"Deserter" title - How to deal with "leavers"

SavageX378

SavageX378

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Jul 2007

The Sanctity of Solace [ace]

W/

10 Jul 2007 at 21:00 - 1
Ok, I'm sure everyone has noticed recently ever since the faction change in one of the latest updates that players have been ditching in the middle of the PVP competitive missions. This is mostly occurring on the Luxon side in the Fort Aspenwood mission and it's really getting annoying. Games are becoming a complete bore and winning feels pointless because of it.

Here is what I purpose Anet should consider doing to try to reduce it:

The "Deserter" Title.
  • Whenever a player leaves in the middle of a pvp game (whether that be an arena or a competitive mission) before a victor has been declared, they will gain a point towards this title.
  • For each point in the title, players will receive less faction for both balthazar and alliance. How this is calculated I leave up to Anet.
  • To remove the points from the title in order to remove the penality, players have to stay in matches to the end.
  • To further promote staying, players can gain points for a new title of "loyality" in which they can gain extra faction based on the number of points in the title.
  • To prevent leechers from exploiting the loyality title, they have to actively participate in the match. It's up to Anet how to determine when a player is "active" in a match. I would suggest that players get kicked from a game if they fail to move their character after 1 minute of standing still and not using skills and/or initiate an attack.

Ok, just my thoughts on how to deal with this problem. It's about time Anet did something about the whole leeching/leaving situation and I hope this idea would be a good step in the right direction.

Alex The Noble

Alex The Noble

Academy Page

Join Date: Apr 2006

Red Lightning Brigade [RLB]

A/Mo

10 Jul 2007 at 21:16 - 2
/signed

Nice idea but what about the leacher bots who just move around in cricles or click healing signet constantly. Maybe if you donot do over 200 damage then you do not get any faction.

Crusheer

Crusheer

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jun 2006

Europe

Friends Of The World [FTW]

E/

10 Jul 2007 at 21:29 - 3
It shouldnt be title, but some ranking system. If you have 1000 points, you get normal factions. If u have less then 1000, your factions income will be decreased.
/signed

Ecklipze

Ecklipze

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Feb 2006

R/

10 Jul 2007 at 21:37 - 4
Been suggested before...

/not signed

Because:

People leaving for legit reasons would be unfairly penalised.

Some would see this negative title of yours as a goal to work to, thus actually increasing the amount of leavers.

David Lionmaster

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jul 2005

above the floor and below the celing

Fortunes Favored

10 Jul 2007 at 21:40 - 5
Quote:
Originally Posted by Alex The Noble
/signed

Nice idea but what about the leacher bots who just move around in cricles or click healing signet constantly. Maybe if you donot do over 200 damage then you do not get any faction.
And what about monks?

DvM

DvM

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Aug 2005

Vlaardingen, The Netherlands

Survivor Squad[SS]

10 Jul 2007 at 21:46 - 6
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ecklipze
Been suggested before...

/not signed

Because:

People leaving for legit reasons would be unfairly penalised.

Some would see this negative title of yours as a goal to work to, thus actually increasing the amount of leavers.
IF people would leave legit for one times, the point could be removed for the next game, because total faction could be calculated at the end of the match (could don't say it does)

So someone leaving once will not be affected by it, only multiple times. And if you leave 2 time sin a row, maybe you shoulden't play when you can be interrupted that easily?

Likelytodie

Likelytodie

Academy Page

Join Date: Sep 2006

New York

Fat People Lag [IRL]

Mo/

10 Jul 2007 at 21:46 - 7
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ecklipze

People leaving for legit reasons would be unfairly penalised.

Some would see this negative title of yours as a goal to work to, thus actually increasing the amount of leavers.
^^ Enough said.

/not signed

leeky baby

leeky baby

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Nov 2005

Surrey University

Starting to play again... need a guild

W/E

10 Jul 2007 at 21:46 - 8
i would just leave more to max the title ;p

Marty Silverblade

Marty Silverblade

Administrator

Join Date: Jun 2006

10 Jul 2007 at 21:56 - 9
/signed

If you have a legit reason, you're not going to care if you get a deserter point or whatever.

If your wife is giving birth, you're not gonna say 'Give me 5 mins gotta finish this FA match'.

