LOOT SCALING NERF – Ruining the Fun

Why buy it yourself?
A guild is team efford, so why should the guild hall not be that way?
In my previous guild, I bought a few NPCs for the guild hall.
Just because they were my (RL) friends.
In my current guild I would do the same, though they are not my (RL) friends, but I like playing with them very much.

And I don't know what this has to do with the 'new player'.
The moment they should be thinking about making a guild is several months away. Getting a hall and equipping it even longer.

Agree with the OP, the nerf has ruined the game for me. Once you have finished the game, there isn't anything to do besides farming, and solo farming was the only way to make money. Getting more golds on hard mode is worthless, as we can't sell them as there is no trade system.

Would you like some cheese with that whine?

No trade system? Really? Heard of Kamadan, or KC, or LA, or Droks? You walk in, you spam what you want to sell in a fashionable way at a decent price, it sells. Solo farming is NOT the only way to make money. Do people even do quests anymore? Doesn't seem like it. They give money rewards along with what you earn from the act of DOING the quest. Anyway, guild halls don't cost that much. You say 'as a new player' but my monk earned more than 5k on the pre island in Factions without selling anything to players, and I wasn't farming. I'm not even level 20 yet. Who makes ALL their money from whites anyway? Tonight, I received several golds and atleast ten purples. And pure 100+ gold drops. I would say 'in a group of six' but that's not relevant, because of scaling, right? Gold is just as easy to get as it was before. End of story.

the prominent question is. is loot scaling better for most players than the old system?

the answer is no.

yes. gold item drops are exempt. we know....stop quoting them. but for the farmer they are few and far between, and nothing near the amount of money needed in the 100K+ regions for the high end vendor stuff....like the 15k armour vendors etc. so unless THEY go down by an 1/8 th......the climb towards 15k has been upped.

and for the inflation enthusiasts....here's a brain teaser...if everything now costs less....and bot farmers get less....people will NEED less....and bot farmers will simply SELL less.....we're back in square one except that everyone now has less money and are grovelling for things that haven't change....like fixed priced items/skills/high level armors etc.

with reduced inflation, people will ask little amounts of gold from bot farmers....which is just dandy because they're getting little at the moment.

NOTHINGS CHANGED!

everything in the merchant still costs the same, hell, im not gonna spend 1.5k i just spent groveling to get on a lockpick. the only things i HAVE noticed go down is the materials. which only means we're now getting even LESS money for drops we salvage. and of course base armour is now 1k....well thats because the insignias are now removed from them...the price of gold money hasnt gone up.

loss loss loss on every side. for me, the cost of everything has stayed the same, and money drops and mercheable white drops have decreased drastically. which makes it frustrating for me because i have 10 pve characters, and im also an armor collector....yeah, i know someones gonna say i should play for fun..but my idea of fun is armor collecting...

i've always defended GW to the bitter end, every farming skill that got nerfed, i looked for another way, every farming area that got nerfed, i went to new pastures. i've never bitched about or hated anything in GW untill this. with changes to such a BASIC element of the game, im doubting gw:en, and im doubting gw2 even more....i wont be buying it if it has loot scaling thats for sure. This one is a kick in the nutts. it;s a joykill, it really is. i dont want to lose faith in anet. but im just so hacked off.

Unless you are selling a perfect elemental sword or the like, selling is not effective, takes too much time, and is boring.

And quests are worthless once you reach max level, a 200 gold reward is a joke.

Bitch about it some more... The fact is loot scaling is probably going to fix an already messed up economy. It's been in pretty bad condition from the beginning. If it wasn't so early I would go further into this but since it's 4am I think I'm going to try to get back to sleep... Maybe I'll finish this tomorrow.

*sniffs thread*

Hey! This is just another "zomg stop the bots" thread in disguise.

I'm really not having a problem making money in this game. I started a monk from scratch using no existing funds or weapons and I've been able to afford Kurzick 1.5k armor and plenty of skills and elites for myself on what I've made whilst playing though the game. You don't *need* obscene wealth to play GW...and in the end...the money isn't going to do anything special, especially when GW:2 comes out.

