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bilateralrope

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Nov 2005

New Zealand

Xen Of Onslaught (Xen of the Pacific division)

29 Jun 2007 at 04:05 - 1

I just noticed that the scroll trader is selling Urgoz passage scrolls.

A guildmate confirmed that the trader will buy his FoW passage scroll. So it doesn't seem much of a stretch to assume that the trader will also handle deep and UW scrolls, once people sell enough to him. But if you can confirm this, please do.

Now how long will it take before a decent stock of them builds up so people stop trying to buy/sell them via chat ?

Bryant Again

Hall Hero

Join Date: Feb 2006

29 Jun 2007 at 04:12 - 2

Edit: Wow I totally misunderstood, my bad.

Feminist Terrorist

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Nov 2005

Oh Noes! The 'burbs!

29 Jun 2007 at 05:42 - 3

It's news to me, and good news, for once. Not enough to drag me back, but it's nice.

Arduin

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: May 2005

The Netherlands

Limburgse Jagers [LJ]

R/

29 Jun 2007 at 06:04 - 4

It's new to me too O.o And I agree, the addition of FoW and UW-scrolls definately would be convenient.

Rod Adams

Academy Page

Join Date: Oct 2006

29 Jun 2007 at 06:35 - 5

Sure the trader can handle UW/FoW scrolls... but the prices will have to climb a LOT before they will ever actually be in stock....

Miral

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Apr 2005

Hell. AKA Phoenix, AZ

The Gear Trick [GEAR]

W/A

29 Jun 2007 at 06:52 - 6

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rod Adams

Sure the trader can handle UW/FoW scrolls... but the prices will have to climb a LOT before they will ever actually be in stock....

o.O isn't the trader price determined based on how few the trader has? so how exactly does the price go up when you can't buy em? O.O I think its just that more need to be sold to the trader...

KamikazeChicken

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Aug 2005

Mo/

29 Jun 2007 at 07:48 - 7

Trader has FoW scrolls.... FoW are currently @ 1k to buy.

TideSwayer

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jul 2005

We Farm Your [?????????s]

29 Jun 2007 at 08:29 - 8

Scroll availability throughout the entire game is FUBARed IMO. Some merchants sell blues, other town merchants don't. For example, my guild hall merchant doesn't sell blue scrolls. LA doesn't sell blue scrolls either. Yohlon Haven's merchant does though. As you can see in the pic above, the RARE trader is selling COMMON blue scrolls. He doesn't buy them all though.

I don't know what ANet's intentions are for scroll availability throughout the world's towns/merchants/traders but it's something that needs to be made more consistent IMO. Pain in the butt trying to find a town that has a blue-scroll-selling merchant in it.

foo

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Feb 2006

Scars Meadows [SMS]

N/

29 Jun 2007 at 09:07 - 9

Quote:

Originally Posted by KamikazeChicken

Trader has FoW scrolls.... FoW are currently @ 1k to buy.

Yeah, and I just got an UW scroll for 1k.

I believe that we will see them there permanently in not more than a few days.

bilateralrope

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Nov 2005

New Zealand

Xen Of Onslaught (Xen of the Pacific division)

29 Jun 2007 at 09:47 - 10

Quote:

Originally Posted by Miral

o.O isn't the trader price determined based on how few the trader has? so how exactly does the price go up when you can't buy em? O.O I think its just that more need to be sold to the trader...

While I don't know exactly how the algorithm works, it does cause the price to increase when its out of stock. Personally I think it works by counting the number bought and sold, possibly over a time period.

But if the introduction of new runes (At factions release) is any indication, the price will rise until a stable stock is built up. From memory, this took over a month for jade and amber at the factions release. Until then you will see them being out of stock a lot of the time.

And the more people that know about it, the more people willing to accept a lower price for the convince of an instant sale to the trader. And the more people selling, the faster a stock can be built up. So spread the word.

Bryant Again, which update did this change come through on, since I don't remember seeing it in the update notes ?

viper008

Banned

Join Date: May 2005

29 Jun 2007 at 09:52 - 11

Nice, Now all we need is 2x or 3x faction scrolls since we have everything else.

beanerman_99

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Apr 2005

In the clouds

[Sage]

E/

29 Jun 2007 at 12:55 - 12

Well this is definitely news to me

I hardly visit the scroll traders so I have just missed this completely. And whats with that Lightbringer Scroll?? What does it do?

I must just play with blinders on cause I was oblivious to this.

Neo Nugget

Site Contributor

Join Date: Jan 2006

R/

29 Jun 2007 at 15:08 - 13

What i wanna know is why the first and third scrolls are 100g, then are 800g when you buy them lol. Also why is there a blue scroll in there?

Absinth187

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Sep 2005

32??45′26.49″N, 97??19′59.45″W

Some Like It Hot [sake]

29 Jun 2007 at 15:31 - 14

Quote:

Originally Posted by beanerman_99

Well this is definitely news to me

I hardly visit the scroll traders so I have just missed this completely. And whats with that Lightbringer Scroll?? What does it do?

