Lack of spam = Bad for sales.
Swift Thief
How is using trade chat worse than using local chat? You make no sense.
arcanemacabre
I wholeheartedly believe in trade improvements, I think anyone who has seen my posts know that by now. BUT, and this is big, I have actually been able to sell better in the last week than I ever have. I have always turned off local and turned on trade whenever I want to buy or sell. That's just how I've always done it, and since people have been posting less in local, the ones who actually want to buy things are actually checking trade more often. This banning idea is actually working out for the better, IMO. The honest (non-local-spammer) traders are making out better.
I always use the party search, even when there are no other messages there. I use both party search and trade channel, and like I said, I've been making out better than before. I agree on different colors for buy or sell: maybe that same filter that moves WTB and WTS to the trade, can also color the text for each differently in the trade channel. Maybe even add a different color for WTT, too. All very cool ideas.
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Originally Posted by Racthoh
Think we need a buying and selling tab for each instead of just trade if that hasn't been mentioned already.
Personally I hope more people move onto using the party search window. Whenever I zone into Kamadan, LA, etc.. I always take a quick peek at that window to see if anyone is selling anything I need. Best part being that it shows what is being sold in every district. Scroll at my leisure to see what is there, it's a great addition and hopefully with the enforcement on spam more people will see how useful that window is. |
Masseur
The suspensions are a beginning. Limiting the ability to repeat the same thing multiple times in 1 second is the other that needs to be fixed. You don't really need the ability to repeat the same thing on 2 sentences back to back in 1 second. They should limit how much you can repeat in a number of seconds/minutes or whatever and then the scrolling won't happen nearly as much and will be easier to read.
Patrick Smit
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Originally Posted by MrFuzzles
... trade channel is a good thing, even if it makes the trade channel move too fast. That is a separate problem that they'll have to deal with. Allowing people to trade in local channel is hardly a 'fix'.
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JGaff
Meh, I've always used Trade Channel with a well thought out message (with correct grammar to boot) and I have made plenty of money. Just because you had one bad day selling doesn't mean you need to freak out. When you arrive at Willy Loman-esque levels of luck, tehn you might want to start complaining.
(Not too obscure/old a reference I hope)
(Not too obscure/old a reference I hope)
Omega X
ITs only bad for sales NOW because this is a habit shifting change that everyone has to get used to. When it sets in that you HAVE to use the Trade channel or party window for buying/selling only then will things return back to normal.
aaje vhanli
I say just give it time. Many people are slower to discover aspects of the UI but when word gets around that people should use Trade Channel or Party Search to Buy, the buyers will come.
@ JGaff classic reference.
@ JGaff classic reference.
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Originally Posted by WinterSnowblind
I disagree completely. It's mostly already been said, but spamming the local chat isn't going to make me, or anyone else want to buy the items. It only forced me to hide all of those windows, so that I didn't have to listen to it.
If you want to sell something you can say it once every so often in the trade window. Spamming it doesn't help anyone, if nobody wants it the first time, saying it seven times in a row wont change their mind. |
Couldn't have said it better myself.
And tbh, all the local chat trade spam has also made me solo a lot of the game with hench or heros.
1. You can't see clearly what players are up for a quest or a mission.
2. If I want to buy something I will look at trade chat.
You people who used local chat for trade spamming really ruined the whole *team up with players to complete quests/missions* for me.
Senatoru
FIRST : SORRY FOR MY ENGLISH.
Anet force 100.000 ppl to sell in Trade channel.This night on Local Channel in Kamadan was 5 ppl who make joke about the sellers. GG ANET. Gail...you try ever to sell or buy something in Trade channel? After 5 min the eyes hurt because the lines are move too fast.
Why don`t grow up value of items? After 80 lockcheast open it i have some nice stuffs [all q9] .Must to spend alot of time to sell my weapons .With a right Value i can sell to merchant and go to play the game .
I think it necessary Anet to do something to help traders.Many ppl are complain about this....Why are you just stay and watch doing nothing?