Solo farming (including bots) was pwned that one day ANet made all loot scale depending on party size. You whined, ANet chickened out and reverted it. We could have increased drops and party farming right now, blame yourselves.

I must be the only one who's made more money SINCE loot scaling.

The proof is in the FOW armor my Dervish has.

But as Celestial said, you don't need hordes of money to play this game. I myself played most of it with the bare essentials.

And if you want more money I found people reach one of two conclusions. Either do something about it, or make the new loot scaling thread of the week.

With the current system, trading is NOT a viable option for making money.

It is not an exaggeration to say that the in-game player-to-player "trade system" is a failure, and utterly hostile to new players that are unaware of the market value of items.

All my 8 character slots are filled, 6 of which act only as mules to store all the good weapon upgrades, inscriptions, and other valuables that I find from day-to-day questing. I only store those that I know should fetch over 500g.

Can I sell any of this stuff? Not when I have to stand for a good hour or more in one of the crowded trade districts SPAMMING endlessly to make my wares slightly visible above the sea of scrolling pink MIGRAINE INDUCING text that comprises the Trade channel. In the end I give up. That's why I currently have 6 characters doing nothing but hoarding all my loot.

My ambition in this game now (I've finished all 3 campaigns) is to aquire one complete set of Ascended Kurzick armour for my ranger. That is all. This requires raising a lot of money. This sort of money can not be acquired simply by playing through the game normally, as Anet would like us to believe. Now that farming has been nerfed it can no longer be acquired unless you get that perfect gold drop and also have the time to stand in a city spamming for hours until you get a customer. I don't enjoy this one tiny bit, and neither I'm sure do 99% of us here.

Ok... Here is a simple test I did last night -

Party:
Myself, Koss (Hero), Margrid (Hero), Drunk (Hero), Illusionist (Hench), FireMage (Hench), Healer (Hench), Motivator (Hench)

Campaign: Nightfall

Location: Honour Hill to South Eastern corner and all around, skipped 2 of 3 bosses, killed the 3rd one.

Killed over 100 monsters consisting of skree, djinni, deathbane lizards, alien looking lizards, and hecate mobs.

Gain: 750g, 2 skree vambraces (white), 1 purple wand (had inscription of salvage on it), 1 light blue shat bow of junk

That's it...

Almost 2 hours of fighting.... a HELL of a lot of 10 monster mobs. I couldn't even break 1k after 2 hours. Before the nerf you would get at least around double that in gold value from runes or salvage or items.

It is funny... I have 47 skill points but not even 5k to get me a few new skills...

Unlucky? I am not sure... but since the loot scale... I know for a fact that my drops and gold income per say per hour is well under half what it used to be... Why am I concerned with this? I can't afford new skills... I can't afford just about anything now

I think they didn't intend to affect large party booty, but somehow implemented the change wrong... they really intended to just cut back on solo farming profit margin.

(FYI - I HAVE to use heroes and hench... I can't even find PUG and my guild is very small... so what choice do I have? )

Prowlinger, I'm sad to say you'll get little support here.

Those players who have lots of cash, items, armor, etc - have it because it was a goal for them, a status symbol they can point to and say "I'm better than you". Consider it the GW equivalent of the teenager who has the sports car. Whoop-dee-friggin-doo, right?

What they do not realize is that really, the people who notice armor and weapons are in fact, themselves and only themselves.

But never ever tell them that, they get really mad that everyone is not noticing them. Whoops, did I say that out loud?

So yeah, look at this as an arms race between a select few who beyond reason and sanity care about in-game booty, and are willing to invest unreasonable amounts of time. (or $$$ in shady chinese gold buying)

ANet is choosing to cater to them by restricting gold access in the game world. The tradeoff comes down to - either you or I could spend the next 200 days playing GW virtually nonstop and make mad cash and get the things that the zealot fanatics already have, right? We have the option. I am just not choosing that option, obviously. I live on collector or 1.5K armor, and drops. I made one exception, the Ancient Monk armor was cool - so I spent the 40K that I could have used to buy more skills. Meh.

