Anet needs to take the next step.
Profanity, verbal abuse, character names with sexual innuendo. Runescape ads, buying or selling of GW accounts.
All of this is more noticeable with trade spam gone. If this is ignored then cracking down on trade spam was a waste of time.
All of this needs banning.
Policing of Local Channel...very Orwellian
fog_of_redoubt
Tingi
WTS: GOLDWAND! U BUY NOW OKE???
WTS: GOLDWAND! U BUY NOW OKE???
WTS: GOLDWAND! U BUY NOW OKE???
WTS: GOLDWAND! U BUY NOW OKE???
WTS: GOLDWAND! U BUY NOW OKE???
WTS: GOLDWAND! U BUY NOW OKE???
Nah that wasn't annoying at all....
WTS: GOLDWAND! U BUY NOW OKE???
WTS: GOLDWAND! U BUY NOW OKE???
WTS: GOLDWAND! U BUY NOW OKE???
WTS: GOLDWAND! U BUY NOW OKE???
WTS: GOLDWAND! U BUY NOW OKE???
Nah that wasn't annoying at all....
GodofAcid
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Originally Posted by sangdynasty
Well im fresh in from game and see ive opened a can of worms.
Now i actually get to read the local chat and get to see people repeatedly yelling (and I quote)... "BAM BAM BOOM BOOM BAM BAM" and "POOPY POOPY POOPY POOPY" Yes thats MUCH better than WTS 20/20 Sword hilt - PM |
Aera Lure
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Originally Posted by sangdynasty
Well it seems that 1984 has come to GW. Big Brother has determined that we are unable as a community to use the chat feature as we feel is necessary or effective.
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Miral
Orwellian? Guild Wars is not a public government, it is private property. You were peddling your wares in a no soliciting area. They removed you from the area and showed you where you can freely sell your items. You can't walk into a random art gallery and start selling rolex watches now, can you? No.
And the response of "but everyone else was doing it!" is just so 10 year old brat I don't know where to begin...
And the response of "but everyone else was doing it!" is just so 10 year old brat I don't know where to begin...
arcanemacabre
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Orwellian? Guild Wars is not a public government, it is private property. You were peddling your wares in a no soliciting area. They removed you from the area and showed you where you can freely sell your items. You can't walk into a random art gallery and start selling rolex watches now, can you? No.
And the response of "but everyone else was doing it!" is just so 10 year old brat I don't know where to begin... |
-Loki-
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Originally Posted by sangdynasty
Well im fresh in from game and see ive opened a can of worms.
Now i actually get to read the local chat and get to see people repeatedly yelling (and I quote)... "BAM BAM BOOM BOOM BAM BAM" and "POOPY POOPY POOPY POOPY" Yes thats MUCH better than WTS 20/20 Sword hilt - PM |
KANE OG
LOL @ The OP! What a thread! 
If you want to spam your crap in all chat, you're going to get a ban. It's simple. It's efective. It's GW life. LMAO. You can rot for all I care. I'm done with your kind. Cya in LoTR's where your crappy gameplay will get you banned too..... if I have anything to say about it.
KANE
KANE
Batou of Nine
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A gaming community should be molded and built by its players, not governed by arbitrary regulations enforced because some people dont like something.
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Yes, the community should be shaped by its gaming community. And guess what? It is! No matter how much the public gripes and moans, nearly EVERY change that Anet makes to this game is via overwhelming player opinions, needed game balances, metagame issues, etc.
Public chat is the very least of issues for this game that Anet continually works on and attempts to alleviate, but even the small things they try and listen to the community about. This was a community push change. All the spam that we always see in public chat was NOT the "community". All that spam was professional farmers/bots, dedicated to taking advantage of a free service/game in order to make real world cash. They do not and should never affect *your* opinion as a gamer nor should they ever be considered something that a gaming company (i.e. Anet) needs to be "fair" with. Making it harder for them to leech off this game and its true community is a GOOD thing, lets not kid ourselves.
