Caught a Scamming Droks Runner *w/proof*

Age

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I would just like to say to Cottage Pie was it really necessary for your self to report this person.It is not like you are out a whole lot of gold.You had on you enough to buy 3 sets of Droks armour and on one other character you have FoW.What were you going for in the first place?

Cottage Pie

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Originally Posted by Age
I would just like to say to Cottage Pie was it really necessary for your self to report this person.It is not like you are out a whole lot of gold.You had on you enough to buy 3 sets of Droks armour and on one other character you have FoW.What were you going for in the first place?

oh the dyes in the bag were just to get labyrithine(?) monk armour. I tend to turn cash into dyes when they are at a low value and I know they will go up again (in this case cos of the dye weekend). Anyhow this isn't about the 2k geepee, it's about the disgusting behaviour of a player which is far more significant than virtual gold. I also sent the report in on behalf of others I was with.

But hey, according to the more bitter cases in this thread even bothering to report a scammer is somehow confusing. I'll count my blessings I'm not so easily confused. Also, that is what scammers themselves always say, so when someone else says it I instantly think they are probably a lame 50g-not-50k scammer.

I really find it hilarious how people who waste countless hours on games trying to get 1337 st0ff allude to the time, roughly seven minutes, it takes to submit a complete report in the hopes that unwelcome scammers will feel some heat. I'm really not sure what their point is. I could say they wasted their time posting such useless drivel in this thread, but their heads would explode.

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Originally Posted by aubee
Fwiw, being run does not make one a scammer. ANet is well aware of the Droks run and quite obviously intend for it to be possible albeit very difficult as they have adjusted its difficulty on more than one occasion. If they considered it a cheat, exploit, or scam and wanted it stopped, they could easily make the run impossible.

However, advertising a service, taking money, and then not providing the service is scamming and is against the user agreement AFAIK.
yea you're right..a scammer scammed an EXPLOITER. My bad.
-and in case you haven't noticed...the run DOES/IS get(ting) harder and harder..but nigh impossible.

the game was designed for you to have max armor when not even getting around half-way thru. lol. by paying someone gold. to run you.

lakatz

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Originally Posted by flubber
yea you're right..a scammer scammed an EXPLOITER. My bad....
Your bad is right Flubber ... because it's not an exploit just like Aubee said (read Aubee's post again... especially since you quoted it)... and Cottage Pie is not an exploiter. There is a section right here in this very forum under Ventari's Sell titled "Services" which includes a lot of different running services... because running and being run is completely legit.

Cottage Pie...

I've been reading this thread for a few days now quietly admiring your energy, follow through and dedication to doing what is right. And I see it's time for me to stop admiring quietly.

BRAVO Cottage Pie!

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lmmfao.

So if it's not a "scam" Or an "exploit" tell me why anet has made more changes to that certain area more so than others lol.

If it was meant to be a paid for service that ANET themselves wanted, why isn't there a Npc that will just transport you there for a set fee?

only reason it's not labeled a scam or an exploit is because the whiners have not banded together as of yet. -give it time.

runners have alot to do with the current state of PuGs.

arcanemacabre

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Originally Posted by flubber
lmmfao.

So if it's not a "scam" Or an "exploit" tell me why anet has made more changes to that certain area more so than others lol.

If it was meant to be a paid for service that ANET themselves wanted, why isn't there a Npc that will just transport you there for a set fee?

only reason it's not labeled a scam or an exploit is because the whiners have not banded together as of yet. -give it time.

runners have alot to do with the current state of PuGs.
What in the hell are you smoking? Or are you just being severely sarcastic? Please tell me this is an elaborate joke.

Look, if Anet didn't want people to run, they would simply board up the exit from Beacon's Perch to Lornar's Pass. Simple fix. Bam. Why do you suppose they haven't done that since, as you say, it's an "exploit"? Of course, if you're joking, no need to answer that question.

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It is a complete exploit, you know it..I know it...Anet knows it..Everyone who ever paid for a run knows it. That's why people pay for it. to have something that low level classes shouldn't have.(maxed out armor in this case).

