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pumpkin pie

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jul 2006

behind you

bumble bee

E/

05 Jul 2007 at 10:22 - 1

May we please please have a map outlined which the player can turn on and off like ctrl+H. This outline will overlays the Map so that it is easier to know which part of the map that the characters had not explored.

I have been looking for the remainder of my 3.2% of unexplored Tyria map for 5 months now, I have gone to all map many times, wall hug them during that duration to no avail. Please its driving me crazy. sometime you go to an area and realize that 0.1% is not explored, this type of minor detail is very hard to catch from looking at map already posted by players who have completed the task, I have downloaded them all, frankly one still can't see where the differences are with only 3.2% left. I dread the idea of having to check all the map one more time. Its suppose to be fun not a burden, which its going to become if I don't find the 3.2% soon.

Or another better thing is a special "highlight" for player who have reach 95% or map explored, the remaining unexplored 5% will be highlighted for you.

The last options is when you've reach 95% you automatically get 100%

this would be best.

Thank you very much.

MudBone

Academy Page

Join Date: Jul 2006

Citadel of Immortals

R/Mo

05 Jul 2007 at 11:28 - 2

/signed
I like this idea as well, after having beat all 3 campaigns I still have between 3 and 10% still unexplored and can't find remaing areas for the life of me.

MagmaRed

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Mar 2007

Our Crabs Know True [LOVE]

R/

05 Jul 2007 at 21:53 - 3

/unsigned - but would sign a similar idea.

Right now I have GMC on Cantha, and 99.4% Elona, 98.8% Tyria. I know the frustrations well. However, what you are asking for is a MAJOR addition to the game. Once which would take considerable time and money to do. A similar and easier method might be:

Post a percentage explored next to each explorable area's name. This way, if you get to 99.9% and need to know where the last 0.1% is at, you can look at your map. The name of the explorable zone would say:

Kessex Peak (99.9%) while other areas would say things like Pockmark Flats (100%). Although you don't know WHERE in Kessex Peak you are missing a part, you know which zone to scour again.

/sign for help with mapping

KlutzySpy

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jun 2006

Denmark

Venatus Una

N/Rt

05 Jul 2007 at 22:26 - 4

I would love it to say if a area was completely explored, so you know where to go

JeniM

Desert Nomad

Join Date: May 2007

W/E

05 Jul 2007 at 22:38 - 5

Quote:

Originally Posted by MagmaRed

/unsigned - but would sign a similar idea.

Right now I have GMC on Cantha, and 99.4% Elona, 98.8% Tyria. I know the frustrations well. However, what you are asking for is a MAJOR addition to the game. Once which would take considerable time and money to do. A similar and easier method might be:

Post a percentage explored next to each explorable area's name. This way, if you get to 99.9% and need to know where the last 0.1% is at, you can look at your map. The name of the explorable zone would say:

Kessex Peak (99.9%) while other areas would say things like Pockmark Flats (100%). Although you don't know WHERE in Kessex Peak you are missing a part, you know which zone to scour again.

/sign for help with mapping

As long as it says it like the Vanquished icons i have no objection though i do feel the OP's idea is a very large implement

Dougal Kronik

Forge Runner

Join Date: Aug 2005

Ontario, Canada

Glengarry Fencibles

R/

05 Jul 2007 at 22:44 - 6

/not signed

If you need that much help, you don't deserve the title.

MudBone

Academy Page

Join Date: Jul 2006

Citadel of Immortals

R/Mo

05 Jul 2007 at 23:27 - 7

Quote:

Originally Posted by MagmaRed

/unsigned - but would sign a similar idea.

Right now I have GMC on Cantha, and 99.4% Elona, 98.8% Tyria. I know the frustrations well. However, what you are asking for is a MAJOR addition to the game. Once which would take considerable time and money to do. A similar and easier method might be:

Post a percentage explored next to each explorable area's name. This way, if you get to 99.9% and need to know where the last 0.1% is at, you can look at your map. The name of the explorable zone would say:

Kessex Peak (99.9%) while other areas would say things like Pockmark Flats (100%). Although you don't know WHERE in Kessex Peak you are missing a part, you know which zone to scour again.

/sign for help with mapping

I actually like the idea underlined over the OPs proposal, so, I would have to forfeit my original signing and sign to this proposal.