BTW...5000 chest openit....not just 1 weapon req 8 15^50....not to talkabout req 7 [in 2 years].
I hope all who posted messege here to get an answear from developers.
Anet force 100.000 ppl to sell in Trade channel.This night on Local Channel in Kamadan was 5 ppl who make joke about the sellers. GG ANET. Gail...you try ever to sell or buy something in Trade channel? After 5 min the eyes hurt because the lines are move too fast.
Why don`t grow up value of items? After 80 lockcheast open it i have some nice stuffs [all q9] .Must to spend alot of time to sell my weapons .With a right Value i can sell to merchant and go to play the game .
I think it necessary Anet to do something to help traders.Many ppl are complain about this....Why are you just stay and watch doing nothing?
BTW...5000 chest openit....not just 1 weapon req 8 15^50....not to talkabout req 7 [in 2 years].
I hope all who posted messege here to get an answear from developers.
Gawa
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Originally Posted by WildmouseX
people who are interested in buying stuff do pay attention to the trade channel.
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I rarely want to buy or sell. (have only done so twice since starting GW) I leave trade turned off. When i do want to buy or sell...a simple wee click of the mouse button turns Trade on and all the sellers have my full attention
It was incredible...LA1 and only 1 person used local chat to try and sell. Within seconds 3 or 4 others were advising them not to do that and to use trade.
The guy kept it up and the others started saying that no one should buy from him if he wasnt going to use trade. And no one did. And he left.
Yes there still are some people who spam in trade chat. That doesnt help any traders, and i reckon that should be cracked down on to, if only for the sake of all the decent traders who dont spam.
Angelica
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Originally Posted by flubber
This is a joke, right?
spammers want the right to -spam-? if people ain't buying...it's because they don't want the junk you have, not because you can't spam Local with...WTS...WTS...WTS..WTS..WTS..WTS. |
It's so nice to finally be able to read what people say in the normal chat, without all the rubbish of WTS/WTB/WTT... etc. etc.!
If I wish to buy/sell something I'll be looking in the trade chat or the "P" window!
Abarra
I think some of you are missing the point, spammers are not asking for the right to spam.
I too have noticed that if you are looking for something to buy it's harder. When there was spam in the normal channel the sales were broken up by the white text and easier to read. It's hard to see who's selling what now.
I agree with others that a good way to help with this would be to make the names a different colour to the sales text, that way it's easier to see who is the seller and what they are selling and where their ad finishes and another begins.
This is by no means supporting spamming it's a sensible suggestion to improve the readabilty of the trade channel.
I too have noticed that if you are looking for something to buy it's harder. When there was spam in the normal channel the sales were broken up by the white text and easier to read. It's hard to see who's selling what now.
I agree with others that a good way to help with this would be to make the names a different colour to the sales text, that way it's easier to see who is the seller and what they are selling and where their ad finishes and another begins.
This is by no means supporting spamming it's a sensible suggestion to improve the readabilty of the trade channel.
Abarra
I think some of you are missing the point, spammers are not asking for the right to spam.
I too have noticed that if you are looking for something to buy it's harder. When there was spam in the normal channel the sales were broken up by the white text and easier to read. It's hard to see who's selling what now.
I agree with others that a good way to help with this would be to make the names a different colour to the sales text, that way it's easier to see who is the seller and what they are selling and where their ad finishes and another begins.
This is by no means supporting spamming it's a sensible suggestion to improve the readabilty of the trade channel.
I too have noticed that if you are looking for something to buy it's harder. When there was spam in the normal channel the sales were broken up by the white text and easier to read. It's hard to see who's selling what now.
I agree with others that a good way to help with this would be to make the names a different colour to the sales text, that way it's easier to see who is the seller and what they are selling and where their ad finishes and another begins.
This is by no means supporting spamming it's a sensible suggestion to improve the readabilty of the trade channel.
Clone
Lack of in game auction system = Bad for sales.
