Unhappy with idea of GW2.

Wow, people really don't get the point. Take things too dang literal why don't you. "Work" is a relative term. ANY and EVERY game out there, no matter how fun, takes WORK to get good at. Tiger Woods, Babe Ruth, etc etc etc all WORKed hard to get to where they were.

This is the equivalent of getting to be a top baseball player, only to have the league come along and tell you that you are now a tennis player.

And I'm sorry, but BC did not force you to "restart" anything in WoW. It did not render your lvl 60 completely worthless. IT was a simple continuation from 60 to the new max of 70. Nothing more, nothing less.

If I didn't love GW and find it extremely enjoyable to PLAY, then it wouldn't upset me that they are throwing it all out the window.

It would be just as effective for them to progress the content in the current GW as they originally planned, while fixing design flaws in the current game.

2 years of fun gaming for less then $130. Seems fair to me.

What you're referring to is continuity, not persistence.

Dictionary.com:Persistent

My guess would be #3 when using the term "persistent world". Explains re-spawns, repeatable quests, and a constant, unchanging storyline despite how many times people "conquer" it. A persistent world is a free-flowing (no or few load zones) world that never changes, but may contain random elements in order to make it interesting.

Very surprised when I read that there's no migration from GW1 to 2, but read some more and it should be great. Might get Wow-ish, but GW style. So, it should be

Still neutral w/ the info about GW2 and it is still a long time for it.

Found this Gaile quote interesting and made me /ponder.

The whole idea of how the Hall of Monuments is going to be used sounds very nice.

My only question relating to it is, since GW will still be playable after GW2 is released, will the new/continuous things that we accomplish in GW have a real-time sync (or "inheritance") with the GW2 characters that we have/make?

(ie. linking GW charac to GW2 charac and everytime we complete something new in GW will it change the Hall of Mouments w/ our GW2 at the same time.)

???dun dun dun??? Gaile if you could speculate or address this. /fenx.

BC for WoW was an expansion

If you could move your characters from GW1 to GW2 then it would be an expansion.

The problem with progressing as they have planned is they are limited to what they can do. There is only so much you can do with it until you just need to make a new game. Look at the current 3 campaigns. Same machine, different skin. Do we really need an endless supply of the same game?

I find Final Fantasy Tactics extremely enjoyable to play, but I wasn't upset when I couldn't use my characters in FFX. That is just how it is. You have to progress what you are offering. You can't just make one good game and ride it out for 10-20 years without changing it.

Last time I checked being a pro player was a job. sure they have fun, but its also their means of making money.

Guild wars is a game for entertainment. Besides IF you are the top player does it mater what your character has? getting stuff isnt really work, and if you think it is, maybe you need to step away from the game and look at life.

It is YOU who do not get the point

Edit: also I find it funny that you think it work for them to edit the current game rather then make a new one. if they made the changes they wanted, then the game would beso diffrent it wouldnt be the game we have been playing. Ever hear of Star wars galaxies. that design team decided to redesign the game after it was out, and the game is all but dead now because of player revolt.

You can't possibly know that. You don't know all the intricacies of their current engine. Some of the design flaws in the current game may not be able to be fixed. Which is possibly why they decided it would be best to create a new engine to fix these problems.

Also, their current business plan of releasing a new standalone campaign every six months was getting stale. Having to create tutorial areas for each game, spreading the players out across three continents, not to mention the problem with PvE being affected by PvP (although I don't personally have as much of a problem with this as some of the users of this forum, I still see why it would be better to seperate them). All these problems were making the game stale. The developers couldn't think where they wanted the current game to go, so they decided to create a new game to fix all the problems in the current one.

No, it's a game, just like almost any other game. Did Final Fantasy 1 carry over to 2? No. Diablo to Diablo 2? No. Morrowind to Oblivion? No. They're all games, like Guild Wars. And they all are going waste your time by not carrying over, just like most other games.

One word: Expansion. It's not a new game, you should know this if you've played almost any other series. It's an expansion.

Again, this happens with almost any other game series, not to mention real life. It happens, you have to deal with it.

It's a new game, meaning new content. Not a remake. This isn't the automotive industry where you can just redesign a few details and throw it out into the market and still make decent sales.

Aw man, we're going down this road *again?*

It's already been stated, and pretty much everything I was going to say after I read your first post has already been answered. It's not the same game.