What are you smoking? If it wasn't worth it, why would people even seek out a "run", when they can attain the same rewards thru regular gameplay?

only reason it's not boarded up is because at one time runners made up a large bit of the community. They prolly still do. But if reports get flowing in of scammers...etc.etc..etc..bye bye running...and all that other jazz that goes with it.

arcanemacabre

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Originally Posted by flubber
only reason it's not boarded up is because at one time runners made up a large bit of the community. They prolly still do.
What does this mean? It's not boarded up because "runners made up a large bit of the community"? Well if it's an exploit, as you say, wouldn't that be the reason for boarding it up, not against? I am failing to see your logic, here. Just because something has a potential for scamming doesn't mean it's an exploit by definition, if that's what you're getting at.

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Originally Posted by flubber
If it wasn't worth it, why would people even seek out a "run", when they can attain the same rewards thru regular gameplay?
So you also think it's wrong for people to give their lowbie characters max weapons? I mean, don't see much difference, it's all gear. Max armor, max weapons, same thing. Besides, two more missions and they're at Lion's Arch, and able to travel to Kaineng to get max armor themselves. I fail to see how this imbalances anything. Maybe in the early days of Prophecies, but not now.

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Flubber I can give you an example as to why Anet could just easily board it up. Take for example the Urgoz Warran exploit, Anet stopped that and people still complained and they didn't care. They can just as easily board up the gate to Lomars just like arcanemacabre said. The Black pre market was full of exploit items(expert salvage kits & bags with runes of holding) Anet stopped those exploit items by introducing Charr bags and Charr kits into the game.

So if running was an exploit Anet would stop it.

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It's not wrong lol. it's accepted as part of the game. Because on the whole, the majority wants this(runs). The majority have been thru the campain fully, multiple times.

there used to be whole guilds dedicated to running. I'm sure that(ending running) would have made alot of bad-blood back in the day if it was boarded up. Instead they just made it more of a challenge. As far as unbalance...there was a time when going into the ascalon/other low end arenas and wacking away at someone with max armor wasn't fun.

max items? they can be had for $5
/bonusitems
but notice...armor isn't included.

It's funny that people pay for mission runs...but who am I to judge? I mean they paid the $50...who am I to say they can't let others play the game for them?

All I'm getting at is; one runner that burns someone....Bah....Fugg it.
if the OP wasn't doing something that really wasn't meant to be...they would have never got burned.

arcanemacabre

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So if running was an exploit Anet would stop it.
Exactly. It's only an exploit if Anet says it is, by definition. In fact, they have said they think running is a viable service. It's working as intended - NOT an exploit in the least.

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yeah it's great to see that lv.12 at THK. wanting in your group...

but we know they fought there.

arcanemacabre

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Originally Posted by flubber
yeah it's great to see that lv.12 at THK. wanting in your group...

but we know they fought there.
THK is just as hard with high-level mobs as the surrounding areas around Kaineng City, and you can easily fight your way there at lvl 12. What's your point? How is it any different? Anet made it possible for both to happen, and this has been the case since 2005. What's the big deal?

jrk247

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I'm getting sick of people whining about scammers/runners, yes you got scammed but you have to realise the risk of what you are doing. You trust someone to run you, you agree to a payment (usually before you leave) if you don't like the way you have to do it don't do the run. People get scammed all the time by runners. If you are going to cheat (notice how I said cheat not exploit) the system deal with the consequences. Yes it sucks to get scammed but it's no need to always invade the forums because of it. Best way to avoid runner scams is to pay after you get to an outpost, if you can't get the runner to do this I would not get a run from them.

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Exactly. It's only an exploit if Anet says it is, by definition. In fact, they have said they think running is a viable service. It's working as intended - NOT an exploit in the least.
rofl
yes running SKILLS are working as intended.

If max armor was meant to be on a low level character, why isn't it given right from the start?

lol @ lv 12 holding his own...not w/o lv 20's around.

Why do you think max armor is available so soon in factions/nightfall.
Why do you think Levels are acquired so fast in aforementioned campaigns?
Why do you think it was made 'harder' to run these other campaigns?

arcanemacabre

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Why do you think max armor is available so soon in factions/nightfall.
Why do you think Levels are acquired so fast in aforementioned campaigns?
Why do you think it was made 'harder' to run these other campaigns?

Uhh, yeah. Why do you think, huh?

Seriously. You have all the info you need, you just need to put it together in your head. Mull it around a little, it'll click eventually.

A little hint: Level and armor mean little to nothing in GW.

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Uhh, yeah. Why do you think, huh?
because running is working as intended? lol...that's why those changes have been made...yeah to help the runners out..

