Apprently I spammed yesterday though I don't remember doing it.. I don't remember selling anything yesterday or even being logged in for more then a couple hours and saying "LFG ss/lb" in local chat.. banned now for 67 more hours..
So anyone else banned?
if I submit a ticket will it even get read? can I get a log? do they provied proof of why I would be banned?
Does this spam rule apply to local chat? or trade too?
Well I've learned my lesson..
Don't sell anything in guild wars..
Anyone else banned this morning?
Chestnut
bhavv
According to Anet you shouldnt get banned for LFG, only for spamming WTS in all chat.
Is this a new disincentive to pug? Not that we need anymore, but GG anet.
Is this a new disincentive to pug? Not that we need anymore, but GG anet.
mr_groovy
Prob you did something like this:
"LFG ss/lb"
"LFG ss/lb"
"LFG ss/lb"
"usual trade spam"
"LFG ss/lb"
"LFG ss/lb"
Which isn't allowed anymore. Though the punishment is kinda hard for such a misdemeanor.
"LFG ss/lb"
"LFG ss/lb"
"LFG ss/lb"
"usual trade spam"
"LFG ss/lb"
"LFG ss/lb"
Which isn't allowed anymore. Though the punishment is kinda hard for such a misdemeanor.
Abj
i got banned too... its bs
XvArchonvX
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...and saying "LFG ss/lb" in local chat.
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bhavv
Of course people are going to spam LFG untill they get a group... Isnt that the core basis of pugging? I dont get why someone would get banned for it.
Chestnut
I didn't spam LFG SS/LB.... Im just wondering if I asked for a log if a.net would even give it to me.
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You get picked up so fast LB/SSing.. that I'm 99% sure yesterday I didn't even have time to spam it.
I knew there was some new rule so it's kept me from over-spamming.. I'm guessing I was just lucky enough to be in the district as someone with powers.
seems to me like these people with powers should go to Kamadam and chill there.
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You get picked up so fast LB/SSing.. that I'm 99% sure yesterday I didn't even have time to spam it.
I knew there was some new rule so it's kept me from over-spamming.. I'm guessing I was just lucky enough to be in the district as someone with powers.
seems to me like these people with powers should go to Kamadam and chill there.
GloryFox
Lesson to be learned here.... NEVER SPAM.
Second Lesson to learn here.... Use the f***ing party search button.
Second Lesson to learn here.... Use the f***ing party search button.
Aera Lure
You're contradicting yourself by saying you dont remember placing a WTS on All Channel but that you learned your lesson not to sell in Guild Wars (which is also, by the way, faulty - I've been selling on Trade Channel for ages without ever any problems at all selling what I want or finding what I need).
You probably didnt get a temp ban for LFG. Maybe if you were truly excessive, but even then, you're claiming the "I dont recall" excuse regarding sales which implies probably you did. Submit a support ticket. They should be able to give you more information. I dont know if they will, but its worth a shot.
You probably didnt get a temp ban for LFG. Maybe if you were truly excessive, but even then, you're claiming the "I dont recall" excuse regarding sales which implies probably you did. Submit a support ticket. They should be able to give you more information. I dont know if they will, but its worth a shot.
Patrick Smit
Rightful or not, it actually means they are taking an active approach now?
Hexum
I was in kamadan American D1 yesterday and everyone was doing the usual WTS stuff in the regular channel. Someone there told everyone they would bet banned unless they moved it to the trade channel. I wonder how many got banned.
Mitchel
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Second Lesson to learn here.... Use the f***ing party search button.
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A: Nobody uses it
B: Messages are usualy to short
C: Nobody uses it
JeniM
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Originally Posted by GloryFox
Lesson to be learned here.... NEVER SPAM.
Second Lesson to learn here.... Use the f***ing party search button. |
(even if your post was a little violent
Brianna
I've been selling in trade chat for awhile now (Not spamming it) and no ban here, Just do not repeat messages into local chat and you should be ok.
GloryFox
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Gaile Gray
You are welcome to send a note to Support about this block. Due to the privacy policy and the fact that other people would be impacted by the revelation, the team cannot provide you with chat logs. However, they can review the records to assure an error was not made.
We are focusing on trade transactions in All Chat. We are not blocking LFG or other non-sales comments. Those blocked have put up a very large number of repeated messages in All Chat. Not a few comments, a large number. If an error was made in your case or any other, I know that the team will review and correct it.