Not so simple, because, as I stated I want the armor I have now only unmodified. I doubt very seriously they would incorporate the ability to replicate in looks the Primeval armor my R/Mo has.

OMG VALVE I FINISHED HALF LIFE WTIH TEH UBAR GUN OF OWNING AND I START OUT HL2 WITH A PISTOL?! WTF M8?! ^^;

Same thing, except one is an MMO, another an FPS. It's a new game, people. A new game. That means it's different. I just don't get why people get so upset over it. Would you feel the same way if Anet said "we're closing down GW so that we can move onto a different project"? You've had over a year of fun, or at least, I hope you have.

If you feel like you've wasted your time, you were obviously playing the game for the wrong reasons. You play games to enjoy yourself, not to boost your ego (I wish I could use a different word here).

If there's something that you don't want to lose (in this case your time), don't give it to someone else.

Starting over is one of the few things about GW2 that doesn't bother me at all. Lack of instancing in all exploration areas, now there's something to be unhappy about.

There will be instanced areas. its been said in many articles. they will probably will be close to what we have now, while persistant areas will be for events and other comunnity pve stuff.

The one feature that I am totally psyched for is the 'immortalization' of your GW1 characters. PvE storyline finally done right. I'm actually continuing the game with the 'descendant' of my hero.

Mega Man: Wow Dr. Light, look at all these weapons I got! I should keep them for the next game!

Dr. Light: What's the fun in that?

Okay, even if you play for like 3000h, max out all titles, collect all greens, get all sets of elite armour, including FoW, cap all skills, have four mules worth of stacks of ectos ...

STILL

you don't have an advantage over a guy that played maybe 20h, has no titles, no greens, just a collector weapon, has droks armour, enough skills for maybe two decent builds he knows and likes to play, and hasn't seen an ecto in his entire gaming experience.

That's just in GW1.

So why, o why the frell should you have advantage over some dude in GW2?

Why play the game at all?

Personally I do it for fun, and will continue to title-hunt either until GW:2 comes out or I get bored of GW:EN. I'm going to play a game, and there's no point in me buying a new game while this one is still entertaining me. I'm looking forward to starting afresh in GW:2...and so long as I can take my character names with me, which apparently I can, it's all good.

If you don't want to "waste" your time on your current characters then don't...go play another game until GW:2 comes out. But what happens when GW:2 has been out a year or so and they announce GW:3? Will you stop playing then again? It all seems like a massive overreaction to me.

Either play the game and enjoy it for what it is or don't play and bask in the fact you wont be "wasting your time"...it's a simple enough choice.

QFT! (Except my version is in £s)

If you are so worried that you've "wasted" your time playing GW cause of GW2...

Why play at all? Hell why breath, eat, have friends, get a job etc. Your just going to die eventually anyway

The reason to keep playing and to get titles is if it is FUN to you. If not, DONT. Games are for fun, that's it. If you think you won't have fun in GW2 because you dont have any of your expensive stuff, sorry, but thats how the sequels to every other game works.

I think one thing that GW1 can bring over to GW2 should be their character names. I don't think it would be wise to let another player using someones character name even if it will be a seperate game,


there should be a time frame where players get to set up an account to reserve their GW1 character name once GW2 is launch, like if you sign up using your GW1 login name and password and all your GW1 character name will be yours to use, after said time frame, if you don't use the existing name they will be available to other players.

2 more years, that's 4 more expansions, or 5, if you start counting after GW:EN, that's exactly how long Guildwars 1 has been out, your only half way!
So don't worry about it not meaning anything soon.

thats already been confirmed as happening


and you realise how much bitchign that would start? nah, its simple, just use the same account for GW2 as you do for GW1, easy

I think the whole new start is a good thing. For me I enjoyed it more when i first started playing, before I knew the game inside out, when phoenix seemed like an awesome skill and i didnt know about the u map.

1) You get to transfer titles and weapon(s).

2) Just because you spent a stupid amount of money buying extra character slots for GW1, you want to winge about GW2?

I dont see the connection.

Are you expecting Anet to transfer all those character slots to GW2? How many more people need to realise this is an entirely different game.

If you were daft enough to spend loads of money on character slots, that your daft fault. But GW2 isnt going to be out for another 2 or 3 years, so why are you bothered?