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Seriously. You have all the info you need, you just need to put it together in your head. Mull it around a little, it'll click eventually.
I'm already outside of the box. the rest need to play catch-up.

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A little hint: Level and armor mean little to nothing in GW.
really? Then why are there such things -ingame-? I think the devs might say otherwise. If they mean nothing why isn't everyone naked and still at lv4?

a low level with max attribute points etc... will still get hammered by a higher level that knows what he/she is doing. That is a whole other thread though.

jrk247

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One thing that I thought I'd throw out there. Not everyone is getting runs to get max armor. They could've been getting run to get some other 15k armor sets, so don't think they are trying to get max armor all the time. And yes some people do get runs to get max armor, but it really shouldn't matter to you only reason it would matter/affect you in any way is if you were playing PvP with them but even then in PvP you all have max armor (or should and if you don't it would be your fault). So please stop ranting about how running is a HUGE game exploit. The truth is that it isn't Anet had realised this and they have even put the term in their guides/wiki. An exploit would be a game bug that people abuse over and over not a runner. If Anet didn't want people running/ferrying they would just add (or remove) some code and poof you can't run past this giant wall or you can't have anyone in your party to ferry anywhere. So stop trying to tell us it's a huge exploit, because if it was it would have been dealt with a long long time ago.

Why do you think there are gates in Faction's/NF AND you get max armor/weapons early in the game?

Let it sink in for a bit before you post some rant about how we're all wrong you are right.

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well...pretty much you are all wrong. Only reason action has never been taken against runners is because the community/anet supports the exploit.

period.

no one like the truth. No one..

jrk247

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http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Running

I guess everyone's wrong but you, even Anet!


...and if you haven't noticed yet. /sarcasm

arcanemacabre

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well...pretty much you are all wrong. Only reason action has never been taken against runners is because the community/anet supports the exploit.
Explain how it's an exploit if the developers of the game support it. What exactly makes it an exploit?

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no one like the truth. No one..
I can tell. You do seem a bit upset.

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it's never been called out as an exploit before now has it?(not to my knowledge)

Too many people use it to admit it. and so the devs choose to do nothing about it. which is why you never see the runners who scam and the scammers who don't pay keep bumping uglies with each other...so in a sick way, the devs support the scamming of a exploit. lol.

in the end...no one gets banned...no one gets the gold back..

me upset? I'm roffelcoptering at this entire thread, even my own posts...It's pure entertainment.

I love calling them like I see them. and then having people say "no".

freekedoutfish

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Originally Posted by Cottage Pie
Someone drops out so they then demand everyone else pays more after, after ,we have all paid; obviously knew we'd not stand for getting pushed about like gimps. 99% of runners simply get peeved when someone drops out, they do not take payment then demand more money or they quit.


Out of the literally countless runners I've had over the years from mr random wammo to those 'lady blue steel' world tour types, never been scammed, so when it happens I think it's only right to give everyone a heads up on the very few that are not trustworthy.

This scammer also mocked the ability to report scammers, I've never been scammed, never had to report a scammer, I'd like to know does it work or is it futile?

gg all.
IMO...

1) Running is cheating, because your paying to be run around the game instead of putting your own effort in. If you get scammed doing so, then tough sh*t in my view.

2) If your being run by a person who is charging a total price amoung you're group, then your stupid. You pay a set price EACH, not as a total group.

If you really, really have to be run somewhere. Then you pay a set price individually such as 500g-1k personally. You DONT pay 5-10k as a group, because then if someone leaves, you all have to cough up their share.

Its a blatent scam otherwise.

Does that really take a huge amount of intelligence?



*roles eyes*

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Originally Posted by flubber
it's never been called out as an exploit before now has it?(not to my knowledge)

Too many people use it to admit it. and so the devs choose to do nothing about it. which is why you never see the runners who scam and the scammers who don't pay keep bumping uglies with each other...so in a sick way, the devs support the scamming of a exploit. lol.

in the end...no one gets banned...no one gets the gold back..

me upset? I'm roffelcoptering at this entire thread, even my own posts...It's pure entertainment.

I love calling them like I see them. and then having people say "no".
Both you and your logic fail... Just stop before you make a bigger ass of yourself. Running= gold sink= Keeping the economy alive, it's nothing like an exploit.

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Both you and your logic fail...
LoL

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Just stop before you make a bigger ass of yourself.
it's not me that is making an ass of myself..I know what's going on. The rest are in denial, like yourself.

