new form elites for dervish maybe?
or they change forms like the tablet thingy monsters from NF
Three new monsters from GW:EN revealed
the Puppeteer
Krait can change forms eh...
new form elites for dervish maybe?
or they change forms like the tablet thingy monsters from NF
new form elites for dervish maybe?
or they change forms like the tablet thingy monsters from NF
Rhedd
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Most foes are just re-skins, in all the chapters.
Mandragor Imps are just re-skinned and re-sized Ghouls. The fleshreaver is a harpy, the wurm is a wurm, and the krait is a naga / ibolga. Did you notice that the Kournan Troopers and the Am Fa are just reskinned White Mantle?  |
Comments like this make artists want to pull their hair out. Seriously.
NONE of those things are what you said they are, unless (and this is always possible) you are horribly abusing the term "re-skinned".
"Re-skinned" should, properly, refer to applying a new texture to an existing model, without changing the model itself.
If you people can't see the difference between the Harpy model and this new Fleshreaver, or the Krait and an Iboga, I really can't help you, but maybe an optometrist could.
PS: I'm quoting you, Skye Marin, but my comments are directed toward a lot of people in this thread.
Now pardon me while I go pull my hair out (some more).
prism2525
In the software buisness, 90% or more of the new products are recycled software of older versions. Antivirus software, for instance, the 2007 version is just the 2006 version re-skinned, with some tiny new feature etc.
Applies to all software companies.
PS: THAT is why GW2 is still so far along; they have to create new models for all the stuff that there's gonna be in it due to a totally different engine. So if you're not buying GW:EN just for that, then you shouldn't have bought factions or nightfall either.
Applies to all software companies.
PS: THAT is why GW2 is still so far along; they have to create new models for all the stuff that there's gonna be in it due to a totally different engine. So if you're not buying GW:EN just for that, then you shouldn't have bought factions or nightfall either.
Elena
pfft another human in real life yust a reskinned dude ive seen before >.>
serious these enemy's will rock wonder wich will go on my To Avoid List
serious these enemy's will rock wonder wich will go on my To Avoid List
Lafayette
Krait look good, but nothing particularly stunning about those creatures. Chances are, they'll act very similar or identical to their "cousins" or counterparts in previous chapters. Unless there's something new except their looks, it's nothing to get excited over.
Rhedd
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Originally Posted by prism2525
In the software buisness, 90% or more of the new products are recycled software of older versions. Antivirus software, for instance, the 2007 version is just the 2006 version re-skinned, with some tiny new feature etc.
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Those of us who work our butts off all day long to bring you unique, wonderful-to-gaze-upon monsters are feeling the urge to strangle someone, right about now.
^_^
Marth Reynolds
that fleshreaver looks so damn familiar o.O and not just from the harpy's
Shame on you for reskins....
Shame on you for reskins....
Soul of the Scythe
When was the last new model you saw in the game? Abaddon? Dervishes? Paragons? Cause that is probably it. I would expect some new models in GW2 but not in GW:EN. As has been pointed out before, 95% of the new monsters in the last 2 campaigns have been reskins of old models.
If they worked so hard to develop new models for new campaigns and expansions, then what new models would they add for GW2? Once they decided that GW2 was gonna be made, i guarantee you most of the models they had already designed were set aside for GW2. The biggest thing I and probably most of the GW palyers out there are looking forward to in GW:EN is the stroyline and where its gonna take us and the new races, and Gwen, and who the Great Destroyer is and all that. New character models are not very high on that totem pole. Adding new skins in a new Campaign is a good idea, but in an Expansion Pack its not a big deal.
If they worked so hard to develop new models for new campaigns and expansions, then what new models would they add for GW2? Once they decided that GW2 was gonna be made, i guarantee you most of the models they had already designed were set aside for GW2. The biggest thing I and probably most of the GW palyers out there are looking forward to in GW:EN is the stroyline and where its gonna take us and the new races, and Gwen, and who the Great Destroyer is and all that. New character models are not very high on that totem pole. Adding new skins in a new Campaign is a good idea, but in an Expansion Pack its not a big deal.
seut
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When was the last new model you saw in the game? Abaddon? Dervishes? Paragons? Cause that is probably it.
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netniwk
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Beetles, Harpies, Torment Demons, Heket...
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Woutsie
Looks nice 
onerabbit
Fleshreavers remind me of Tyranids from Warhammer.
