New gang of leechers operating in AB since the specific update. Is it beyond remedy?

Thanks Gaile.

Anyway, i'd just like to repeat some stuff. I know ANet is reluctant in making too many things bannable. But leechers are nothing you didn't ban before. If you look closely, a person using bot or a macro to constantly enter mission while standing idle in Offline mode - they dont differ. There's absolutely no difference except that PvE bots ruin gameplay indirectly and leechers ruin it directly.
How would PvErs feel if in every mission they do there are 2 bots (out of 8) who just stand still automatically but take their loot? And you can't restart the mission because you might get 1 bot, or 3 more, or perhaps none if you're lucky.

No one expects borderline cases to be handled. It's just, there are too many professional leechers. Even a year ago, there were those who would enter FA for instance, and laugh at us saying "You made me earn 1 million gcs by selling amber", and then they would go afk.

Last night I did some AB with my Guildteam.
It was incredible to see how many leechers run around. And not only that.
In one fight there was a warrior with flametrap who just ran into a shrine time after time to get himself killed. He did nothing else.

I feel sorry for all those who play the game the normal way like my guild does but we decided to resign each time when we see leechers. It's just no fun anymore.

With the new AB-rewardings it's easy to see how leechers destroy the game. At least before you got more points when you lost but now you lose by leechers and end up with 150 points!!! And it's really nothing good players can do about!!! Time for some action ANET!!!

Now leechers actually earn faction faster, because they people leave when they see leechers, because there is no point to stay and fight.

Seeing as GG is looking at this thread, I thought I'd put my 2 cents in too.

I can actually handle the odd leecher on a side, hopefully if there s 1 or 2 on each side it balances out. The problem is the new reward system. As has previously been mentioned on here, if one side is losing by a "significant" margin, more people now leave and there is no incentive to compete.
At least when you were getting 2 faction per point, it was still worth working towards that 500-400 loss - now, everyone just gives up.
This leads to AB ultimately being less satisfying.
also, another major problem now is that personally, I will not play AB when the map is favouring the other side - the possible rewards (given the advantage to the opponents means on average they will win) are just not worth it. This will only make the wait on the Kurzick side (I have accounts on both sides) even worse and if anything increases the afkers.
I think the rewards adjustment was an interesting attempt, but really as far as AB is concerned, it is counter productive to its intention.

I regularly frequent this forum and since long cause the global quality of the topics is high end. You all folks are like me, we comply with FAIRPLAY without which a game cannot exist. no fairplay = no game anymore. The game loses its essence, and tends to become the JUNGLE LAW.

This is what I experience right now and thats why I decided to intervene and I registered myself. THIS IS MY FIRST POST in this forum cause it has to stop ones for all. If nothing is done I will stop AB cause the fun is gone. One month ago a leecher was operating during a battle and it appeared that it was a player from my Alliance (we own Cavalon). I jumped from my chair upset, the battle ended and I spammed the Alliance channel advertising the name + the tag of the guild. Several officers pm me saying me it was not the way, that I had to pm first an officer, who will intervene...blabla. I sent my apologies for my reaction. But after all what I had done was not rude.

Its true, GW since NF/heroes has become a SOLO online game. ELITE missions are done between guildies or mates ie ppl who know each others.

PUG is DEAD, this is the subject of another topic.

The jungle law has the power, the doubt is rising, you dont trust others, loot scalling is implemented,...and so on.

Why are we encountering such a situation ? cause the global mentality is changing like the world in which GW is embedded with.

To sum up a vast amount of GW players are in IT for the money + fame. Why not?

And everything that can be done to achieve these TWO goals will be tempted. WTF the OTHERS I want my title + I want to max the max of titles + I want the rarest items = leechers + bots + chinese farming companies.

You are rich + lazzy oryou have not enough time to play + u want to be like the others or maybe one step higher = dont worry we take care of your characters/avatars we SUPERSEDE you = its only XX$ per month.

The Game is losing its SOUL........GW is losing its SOUL.

GW is my first online game, I like it I will buy GWEN and I will buy GW2 but I want Anet to change the multi repaired tyres for brand new ones LOL cause GW will not be able to go far. I believe in the devs for their awesome creativity , their business model without monthly fee, their global game approach.

Just do it.....and lets have fun at last wtf, like we used to have in 2005 when all started.




PS/ The more positive you are, the more you increase your chances to achieve your goals.

Here's a screenie from a recent match:



In the end, I was alone since the ele was AFK as well, so I just danced around and performed stand-up comedy. (That guy took ages to kill the lone Luxon longbow.)

6 members of our team have quit, 2 from the start (people said they were Kurzick and purposefully quit to hinder us) and the rest in a short while after it became clear we were outmatcher. It surely is not just a random occurance, since anyone who plays FA regularly can prove that the amount of quitting has gone up since the rewards update.