Sure i admit a good amount of trade spam in local chat was normal players trying to get people's attn to sell their goods as well as the usual overzealous bot traders. However, the small detriment vs normal players *IS* acceptable since we now have TWO dedicated sources for trading. The trading channel, and the Party Search to list items and *file* it into the trade catagory is more then sufficient. It just comes down to people who do not like change, and who need that friendly nudge. No matter if they want it or not, it is necessary for Anet to take this step as they continue past their 2 years of improving, maintaining and securing for the thousands that enjoy this game...
Just another complaint thread for people like me to point out common sense. lol. However, my opinion is still just opinion, and hopefully it at least makes people and the OP think more...
cheers!
combatchuck
I've given up trying to sell things altogether in this game. The (utter lack of) trade system is retarded, and now I have to read pink on grey to find a buyer. This is a deal-breaker, ArenaNet. If the trade system in Guild Wars 2 is this bad, I will not be buying it. I'm probably not going to buy EotN because the trade system will still suck.
I'm not a spammer. I actually usually use the party search window. Guess what, it doesn't work. If I could put a mouse-over link to "stuff I'm selling" kinda like the skill templates, it'd be different. It would solve a LOT of my issues. Let me guess, though.
I'm not a spammer. I actually usually use the party search window. Guess what, it doesn't work. If I could put a mouse-over link to "stuff I'm selling" kinda like the skill templates, it'd be different. It would solve a LOT of my issues. Let me guess, though.
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lakatz
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Well it seems that 1984 has come to GW. Big Brother has determined that we are unable as a community to use the chat feature as we feel is necessary or effective.
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And I don't believe you have the slightest clue what Orwellian, 1984 and Big Brother means... or when it started. I doubt you're even old enough. If you were you wouldn't be applying the concept to something as inconsequential in the big picture called LIFE as a game.
Use the chat feature as YOU feel is necessary or effective? Huh? What? Are you serious?
Miral
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I've given up trying to sell things altogether in this game. The (utter lack of) trade system is retarded, and now I have to read pink on grey to find a buyer. This is a deal-breaker, ArenaNet. If the trade system in Guild Wars 2 is this bad, I will not be buying it. I'm probably not going to buy EotN because the trade system will still suck.
I'm not a spammer. I actually usually use the party search window. Guess what, it doesn't work. If I could put a mouse-over link to "stuff I'm selling" kinda like the skill templates, it'd be different. It would solve a LOT of my issues. Let me guess, though. |
Creeping Carl
What an idiotic whine thread. And so overdramatic as well. So you can't spam in the local chat. Boo hoo. That's the way it should have been in the first place. So you have to follow a simple rule. Oh gosh that's so "orwellian!" Give me a break.
This is just yet another spammer complaining that he can no longer break the rules as he once did. This is pathetic.
This is just yet another spammer complaining that he can no longer break the rules as he once did. This is pathetic.
Div
What a stupid post by a ranter that can't spam local chat anymore...
Drakzel
I was amazed to finally see this new announcement come up, all i could think of was about damn time. A little while after 2 years of it occuring and they just now found the problem with it, thats nice.
I'd still like to know how exactly these "account marks" will affect it, to be honest I think they put that up just to scare people away from doing it, and they won't actually enforce anything.
Eh, what do I know....
I'd still like to know how exactly these "account marks" will affect it, to be honest I think they put that up just to scare people away from doing it, and they won't actually enforce anything.
Eh, what do I know....
crimsonfilms
wTF?
Orwellian discussion on a freaking online game where you log on, give them your password, have everything you do and say saved in a SERVER, may have your credit card information
NEWS FLASH = online games by definition is Orwellian.
uhm yea the Orwellian state started when you bought the game.
Orwellian discussion on a freaking online game where you log on, give them your password, have everything you do and say saved in a SERVER, may have your credit card information
NEWS FLASH = online games by definition is Orwellian.
uhm yea the Orwellian state started when you bought the game.
lyra_song
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wTF?