Dione Davore
I couldn't sell my items as well.
I went crazy by trying to see the difference between the peoples messages.
By the way...
Kamadan eng1 is filled with traders. Traders do now want to conversate about things in most cases so if one seeks a place to conversate you'll def. not find people for it in Kamadan/Lions Arch and Kaineng dis1.
(I believe the Great Temple of Balthasar dis1 is always full with people who talk about most stupid things ^^ )
I went crazy by trying to see the difference between the peoples messages.
By the way...
Kamadan eng1 is filled with traders. Traders do now want to conversate about things in most cases so if one seeks a place to conversate you'll def. not find people for it in Kamadan/Lions Arch and Kaineng dis1.
(I believe the Great Temple of Balthasar dis1 is always full with people who talk about most stupid things ^^ )
Elnai
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Originally Posted by Senatoru
FIRST : SORRY FOR MY ENGLISH.
.This night on Local Channel in Kamadan was 5 ppl who make joke about the sellers. . |
Recon_Alpha
If Anet can't add an auction house, how about a town/out post that is strictly for selling items (i.e. no exits). If they add an exit, just add a small area...like a room….so you can show weapons and such.
This way both all and trade chat can be used.
BTW...anyone thinking that the trade channel or party search is the all answer to trading in GW, you’re crazy. This is why I haven't sold anything in a couple of months. It's a bad system and it sucks having to enter your text, hit enter, wait a couple of seconds, up arrow hit enter. Rinse and repeat until you sell what you're trying to sell, if you can.
This way both all and trade chat can be used.
BTW...anyone thinking that the trade channel or party search is the all answer to trading in GW, you’re crazy. This is why I haven't sold anything in a couple of months. It's a bad system and it sucks having to enter your text, hit enter, wait a couple of seconds, up arrow hit enter. Rinse and repeat until you sell what you're trying to sell, if you can.
Miral
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Originally Posted by Recon_Alpha
If Anet can't add an auction house, how about a town/out post that is strictly for selling items (i.e. no exits). If they add an exit, just add a small area...like a room….so you can show weapons and such.
This way both all and trade chat can be used. BTW...anyone thinking that the trade channel or party search is the all answer to trading in GW, you’re crazy. This is why I haven't sold anything in a couple of months. It's a bad system and it sucks having to enter your text, hit enter, wait a couple of seconds, up arrow hit enter. Rinse and repeat until you sell what you're trying to sell, if you can. |
Recon_Alpha
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Originally Posted by Miral
how would a trading town be any different in regards of enter message, wait, up arrow, enter again?
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1. Perhaps a solutions to the trade chat problem. Instead of telling them to use the trade channel or ban them…tell them to go to xxx town to sell their items.
2. How bad the trade process is.
Both should be fixed. Of course, the ultimate solution would be an action house or something similar but we all know that will never happen with GW1. So, with out that what do we have? Read my original post then this post.
Eagle357
My idea to solve the trade problem.
I've heard that we can't have an auction house because of the way GW stores character data, no worries!
We already have the Party Search ability, for those that know how to use it, it's not that bad.
OK here goes.
1. Lets have a "Trade" Tab (under the party search window)
2. Increase the character limit of a line of text that can be typed
3. Let players list 3-5 items
4. Have a check box of Buy/Sell
Easy huh?
So ideally what'd you'd see is
Character name
Buying
x item, with y stats, willing to pay z amount of gold
Selling
Gold Axe with A mods, B requirement, C cost
Then just let people scroll up and down.
Sounds simple enough to implement.
I've heard that we can't have an auction house because of the way GW stores character data, no worries!
We already have the Party Search ability, for those that know how to use it, it's not that bad.
OK here goes.
1. Lets have a "Trade" Tab (under the party search window)
2. Increase the character limit of a line of text that can be typed
3. Let players list 3-5 items
4. Have a check box of Buy/Sell
Easy huh?