But this is only a game to me, and whatever - it will all go poof in a few years.

But if you and I are not willing to put in that time, then ANet has simply shown that they are siding with the fanatics and zealots in limiting access to the better looking gear to them - so they have something to crow about. Otherwise, they might realize that their investment of hundreds or thousands of hours in GW was actually a huge waste of time..........? Maybe better spent actually meeting people of the opposite gender in this magical adventurous place called "outside".

All this is food for thought, and intended to get you and anyone else reading this thread thinking.

And as to where I am going with this? Look at this game as a horse - ride it while you can, and stop when it is no longer fun. It sounds to me like you are not having fun at farming with reduced rewards.

Don't listen to all the fanbois who claim they make more money per unit of time now - that's obviously wrong as ANet has only lowered rewards.

So what, you want to make all the GW fanatic nerds cry when you have the same in-game armor that they do? Without the trippy amount of time it takes to get it?

How dare you.

Thanks!
TabascoSauce

Why are there people always pussy footing around the subject when we're talking about loot-scaling.

they always make it a personal affair about vanity or teenage-mind frames and etc.

im just trying to get a simple message across.

The current loot scaling does not validate the way the game expects you to fork over huge sums of cash for 1) expensive titles and 2) ascended armors.

OK ok. so you guys think that loot scaling is all great and dandy.

do this then. go take a regular farming build. i dunno. VwK
Kill more than two thirds of the grawl there and smile at the 3 grawl necklaces, the single grawl gear and blue staff that you recieved. do you know how frustrating that is.

sry. to be clear. i was talking about killing grawl at witmanns folly.

Allow me to add my own example from last night.

Vanquished Gyala Hatchery (explorable) with a full party of heroes/henches. (Watch your aggro when you do this! Roaming mobs... but I digress...) When all was said and done, I had three golds, a handful of purps (one had a major vigor) and my inventory was full with whites. I didn't bother to count the gold.

Back in town, ID'd and merched everything, including the whites. (It's important to ID all your whites! You can double the value of the gold the merch gives you at the cost of 5gp for the ID.)

I replaced my lockpicks (always start with 10) and gave Dunkoro the major vigor (he wouldn't shut up about it...) Net result, I had more gold than I started with by a couple plat.

Loot scaling does not affect the full party! Now stop whining and go make money the fun way.

Alright, im gonna post this again.


Listen guys.

15k Vanity armor, Vanity weapons, and all that junk are all designed to be Gold sinks and Time sinks. You must never forget this.

Prowlinger, your only legitimate complaint i would agree with is skills, and ive pointed out a solution many times in various threads with use of skill tokens as quest rewards.

Problem is the improved drop rates on golds, and greens, combined with less actual gold when farming has oversaturated the market with things to sell and drained the game of cash reserves. That's what's killed the economy.

Good points TabascoSauce...

My argument isn't about getting something for nothing (and your checks for free)...

You hit the nail on the head... if the drops are reduced in hero/hench large parties.... the expensive of skills and high end items has not changed.

Granted I am not an economics master, it is pretty logical to say that the drop rates of everything is volatile now. I have yet to play in HARD mode... therefor I am seeing reduced drops in NORMAL mode. I do have some characters I **could** go farm with just for hard mode but this isn't WHY I am playing the game right now.

I am just in the middle of Nightfall... in Vabbi... using Heroes and Hench and an occasional Guildee or two... (mobs are forcing me to fill out the party to max of 8 teammates to survive). I am even using greens for most of them and good sets of runes... I was able to make a "living" before the changes... and now I am losing money. The income ratio per hour is at least cut in half for normal mode. We know we are not going to get rich here... unless someone wants to donate 100k to me and I will just shut up...