If you stop to get coffee, THEN you can't claim to have a legit reason.

genofreek

genofreek

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jan 2007

USA

Jenova's Apocolyptic Remains [JAR]

D/

10 Jul 2007 at 21:57 - 10
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ecklipze
Been suggested before...

/not signed

Because:

People leaving for legit reasons would be unfairly penalised.

Some would see this negative title of yours as a goal to work to, thus actually increasing the amount of leavers.
/not signed because of this. Also, ANet has enough going on without having to handle negative title track points on a case-by-case basis, and since displaying titles are optional, even if you reach Brave Brave Sir Robin rank, who will know if you're showing, say, Lucky instead?

prism2525

prism2525

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2005

Among dead bodies.

The Republic of Sky Pirates

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10 Jul 2007 at 21:59 - 11
make it unmaxable so ppl don't farm it for KoaBD

/signed

PS: to all those saying that legit players would be penalised, the title would only start decreasing points after say 25 deserted/leeched battles in a row. point would be SUBTRACTED by actively fulfilling pvp missions. be it arenas or otherwise.

Keneth

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2007

10 Jul 2007 at 22:20 - 12
The system sounds good but don't make it a title because of the aforementioned problem.

/halfsigned

JeniM

Desert Nomad

Join Date: May 2007

W/E

10 Jul 2007 at 22:23 - 13
Quote:
Originally Posted by Marty Silverblade
/signed

If you have a legit reason, you're not going to care if you get a deserter point or whatever.

If your wife is giving birth, you're not gonna say 'Give me 5 mins gotta finish this FA match'.

If you stop to get coffee, THEN you can't claim to have a legit reason.
This person said it all if you have a "legit" reason your not going to give a crap about GW
If you have to go or be late for something DONT ENTER BATTLE 2MINS BEFORE IT

No more can really be said and i think we people that stay deserve a bonus

If spells can tell if your casting on yourself "Target other ally . . . " then maybe you have to use 10+ skills not on your self to qualify as "loyal"

Give real players a bonus not more nerfs "supposed" to stop bots/leavers

EDIT
Almost forgot
/signed signed signed more alliance and balth for the decent people that AB

gameshoes3003

gameshoes3003

Forge Runner

Join Date: Feb 2006

10 Jul 2007 at 22:36 - 14
/notsigned
Give me a break for god's sake.
Just say this to yourself when someone leaves:
"Shazbot (not hard to find the word I'm replacing) happens."

Ecklipze

Ecklipze

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Feb 2006

R/

10 Jul 2007 at 22:48 - 15
So...as mentioned in that big RA thread (/sigh) down at riverside if we're stuck with griefers, runners, or complete morons for teammates and mind you it happens quite a lot, we have to put up with them or face negative points towards our name each time?

Er, no thanks.

I acknowledge leavers, etc. are a problem but netting everyone who leaves together like that, even with your 'cumulative leave point systems' won't really help.

jiggerjay

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Nov 2006

England

Curse of the grail [Cotg]

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10 Jul 2007 at 22:51 - 16
/not signed

some people are title RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOs, this may just be an added inscentive for them.

Healers Wisper

Healers Wisper

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Join Date: Apr 2007

Anaheim, CA

BoMB

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10 Jul 2007 at 22:54 - 17
ok this is really a funny idea. I would totally farm this title maxable or not, especially if it had a cool postable title kinda like the happless title. I love that title alot. This would in an odd way promote leavers and only work to compound this issue. Truth be told is that life happens, and on the priotity list of life events, I am hopeing that Guild Wars is on the lower end, if it isn't you need to reevaluate your priorities.

For me I try not to "Leech or Leave" and group I am with, but I am a father of a young child, and if my son needs me I am sorry if you die, lose factions, or what not. You can NOT always plan your time and account for all possibilities.

placebo overdose

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jan 2007

N/

10 Jul 2007 at 22:55 - 18
why not just say if you leave a match you can not enter anymore for another 5 mins?
then it would take to much time to constantly leave

tenshi_strife

tenshi_strife

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jul 2006

in sardelac getting yelled at.