Orwellian discussion on a freaking online game where you log on, give them your password, have everything you do and say saved in a SERVER, may have your credit card information uhm yea the Orwellian state started when you bought the game. |
drago34
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Originally Posted by fog_of_redoubt
Anet needs to take the next step.
Profanity, verbal abuse, character names with sexual innuendo. Runescape ads, buying or selling of GW accounts. All of this is more noticeable with trade spam gone. If this is ignored then cracking down on trade spam was a waste of time. All of this needs banning. |
Miral
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I was amazed to finally see this new announcement come up, all i could think of was about damn time. A little while after 2 years of it occuring and they just now found the problem with it, thats nice.
I'd still like to know how exactly these "account marks" will affect it, to be honest I think they put that up just to scare people away from doing it, and they won't actually enforce anything. Eh, what do I know.... |
Kool Pajamas
I'm guessing the OP just read that book and thought he might impress someone with big words. 
Roshi_ikkyu
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Originally Posted by sangdynasty
Well im fresh in from game and see ive opened a can of worms.
Now i actually get to read the local chat and get to see people repeatedly yelling (and I quote)... "BAM BAM BOOM BOOM BAM BAM" and "POOPY POOPY POOPY POOPY" Yes thats MUCH better than WTS 20/20 Sword hilt - PM |
You lost all logical grounds for debate with the above quoted quote.
But Congrats, funniest thread in ages.
I really love the Orwellian addition, but sadly again you fail to understand the reality. Read the EULA! Guild Wars isn't a 'Free-society', by the very definition of the software and legal implications.
You are able to play only because Anet and its fellow companies ALLOW you to. Everything related to the game remains the property of Anet. The only rights you have are the right Anet ALLOWs you to exercise.
It is really ironic you describe the enforcement of a spam rule that has existed since the game was released to the public as Orwellian; when the society/ enviroment (game) was never open or un restricted.
But please do keep the debate raging, hopefully in the same logic lacking style, I am enjoying the comical nature.
holababe
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Originally Posted by mafia cyborg
just disable copy/paste/up arrow in local chat = problem solved.
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Kas
I couldn't post until yet. I was too busy savoring the feeling of satisfaction. Year after year of pure utter chat terror from Tradespammers have finally come to an end. And rightfully so. I've got no pity for those that were banned in the process, countless were the times where your kind has been asked to use the Tradechat and all that you people were capable of replying with was "STFU Noob".
You've been asked in a friendly way so many times, you have also been cursed and flamed at so many times that you basically have just shown one thing: You don't give a ****ing damn. Good for you. Good for us. Because you're the banned one now.
You've been asked in a friendly way so many times, you have also been cursed and flamed at so many times that you basically have just shown one thing: You don't give a ****ing damn. Good for you. Good for us. Because you're the banned one now.
Miral
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That won't fix bots that type 'WTS: [xxx]' when the player presses a preset key.
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william1975
It's bizzare how some people think that the enforcement of laws is somehow dictorial, and that enforcement should not be implemented.
Any kind of law inforcement can become onerous or abusive, and some methods of enforcement can be implemented too far, however, that does not imply that enforcement should be stopped.
It has always been against the rules to spam trade in local, the majority of the community has complained about this, as it interfears with any kind of communication in local, whether that comunication is sensible or not is irrelevant, and there are rules about abusive communication. There are no rules about forming teams in local, while there may be a system for doing it now outwith it I can;t imagine that Anet is going to implement this ruling to that, there are no overwhelming complants from the community about it.
People going on runs may be punished however, if they are exchanging money for it, that to my mind would come under trade would it not?
Maybe people should have one thing in mind with this enforcement of the rules, think of how this would work in criminal law
What is being suggested is that enforcemnt of the rules should not occur, therefore people with this attitude would think that in society rules should not be enforced by the police, therefore if someone comits a crime that breaks the rules they should not be detected and punished, therefore in extreme cases these people are saying that murderers, terrorists, rapists, and abusers should be allowed to do as they please should not be stopped or punished.