It is like getting a cut in your paycheck by 50%. Now to make the same amount of gold per hour ratio you will have to work the night shift and it will be x10 harder at that (hence HARD mode). Don't get me wrong, I think hard mode is a great thing... but I am not there yet. I feel like I am being forced to switch to playing hard mode with old characters just so I can upgrade my current campaign NF characters who are still not even out of Vabbi yet.

I do think solo farming runs should be looked at and toned down... not everyone does it but when they do... chances are the bots are doing it the most. What does not make sense is that with a party of 8 (heroes and hench) the drops rates have greatly decreased (on top of them taking their share already)... So honestly... unless you play in all human groups... it is a lose lose situation for people still not into hard mode or PUGs yet.

Maybe some day I can reach the end of NF and Factions... being able to afford to is to be determined.

I do love GW... and plan to get GWEN... it just is very hard to play the way you want to play and still end up broke as a skunk doing so. I had to sell my Mini Bone Dragon just to make some gold a while back... hated to do it but there was no other way to make some money without tooning a new solo farmer w/m or something like that... Kinda feels like we are being forced to grind farm now just to survive... :/

The important question is, how much did this take you?

Honestly move on it is ok, find a new place to farm, or try something new, evolve like a monkey and use a new stick ………………. (No offence)

Old farm I would fill my inventory with stuff worth 30-50 gold each

New farm I fill it with stuff worth 50-100 gold worth of junk the extra time to fill my bags is worth it for me.

But the drops have NOT changed for in full parties of hero/hench/people.


Loot scaling does not affect full parties AT ALL.


Get it? I've been playing with full parties of hero/hench and Im making money fine.


You obviously know nothing about statistics either.

Im confused. What do you keep spending your money on?????


Youre right. That doesnt make sense. Because its NOT HAPPENING.


Afford what? What do you keep spending your money on?????

Loot in full parties sucked to begin with.

I played through consulate docks mission normal mode in an 8 person group and got 2 gold items. Sucks for you. Quit whining. Sorry, but solo farming and making 20% less money is not going to kill you.

Skill tokens as quest rewards sounds good.

A-net did implement these 'Tomes', which allow you to unlock skills.
Only problem I have with them is that they are very rare drops.
Since lootscaling one elite tome dropped for me and one or two regular ones.
In all the teams I've been with in HM, both vanquishing and HM missions, I've seen them drop only a few times.

I would agree with an increase on tome drops and perhaps the implementation of a 'primary tome', usable on all professions, but only the primary profession.
And perhaps regular tomes as drops from normal mode bosses and as rare drop from normal mobs in normal mode (much like scrolls).
Make them farmable, since there is no trader for them and you can't sell them to the merchant.
Tomes don't add new gold to the game and can therefore be excluded from loot scaling or can be dropped more often.

Selling golds is a pain and takes too much time, and in addition noone is willing to pay what the stuff is worth anymore.

Lyra 1 - 0 This Thread imo. The only coherent argument supporting lootscale in this entire thread, thats saying something.

Party drops are identical in quantity to what they've always been. They do not suck, it's quite easy to turn a handsome profit - tip, dont waste your money on keys or lockpicks, theyre whats known as a goldsink and you'll NEVER break even on them. Loot in full parties is pretty decent if you don't waste your money on things like this. Solo drops are better in hard mode, so complete Nightfall, stop moaning and work for what you want. Thats how I made the 60k in my storage at the moment and the hundreds of plat that must have been through my storage by now, a lot of which has been post loot scaling.

And I remember 'way back when.' You know, in the old days, it was likely when you got a gold that it wouldn't even have a damage mod on it at all, and it was possible that to get completely clean golds with no mods at all. Tell me things aren't better today when considering that...

Basically, this can be summed up as: "No matter how much people whine about it, ArenaNet will not be adding the much vaunted instant win button to Guild Wars."

The common answer I see is quest do quest and missions to make money back.