/signed on this idea instead

pumpkin pie

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jul 2006

behind you

bumble bee

E/

06 Jul 2007 at 01:40 - 8

Quote:

Originally Posted by MagmaRed

/unsigned - but would sign a similar idea.

Right now I have GMC on Cantha, and 99.4% Elona, 98.8% Tyria. I know the frustrations well. However, what you are asking for is a MAJOR addition to the game. Once which would take considerable time and money to do. A similar and easier method might be:

Post a percentage explored next to each explorable area's name. This way, if you get to 99.9% and need to know where the last 0.1% is at, you can look at your map. The name of the explorable zone would say:

Kessex Peak (99.9%) while other areas would say things like Pockmark Flats (100%). Although you don't know WHERE in Kessex Peak you are missing a part, you know which zone to scour again.

/sign for help with mapping

/signed

I think your idea is better, an icon saying that the area is 100% explored.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dougal Kronik

/not signed

If you need that much help, you don't deserve the title.

Yeah right, now, let me ask you, how many Cantha, Tyria, Elona Legendary cartographer do you have? I have 3 characters that has them, because these character I started from after title were implemented, hence I know to explored all area in organized fashion and not have to go back to look for them, I am having trouble with characters that already exist back when TITLE were not implemented, and the map are not explored in organised fashion so ...

Skye Marin

Jungle Guide

Join Date: May 2006

The Seraphim Knights [TSK]

E/A

06 Jul 2007 at 02:30 - 9

This isn't nearly as easy as it seems.

Case in point, I have a map of Elona that came with the collector's edition. Here is a scan of one part of the map. This map is actually the fully displayed version, even with areas that are absolutely inaccessible by any means in PvE. That's the real map the the game uses to calculate the %. Your % leeway is actually much larger because the system actually has tons of area that simply can't be mapped.

And here is my map, on a 100% completed character of the same area:

You'll notice some pretty clear differences here, especially on the northeast part, with the looping ravines. Now, if a difference function was implemented, those areas would be lit up, and you'd run a character there only to find nothing. Those areas simply can't be mapped, whatsoever.

In theory, they could fix the grid system so that these areas wouldn't be accounted, but that's a crapton of work that would only make some title easier to obtain. Even an individual percentage system wouldn't work, because then you have to define the leeway % on every area, and there are well over 40 in Prophecies.

Basically, it's not going to happen.

the_jos

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jun 2006

Hard Mode Legion [HML]

N/

06 Jul 2007 at 06:52 - 10

Besides it's hard to change this in the game, there is also no real need for it.

First of all, when done right, you walk in an area, totally explore it and then leave it. That's just a matter of hugging the walls, keeping track of where you have been and making sure you hit every spot (don't forget the center).
Don't enter an area you can't fully explore in time, when you still want to do this keep very good track of progress.
You just have to start exploring (thorough) early, something many people fail to do!

Second, it's not that hard to compare a 100% map to your map. 100% maps can be found here on guru.
Thirth, people help comparing maps on guru: http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s....php?t=3021985 (Tyrian maps)
Fourth: For Tyria there is a thread with frequently missed spots (it's mine): http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10160387
I know a similar thread excists for Cantha.

I know getting GMC is hard, but with the available community resources, there is no need for any ingame feature that makes things easier.
After all, it's 'your' mistake you underestimated the need for thorough exploration.

pumpkin pie

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jul 2006

behind you

bumble bee

E/

06 Jul 2007 at 07:25 - 11

Grand Master Carthographer I already have, I want Legendary :P beside please read the thread before spamming with your cloudy map. I've said I downloaded all possible maps, wall hugs all maps many many times, and if you read the thread you'll also know my problem isn't with a newly created character after the title was implemented, its a character, my first character in fact that has problem with the map, because its 0.1% scattered all over Tyria. to tell the truth I do not just wall hug, I would kill everything on the map no-prisoners! criss cross the map up and down back and forth north and south, east and west, so do not tell me I am not thorough.

cosyfiep

are we there yet?

Join Date: Dec 2005

in a land far far away

guild? I am supposed to have a guild?

Rt/

22 Oct 2007 at 02:53 - 12

/signed for some kind of way to show what we have missed (other than what % is left unexplored total).

I for one am not capable of looking at 2 maps side by side or flipping them back and forth to see the difference, I am partially blind and I dont have depth perception so it makes things that much more difficult. My eye sight impedes me from finding that last .6% with any kind of speed, acuracy etc.....and because of this I dont DESERVE a title?????