Everybody is free to do as they please in any society, however that is not to say that they must suffer the consequences of their actions. Criminals are punished for their crimes when detected and caught, trade spammers are finally suffereing the same fate, making out that doing this is Orwellian, dictorial, or facist is nonsensical, unless you don't care about having any kind of structure to society
Any kind of law inforcement can become onerous or abusive, and some methods of enforcement can be implemented too far, however, that does not imply that enforcement should be stopped.
It has always been against the rules to spam trade in local, the majority of the community has complained about this, as it interfears with any kind of communication in local, whether that comunication is sensible or not is irrelevant, and there are rules about abusive communication. There are no rules about forming teams in local, while there may be a system for doing it now outwith it I can;t imagine that Anet is going to implement this ruling to that, there are no overwhelming complants from the community about it.
People going on runs may be punished however, if they are exchanging money for it, that to my mind would come under trade would it not?
Maybe people should have one thing in mind with this enforcement of the rules, think of how this would work in criminal law
What is being suggested is that enforcemnt of the rules should not occur, therefore people with this attitude would think that in society rules should not be enforced by the police, therefore if someone comits a crime that breaks the rules they should not be detected and punished, therefore in extreme cases these people are saying that murderers, terrorists, rapists, and abusers should be allowed to do as they please should not be stopped or punished.
Everybody is free to do as they please in any society, however that is not to say that they must suffer the consequences of their actions. Criminals are punished for their crimes when detected and caught, trade spammers are finally suffereing the same fate, making out that doing this is Orwellian, dictorial, or facist is nonsensical, unless you don't care about having any kind of structure to society
majoho
Complete and utter nonsense, it's not different than if you tell some person that he should pick up his dogs sh*t and not leave it on the pavement.
But I can't help but be amused over people that are truly offende over this change, I love seeing them foaming at the mouth and calling it a witch hunt when it isn't.
But I can't help but be amused over people that are truly offende over this change, I love seeing them foaming at the mouth and calling it a witch hunt when it isn't.
Gimme Money Plzkthx
There is nothing wrong with this change. If you understood english properly, you would realize the "trade" channel is indeed for trade...
NoPantsRepublic
Wow, the OP must be pretty smart, drawing parallels to Orwell's 1984 and speculating, based on meticulous research and musing I'm sure, that even more oppressive features are just over the horizon.
Anphobia
on the other hand...Shing Jea can be friendly, I enjoy chat in there :-p
DreamWind
I fail to see why people are justifying this crap rule with "people wanted it". Hey people have been wanting an auction house and a better trade system A LOT longer than this and those haven't shown up...
I stick with my point...fix the trade system. Don't ban people for using the system that was created.
I stick with my point...fix the trade system. Don't ban people for using the system that was created.
Vinraith
OP needs to reread 1984, he missed the point.
Kas
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Don't ban people for using the system that was created.
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Dawgboy
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The Guild and Alliance tabs are still trade-spammable, right? If you all think this is going too far then there shouldn't be any objections to using those channels to spam. RIGHT?
To those others who are crying about spam never being a problem anywhere but the 3 big towns, BULL.
I've been in towns that only had 2-5 other people in it and someone would warp in and spam their crap 30 times in 3 minutes. That's ****ing annoying, and I dare you to tell me different.
L|S >+>+G+<+<
People aren't being banned for using the sytem they are being banned for abusing it & spamming the local chat, simple as that.
I have lost count of the number of times I turned on local chat to shout for a party only to see an endless wave of trade shite going on.
And it aint even as though it was one shout now n then, its usually..
wts...
wts...
wts...
Perhaps it wouldnt have been so bad if people just shouted once :/
Anyway those who don't like this are very likely to be the ones spamming trade & well....tough. You're a salesman or lady so use your selling skills & find another way.
*guru auctions* ...... *guru ventari sell*....... maybe even the TRADE CHAT :O
You don't think I came across as being fed up with all the local chat trade spammers at all do you? :P
Oh & if this gets rid of some bots too, then wooohooo
I have lost count of the number of times I turned on local chat to shout for a party only to see an endless wave of trade shite going on.