So ideally what'd you'd see is
Character name
Buying
x item, with y stats, willing to pay z amount of gold
Selling
Gold Axe with A mods, B requirement, C cost
Then just let people scroll up and down.
Sounds simple enough to implement.
Melei Hawke
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Originally Posted by Recon_Alpha
If Anet can't add an auction house, how about a town/out post that is strictly for selling items (i.e. no exits). If they add an exit, just add a small area...like a room….so you can show weapons and such.
This way both all and trade chat can be used. BTW...anyone thinking that the trade channel or party search is the all answer to trading in GW, you’re crazy. This is why I haven't sold anything in a couple of months. It's a bad system and it sucks having to enter your text, hit enter, wait a couple of seconds, up arrow hit enter. Rinse and repeat until you sell what you're trying to sell, if you can. |
I have every expectation that the sellers will figure out a way to sell their wares using the tools they have been provided. Spam will not be a part of that solution...
Patrick Smit
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Originally Posted by Elnai
I made jokes about the complainers and the people who now act as little mods. I got banned, gg.
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NOI, but I ASK people when they spam if they could please stop it, as it speeds up the scroll speed, and is unfair to non spamming sellers. Furthermore I provide them with a link to the EULA where it is quite well put that spamming is not wanted. I'm not acting as a mod, I can't as i have no rights to ban you or whatever, BUT as a player I have every right to say to people that they are misbehaving, and that is asocial to ones that are behaving correctly. It's an immatures joke about an adult, but they really don't get the point of rules, effectively making them a joke themselves, a bad one that is.
Fril Estelin
Reading some people here, I've got the impresssion that there is a game in the game ... this is only a virtual economy guys!
WetWookie
It is really hard to read anything in the trade channel when it's displaying 20 messages a second. I think a trade filter would work wonders.
I think a trade filter would work wonders.
Commander Ryker
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Originally Posted by Malice Black
Lol..this game gets better by the minute..
I expect they will do something about the text coloring. Gotta log in to see a spam free LA1 Edit: Still spam in LA1 |
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Originally Posted by me
I opened my chat screen to the total length of my screen (it's a 19 inch viewable) and sat in LA, AD1 last night for 15 minutes. I got 7 screen caps from those 15 minutes. I took one after the message from the original one disappeared.
I have noticed an absense of spammers in other area's so I know anet is doing what they said they would. I think if more people did what I did last night, for only 15 minutes, we could get rid of just about all of them and send the others a message. |
MSecorsky
The ULTIMATE means to reduce spam!
Maintain the lockdown on the local chat, this is a good thing. THEN... charge 10g for each message posted in the trade chat.
Bwa-ha-ha-haaaaa
Maintain the lockdown on the local chat, this is a good thing. THEN... charge 10g for each message posted in the trade chat.
Bwa-ha-ha-haaaaa
lyra_song
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Originally Posted by MSecorsky
The ULTIMATE means to reduce spam!
Maintain the lockdown on the local chat, this is a good thing. THEN... charge 10g for each message posted in the trade chat. Bwa-ha-ha-haaaaa |
Levi Garett
Melei is spot on. Coverage was always key for me when spamming to sell my items I/G (which wasn't often). Finding the right person for what your selling...otherwise it's just spamming over and over w/o any interest.
On another note it looks like this is our solution to the trading issue and we're stuck with it. With GWEN and GW2 around the corner I don't see them revamping the code to add in weaon mod, weapons, inscriptions (etc) auction systems or merchants. I guess it doesn't matter much anyways with the economy being so fubared.
On another note it looks like this is our solution to the trading issue and we're stuck with it. With GWEN and GW2 around the corner I don't see them revamping the code to add in weaon mod, weapons, inscriptions (etc) auction systems or merchants. I guess it doesn't matter much anyways with the economy being so fubared.
Nekretaal
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Originally Posted by MSecorsky
The ULTIMATE means to reduce spam!
