd be a pain. Once there, switch to a character that can quickly earn 10k faction (provided of course your account has at least level 1 and can see the skills) and then switch back to the level 1 and spend it on skills. Repeat until you have them all. Then delete the character and repeat the whole process. Really depends on how much effort is needed to get run to HzH before the worth of the exploit could be evaluated. Its not sounding at all worth it, but its an exploit I suppose.

I'm more sympathetic to guilds trying to track faction donation. I really dont have an answer for that, unless the guild leader and/or officers had a mechanism in place similar to status that said "So and so donated X Faction, Date."

You need to think of a new way to moderate your guild not whine to us.

Love the new skills and i hope they become infiantly more powerful 100k SS (double R10) makes it more powerful ect...)

Big thank you to Anet for the skills and ignore most of these whiney threads that are springing up 24hours after we get a huge update

hmm you create a lv 1, go to the gh and fight in ab?

I've already figured that vanquishing a lux/kurz area gains faction much faster than AB; that's how I'll be getting my ranks now

Yeah I have to say this is an absolutely pointless argument. First of all you “Zombie Guilds,” that have people farm for your little towns, have nothing to fear from this update. This update only effects people individual titles not your alliance AB’ing rank. Trading in points for these skills, amber, jade, and so on gives points to people’s titles and not to your rank.

I can’t actually believe you are that dominant over your rank, instead of finding a new way to see if everyone is pitching in. You can easily take a calculator (ooohhh math spooky huh) and work it out to see how many people are really donating faction to your guild.

Can a level 1 go to the GH and talk to the Reward guy? I sure hope so.

If you have a guild/alliance that will let you get away with that they need better administration or you should be kicked. Now I understand the exploit a little better.

You could accumulate the 100k starter fee and the location on a main character and use the guild/alliance privileges on the account to pull it off. IMHO this was not the intention and if you bring it to the devs attention it will probably get fixed.

Ah yes of course. Hadnt thought of that. Now THAT qualifies as an exploit.

yeah the exploit exists...simply because the title is account wide..without that the exploit doesn't exist...

let me ask the op...would you rather the titles be character specific and not account wide?

My guess is no.

Now let's see exactly what it would take to take advantage of that exploit...
1. From level 1...work your way or get run through the factions campaign (Which isn't really a run of course) to Cavalon or HzH so you can actually gain faction and use it.
2. Gain 3,000 faction. Oh wait...you gotta be leveled up to be able to get into the faction farm groups or to be able to do the quests.....so you gotta level up to a minimum level. I have no idea what the minimum level would be...maybe it's 20 maybe it's not.

Now the first major stumbling block for a lot of people is that first 100,000 faction you need to get the first level of the title to even be able to turn in faction for skills. The second one is the fact that a single character can only do this 10 times total...so a maximum of 30,000 spent on getting the skills and 60,000 faction earned as a result.

Will people take advantage of this "exploit"? Perhaps...I would bet most wouldn't since it's easier just to spend the same time faction farming.


To be honest I don't feel bad at all that Faction Farming guilds now have to deal with the new changes. I hate the fact that there are Faction Farming guilds...it puts the possibility of a normal alliance gaining control over towns out of the question...they simply can't compete. I love the fact that they made it possible to get access to the elite missions without having to kiss the feet of the guilds and alliances that control the capitals.

Unless I'm missing something you dont need to go to hzh. You get faction on one of your characters, make a new character go to guild hall get a few skills then delete him. Do that a few times and you are doubling the faction you gain towards your title.

sigh I knew some bitter twisted individuals would go bitching about this glitch sooner or later. GG

considering the missions and quests involved in getting there...there's no way a level 1 can talk to the reward guy....it's simply not possible to get there and still be under 2000 xp (level 2)

Dude, in any chapter it is possible to get their at level 1. The hardest would be prophecies because you cant go to the guild hall until you advance to post sear. But in the other 2 chapters, as soon as you create the character you can open up the guild menu and travel there.

yeah I guess that's true...

Easiest thing for FF guilds would be if the leaders and officers were given access to logs of faction donations, for example

Name - Amount - When
Mr T - 5000 - 17/06/07

you can access the factions rewards guy in your guild hall?

edit: after reviewing guildwiki...I see that you can get a factions reward guy in your guild hall if your guild has joined a side in factions. As my guild hasn't done that I didn't know that fact up to this point. whoops.

yeah that makes it a lot easier to do this exploit...I'd have to agree with the OP at this point then...too easy to get progress towards the title.

But then perhaps the developers intended to make it easier to get the title...and encourage people to get the skills...this "exploit" would certainly do that.