I appreciate the fact that you guys at A-Net are trying to do something, but you'll have to keep trying, since leechers and quitters are still doing their best to take away the fun from all of us.

It gets worse, here's what I found in AB a few days ago.

Naturally I tooks screens and reported the asshat.

Doesnt matter the reason. If they had an emergency then they need to leave not leech.

Go with people you know, this way you don't get leechers. Works for me.

problem is until you can choose the other 2 teams of 4 that goes with you then there will still be the chance of a leecher. you can have a full guild group no problem but one of the other groups may have a leecher or even be a leeching group all together. i really do think maybe limited or no rewards for those who leech will be a better choice rather than a ban. most of the casual leechers wont bother downloading bots or macros or things of that sort (either cause they dont know how or theyre just lazy) and may stop.

usually if i see 3 or more leechers in a match....also giving hem about 3-5 minutes to return if it is really just someone who had an emergency, thats when i leave and go grab another group. if its only 1-2 leechers ill still take my part and get what faction i can. its more or less becoming a battle of which team has the least amount of leechers and amongst those who didnt leech who is the better one. AB and FA are still fun just because of how the map plays out and everything but the leeching bastards are a total buzz-kill.

we could always turn ab into what lion's arch international 1 used to be...RP FEST! we could be all like..."it hath been ages since i took sight of thy brother. how goeth he?"

and then a kurzick could be all like..."hark, he goeth not well for he got smitten with the drink."

and then we could be all like..."tis harsh, for a noob was he."

then the kurzicks..."thou art the noob."

then someone could break in with a lame racist comment...oh wait, it's already like that...

...but i'm sure anet is taking note of the fact that the "cure" was worse than the "problem".

Here are my solutions though they can get slightly costly..

1) Declare it is a bannable offence. The announcement on the log-in screen about all chat spam was VERY effective in cutting it down.

2) Create another such weekend like a double heck even a TRIPLE faction event. Take your time off and hire some fresh people for that weekend. Those people and Arena-Nets current support should then enter alliance battles/JQ/Aspenwood and write down the names of afkers. The fact you guys are hunting down leechers should not be known to the public till AFTER the entire blitz is over. Banning the people that dont do anything/People that stand at their spawn for the entire game will be a start.

The fact that they were gone the entire battle makes them a leecher despite real life issues. If it was something urgent, they would have the decency to tell their teamates and then leave.

Repeat step two with people that admit they are sabotaging the team (Idiots i know...)

3) Repeat Step two for All other forms of PVP

4) Declare the number of leechers that were banned. This will show you are doing something and raise your Arena net faction to tier 9 where you will get the special Frog emote.

Enjoy.

This is sheer genious as it would illustrate a failing of the system and reward everyone equally.

On a sidenote though, if i were to randomly log in and see this occuring and didnt know it was planned to happen, i would probably laugh a bit before ramming my head into the wall to get how sad that state of being is out of my head.

Unfortunately there is nothing in the EULA stating that leeching is not ok. At least I just reread it it and can't seem to track that down. Although I agree with your opinion, the EULA doesn't state it.

no doubt. it would go from leeching to the equivilant of aim-bots in fps.

i' kinda down with a hybrid idea of 0 faction reward unless you are part of a cap. at least the bots would run to the rez orb shrine and camp it...perhaps basing the amount of faction on the number of caps rather than total score. it'd probably be a pain to create 24 individual scores per game instead of just 2...but it would be relevant and would reward people for playing the game.

If something is not done about leechers we are supporting total incoherence.

Saying that not everyone does it is not a valid argument to just let it pass, such as justifying spam with the flawed party search.


Right?

"Go with people you know, this way you don't get leechers. Works for me." says Buster

We all know this as to AB you need to be part of a Guild.

But the only way to get rid of leechers is to try to make sync teams.......

Even if I am inside a 4 friends team, AB is 3 X 4 players chosen randomly....

So your post dear Buster is useless LOL

Read instead of posting something which adds nothing to the situation.
In fact you are the kind of player like a vast majority, who thinks :" Wtf the OTHERS, ME first, only me, the game can collapse"

You dont realise that LEECHERS are spoiling Alliance battles.

I am starting to see an AVERAGE of 3 leechers per fort aspenwood game as the kurzicks, sometimes up to FIVE LEECHERS in a single game. That means more people are LEECHING than playing, and I haven't run into a single team where nobody is leeching all night. Where is the fun in playing when the outcome of the match isn't decided by who plays better, but who has less leechers? I know a lot of people complain about this but my experiences tonight show, to me, that leeching is DEFINITELY becoming more rampant.

Talk about the nerve of the leechers nowadays...