They have simular skin type ..
http://uk.games-workshop.com/storefr...007&orignav=10
They have simular skin type ..
http://uk.games-workshop.com/storefr...007&orignav=10
Rhedd
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Obviously I wasn't clear.
The thing that makes artists "feel the urge to strangle someone" is the bitching, complaining, and whining about so many models being nothing but cheap reskins when NONE of them actually are.
If you don't like the designs, fine, but if your eye is so bad that you think these are "recycled skins", then you don't have any right to voice an opinion on this subject at all.
The designers and modelers at Anet are extremely talented, and the new (NEW, dammit!) models are nice, as always.
Evilsod
The Fleshreavers may look similar to Harpies and the Krait similar to Naga/Forgotten... but at least they look different and will have new skill bars.
But seriously wtf is with the Ice Wurm? Its not a 'distant cousin'. Its a Frost Wurms identical twin! They would've been better off not releasing info on Wurms. People are just gonna hold it against them if they try and pass it off as something new, because if 1 thing has stayed the same... its the wurms.
But seriously wtf is with the Ice Wurm? Its not a 'distant cousin'. Its a Frost Wurms identical twin! They would've been better off not releasing info on Wurms. People are just gonna hold it against them if they try and pass it off as something new, because if 1 thing has stayed the same... its the wurms.
lyra_song
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No, no, no, no, no, no, no, NO.
Obviously I wasn't clear. The thing that makes artists "feel the urge to strange someone" is the bitching, complaining, and whining about all of these models being nothing but cheap reskins when NONE of them actually are. If you don't like the designs, fine, but if your eye is so bad that you think these are "recycled skins", then you don't have any right to voice an opinion on this subject at all. The designers and modelers at Anet are extremely talented, and the new (NEW, dammit!) models are nice, as always. |
Even within creatures that use the same animation sets, they use different models.
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Theres also a need to maintain thematic consistencies across chapters.
Wurms exist in all the games. Little things like this make the games more connected. Its one world.
Even in the REAL world, different creatures fill in specific environmental niches and have similar looks, thanks to similar, even if they are different animals.
dsielschott
dang people all you do is complain......I hope that you realize that these are just "teasers" the really new monsters and NPCs they will implament into the game without showing them to u first.
so just chill out and quit complaining.
btw I think these new characters look cool and colorful (and of course they put another wurm in cause everyone HATES them with a passion)
lookin forward to GW:EN
so just chill out and quit complaining.
btw I think these new characters look cool and colorful (and of course they put another wurm in cause everyone HATES them with a passion)
lookin forward to GW:EN
Mister_Smiley
Wow gotta love anet they look badass, but then again what ever they are i'll kill them one way or another.
I beleive Rhedd is right when you people are insane judgeing a game over 3 characters when there are most likey over 100 types of monsters that will be in GWEN not to mention that hard work people put into these games. Also if your not going to buy GWEN becuase of the new monsters, or reskined then you shouldn't be playing Guild wars at all because all 3 games have some type of reskined or modded moddel.
I can't wait for GWEN because i like Anet they make me proud becuase they put up with people that moan way to much of simple crap and keep on going.
So Anet KEEP IT UP!!!
I beleive Rhedd is right when you people are insane judgeing a game over 3 characters when there are most likey over 100 types of monsters that will be in GWEN not to mention that hard work people put into these games. Also if your not going to buy GWEN becuase of the new monsters, or reskined then you shouldn't be playing Guild wars at all because all 3 games have some type of reskined or modded moddel.
I can't wait for GWEN because i like Anet they make me proud becuase they put up with people that moan way to much of simple crap and keep on going.
So Anet KEEP IT UP!!!
Rhedd
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They are reusing animation sets and rigging (which is imo what takes the longest). Theres actually very few reused models, except for the Non-ascended vs Ascended versions of some armors.
Even within creatures that use the same animation sets, they use different models. .... Theres also a need to maintain thematic consistencies across chapters. Wurms exist in all the games. Little things like this make the games more connected. Its one world. Even in the REAL world, different creatures fill in specific environmental niches and have similar looks, thanks to similar, even if they are different animals. |
There is a lot of animation sharing, like Ghouls and Grasps, but the models are almost always new.