I must just play with blinders on cause I was oblivious to this.

I had never seen it before either:

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Diddy bow

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Oct 2006

Jawsome!!!!!!!!!!!

looking for one :p

A/D

29 Jun 2007 at 15:47 - 15

They are from coffer of whispers

Onarik Amrak

Forge Runner

Join Date: Mar 2007

Astral Revenants

P/W

29 Jun 2007 at 21:19 - 16

LoL, I suppose it'll be more convenient.

Urgoz and Deep Scrolls are worthless anyway.

Psychic Watch

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jan 2007

29 Jun 2007 at 21:28 - 17

Anet, how about adding skill tomes to the list?

Swift Thief

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Feb 2007

Aatxe Pirates [YaRR]

A/

30 Jun 2007 at 00:28 - 18

Quote:

Originally Posted by Psychic Watch

Anet, how about adding skill tomes to the list?

That would be pointless. You can buy skills from skill trainers already.

jhu

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jun 2007

30 Jun 2007 at 02:39 - 19

Quote:

Originally Posted by Swift Thief

That would be pointless. You can buy skills from skill trainers already.

not elite ones

Turbo Wombat

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Nov 2005

Centeral Texas

Heros of Titans Realm

Me/

30 Jun 2007 at 02:58 - 20

Quote:

Originally Posted by bilateralrope

While I don't know exactly how the algorithm works, it does cause the price to increase when its out of stock. Personally I think it works by counting the number bought and sold, possibly over a time period.

For the most part, I'd say you're right. As stock decreases, prices go up and vice-versa. This variance is only limited by hard-capped high and low prices. One thing I have noticed,though, is that even when a merchant is 'overstocked' on an item and prices are rock-bottom, the price they pay for buy-ups is equal to the merchant value of the item. As it stands now, an individual can make much more by selling to a merchant than they can selling to the scroll trader.

If ANet wants to make the scroll trader even worth the effort, base prices are going to have to change somewhere.

bilateralrope

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Nov 2005

New Zealand

Xen Of Onslaught (Xen of the Pacific division)

30 Jun 2007 at 03:01 - 21

Quote:

Originally Posted by Swift Thief

That would be pointless. You can buy skills from skill trainers already.

Quote:

Originally Posted by jhu

not elite ones

And for normal skills it may be easier to use a normal tome instead of earning another skill point.

bilateralrope

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Nov 2005

New Zealand

Xen Of Onslaught (Xen of the Pacific division)

30 Jun 2007 at 03:09 - 22

Quote:

Originally Posted by Turbo Wombat

If ANet wants to make the scroll trader even worth the effort, base prices are going to have to change somewhere.

I've also noticed that with some items the price offered with request quote is higher than the last sale price. Sometimes by quite a lot. I've never actually seen the request quote price be lower than the merchant price. But for sup runes I have been offered about 40 gold, then I ID'd the rune (I already had ID'd the armor I got it from) and the price went up to about 200 gold.

Can you use an id kit on passage scrolls ?

So what are the current prices if you click request quote ?

But this is a problem with the traders whenever a new item is added. Its worse here because there already is an accepted market value.

Though we just need a few people who find trade chat annoying enough to just put up with the lower price, then some will be placed in stock. Once there are some in stock they will be bought up, rising the price closer to the market value, making more people willing to accept the price loss. Personally if I had any of those scrolls, I'd just dump them at the trader.

Croco Clouds

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Mar 2007

Montreal, QC, Canada

Divine Illumination [LaZy]

E/A

30 Jun 2007 at 03:27 - 23

It will be the best if they have a tome trader

LifeInfusion

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: May 2005

in the midline

E/Mo

30 Jun 2007 at 04:23 - 24

Quote:

Originally Posted by Turbo Wombat

If ANet wants to make the scroll trader even worth the effort, base prices are going to have to change somewhere.

This is precisely why there should not be a fully supply and demand system but one with floors and ceilings.

If posters will recall, non-popular runes are often more to the merchant (before salvage) in their armor form than to the rune trader.

Yawgmoth

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Apr 2005

30 Jun 2007 at 04:50 - 25

It doesn't matter what the "Last paid:" value says. Click view quote and he will offer you 500g per one scroll. It's a very old display bug, the same happens at rune trader all the time. The trader will always pay a minimum merchant item value, never less.

Racthoh

Did I hear 7 heroes?

Join Date: May 2005

Scars Meadows [SMS], Guild Leader (Not Recruiting)

30 Jun 2007 at 04:54 - 26

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yawgmoth

It doesn't matter what the "Last paid:" value says. Click view quote and he will offer you 500g per one scroll. It's a very old display bug, the same happens at rune trader all the time. The trader will always pay a minimum merchant item value, never less.

Indeed, I checked it myself to double-check and the trader offered me 500 gold for my UW and FoW scrolls.