In party's of 8 I don't find I get money stuff then again I used to get more items. Then again maybe its just bad luck.

Now back to your answer to do quests and missions. My problem is I've done them all I have no quests or missions left in the game. I help people lots of them and hope for better drops but nothing hardly anything. But like I said this might just be bad luck so whats left farming... it takes hours to make money that way.

I find I get bored after one hour and in the past one hour was all I needed to make 1-3 k just enough to buy a skill or two that I had my eye on.

For me having to spend hour after hour farming is pointless and boring. As for helping friend although fun and I love doing it. I find I broke even after. No money left over for other things.

My money is ether slowly going down or at a stand still.

[QUOTE]you say you could play HM for more money but you are not playing for money but your only huge bitchwhine fest is.......I DONT GET ENOUGH MONEY.........RIGHT

RIGHT AGAIN GREENS AND GOOD RUNES BUT NO MONEY

did you know that vanity armor was meant to be worked for over an extended play period not as a basic starter show off item?

WRONG AGAIN full party is exempt

what you mean is can i finish in the style i think i deserve

no not survive but have the super high standard of living you want

I'll say the same thing I said to the last guy: Stop playing Guild Wars.

If you're one of the many people complaining about the loot scaling, you're most likely one of the people who sees Guild Wars as a game where you have to get rich and get all of the best stuff, or you aren't worth anything. And, if you aren't getting rich, you aren't having fun.

If you aren't enjoying Guild Wars just because you can't get that req. 9 Elemental Sword that you wanted, or the greens aren't coming so easily, then quit playing. There are better things you can do, but then again, you're probably not motivated to do anything else, so you just whine about it.

I personally like the loot scaling. Greens and golds mean very little to me when my ultimate goal is to get titles. Those things are just nice little gifts I can get on the side for my great efforts.

The oddest thing about this whole fiasco is that it seems like only the people who were really paying attention to their loot beforehand are whining. It seems like everyone else is fine with what they're getting. Stop being greedy.

Seriously prowlinger, let me try another example.

There is a cliff up to a mesa. Some people have climbed it - dedicated a significant portion of their lives (say hundreds or thousands of hours) to learning to climb it, studying how to climb it, climbing it, wiki-ing their experiences, and looking at themselves standing on the top with extra large vanity mirrors and imagining that this was a meaningful accomplishment in the grand scheme of the universe.

It did not get them any dates with people of the opposite gender, it did not feed any poor, or cure any diseases, or really do anything meaningful in the world other than suck up their time in a vanity-filled purposeless time sink. A fun time sink, but really without even a trace of utility relevant to the real world.

So, here you come along and ask for a set of stairs set into the cliff? Or even worse, a chair lift? Something to make it easier? Cheeky.

Those who are callow and shallow only see the stairs, and ignore the fact that they can still climb the cliff the old way and feel true accomplishment. To them, the betraying fact showing their true intentions is that they do not seem to care that climbing the cliff was the true accomplishment, they only see the bling - standing on the mesa, or in the game case having lots of armors and gold/rare weaps and gold. It is not about the journey, it is all the destination. And you should have to do the same meaningless time-consuming crawl up the cliff that they did. Right? Wrong? Who knows. But they'll be damned before they agree to give you a set of stairs.

Me, it is about the journey. I think since it is all virtual stuff and everybody can have a set of primeval armor and nothing will be harmed, well heck let everyone have one then. Won't harm me, and I do not care about that anyway - you have to zoom in to the game to see it, and in the small amounts of time I have to play excepting work, family, etc I am doing something purposeful, or trying to.

How dare you ask for that shortcut and make those callow shallow destination focused people lose their achievement engine? That's like asking for stairs in the cliff - and democratizing the mesa. Uncool - just uncool.

Thanks!
TabascoSauce

THATS IT. You guys are giving me a headache. And im here homesick..nauseated....*rubs head*

I did a quick quest. And here the result.