I have put in my time hugging walls so much that even the henchies dont want to play with me anymore! (oh great here comes that wall hugging monk....do we have to kiss every wall in elonia now too????).
I just plug away a bit at a time, though I would really like to know where I am missing that last bit instead of redoing all 33 explorable areas of cantha plus 13 missions etc.....even just which area would be a great help for me!

Onarik Amrak

Forge Runner

Join Date: Mar 2007

Astral Revenants

P/W

22 Oct 2007 at 03:54 - 13

Nice resurrect. Just use texmod. Cartography Made Easy.

MMSDome

Raged Out

Join Date: Sep 2005

22 Oct 2007 at 04:10 - 14

/notsigned

download a mod and get it that way. People have also gotten it in the past, you can to.

MirkoTeran

Forge Runner

Join Date: Sep 2005

Slovenia

Scars Meadows [SMS]

Mo/

22 Oct 2007 at 05:28 - 15

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dougal Kronik

/not signed

If you need that much help, you don't deserve the title.

QFT

..........

cosyfiep

are we there yet?

Join Date: Dec 2005

in a land far far away

guild? I am supposed to have a guild?

Rt/

22 Oct 2007 at 05:37 - 16

no can do textmod......

Zahr Dalsk

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Aug 2007

Canada

22 Oct 2007 at 06:29 - 17

/not signed

Texmod. Download it and use it. Map areas. Done.

Witchblade

Polar Bear Attendant

Join Date: May 2005

22 Oct 2007 at 06:47 - 18

+1, use texmod if you're having trouble, soooo easy to get the missing %

Arya Littlefinger

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: May 2007

Shatners New Order of Borealis

Mo/

22 Oct 2007 at 15:35 - 19

/notsigned

It's easy enough to do this yourself using photoshop or Gimp.

Nemo the Capitalist

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Aug 2006

Trust me you dont want to know my Chasms of Despair

Zaishen Brotherhood

N/Me

22 Oct 2007 at 15:50 - 20

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dougal Kronik

/not signed

If you need that much help, you don't deserve the title.

isn't that a tad mean i mean
its kinda like the people that dont like current legendary surivors they didnt waste as much time ggetting the master title?

Star Gazer

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Nov 2005

Zerohour Enterprises [ZHE]

W/

22 Oct 2007 at 15:52 - 21

/notsigned for laziness

cosyfiep

are we there yet?

Join Date: Dec 2005

in a land far far away

guild? I am supposed to have a guild?

Rt/

22 Oct 2007 at 20:14 - 22

cant use text mod.....it DOESNT WORK ON MY COMPUTER.

and I am not lazy (with over 4000 hours played--not afk, I think not).

HawkofStorms

Hall Hero

Join Date: Aug 2005

E/

22 Oct 2007 at 20:44 - 23

/signed

You should not have to use an outside program to acheive an accomplishment in game. That's like saying you can ONLY play GvG if you have vent/ts. Is it beneficial? Sure. Should people who don't have it be prevented from playing PvP? No.

It's pretty much impossible to get 100% exploration without some sort of outside program.

freekedoutfish

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jun 2006

E/

22 Oct 2007 at 20:49 - 24

You dont need it, it can be done. Myself and countless others have been there and had to endure the exploration. We all know how frustrated you are, but.... it can be done.

Sorry!

Despite the fact there is a mod now for the game to make exploration easier too.

Star Gazer

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Nov 2005

Zerohour Enterprises [ZHE]

W/

22 Oct 2007 at 20:57 - 25

Quote:

Originally Posted by cosyfiep

cant use text mod.....it DOESNT WORK ON MY COMPUTER.

and I am not lazy (with over 4000 hours played--not afk, I think not).

first, caps make you look noobish. please dont use them
second, time played does NOT mean you are not lazy.
third, I did all 3 maps without text mod..and only a SMALL (meaning <1% gained) from map comparisons. I say people have gotten spoiled/lazy in doing this title. It is not that hard....you scrape the edges for christs sake. and yes, you are lazy if you need a mod/unwilling to do it yourself. kthx

Quote:

Originally Posted by HawkofStorms

It's pretty much impossible to get 100% exploration without some sort of outside program.

lolwut? i did all three without textmod

roflcopter2445

Academy Page

Join Date: Jul 2007

Reston, VA

Citadel Of Faith [LaZy]

W/A

22 Oct 2007 at 22:09 - 26

maybe they could put in a percentage bar, kinda like the red vanquisher icon, except make it show how much more of the map in the area you are in is left to explore.......maybe?