And yeah, I'll agree. Time-wise, it's animating that's the big job. Thankfully, that's not in my job description. ^_^
Rhedd
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I beleive Rhedd is right when you people are insane judgeing a game over 3 characters when there are most likey over 100 types of monsters that will be in GWEN not to mention that hard work people put into these games. Also if your not going to buy GWEN becuase of the new monsters, or reskined then you shouldn't be playing Guild wars at all because all 3 games have some type of reskined or modded moddel.
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Heck, I used to think that the Tyrian tree thingys (you know, like Ancient Oakhearts and Pine Souls) were reskins, but they actually have different models.
I'm starting to find this thread really entertaining. Even the people that agree with me don't agree with me. ^_^
Mister_Smiley
Ah i see, well i didn't specificly say the hole thing was reskined and if you think i ment it that way, oh well.
Well i agree with you the most since most of these people have no idea what there talking about, but this thread is really entertaining.
Well i agree with you the most since most of these people have no idea what there talking about, but this thread is really entertaining.
Elena
anybody seen this guy before ? i havent
http://image.com.com/gamespot/images..._screen001.jpg
-edited into link cause pic was too big i think
http://image.com.com/gamespot/images..._screen001.jpg
-edited into link cause pic was too big i think
Xen Foranus
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anybody seen this guy before ? i havent
http://image.com.com/gamespot/images..._screen001.jpg -edited into link cause pic was too big i think |
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thetechx
i think the reason ppl are getting upset about this is that they said "NEW" creatures, and though they are technically new, they look just like everyother creature we alrdy have.regardless if they are new, they still look old and they are not that big of a deal.im actually shocked at the ppl that are talking about how they are "awesome" cause if you think they are so awesome just go fight some monsters we alrdy have.they all still have the same body type and structure as old monsters, just some new colors, a few more things hanging off of them or in the fleshreavers case, a few less things hanging off of them.
Midntye207
I don't know about any of you guys (and gals), but the Krait remind me of the Yuan-Ti from Dungeons & Dragons, thats right I said Dungeons & Dragons
Pwny Ride
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anybody seen this guy before ? i havent
http://image.com.com/gamespot/images..._screen001.jpg -edited into link cause pic was too big i think |
In a way to looks Bio-organic. Semi artificial. I could see it being a minion of the Great Destroyer / Menzies in one way or another. I see similarities (colour and texture wise) with the Shadow Army, and in particular, the Temple of War (flames within in the walls are very similar.
Boy, would i luuuuve a minipet like that.
dsielschott
again people these are teasers.......I garuntee that there will be more than 3 monsters in the new game so RELAX!
"beauty is in the eye of the beholder).....and well everything else just think of it that way. New to some people not new to others. You cant plz everyone at once cause you will always have that couple of peeps that just HAVE to disagree with the mass.
but again they look cool either way and I am still lookin forward to GW:EN
"beauty is in the eye of the beholder).....and well everything else just think of it that way. New to some people not new to others. You cant plz everyone at once cause you will always have that couple of peeps that just HAVE to disagree with the mass.
but again they look cool either way and I am still lookin forward to GW:EN
Elena
i give a 3/4 chance we'll run into the dredge again there moles they bury underground not that i mind theyre cool
and btw here's all oure wurm friends troughout the campaigns whom we all love and cherish
http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Category:Wurms
and btw here's all oure wurm friends troughout the campaigns whom we all love and cherish
http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Category:Wurms
Stormer_99
Wow, how original... Take the same characters from previous campaigns.. Change them a little and roll out the read carpet... Yawn
trobinson97
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No, no, no, no, no, no, no, NO.
Obviously I wasn't clear. The thing that makes artists "feel the urge to strangle someone" is the bitching, complaining, and whining about so many models being nothing but cheap reskins when NONE of them actually are. If you don't like the designs, fine, but if your eye is so bad that you think these are "recycled skins", then you don't have any right to voice an opinion on this subject at all. The designers and modelers at Anet are extremely talented, and the new (NEW, dammit!) models are nice, as always. |
No one is questioning the talent level of the designers at ANET (I don't think), but these new models ain't new. It doesn't take an artist to see that, though in this case, that's what happened.
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Diablo???
The definition of "reskin" is to alter specifically only the bitmap texture of a model without altering its polycount or vertices. Reskinning of a model can be done entirely with a 2d paint program without accessing 3d softwares.
The definition of "remodel" is to alter the 3d object with/without altering the texture, but still recycling it's original rigging. Creating an entirely new set of rigged structure and animation set requires a significant amount of staff reallocation, and considering their current top priority is obviously GW2, the core of their developing team is most likely working on that.