And what relivance will GW1 titles have on GW2? the titles are bound to be completely different. You transfer them over purely for athetic reasons. Their not going to have any benefit.

Even if you trasnfer a weapon over, it might be badly under-powered compared to newer GW2 weapons. Their are bound to be better weapons in the sequal.

Im looking forward to a new start and having everyone be on equal footing. A new race to be the bet character. No advantages over anyone!

Good thing you're not paranoid.

You should collect whatever you want because you want to collect it? Its a game and for some collecting titles is fun, others collect greens etc.
Besides, the Monument will allow you to get some benefit from your titles in GW2 which is quite generous of Anet, I'd say.

Why? Ask yourself that question, not us, you're the one who apparently needs to hoard stuff so badly you need to pay real money just to store your game items

Um...GW2 is a year or longer away and very, very little of it has been confirmed except some basics, all you are doing with this 'rant' is making a fool of yourself. All your stuff is usuable in the game you acquired it in, GW1, dont whine if its not usuable in GW2 which is a totally seperate game from GW1

I havent lost anything and I wont lose anything and nor will you. Whats there to discuss?

Some people just don't get it.

How can you make those assumptions on a game 2 years from release. We have had only a broad description of what it will encompass. I am going to wait before I make any judgments on GW2. I also will definitely be buying it and I will still have GW to play also, I will have lost nothing and gained a new addiction, win/win.

Titles, yes.

Weapons, not sure. (unless this has been confirmed and I missed it)....

I was always under the impression that titles were transferrable, names remained reserved for an unspecified period of time, and the titles unlocked various weapons and armor etc.. in GW:2 but weapons and amor etc.. from GW:1 can not be taken across. For one thing, how do we even know there will be such a thing as a "Marksmanship" attribute in GW:2... (example only)

IF weapons can be carried over (huge if); I'd think it would be skins only, not stats.

But I have no idea how that would work. I think the scenario of Titles unlocking new weapons in GW2 is much more likely.

It sounds like the OP wants another expansion and not a new game. You say you enjoy the game, but you keep referring to it as work. I'm assuming you had fun getting your titles. And perhaps, for you, that title represents the fun you had getting there.

But consider this, GW2 gives you the opportunity to get all new titles and enjoy having fun while reaching them.

I just got my Protector of Tyria title yesterday. I'm quite proud of it. And I had a blast getting there! But at the same time, I'm looking forward to reincarnating Larqh for GW2. A whole new world to conquer with new skills, armor and weapons! I'm really excited about it. ^_^

Insofarasmuch as the development of a persistent character was part of the appeal of playing GW, you ought to quit GW. There arnt any new expansions coming after GWEN either. So, once you beat GWEN: you've seen all of the content and you've developed your character as much as you need to to beat all the content. Its almost time to move on.

If its not fun for you to do so, you shouldnt.

I bought a total of FOURTEEN extra slots on my accounts. Thats $140 of just character slots. I bought them at a time when Gaile was posting on forums about how they would bring us expansion content every 6 months or so. Basically I feel ripped off right now, as I bought them with different expectations than GW will deliver. No I wouldnt have bought so many slots if Gaile posted the informantion in the GW PC Gamer article months earlier, if anet told us how little additional content that the game would actually get. I expected Everquest, which, 10 years later, is still getting expansions every 9 months (and the line anet was feeding us for a long time), not the one-and done that anet gave us.

You shouldnt. You should quit. I promise you that you will have a much more fun time playing other games (Sword of the New World releases today with most of the annouced features of GW2) than grinding frigging alliance battles.

I never understood this either. GW2 is mostly using the GW1 engine, and if stuff like persisntent world is possible with mods to the GW1 engine, why not let us play around with that. Players would love that.

We will see how different GW2 is than GW1. If its the same thing as GW1 with tweaked skill stats, then this point is especially valid.

But the "start over" people also have a valid point. It is fun to start over too.

Well the official word on why to get GWEN is so that you get Hall of Monuments, including whatever bonuses that gets you. If it gets you a divine aura or something, thats something which will be really nice if you continue to play GW2. Its up to you, though, whether a few extra maps and the chance to earn something like a divine aura justify a $40 purchase.

The official word on why to keep playing GW, though, appears to be.... "dont." Anet has been trying to scare away its player base with bad updates all year.

Just curious, but why? Why not add slots as you need them?

Right, because that's all there is to do.