/signed

HawkofStorms

Hall Hero

Join Date: Aug 2005

E/

22 Oct 2007 at 22:34 - 27

Quote:

Originally Posted by Star Gazer

first, caps make you look noobish. please dont use them
second, time played does NOT mean you are not lazy.
third, I did all 3 maps without text mod..and only a SMALL (meaning <1% gained) from map comparisons. I say people have gotten spoiled/lazy in doing this title. It is not that hard....you scrape the edges for christs sake. and yes, you are lazy if you need a mod/unwilling to do it yourself. kthx

lolwut? i did all three without textmod

I'm not just talking about textmod. Map comparison (by quickly switching between your game's screenshots and those of a completed map) is STILL USING an outside source/program to achieve the title.

Solas

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Oct 2006

Ireland

Currently LF Active HA Guild, Glad 2, Comm.3, R2

E/

22 Oct 2007 at 22:40 - 28

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dougal Kronik

/not signed

If you need that much help, you don't deserve the title.

So people deserve this title more if they spend ages comparing it to maps form the web? (not saying you did just i'd guess the vasy majority did it this way)

rather then an in-game method of attaining an in-game title?

im sure many gw gamers would prefere not to use a mod in GW(altho nj to the lads that made the map mod,i've heard good things about it,i'm still hoping for an in-game method tho,call me old fashioned:P)

cosyfiep

are we there yet?

Join Date: Dec 2005

in a land far far away

guild? I am supposed to have a guild?

Rt/

23 Oct 2007 at 00:15 - 29

Quote:

Originally Posted by Star Gazer

first, caps make you look noobish. please dont use them
second, time played does NOT mean you are not lazy.
third, I did all 3 maps without text mod..and only a SMALL (meaning <1% gained) from map comparisons. I say people have gotten spoiled/lazy in doing this title. It is not that hard....you scrape the edges for christs sake. and yes, you are lazy if you need a mod/unwilling to do it yourself. kthx

lolwut? i did all three without textmod

I used caps since people seem to have even worse eye site than mine! (if I am a noob then so be it, I really dont care what name you wish to call me as I am old enough to not care about name calling....thats very elementary schoolish to me. If I wish to use capitals that is my style and my decision you dont have to agree with it, but understand that not everyone will do things to please you). and GOOD FOR YOU for doing it the old fashioned way, I am happy for you and that there are people who can do it that way.

I have a few characters with 100% of tyria and cantha already....there was no text mod or even people helping others when I started that 2 years ago (my monk liked exploring when I made him, and when the titles started he was well over 90% already). I havent used any outside programs and only asked for help with one toon back when some nice guru people did this for thanks instead of ingame gold.
The gripe I have is not with text mod, its that people seem to think that it IS the only way now to get these titles....its not. My gripe is that this is the only title that you are left out in the cold as to how to get it when you have 99.8% and have hugged and kissed every wall in the whole continent enough times for the walls to think you are querr! And that there are areas that are not the norm to run thru (take the area in the north shiverpeaks mission where you need to get on the other road to get that last .%).....
and I am not really capable to switching between maps and comparing, I am blind in one eye and the other needs glasses to see 20/40 at best....just because I want a title that doesnt require me to buy tons of stuff (like the sweet tooth or wisdom) or rinse and repeat killing the same mobs over and over again (ss and lb) means I am lazy??????? Almost none of the titles require skill (expect maybe survivor but lazy people have found the way around that one as well, for the record mine didnt use ANY (for emphasis) scrolls to get theirs), though cartographer is one of the few that any one can get reguardless of how good they are at killing stuff or buying and selling. You have to physically go to all the spots, its not a title for lazy people.

CHunterX

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Sep 2005

Washington

W/E

23 Oct 2007 at 10:57 - 30

I wouldn't mind a little % map-completion under each zones name. If you are having this much trouble with finishing cartography, I suggest looking into Texmod. Heres a link to the Official wiki explaining the program, including a link to download it and player-made mods, a direct link to the map mods themselves, and a Sample of the Cartography Made Easy, so you can quickly see if this is what you are suggesting:
Offical Wiki link on Texmod: http://www.wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Texmod
Player-based UI mods: http://www.wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/G...I_Enhancements
Cartography Made Easy: http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/2592/gw004jj1.jpg

HawkofStorms

Hall Hero

Join Date: Aug 2005

E/

23 Oct 2007 at 18:28 - 31

Hmm yeah, but when I try to install texmod, my virus scanner stops me and warns me that it contains a trojan virus.