We are focusing on trade transactions in All Chat. We are not blocking LFG or other non-sales comments. Those blocked have put up a very large number of repeated messages in All Chat. Not a few comments, a large number. If an error was made in your case or any other, I know that the team will review and correct it.
Gawa
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Apprently I spammed yesterday though I don't remember doing it.. banned now for 67 more hours..
Well I've learned my lesson.. Don't sell anything in guild wars.. |
Don't spam in guild wars.. (and only trade using the purpose built trade channel)
Thank you for telling us about this banning, it is great to hear that ANet are indeed listening to us and now keeping their word when they said they would stamp down on the spam problem.
Just remember...ANet doesnt want to have to ban people. It is doing it because spammers who are a minority are ruining enjoyment of the game for the majority. Spamming has always been against the game rules, its just that it hasnt always been enforced as it should have been, hence the problem gets way out of hand as people forget its against the rules and start to think its their right to spam lol (i can see a similarity to that and people flaming in this section of forum)
heh its ridiculous really..go to a busy but quiet district..because there happens to be no spam.. then along comes spammer 1 and he instantly puts up a trade or other message such as lfg blah blah, and he spams it 3 times in a row... (no reason to whatsoever, except they are either very rude and doesnt give a damn about anyone else, or is rather dim)
Then someone else pops in and does the same with a WTS blah blah..now the first guy spams a bit quicker and so it goes.... multiple by 5 spammers and its a joke. It does come down to the fact that a minority start it, and then others join in so their message gets seen... so what i really dont get is that spam hurts those wanting to trade..as well as us common people
So dont do it!
Diablo???
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We are focusing on trade transactions in All Chat...
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Miral
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Originally Posted by Mitchel
Party search is unusable because:
A: Nobody uses it B: Messages are usualy to short C: Nobody uses it |
Patrick Smit
I use the aprty search, sells ok, usually I advertise another item in trade channel at the same time.
Miral, it is indeed amazing, but maybe these Public media are not so public, as u still need to sign/accept an agreement. However chatlogs only revealing your spams (not the converstaion of others, much like CIA documents that have been made public ^^) should be no problem I would think?
Miral, it is indeed amazing, but maybe these Public media are not so public, as u still need to sign/accept an agreement. However chatlogs only revealing your spams (not the converstaion of others, much like CIA documents that have been made public ^^) should be no problem I would think?
Healers Wisper
If you don't recall spamming yesterday, how bout over the weekend? A lot of companies work in the business day model and that often leaves Sat, Sun and Mon as one day, so the ban maybe because you sat around this weekend selling?
Personally I sell just fine in game using the trade chat and party search menu, and people do use them because I have gone afk with an item in the party search and came back to buyers PM's. Anyways sorry bout your luck, if its an error hope its fixed. More so I hope this thread tell people to not spam WTS in all chat and use the trade chat and party search menu.
Personally I sell just fine in game using the trade chat and party search menu, and people do use them because I have gone afk with an item in the party search and came back to buyers PM's. Anyways sorry bout your luck, if its an error hope its fixed. More so I hope this thread tell people to not spam WTS in all chat and use the trade chat and party search menu.
Miral
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I use the aprty search, sells ok, usually I advertise another item in trade channel at the same time.
Miral, it is indeed amazing, but maybe these Public media are not so public, as u still need to sign/accept an agreement. However chatlogs only revealing your spams (not the converstaion of others, much like CIA documents that have been made public ^^) should be no problem I would think? |
WildmouseX
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Originally Posted by Gaile Gray
You are welcome to send a note to Support about this block. Due to the privacy policy and the fact that other people would be impacted by the revelation, the team cannot provide you with chat logs. However, they can review the records to assure an error was not made.