Character: Callisto Bites You
Quest: Stolen Eggs
From Cavalon Through Archipelagos Through Maishang Hills To Gyala Hatchery.
Quest Total Time: about 19 minutes.
NORMAL MODE
3 Heroes + 4 Henchmen

I took my time since i was a minion master, and minions are SOO slow, and i wanted to kill stuff along the way. I could have ran it, but that defeats the purpose of showing you how much money i can make in a short quest.

i started at 12:42

No money. No items.



Time is 13:01

We reach Gyala.



Talking to the merchant.

Total Drops
316 in gold
1x Jade Staff (blue)
1x Bone Charm
1x Jadeite Shard (WOOOT!! Loot scaling!!)
1x Jade Longbow
1x Hand Axe
2x Naga Skin
1x Archaic Kappa Shell



Total Money Made in about 19 minutes
626 gold + 1 jadeite shard



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So I made about 700 gold (if i sold the jade) in 19 minutes, in a FULL PARTY in normal mode. And there werent many mobs in the way, this quest is so short.

What is so hard?

I hope you get feeling better, Lyra.

Thanks!
TabascoSauce

This thread is pointless, it's just another rant about how bad it is to make money with loot scaling. Oh wait that's right I forgot loot scaling is fixing the economy. You don't need to have as much gold to buy the same thing you used to since gold has more value to it... How many damn times will people have to say it before it gets across.

The problem is that I used to as much as 5k in roughly the same time. I don't have the time to farm all day, so it took me 2 months to get my first set of 15k armor. With loot scaling in place, GW2 will be out before I can afford another one.
You might say I don't need 15k armor, which is true, but I still want it. I shouldn't have to dedicate my life to a game to be able to afford some neat stuff, especially as GW was supposed to be casual friendly. And not only that, now I have to farm for hours just to buy some freaking skills as well.

While drops have not changed for full parties, the economy has changed for everybody. The new economy affects some people positively and some people negatively. I'm not going to take sides on whether the current loot scaling is good or bad, but I'll just point out some of the effects on the economy.

Because it is harder to get gold now, the value of gold obviously goes up (ex: Ecto used to cost 10k, now it costs 5k. The same is true for most good such as dyes, superior runes, etc). This seems to be a "buff" for the so called "casual" player who only plays in groups. Before, if he didn't solo farm or trade with other players, it was near impossible for him to afford a 35k superior vigor, now he can buy it for about 13k. The cost of the rarer skinned weapon drops have also gone down. The cost of armors and skills seems to be the same for this "casual" player (set at 1k per skill, 1k per armor piece, 15k per ascended armor piece, etc). However, this is not exactly the case, because the casual player does trade with hardcore players, directly or indirectly through the NPC traders.

ANet's goals seems to be to slow down bots and to decrease the margin of "income" between casual players and farmers. While the second goal of making the margin smaller has succeeded (loot scaling slowed down solo farmers a lot), there are other negative effects to the casual player. Before a casual player can still participate in the high end market. For example, if a casual player happens to run into a superior Fire, Swordsmanship, Monk, or Death rune, he makes several thousand gold. If he happens to get a black/white dye, he makes several thousand gold. Or an expensive armor inscription that he does not need. Also, materials in general were more expensive (fueled buy rich people buying materials for high end armor or multiple armor sets). Or if a casual player happened to get a good upgrade component for a weapon. Most of the time, when you come across a "good" item, it is an item that you cannot use. In the past it was possible to trade it to the trader or other players to make a few thousand gold, which is enough for a few armor pieces or several skills. This links the casual player economy with the hardcore economy. Unless you are very lucky, I'm pretty sure that all casual players have come across desirable runes that they can't use, dyes, desirable upgrades, materials, etc which they can trade.