These models are different from their alleged "cousins", which is basically their source rig and bone structures. The differences are just very minor, this is deliberate, as altering the model too much would force them to create a new rig for it, which means new animation, which means significant delay to the development of GW2.
If anyone percieves this as an issue of "understaffing", they are more than welcome to submit a request for "monthly fees" in an effort to assist the quick growth of Anet's developing team.
The definition of "remodel" is to alter the 3d object with/without altering the texture, but still recycling it's original rigging. Creating an entirely new set of rigged structure and animation set requires a significant amount of staff reallocation, and considering their current top priority is obviously GW2, the core of their developing team is most likely working on that.
These models are different from their alleged "cousins", which is basically their source rig and bone structures. The differences are just very minor, this is deliberate, as altering the model too much would force them to create a new rig for it, which means new animation, which means significant delay to the development of GW2.
If anyone percieves this as an issue of "understaffing", they are more than welcome to submit a request for "monthly fees" in an effort to assist the quick growth of Anet's developing team.
Bai
Even though Fleshreavers are just "reskinned".. the lore for them is very original! Good Job Anet!
Pwny Ride
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Even though Fleshreavers are just "reskinned".. the lore for them is very original! Good Job Anet!
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they are not RESIKINNED. Their wireframes and animations may be similar, the SKIN is completely different.
Curse You
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Krait can change forms eh...
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Marth Reynolds
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they are not RESIKINNED. Their wireframes and animations may be similar, the SKIN is completely different.
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Reskinned means that a new skin was made and placed on a old mesh/wireframe and made a new item/creature.
you just pwned yourself ...
Mordakai
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anybody seen this guy before ? i havent
http://image.com.com/gamespot/images..._screen001.jpg -edited into link cause pic was too big i think |
Ninjitsukitsune
reskinned monsters =/ boring
fleshreavers story... eeewwweeee o_o;
fleshreavers story... eeewwweeee o_o;
Tioshi
People they have shown us 4 New Mobs 3 That most of u say "re-skinned mobs"...And the Underworld -Like Mob.
They r only 4 new mobs? NO!!!!!!!!!! if u compare Proph Factions & NF theres alot of "Reskinned" Mobs but Alot that arent(which theres more "unreskinned").
So,What im trying to say they have only shown 4 new mobs out of over 100.(i guess) if theres alot of re skinned mobs why would they release the art book thing,which most ppl look foward to see in the collectors.
So Respect the art of our Creator or Fool ur unwanted abilities.
~Fool Your Sorrounding But, Dont Think Its Not Coming Back To You~
They r only 4 new mobs? NO!!!!!!!!!! if u compare Proph Factions & NF theres alot of "Reskinned" Mobs but Alot that arent(which theres more "unreskinned").
So,What im trying to say they have only shown 4 new mobs out of over 100.(i guess) if theres alot of re skinned mobs why would they release the art book thing,which most ppl look foward to see in the collectors.
So Respect the art of our Creator or Fool ur unwanted abilities.
~Fool Your Sorrounding But, Dont Think Its Not Coming Back To You~
Darksun
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If you like the designs, fine. But if your eye is so bad (which is a shame since you consider yourself an "artist) that you think these aren't recycled models, then you don't have any right to voice an opinion on this subject at all.
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No one is questioning the talent level of the designers at ANET (I don't think), but these new models ain't new. It doesn't take an artist to see that, though in this case, that's what happened.
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Now if you said the "Reaver was a Harpy re-skinned with no Helmet, chest plate, breasts, loin cloth, leg cloths, sash, added spines & horns" I don't think he'd have a problem.
His point was that people like you can't see ANY difference but the skin. Don't think you really have a place to say HE can't see.
Diablo???
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You might want to think about what you just said..
Reskinned means that a new skin was made and placed on a old mesh/wireframe and made a new item/creature. you just pwned yourself ... |
Even if only 1 polygon is changed, by definition it is NOT reskinned.
The Hand Of Death
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The Krait looks like a Hydrolisk from StarCraft.
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Starcraft Hydralisk
Personally the only resemblence to the hydralisk I see is it being serpentine. The Krait is wielding daggers it seems which look kind of like the hydralisk claws but aren't.
They look like the forgotten or the naga with feathery type wing things more than they look like a hydralisk. Hydralisks don't have any snake like facial features and they spit for their attack, these things use opposable thumbs.