We are focusing on trade transactions in All Chat. We are not blocking LFG or other non-sales comments. Those blocked have put up a very large number of repeated messages in All Chat. Not a few comments, a large number. If an error was made in your case or any other, I know that the team will review and correct it. |
Code=007
suggestion: write this change of policy enforcement on the game notes inside the client, not everybody visit forums, still the quantity of spam is the same it seems
Gawa
(guys, you cant even post names of other people from the game on this forum, so why would you expect ANet to do so? (its a standard privacy policy and they like any gaming company is not required to show you logs etc. )
I cant speak for ANet but from my time admining in DoDS and CSS game servers, when i am considering banning someone i ensure i am 110% sure it is ban worthy. On rare occasions i am maybe 90% sure..and that is only in the case of people cheating which in some cases can be incredibly difficult to pick up in real gametime, so in such cases i always review my demo recordings until i am beyond reasonable doubt, and then i ban. (spamming ingame is rather easy to pickup on compared to deciding if someone is using the latest 'undetectable' aimbot in Counterstrike :P (oh and we never gave out demos/logs either)
The reason i point this out is that, i, as an unpaid server admin on those servers for a business company, take such great care to get my bans right and justly...how much more so for a huge business liek ANet which relies upon revenue from its players...
ie. Im sure that ANet lets a lot of people get away with a lot things..and thus i would imagine it is the worst offenders, beyond doubt of an error, that do get banned. (obviously mistakes can happen..wrong id's get copied or something, but generally i reckon ANet are lenient)
edit - agreed, ANet should definitely make note at login screen, even if only to cut down on work for themselves. I had also thought they had posted about this in the update section of their offical website.. but they didnt.. :S They only put it in Gails update section of their wiki
I cant speak for ANet but from my time admining in DoDS and CSS game servers, when i am considering banning someone i ensure i am 110% sure it is ban worthy. On rare occasions i am maybe 90% sure..and that is only in the case of people cheating which in some cases can be incredibly difficult to pick up in real gametime, so in such cases i always review my demo recordings until i am beyond reasonable doubt, and then i ban. (spamming ingame is rather easy to pickup on compared to deciding if someone is using the latest 'undetectable' aimbot in Counterstrike :P (oh and we never gave out demos/logs either)
The reason i point this out is that, i, as an unpaid server admin on those servers for a business company, take such great care to get my bans right and justly...how much more so for a huge business liek ANet which relies upon revenue from its players...
ie. Im sure that ANet lets a lot of people get away with a lot things..and thus i would imagine it is the worst offenders, beyond doubt of an error, that do get banned. (obviously mistakes can happen..wrong id's get copied or something, but generally i reckon ANet are lenient)
edit - agreed, ANet should definitely make note at login screen, even if only to cut down on work for themselves. I had also thought they had posted about this in the update section of their offical website.. but they didnt.. :S They only put it in Gails update section of their wiki
Patrick Smit
Definately a good suggestion Code=007, like the players note to protect your account. That way they can't excuse themselves anymore.
snikerz
i like the fact that 1000's of people are getting blocked because of spam.
wouldn't it be kool to sit in kamadan and have a 2 second process to block peoples accounts?, the power trip would be come soo overwhelming you actially start getting tired and eventually give up the job.
conclusion:
haha
wouldn't it be kool to sit in kamadan and have a 2 second process to block peoples accounts?, the power trip would be come soo overwhelming you actially start getting tired and eventually give up the job.
conclusion:
haha
Silly Warrior
Its a step in the right direction, but uninformed people are going to take the axe...hard.
Think about it, only about 30% of GW's population ever steps foot into the Forums, and only a even smaller 20% has a clue this is going on, at the MOST.
Anet NEEDS NEEDS NEEDS NEEDS to put an annoucement in the Login screen saying the following.
"Improvments to Trade Chat: Starting today, those who mass spam in All chat, and do not use the Trade Chat as it is intended will be banned for x amount of hours to x amount of hours depending on what you do"
More and MORE and MORE people are going to be banned if they don't know this is being taken into effect.
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With that said, Anet NEEDS NEEDS NEEDS to improve Party Trade Search section. The text is much too small, and it totally defeats the purpose. Party Channel needs to be improved, please please!
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One cannot go with another. Anet can't simply Ban people without them having any clue they are doing anything wrong. After all, for the past 2 years people HAVE been trading in All chat, and will continue.
A notice needs to be put up on Login Screen, and Party Trade Search NEEDS to be improved.
Anet, you are doing this TOTALLY wrong! I'm sure dozens if not hundreds of people were banned, and they don't know why because they DON'T use the forums!
/gahhhh
Think about it, only about 30% of GW's population ever steps foot into the Forums, and only a even smaller 20% has a clue this is going on, at the MOST.
Anet NEEDS NEEDS NEEDS NEEDS to put an annoucement in the Login screen saying the following.