I'd just like to submit an idea.
Say (Now I'm just using an example amount, here) 5,000 Total Faction were possible (Kurzick/Luxon) in a game to earn. The percentage of 5,000 you would receive would be based off the amount of shrines you assisted in capturing (By being present while the shrine goes to neutral/to a paticular faction) AND as long as you used a skill or attacked in that capture (As I'm well aware bots have an easy time following a paticular player around) Say you aided in capturing 5 of the 10 total captured shrines in the game, for your team, then you would receive 2,500 of that total 5,000 faction for capturing 50% of the total shrines. This solution would (Or, as I see it presently) solve the situation of leachers (They are only receiving an incredibly small faction from kills) AND encourage some of the players in the AB to get into the primary objective...Which would be capping.

While there are some flaws in this, (Such as a group of four fighting a group of four between two shrines, as often occurs in the early game, and that a person can merely go up and wand an NPC and get the faction for it) I do believe that the people who attempt to capture shrines should be more rewarded than the fool only interested in spamming power attack on a fellow W/Mo.

Creating such a policy would avoid the need for troubling with banning & solve the leach problem (Or, atleast significantly reduce the faction they recieve.)

Well, since it is my idea, I'm too arrogant to pick out any large flaws. Your own comments (and potential criticsim) are welcome.

Alternatively....

MAke it a group of twelve, instead of three seperate groups of four. It would not eliminate leaches, but if there were large guild groups, you could guarantee there would be none...

Actually i believe it's equally easy for them to spam some random low cost & recharge skill as well so it won't be a totally bot destroying solution. On the other hand it may lower their population a bit

Dear Gaile,


One month elapsed......and still a lot of LEECHERS in AB.

Do you have any feedback from the devs about this PLAGUE?

Are the devs willing to STOP this practice ??????? ===> yes or no? or do we have to handle it ??? ===> yes or no? in this case as I got my Champion title...I will STOP abing.

Please give us some fresh informations....if available.

But dont leave us in the fuzziness/fluffiness = it is unfair

Thank you in advance for your cooperation.

I said it once (when it went over like a lead balloon) and I'll say it again (which will prolly have the same effect): We will not be free of this sort of nonsense until we have some kind of reputation system to help us sort the wheat from the chaff.

A voting system to kick a person out would be cool... however ***holes would surely kick players they dislike...

Dear Gaile,


More than One month elapsed......and still a lot of LEECHERS in AB.

Do you have any feedback from the devs about this PLAGUE?

Are the devs willing to STOP this practice ??????? ===> yes or no? or do we have to handle it ??? ===> yes or no? in this case as I got my Champion title...I will STOP abing.

Please give us some fresh informations....if available.

But dont leave us in the fuzziness/fluffiness = it is unfair

Thank you in advance for your cooperation.

I think an inactive player should be kicked after 60 seconds. If they are truly away for a good reason it wouldn't matter to them. You could then prorate points awarded based upon team ratios to balance the scoring. I don't know how feasible this would be, but lets the remaining people have reason to keep going.

I've been doing a good bit of ABing lately... I haven't seen a single leecher in a few days. Not one.

I just started again most recently. I think I saw 1 leecher a ton of leavers. The guy could've been a leecher but with the insane lag lately I can't tell. Sometimes they start moving like 2-3 minutes into the game.

Leavers have grown from what I remembered. They're leaving at all points during the game, when we're winning, losing, just captured 2nd shrine. Again, I'm not sure if they're doing it cause of lag or what. I've seen people quit out of GW in frustration cause of the lag. I'd count myself as a leaver probably since I got disconnected twice and wasn't able to return after the second time.

Edit:
Oh I forgot to mention people have been calling themselves leechers and put up searchers looking for leechers. Jokers or whatever they are I ignored them but they're there.

Easy fix...

Instead of handing out faction at the end of the battle make it so that you have to go and click on a randomly positioned NPC at the end of the match in the actual instance. When you click the npc and accept you return to town. Its not that hard to re-make the team.

In order to prevent automation make it so that the "goto feature" doesnt work. You have to walk over and actually click the npc.

I know there are "advanced" botters out there that can make GW get them a drink while they are afking, but that is not the rule.

The simplest fix is the right thing to do here.

I've seen entire guilds that seem to be devoted to leeching recently. I can understand when they don't care when a random collection of people are leeching, but when there are entire guilds devoted to leeching, it's just ignorant to do nothing.

Simple, I think Anet should implement a Master Chaff title, leachers will max this out real quick, problem solved.

from recent peeks into the dat file we know there is a Kick option coming... lets hope this will be a solution that will be worth while... Kick the leacher replace with a henchmen... Penalty on kicked leacher can not rejoin for 10 mins...