I'm pretty sure that peristant worlds are not possible with the current engine. I could be wrong. In any case, one of the main reasons for Guild Wars 2 is because with all the Incriptions, collector items, heroes, etc, Guild Wars became to bloated. The developers felt Guild Wars needed a fresh start to implement their ideas.

I know I'm looking forward to it!


Well, I admit I'm not happy about Kurzick/Luxon skills. Very bad idea.

But GWEN looks fun even if you're not going to get GW2. Some more mini-games, hopefully some answers to old questions, and it sounds like it will have some fantastic locations!

This guy keeps comparing an expansion to WoW to GW2. GW has had 3 stand alone games than can be linked to 1 account and will now have 1 official expansion. All of these can be played with 1 character. You got what you wanted. Now it is time for a new game.

People played Everquest for years. No one complained when Everquest 2 came out and they couldn't transfer. Because it is a brand new game. Be happy that your achievements will get some recognition in GW2 through the HoM.

I knew from the very start that they were not going to stick to the 1 game every 6 months bit. Why? You can't run, jump, swim, or climb. There is only so much that can be done on the current engine. The amount of time and effort necessary to put those elements in the current engine is not worth it. It would take LONGER and cost more to do that than to create an entirely new game.

As a matter of fact it did, just as I explained... like completely... When everyone is level 70 and level 70 weapons and armor are like 30% more powerful than what was at 60 - your level 60 guy with extremely rare loot from the hardest bosses pre-xp becomes nothing more than a leveling bot when expansion is out.

Again - all you have left of your level 60 character is charater skin and name. And that is just an expansion, btw, not a new game with a completely redone engine.

No point in crying, imo.

so after going through 4 pages and actually reading most of it and realizing that its the same questions and answers, or point and counter point of every other I HATE GW2 thread that was on here I am still wondering why my original post of some one beating a dead horse was removed......

And to stay on topic
1) 2 years away calm down
2) They never said GW:EN would be the last content update. 2 years between games and no updates is just retarded for you people to think that.
3) Since when is it mandatory to have max level titles you people grind because you want to not because you have to. And don't give me the Faction Skills BS you got along fine with out it before youll get along fine with out it now.
4) No one can say with certainty what they can and can't do with the current engine unless your looking at the code used to develop it. and last time i check only the devs have that.
5) I like pie.

every online game is like that. after a while, they create another game which is better and everyone move to this game. some examples:

diablo1-diablo2 (hardly anyone still play diablo1)
cs 1.5-cs1.6 (there's 10 server in 1.5 and 10 000 in 1.6)


even if they didnt create guild wars2, after a while, the game is just too old, people leave it and the game die slowly.

Warmonger - did you really compare Burning Crusade to Guild Wars 2?

That's comparing apples to Mercedes. Burning Crusade = GWEN. They are both expansions.

When Blizzard makes WoW 2, then we'll talk.

All MMOs end and start over. Nothing new here, though I do think Anet announced GW2 too soon relative to also the end of GW. Far too long an implied gap between the end of GW chapters and potential GW2 release date.

GW has a lot of problems and has been considered "broken" by a lot of players for a long time. GW2 is giving us hope so I dought you are going to find too much negative feedback. The alpha and beta are not here so most of it in the imagination.

From most material I've read it looks like GW2 will fix much of the infrastructure of GW that made the game unbarable for some players (example separating pvp and pve).

The stuff xfering over to GW2 from GW is a sales gimmick. Knowing Anet they are not going to give an unfair advantage to a vet compaired to a new player that has never played either game.

First thing, its 2 years away. 2 YEARS!!! thats a good while in the future. This GW is doing well, and those who wish to can still play it, still can . New game, new oppertunities. It will just not be payed as much attention if you wish to have your old characters. No one says you have to switch over. And Anet isnt leaving you in the dust, you fully have the ability to come with on GW2. New starts are never bad, its a clean slate, we will all be starting off at the same point. NO one will be more superior than the person next to you. Uber l33t people that rub it in your face that you are worse than them and you will never be as good. I see this as just something inticable, something great and new and alot of people are eagerly awaiting its arrival, me included. Remember no one is forcing you to go with GW2, but i dear say that it might get awful lonely only being left with that l33t guys that stay on the principal that they worked so hard to get to where they are. You play a game for fun, so have your fun and stop acting like your getting fired from you job.