As a simple example to demonstrate my point: I can still sell a Healing rune and use the money to buy a Fire rune for my elementalist (assuming they have always cost about the same at the trader), however, I cannot sell the healing rune to buy 3 skills any more, I can only buy 1 now. The same effect is true for armor pieces and all the items that have their prices set in stone: armor, skills, merchant goods, etc. The hardcore economy has changed a lot due to loot scaling, and now hardcore players are less willing to pay high prices for items like runes, dyes, etc, items that casual players can. Since less gold is generated, gold is worth a lot more now. However, skills and armor cost the exact same number of gold, despite the fact that gold is worth more now (so skills and armor in effect, cost more). So casual players actually get skills and armor at a slower rate now (however, they can buy greens, rare skins, and runes easier now).

So essentially the hardcore market is more accessible to the casual player but it wasn't something they cared about in the first place. Meanwhile, the casual market has remained constant but casual players have less gold. So at the end of the day, the rich stay rich and the poor stay poor? This is a good thing?

Loot scaling was just wrong....mainly because it wasn't necessary. A good secondary argument would be that it doesn't fit within the realm of logic or the lore of the game. 1 person doing the work of 8 people only gets 1/8 of the drops? Someone explain that in the realm of logic. How about monsters only drop their item 1/8 of the time if just one person killed them? Explain that in the realm of this game's story. But that's not even the main reason why it's wrong....

There was no good reason to scale loot down. Bots!? That's crazy. Bots have existed since the release date and will never be eliminated. Should the masses be punished because of the few? Should your taxes be increased because someone else robbed a bank? Bots are a convenient excuse for any problem (real or imaginary) in Guild Wars and allows ANet free reign to institute just awful "updates". Would any of us know if what Gaile says is true about all the accounts being banned? NO! However any of us can go to Bergen Hot Springs and see the endless parade of bots. That leads me to believe we've all been punished for nothing!!!

Who does loot scaling help? How is anyone benefited because either they or someone else is getting less? Could the Hard Mode update have been done without loot scaling? Of course! Would everyone be happy? Yeah, pretty much. So why make people mad in the name of eliminating bots (which can't be done) when you don't have to? It was just wrong.

[QUOTE]here is your answer and it should have been done a year and a half ago as this interview is more than a year and a half old.

note who is quoted and it is not Gaile

...Prowlinger, it took you an hour to do all that in post #51? That's sad. Post #56 mirrors my earnings.

spellsword 15k armor and casual dont really fit together.

Hell the moment you start posting on a fan forum, you crossed the line of a casual player.

Gw is more casual friendly than ever. Prices are low, Questing with full parties makes more money than farming. Its nice.

If you farmed heavily before, everything seems more expensive now. But casual players wouldnt notice a change except for the positive.

But this is less gold through trading. Money rate is the same for full parties of 8.

Armor and skill costs stay the same. But the rate of getting money for casual players is also the same.

Its farmers who have to work harder now. I used to be able to make 100k in a day's worth of farming. I cant do that anymore. If i farm ecto, i dont make enough money to cover the entrance fee, especially if no ectos drop.

Nowadays when i farm, im farming for items since loot scaling kills your money drops. I dont sell those items. I farm them for my use.

The rich have to work harder to make money. The casual player just has to keep doing what they doing. But now, things are cheaper.

Judging from the effects of loot scaling, it looks like it was completely neccessary. Its significantly lowered prices of items that should be affordable to players in the first place.

Logic of the game? Where do all your arrows come from? Why is the Stone summit boss an ele when you fight him, but a warrior when he kills Rurik? Why dont insignias stack? How do NPCs stay alive in combat areas? Why does everyone hate the Salving Cactus?


Anet has free reign over EVERYTHING in the game to begin with. They could turn all characters into chickens tommorow and thats their right to.

While i do agree that bots can never be eliminated, loot scaling forces them to work more for the same amount of gold. This drive the REAL WORLD cost of gold up. It cuts their profits.

Meanwhile, human players can make money through partying. GG.


Lootscaling sure helps me. I can buy stuff for way less. The costs of ecto has plummeted, so that makes me happy too.

I can no longer make money through farming heavily. But i can still get money through partying.

It was annoying at first, but now that i see the benefits. ^_^