Maintain the lockdown on the local chat, this is a good thing. THEN... charge 10g for each message posted in the trade chat. Bwa-ha-ha-haaaaa |
So "pay-to spam" isnt an unheard of concept. And it seems to work. With Much fewer spam overall, and with wide coverage, people actually read your messages.
Of course this game also has auction house, so thats another reason why there is almost no trade spam.
Hyper.nl
I've always used trade channel to trade. And never really had problems. If <main city> dist 1 is too full, I cycle through other districts and my message gets read.
My point: If dist1 is too busy that your message gets hard to read, move on to other district or other city, and don't try spamming in general chat.
My point: If dist1 is too busy that your message gets hard to read, move on to other district or other city, and don't try spamming in general chat.
Kayelyyb
The fact of the matter is Anet is slowly nerfing the economy in guild wars.The first nerf to the economy was the inscribible weapons they took a req 9 15^50 deadbow valued over 100k and made them worthless. then they have a 3x gold drop weekend and a chest run weekend to flood the market with golds. a green drop to flood market with golds. they introduce loot scaling. and now this, prolly the final nail in the coffin for the guild wars economy. i used to be a decent seller in factions. but with the updatesi can't give my stuff away hardly.i wonder in when GW-EN releases if anyone will even be still playing this game???????
Patrick Smit
@Kayelyyb
They really didn't nerf the economy, they just made items more accesible to people with little money. You as a rich player making gold out of "exotic" items may not like it. I also sell stff and would like hight prices. But then I am also a consumer, so when stuff gets more available due craftability, or lower prices I encourage that too.
The economy didn't get nerfed, it got improved. Why it is improved? Because there is more trade now, and economy is usually based on amount of transaction being done and how much money is involved in that. In this way we dont have to accumulate 100+ platinum + X ecto's before we can buy stuff. So finally more money will change owner.
They may have nerfed your little MICRO economy, but they have made major improvements to the MACRO economy.
They really didn't nerf the economy, they just made items more accesible to people with little money. You as a rich player making gold out of "exotic" items may not like it. I also sell stff and would like hight prices. But then I am also a consumer, so when stuff gets more available due craftability, or lower prices I encourage that too.
The economy didn't get nerfed, it got improved. Why it is improved? Because there is more trade now, and economy is usually based on amount of transaction being done and how much money is involved in that. In this way we dont have to accumulate 100+ platinum + X ecto's before we can buy stuff. So finally more money will change owner.
They may have nerfed your little MICRO economy, but they have made major improvements to the MACRO economy.
dancing gnome
The local chat channel was never for trade chat. I've always hated not being able to look for a group for quests etc without being spammed with WTS all the time. People don't use the search function AT ALL. Most towns won't even have a single post in it which is rediculous. WTB ecto 5.4k - is that hard to put in the search function? A-Net tried to make trading easier for people and I for one was very excited when it came out but no-one uses it - it's frustrating. Keep trade chat in the trade channel - if we dont wan't to listen to your "WTS" spam ruining the local channel its our right not to. One channel is adequate enough. Perhaps if they implemented the ability to change the colour of trade chat text to add varryation but deffinitly dont let them back into local chat. Use the search function before complaining - it's there for a reason and is not as bad as people say it is. Make the adjustment and move one, we don't want the spam.
bryann380
It's sad how so many people have the mentality of "other MMO's have an auction house, why can't Guild Wars have one?". Simple... GW is not meant to be like other MMO's. Just because they had features which were really popular, such as an auction house, doesn't mean GW has to have them too.
There's nothing wrong with the current trading system, in my opinion. The spammers are the real problem. And for those complaining about not being able to sell stuff, maybe that's because no one is interested in buying it. Common sense...
There's nothing wrong with the current trading system, in my opinion. The spammers are the real problem. And for those complaining about not being able to sell stuff, maybe that's because no one is interested in buying it. Common sense...