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Running= gold sink= Keeping the economy alive
which is why it is put up with...never denied that

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it's nothing like an exploit.
HaaHaaaHaaa

yea you're right...all low level characters are meant to have max armor, access to 'greater' skills and the ability to cut game-play in Half.

Risa

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Uhhh... Let's see... I beat the game already. Took me a nice 24 hours or so. I have money. I want a new character. But I don't want to spend 5-10 hours going through Kryta, the Maguuma, and then ascending in the Desert. Instead, I can get a run to Droks in 30 minutes, get maxed armor, and cap some elites without having to waste 10k on an elite tome.

In the end, I save time by spending money. And since time is money, it's a win-win situation. Only I'm having a lot more fun with my maxed armor and elites than I was grinding my way through 13 missions to get to Droks, which I happened to already have done with my other character.

And don't give me that OMG MAXED ARMOR ON A LEVEL 4 EXPLOIT EXPLOIT OMG shit. I could've just did one extra mission to get to LA, then to KC and buy maxed armor there. But maybe I wanted to get 15k armor in Grotto. So I spend more money and then I have this awesome armor, which would have taken me 7 or so hours to get if I went the long way.

I HAVE money. I can SPEND my money in whatever fashion I want. If I want to take a risk and take a faster method than grinding through the game, I'm free to do so. If I get scammed, that's because I wasn't careful. It's not like I can't get that 3k back ever ever again.

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And don't give me that OMG MAXED ARMOR ON A LEVEL 4 EXPLOIT EXPLOIT OMG shit. I could've just did one extra mission to get to LA, then to KC and buy maxed armor there.
Prime example of another great exploit (as mentioned by others) along with the docks ferry lol.

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Only I'm having a lot more fun with my maxed armor and elites than I was grinding my way through 13 missions to get to Droks, which I happened to already have done with my other character.
it sure is fun, isn't it?
I believe that is the main reason it is left in game. it just happens to be that alot of 'new' people know/learn about it as well. which is why you have 'low end people' in 'high end areas'. all that is accomplished is making horrible players, who don't even know simple game mechanics.


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If I get scammed, that's because I wasn't careful. It's not like I can't get that 3k back ever ever again.
Tell that to the OP. Not me. lol.

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And don't give me that OMG MAXED ARMOR ON A LEVEL 4 EXPLOIT EXPLOIT OMG shit. I could've just did one extra mission to get to LA, then to KC and buy maxed armor there.
Prime example of another great exploit (as mentioned by others) along with the docks ferry lol.
Uh...are you really claiming that being able to buy Factions and travel from LA to KC is an exploit? You think it's a bug that ANet lets Tyrian characters travel from LA to KC? If so, ANet sure is silly deliberately designing all these exploits into their game. And it's downright nefarious how they then disallow players utilizing these exploits in their rules of conduct.

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it sure is fun, isn't it?
I believe that is the main reason it is left in game. it just happens to be that alot of 'new' people know/learn about it as well. which is why you have 'low end people' in 'high end areas'. all that is accomplished is making horrible players, who don't even know simple game mechanics.
Fwiw, it isn't just "left in the game." The possibility for players to make the run from Beacon's to Droks was put there deliberately by ANet when they developed Guild Wars and you can bet that the first person to ever make the run was one of the GW developers before the game was ever released. If they hadn't wanted it to be possible, they didn't even have to put Lornar's Pass on the map. It pretty much serves no other useful game purpose, right?

And the reason cited by the poster to whom you are responding is likely why they made such a bypass of a large chunk of the game possible, so that players don't have to grind through the whole game with their 5th, 6th, and 7th characters if they don't want to. That plus the fact that they probably just thought it would be cool and fun for players to try and make the run. They do seem to track and regulate the difficulty of the run to make sure that not just anyone can do it. I have little doubt that it is still set up pretty much exactly how ANet originally intended it to be.

But feel free to believe that the Droks run is an accident and that runners and those being run are scammers and exploiters. Whatever makes you happy.