And it aint even as though it was one shout now n then, its usually..
wts...
wts...
wts...
Perhaps it wouldnt have been so bad if people just shouted once :/
Anyway those who don't like this are very likely to be the ones spamming trade & well....tough. You're a salesman or lady so use your selling skills & find another way.
*guru auctions* ...... *guru ventari sell*....... maybe even the TRADE CHAT :O
You don't think I came across as being fed up with all the local chat trade spammers at all do you? :P
Oh & if this gets rid of some bots too, then wooohooo
Rocky Raccoon
I look at Guild Wars as a country and ANET as the government. We are the people who vote as to what we like and dislike, and if enough of us vote one way or another, things change. There are also times when the government(ie, ANET) does not do what is popular, much like the real world government, we either live with or repetition the with want we want. The OP position about 1984 is off by a few years, he should have said 1776, We are a democracy here not an anarchy.
Roshi_ikkyu
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heh well then something will obviously seem amiss and so ban those who are obviously using bots, permanently
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Anets stance on the matter is if a person has to press a key to activate a preset combo then they are still playing, and are not infact employing 'bot' devices.
I myself use a G15, and before people suggest botting, I use the hot key functions preset into one programmable key, so I press one button to achieve ctrl + v.
lakatz
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Originally Posted by Kool Pajamas
I'm guessing the OP just read that book and thought he might impress someone with big words.
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QFT
sangdynasty
HEHE I can hear the grinding of the logic mills from where I sit.
The problems in ALL chat are so much worse than I ever immagined as the new ban forces me to actually suffer through the mindless dialogue that some feel is prefferable to trade chat in ALL.
I surrender *white flag raises*. As a matter fo fact I DO know how to turn it off, which is what I always did BEFORE when I didnt want to be bothered. Funny no one else could think to do that but, alas I guess twas my original thought that perhaps other thinking individuals played as gamers and saw as I did, that this "fix" is nothing more than a petty band-aid applied to the emotional wounds of a disaffected few that found it hard to have their "meaningful conversations" out in the open, in an anonymous gaming community, where some 3 million others are made to bear witness.
To those that ripped me, it's all well taken and I can appreciate your point as I now will have to leave local off so as not to be sickened by the "important conversations" that so beautifl FLEW past before.
To those that got it, PM me as the "Hi Sang" that got me in local wont work any more.
As ever your humble and loyal GWer (flaws and all)...
Regards
SANG
The problems in ALL chat are so much worse than I ever immagined as the new ban forces me to actually suffer through the mindless dialogue that some feel is prefferable to trade chat in ALL.
I surrender *white flag raises*. As a matter fo fact I DO know how to turn it off, which is what I always did BEFORE when I didnt want to be bothered. Funny no one else could think to do that but, alas I guess twas my original thought that perhaps other thinking individuals played as gamers and saw as I did, that this "fix" is nothing more than a petty band-aid applied to the emotional wounds of a disaffected few that found it hard to have their "meaningful conversations" out in the open, in an anonymous gaming community, where some 3 million others are made to bear witness.
To those that ripped me, it's all well taken and I can appreciate your point as I now will have to leave local off so as not to be sickened by the "important conversations" that so beautifl FLEW past before.
To those that got it, PM me as the "Hi Sang" that got me in local wont work any more.
As ever your humble and loyal GWer (flaws and all)...
Regards
SANG
Creeping Carl
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Perkunas
Somewhere up through these posts, someone said it, It's not just trade spammers getting warned/banned, it is ALL spammers. If one just posted their 'wares' just once, then people would have a chance to see it. It seems, many people think their item is more important to 'announce', that they drown out everyone else by SPAMMING.
No SPAM = No Ban.
I personally wouldn't mind seeing a 'Services' tab for those of us looking for or offering runs/guilds/power leveling, etc.
No SPAM = No Ban.
I personally wouldn't mind seeing a 'Services' tab for those of us looking for or offering runs/guilds/power leveling, etc.