Mr_Cynical
The requirement to use the trade channel shouldn't really hurt your sales. Here's a little tip: people who have the trade channel turned off don't want to trade!. I have made enquiries to three, legitimate ingame traders who advertised their items using the appropriate channel - all in ten minutes while waiting for a guildie. Why? Because I was interested in buying an item (ended up not buying, because they didn't have what I wanted, but I digress). Guild Wars with tradespam filter is not any worse for trading than Guild Wars withouttradespamfilter. Three cheers for Anet!
hallomik
First of all, I don't spam. Never have, never will.
Second, Spam is very annoying.
However, player to player trading is in a sorry state. Killing the spam has made it tougher for buyers and sellers to come together.
The basic problem, as I've posted many times in the past, is that a seller needs to attract the attention of a potential buyer. Putting the trade channel in a non-descript, background blending color is like trying to sell peanuts at a ballgame by politely whispering to the crowd. The trade channel needs a vibrant, eye-catching color.
It's a very, very similar problem with the party search. Everyone says we need to increase the character count and people will start using it. Sorry, but everyone is stoned if they think that's going to fix it. Nobody uses party search because lots and lots of potential buyers don't even think to click on it in the first place.
If there is something to read on the party search menu, there must be something to indicate that fact or people will never click on it to begin with. Once people beging clicking, it's a self-fulfilling prophesy. As soon as it's easier to trade with party search than with the trade channel, people will switch to it.
Second, Spam is very annoying.
However, player to player trading is in a sorry state. Killing the spam has made it tougher for buyers and sellers to come together.
The basic problem, as I've posted many times in the past, is that a seller needs to attract the attention of a potential buyer. Putting the trade channel in a non-descript, background blending color is like trying to sell peanuts at a ballgame by politely whispering to the crowd. The trade channel needs a vibrant, eye-catching color.
It's a very, very similar problem with the party search. Everyone says we need to increase the character count and people will start using it. Sorry, but everyone is stoned if they think that's going to fix it. Nobody uses party search because lots and lots of potential buyers don't even think to click on it in the first place.
If there is something to read on the party search menu, there must be something to indicate that fact or people will never click on it to begin with. Once people beging clicking, it's a self-fulfilling prophesy. As soon as it's easier to trade with party search than with the trade channel, people will switch to it.
Burning Blade
I dont even remember the last time I was selling stuff. Too difficult that's not worth your effort to try unless you have uber rare items that can easily sell for 100K+
Went to Kamadan D1 today, stood there fore like 10 min and not a single message was seen in Local Chat, only trading texts from trade chanel were there. They are very difficult to see and they move fast too, as fast as when there were spams, making it even more difficult to read.
Solution:
- Make char name text and chat text in Trade Chanel different colors
- Change color of the chat text in the trade chanel to brighter color.
- Increase the letter cap in Trade Search window
Went to Kamadan D1 today, stood there fore like 10 min and not a single message was seen in Local Chat, only trading texts from trade chanel were there. They are very difficult to see and they move fast too, as fast as when there were spams, making it even more difficult to read.
Solution:
- Make char name text and chat text in Trade Chanel different colors
- Change color of the chat text in the trade chanel to brighter color.
- Increase the letter cap in Trade Search window
Sarevok Thordin
If people WANT to buy something, they will goto the trade channel. Enough said.
drago34
I think it's good the economy is finally slowing down, the game was never meant to have stuff go for 100k + ectos. There is a reason why you can only carry so much gold. Although I do think it is WAY too late to make a difference but oh well, maybe the economy will work out from the start with GW2.
On that note. Just use trade channel like your supposed to. Maybe Anet will fix the search option some time soon and let you put more text into it but until then just stick to trade... It is the channels name so maybe your supposed to use it... Oh wait never mind your supposed to spam local... Whoa that was a close one I almost suggested using the correct channel to sell something.
On that note. Just use trade channel like your supposed to. Maybe Anet will fix the search option some time soon and let you put more text into it but until then just stick to trade... It is the channels name so maybe your supposed to use it... Oh wait never mind your supposed to spam local... Whoa that was a close one I almost suggested using the correct channel to sell something.