Dropper

Academy Page

Join Date: Dec 2006

23 Oct 2007 at 18:57 - 32

I'm so sick of lazy people. Yes. Lazy. The GMC titles are EASY! If you do it correctly, you don't have to visit any area twice (except couple of missions). EVER.

You can only blame yourself if you just run through the areas and not hug the walls good enough. You do not need any exploits for any of the continents. And you don't need any special methods to get them, either (textmod, for example).

This has been discussed to many times it makes my face asplode. For the last time: Yes, the GMC titles are for grinders, and yes, it should be that way. No point in making something easier in an already easy game.

HawkofStorms

Hall Hero

Join Date: Aug 2005

E/

23 Oct 2007 at 20:05 - 33

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dropper

I'm so sick of lazy people. Yes. Lazy. The GMC titles are EASY! If you do it correctly, you don't have to visit any area twice (except couple of missions). EVER.

You can only blame yourself if you just run through the areas and not hug the walls good enough. You do not need any exploits for any of the continents. And you don't need any special methods to get them, either (textmod, for example).

This has been discussed to many times it makes my face asplode. For the last time: Yes, the GMC titles are for grinders, and yes, it should be that way. No point in making something easier in an already easy game.

I love how you say the title is easy. And then say immidiately afterwards that it is not, and only meant for grinders. Good contradiction there.

Insulting people who disagree with your point of view by calling them lazy is not a way to win someone over.

cosyfiep

are we there yet?

Join Date: Dec 2005

in a land far far away

guild? I am supposed to have a guild?

Rt/

23 Oct 2007 at 20:37 - 34

cant use text mod....please read previous posts before suggesting it, yet again.........

Star Gazer

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Nov 2005

Zerohour Enterprises [ZHE]

W/

23 Oct 2007 at 20:44 - 35

you dont need text for the last time.

I used map comparison for <1% on cantha. please forgive me, ill take the hit.

honestly, you guys are lazy. do a zone, hug the wall. do a zone, hug the wall. period. thats all this title is. if you cannot get it then maybe you do not deserve it eh?

Tyla

Emo Goth Italics

Join Date: Sep 2006

23 Oct 2007 at 21:25 - 36

Quote:

Originally Posted by MagmaRed

/unsigned - but would sign a similar idea.

Right now I have GMC on Cantha, and 99.4% Elona, 98.8% Tyria. I know the frustrations well. However, what you are asking for is a MAJOR addition to the game. Once which would take considerable time and money to do. A similar and easier method might be:

Post a percentage explored next to each explorable area's name. This way, if you get to 99.9% and need to know where the last 0.1% is at, you can look at your map. The name of the explorable zone would say:

Kessex Peak (99.9%) while other areas would say things like Pockmark Flats (100%). Although you don't know WHERE in Kessex Peak you are missing a part, you know which zone to scour again.

/sign for help with mapping

/signed on this one:P

The Little Viking

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Mar 2006

innergalactic gargleblasters

W/Mo

23 Oct 2007 at 22:27 - 37

/signed
I would love to be able to get the 3.6% needed in both factions and nightfall. Srange how this is the number needed in both. Prophesies was easy, but im still stuck on the ohter 2. have been for months.

angryKid

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Sep 2007

Outside any logic.

24 Oct 2007 at 07:07 - 38

/not signed

That entirely murders the whole idea behind the cartographer title. Everyone with enough time on their hands can go to 90-95%, this is the last bit that actually makes it hard. And with TexMod, forums, fully uncovered maps on the inet and photoshop this is just a proof of your laziness mister.

Hyper.nl

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Oct 2006

Defending Fort Aspenwood

E/

24 Oct 2007 at 08:42 - 39

We already have full maps to view at the forums, and if you want it really easy you can use the cartography mod.

odly

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jan 2006

N/

24 Oct 2007 at 09:36 - 40

/signed

Most people carthographing are using texmod these days, with Anet's blessing.
It would be better if we had an in-game solution to do this, so we don't have to trust some 3th party soft. You never know for sure about those Trojans, Keyloggers, etc ...