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Originally Posted by flubber
I believe that is the main reason it is left in game. it just happens to be that alot of 'new' people know/learn about it as well. which is why you have 'low end people' in 'high end areas'. all that is accomplished is making horrible players, who don't even know simple game mechanics.
How long ago did you played? I haven`t seen low lvl characters for a long time in high-end areas (at least in Europe). Even if, they won`t form a party other than henchmen or with group that will accept them (they aren`t blackmailing 20lvl parties, are they?). New players usually don`t have 15k to buy run + armor, so they will go through game in "normal" way. If they just want a max armor, they go to F/NF (only cost of armor, no run required, at least no expensive run). So the only people using Drok runs are now these having only Prop, players who prefer Tyrian art >>> other, or players that want to have access to SF or other southern shiverpeak areas (elites) w/o having to do lots of stupid missions again (I`m sick of doing Magguma 10th time, especially when playing monk, henching is awful...).

If someone think Drok run is cheating - its just your opinion. Imo its same as using storage to obtain max weapon rather than taking the one you found on gound...

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Originally Posted by flubber
well...pretty much you are all wrong. Only reason action has never been taken against runners is because the community/anet supports the exploit.

period.

no one like the truth. No one..

Ahhhh, sweet sweet irony.

Don't argue with idiots, they'll only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.

Seriously... and to the OP good job, regardless of the questionable logic in some of the posts in this thread, and regardless of whether Anet does something it's the right thing to do.

Phaern Majes

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Ok, you need to find a new word, because if it were truly an exploit that would involve the runners using the game in a way Anet didn't intend it to be used. However you admit yourself that Anet supports it so by definition it can't be an exploit. If the developers LEAVE it in the game, ALLOW it to continue, and go so far as to SUPPORT it how can it be labeled exploiting?

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If someone think Drok run is cheating - its just your opinion. Imo its same as using storage to obtain max weapon rather than taking the one you found on gound...
My God don't give him another thing to rant about. Because you soooo know storage is such an exploit /sarcasm

Lmao at the "no one likes the truth" bit. The person who is wrong often tries to justify their claims by saying everyone else is wrong and in the dark.

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Ok, you need to find a new word, because if it were truly an exploit that would involve the runners using the game in a way Anet didn't intend it to be used.
no, it is what it is...an exploit.

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However you admit yourself that Anet supports it so by definition it can't be an exploit. If the developers LEAVE it in the game, ALLOW it to continue, and go so far as to SUPPORT it how can it be labeled exploiting?
I can't rightfully answer for anets actions/reasons for letting it in game. I can only call them on it.

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Lmao at the "no one likes the truth" bit. The person who is wrong often tries to justify their claims by saying everyone else is wrong and in the dark.
Yes, all of the people who say it isn't an exploit are supporters of it. That is the beauty of it. And no thousands of people aren't in the dark, they just use the exploit(s) to their advantage.

-and for the record, this isn't a rant. It's a in-game observation. of. an. exploit.

Hmmm...why don't my heros start out with max armor, and why can't I get it for them...anet fix this please lol.

That must be a glitch...because according to all of you, they should have access to max armor from lv.3...but for some reason their armor levels thru the leveling system.

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oh the dyes in the bag were just to get labyrithine(?) monk armour. I tend to turn cash into dyes when they are at a low value and I know they will go up again (in this case cos of the dye weekend). Anyhow this isn't about the 2k geepee, it's about the disgusting behaviour of a player which is far more significant than virtual gold. I also sent the report in on behalf of others I was with.

But hey, according to the more bitter cases in this thread even bothering to report a scammer is somehow confusing. I'll count my blessings I'm not so easily confused. Also, that is what scammers themselves always say, so when someone else says it I instantly think they are probably a lame 50g-not-50k scammer.

I really find it hilarious how people who waste countless hours on games trying to get 1337 st0ff allude to the time, roughly seven minutes, it takes to submit a complete report in the hopes that unwelcome scammers will feel some heat. I'm really not sure what their point is. I could say they wasted their time posting such useless drivel in this thread, but their heads would explode.
I would of simply of paid for that person that left you.You might of been out 3K big deal.The runner could of simple left all of you there to fight you own way down to Droks.This what I do when I run ppl through the game if no payment is made along the points I have set out and someone does want to pay I will leave them and it is no where near a town or outpost.I take screenshots as well.I would report honestly the person who left the party as well.I wonder how you will trust a runner from Droks to Marhan's Grotto.

To the rest of you who are saying boarding up Lornar's Pass they would never do that.What about those ascended players who are making there way up there to get cartographers title?How are they suppose to get into Beacons that is what that entrace is for.

unienaule

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I have to LOL at calling running an exploit since the devs have talked about it and why they set up Factions and Nightfall the way they did in regards to running.

Anyway, this thread is total crap and a flame war now. Closed.