HawkofStorms

Hall Hero

Join Date: Aug 2005

E/

30 Jun 2007 at 05:00 - 27

Quote:

Originally Posted by bilateralrope

I've also noticed that with some items the price offered with request quote is higher than the last sale price. Sometimes by quite a lot. I've never actually seen the request quote price be lower than the merchant price. But for sup runes I have been offered about 40 gold, then I ID'd the rune (I already had ID'd the armor I got it from) and the price went up to about 200 gold.

This is done intentionally to prevent easy speculating in prices. If you could buy something worth 200g at the merchant for 200g at the trader you could use it for investing (if the price EVER increased you would instantly have profit, and since you can sell it to the merchant to get your money back you'd have no risk in this investment).
The only way to prevent this kind of speculating is to force the buy price to be double the merchant value at all times or to cause the sell price to be half what it's supposed to be.

Wacky

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Feb 2006

Trans Tasman Alliance [TTA]

Me/

02 Jul 2007 at 04:56 - 28

What's wrong with speculating anyway? Would add an extra dimension to the game. If people are speculating on the stock market all the time, why not in gw as well?

Levi Garett

Old School Nub

Join Date: Jun 2005

ABQ, NM

Guildless

Mo/Me

02 Jul 2007 at 15:07 - 29

Trader buy price for FoW/UW scrolls should be 1k at a minimum.

It's 1k for entrance to FoW/UW when you have favor. The idea behind the scrolls is to gain entrance when you don't have favor. Getting into FoW/UW when you don't have favor should cost more than 1k IMHO.

Sell price should be 1.5-2k, buy price should be 1k.

Coridan

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jun 2006

US

Old Married Gamers {OMG}

W/

02 Jul 2007 at 17:10 - 30

I agree with Levi Fix the price or give it a minimum value of the entry fee to either place.

HawkofStorms

Hall Hero

Join Date: Aug 2005

E/

02 Jul 2007 at 19:29 - 31

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wacky

What's wrong with speculating anyway? Would add an extra dimension to the game. If people are speculating on the stock market all the time, why not in gw as well?

People do that already with ecto, diamonds, etc. The reason that works is because there is a chance that those people will LOSE money. But if you buy 1000 of an item at their base value from a trader (ie you buy it for 500g and can sell it at 500g to the merchant) your guaranteed to make money (or at least never lose any). That would be bad.

bilateralrope

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Nov 2005

New Zealand

Xen Of Onslaught (Xen of the Pacific division)

02 Jul 2007 at 23:42 - 32

Quote:

Originally Posted by Levi Garett

Trader buy price for FoW/UW scrolls should be 1k at a minimum.

It's 1k for entrance to FoW/UW when you have favor. The idea behind the scrolls is to gain entrance when you don't have favor. Getting into FoW/UW when you don't have favor should cost more than 1k IMHO.

Sell price should be 1.5-2k, buy price should be 1k.

The price at which you can buy scrolls from the trader isn't likely to dip below 1k on its own because when it does people will buy scrolls instead of using statues when they have favor. This will force the price back up to over 1k again.

Quote:

Originally Posted by HawkofStorms

People do that already with ecto, diamonds, etc. The reason that works is because there is a chance that those people will LOSE money. But if you buy 1000 of an item at their base value from a trader (ie you buy it for 500g and can sell it at 500g to the merchant) your guaranteed to make money (or at least never lose any). That would be bad.

??
Where can you buy an item from the trader at its merchant value ?

Evilsod

Banned

Join Date: Mar 2006

England

Lievs Death Squad [LDS]

02 Jul 2007 at 23:53 - 33

People have survived by skill trainers and cap signets for a while. Tomes save you money, go out and find the RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing things or you might aswell just delete skill trainers from the game since nobody will use them anymore.

Why is the price of the scrolls not nearer 2k? Its a free entrance to FoW/UW without the favour... if your going to give all the scroll traders scrolls at 1k each just make FoW/UW entry available all the time and get it over with and stop wasting our time with these pathetic updates that have no use...

bilateralrope

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Nov 2005

New Zealand

Xen Of Onslaught (Xen of the Pacific division)

03 Jul 2007 at 01:54 - 34

Quote:

Originally Posted by Evilsod

People have survived by skill trainers and cap signets for a while. Tomes save you money, go out and find the RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing things or you might aswell just delete skill trainers from the game since nobody will use them anymore.

Except that the skill tomes will cost more than the skill trainers. A tome trader is mainly a convenience for people wanting to sell the tomes they have acquired if they hate using the trade chat.

Quote:

Why is the price of the scrolls not nearer 2k? Its a free entrance to FoW/UW without the favour... if your going to give all the scroll traders scrolls at 1k each just make FoW/UW entry available all the time and get it over with and stop wasting our time with these pathetic updates that have no use...

The point of the traders is to let the market decide the items value, and to make trading that item quicker and easier (just imagine trying to get runes without the rune trader). Once the trader has built up a decent stockpile I don't expect that there will be many people looking to buy or sell passage scrolls via the trade chat.

And as for wasting time they could be using elsewhere, the bulk of the trader code already exists. So I'm assuming that all that was needed was to copy the code, link it to another item, then link it to the scroll traders.