"Improvments to Trade Chat: Starting today, those who mass spam in All chat, and do not use the Trade Chat as it is intended will be banned for x amount of hours to x amount of hours depending on what you do"
More and MORE and MORE people are going to be banned if they don't know this is being taken into effect.
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With that said, Anet NEEDS NEEDS NEEDS to improve Party Trade Search section. The text is much too small, and it totally defeats the purpose. Party Channel needs to be improved, please please!
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One cannot go with another. Anet can't simply Ban people without them having any clue they are doing anything wrong. After all, for the past 2 years people HAVE been trading in All chat, and will continue.
A notice needs to be put up on Login Screen, and Party Trade Search NEEDS to be improved.
Anet, you are doing this TOTALLY wrong! I'm sure dozens if not hundreds of people were banned, and they don't know why because they DON'T use the forums!
/gahhhh
Spazzer
This reminds me of those Dateline NBC "To Catch A Predator" things.
"Why did you come here?"
"Uh... I don't remember."
"You brought condoms, what were you intending to do?"
"Uhh..."
"Why did you come here?"
"Uh... I don't remember."
"You brought condoms, what were you intending to do?"
"Uhh..."
gene terrodon
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One cannot go with another. Anet can't simply Ban people without them having any clue they are doing anything wrong. After all, for the past 2 years people HAVE been trading in All chat, and will continue.
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Anet just decided to enforce that policy.
You have been informed! You have always known spamming was a violation, yet you chose to do it anyhow. That's your bad, not Anet's.
I find it funny that anytime someone gets banned, they are innocent, just like everyone on death row is innocent or that person doing 70 in a 55 wasn't really speeding.
You got banned most likely because you deserved to get banned, end of story.
Maybe now a person can actually chat in town, maybe the search feature will be used...I see nothing bad coming out of Anet's laying the "SMACKDOWN" on spammers. Good job and about time.
Chestnut
Well I sent a support ticket, maybe they can atleast infrom of me of when my infraction was made.. been playing for 25 months and never had anything like this happen to me before... I wish some sorta notice would have been made, the only thing I even recall saying in local chat was LFG LB/SS.
As for anyone else.. sure its in the EULA. and im sure people skim though that.. but you walk into Kamadam and you see 100's of people spamming all day long.. I simply don't do that.. then I lb/ss all day and I get banned?
Eh i'll just wait for the email and see I guess.
I'm not saying im innocent, I just wanna be made aware of when I broke the law.
It's like driving you get pulled over and you don't know why.. you know you where not speeding.. and the cop pulls you over for an out tail light.
atleast he tells you why you've been "Blocked"
I just hope support tells me some detail. I dont mind waiting 72 hours not to play guild wars... during the week its fine.
I might have spammed over the weekend like one person said.. but honestly I know I didn't do anything diffrent this weekend that I havn't for the last 25 months.
As for anyone else.. sure its in the EULA. and im sure people skim though that.. but you walk into Kamadam and you see 100's of people spamming all day long.. I simply don't do that.. then I lb/ss all day and I get banned?
Eh i'll just wait for the email and see I guess.
I'm not saying im innocent, I just wanna be made aware of when I broke the law.
It's like driving you get pulled over and you don't know why.. you know you where not speeding.. and the cop pulls you over for an out tail light.
atleast he tells you why you've been "Blocked"
I just hope support tells me some detail. I dont mind waiting 72 hours not to play guild wars... during the week its fine.
I might have spammed over the weekend like one person said.. but honestly I know I didn't do anything diffrent this weekend that I havn't for the last 25 months.
Aera Lure
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I might have spammed over the weekend like one person said.. but honestly I know I didn't do anything diffrent this weekend that I havn't for the last 25 months.
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And, ty Anet.
majoho
ANY kind of spamming is annoying.
Don't spam "lfg" 3 times in a row, or every 5 seconds
Don't spam "lend me 30G" 3 times in a row, or every 5 seconds
Sounds like no error was done here.
Don't spam "lfg" 3 times in a row, or every 5 seconds
Don't spam "lend me 30G" 3 times in a row, or every 5 seconds
Sounds like no error was done here.
Bryant Again
The fact that you got banned after awhile is pretty concerning.
Being pulled over isn't much of an analogy. I think suddenly charging people for jaywalking, even though millions if not billions of people do it, is more accurate.
Gaile did make a post in Guru about moderating trade in General chat. I'm not sure where else she posted it. It would be cooler if it was on the GW log-in screen.
Being pulled over isn't much of an analogy. I think suddenly charging people for jaywalking, even though millions if not billions of people do it, is more accurate.
Gaile did make a post in Guru about moderating trade in General chat. I'm not sure where else she posted it. It would be cooler if it was on the GW log-in screen.
Aera Lure
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The fact that you got banned after awhile is pretty concerning.
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I do agree though that there should be an announcement right on the login screen that this can happen (like Protect Your Account) as well as a message there should you be temp banned as to why it happened so the player knows. It would also save Anet support some work.
Absinth187
Well, I don't know about your case, Chestnut, but I am relieved to hear that bans are being handed out. Hopefully I can turn local chat back on.
As far as the trade window goes, I've only used it once (Kamadan). I typed in that I wanted to buy rit greens and got 4 people PMing me within 30 seconds. Got everything I was looking for nice and quick. Just wasn't prepared for it. Was haggling with 4 people at the same time.
As far as the trade window goes, I've only used it once (Kamadan). I typed in that I wanted to buy rit greens and got 4 people PMing me within 30 seconds. Got everything I was looking for nice and quick. Just wasn't prepared for it. Was haggling with 4 people at the same time.
Bryant Again
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How so?
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Chthon
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Due to the privacy policy and the fact that other people would be impacted by the revelation, the team cannot provide you with chat logs.
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Personally, I think you should do exactly that. Start responding to false claims of erroneous bans with irrefutable redacted chat logs, and pretty soon people will stop bothering to try to fool support. What's more, I think that, when there's a false "I was erroneously banned" thread on the forums (note: I am NOT commenting on this particular thread), I think you might be well served to simply reply with the redacted chat log. Surely, by putting their own comments at issue, someone who starts such a thread waives any right they may have to privacy in those statements. I cannot think of a better way to decisively end such a thread, or to discourage future false claims, or to back up your statement that many such threads are false.
Thunder79
Even when I am trying to sell stuff I refrain from spamming...and now that this policy is being enforced I'm staying in the trade channel and party search. When I sell stuff is rare though...I prefer having fun while playing a game...
No one bothers to use the Party Search feature....I'm standing in the Remains of Sahlahja right now and the player tab of the party search window is empty...despite several people spamming in all chat...
now that they are enforcing it...I'm reporting it...
http://www.thunder-god.net/images/ga...rty_search.jpg
yes I submitted a ticket on this person...
what I don't get is the people who believe they need to spam things multiple times despite the fact that there isn't enough activity to warrant it...(the ONLY place I ever consider it to be busy enough to warrant it is Lion's Arch District 1...but even then...it's still spamming and I try to avoid those busy as hell districts)
hope more people get banned so they'll learn their lesson...you have no one to blame but yourself...the community is not on your side...so stop the spamming.
and yes Anet should put a note about spam on the login screen...like was said...not everyone visits the forums...put them on notice and people will learn more quickly.
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No one bothers to use the Party Search feature....I'm standing in the Remains of Sahlahja right now and the player tab of the party search window is empty...despite several people spamming in all chat...
now that they are enforcing it...I'm reporting it...
http://www.thunder-god.net/images/ga...rty_search.jpg
yes I submitted a ticket on this person...
what I don't get is the people who believe they need to spam things multiple times despite the fact that there isn't enough activity to warrant it...(the ONLY place I ever consider it to be busy enough to warrant it is Lion's Arch District 1...but even then...it's still spamming and I try to avoid those busy as hell districts)
hope more people get banned so they'll learn their lesson...you have no one to blame but yourself...the community is not on your side...so stop the spamming.
and yes Anet should put a note about spam on the login screen...like was said...not everyone visits the forums...put them on notice and people will learn more quickly.
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yukimura_gw
Don't spam :
WT[S] my stuff 1
WT[S] my stuff 2
WT[S] my stuff 3
WT[S] my stuff 4
... and so ...
it's so annoying. >_<
And now, hopefully it can ban you.
WT[S] my stuff 1
WT[S] my stuff 2
WT[S] my stuff 3
WT[S] my stuff 4
... and so ...
it's so annoying. >_<
And now, hopefully it can ban you.