Angels of Strife[Aoc]

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10 Jul 2007 at 23:43 - 19
heh i was just gunna say that placebo, cause yea that is by far the easiest, cause legit leavers would not be effected in the least, by greifers would.

genofreek

genofreek

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jan 2007

USA

Jenova's Apocolyptic Remains [JAR]

D/

10 Jul 2007 at 23:54 - 20
Quote:
Originally Posted by placebo overdose
why not just say if you leave a match you can not enter anymore for another 5 mins?
then it would take to much time to constantly leave
I've seen this suggested before, and I think it's a good idea. Maybe up it to 10 minutes to make it a decent punishment worth avoiding. If you've gone AFK, then you'll probably be gone for most if not all of the time you're blocked from playing, so it doesn't matter. It'll only affect the jerks who ragequit and immediately try to start again with another team.

SavageX378

SavageX378

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Jul 2007

The Sanctity of Solace [ace]

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10 Jul 2007 at 23:58 - 21
Well, I had a feeling someone was gonna mention about people leaving with a legit reason that would be negatively affected by this. If that's the case, I suggest this then:

- The number of points added when leaving increases depending on how many times the player leaves within a certain time frame. The first time a player leaves s/he will get no points added but if s/he leaves a number of times within say an hour of playing, the points will increase per leave.

Here is a table for example:

first leave = 0 points
second leave = 1 (0+1) points
third leave = 3 (1+2) points
fourth leave = 6 (3+3) points
etc...

Once the player had stopped leaving games and about say 6 hours passes, the increments will reset to zero, allowing the player to leave a game with no points added.

- The amount of points subtracted from the title when player stays in a game follows the same pattern in reverse. The first game he will lose 5 points, the next he will lose 6, then 8, then 11, etc.

- Also, I should had noted earlier, this title is account wide rather than character based and the title can't be displayed to prevent people from showing it off.

Of course, I'm ok with the idea of just scrapping this whole idea and just use the same idea that World of Warcraft uses for their "deserter debuff" which prevents players from re-entering a pvp battleground for 15 minutes. I'm not too big on copying an idea from another game though, hence my suggestion of a title instead.

bathazard

bathazard

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jul 2006

W/

11 Jul 2007 at 00:05 - 22
/signed
i think that if they get a point in this title more than once it must be shown so people don't add them to there group.

Mister O

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Apr 2006

11 Jul 2007 at 00:05 - 23
In addition, this title does not count towards KOADB title, and cannot be displayed by players.

Echuu Ishtar

Academy Page

Join Date: Apr 2007

Sacred Forge Knights (SFK)

11 Jul 2007 at 00:54 - 24
It's a neat idea, but it's very iffy. I don't know... /halfsigned I guess.

KlutzySpy

KlutzySpy

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jun 2006

Denmark

Venatus Una

N/Rt

11 Jul 2007 at 01:25 - 25
/signed

healing is accually seen by the program as backwardsdamage, and is just as calcueable as damage

OI-812

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Apr 2006

Somewhere between GW and Fchan on the nets

None

R/D

11 Jul 2007 at 01:28 - 26
/signed

Watch a bunch of asshats leave repeatedly just to get the title though. Like some kind of perverse badge of honor.

Nemo the Capitalist

Nemo the Capitalist

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Aug 2006

Trust me you dont want to know my Chasms of Despair

Zaishen Brotherhood

N/Me

11 Jul 2007 at 01:55 - 27
id be one of the people tring to get ______MASTER_LEECHER R10
10,000,000 faction leeched
bonus: lag is incresed 30%

^_^ like suggestion?

JeniM

Desert Nomad

Join Date: May 2007

W/E

11 Jul 2007 at 02:03 - 28
OK what i never understood is all the people that say "thats life"

Its not life it's a game, and therefore why do we have to suffer the same crap ingame as we do everyday in life?

haggus71

haggus71

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jun 2007

FotS

13 Jul 2007 at 03:37 - 29
Yes, it's a game. JUST a game. As far as hitting leavers...what about this case? You start Ft Aspenwood. 5 guys from a guild/alliance decide they don't want to do it(gotta go bugger or whatever), and the three of you are left. So are you saying those three have to sit through the whole battle or suffer a penalty? If so, you need to also reward those who stick it through to the end. Otherwise you are penalizing the whole group for a few.

Anyways, it doesn't happen to me enough to matter. Maybe if I played it for 6 hours in a row it might, but usually it might happen once.

Hyper.nl

Hyper.nl

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Oct 2006

Defending Fort Aspenwood

E/

13 Jul 2007 at 08:17 - 30
/notsigned

Now we might get "Loyality title" leacher bots.

Stupid Shizno

Stupid Shizno

Banned

Join Date: Jan 2006

Madison, Wisconsin, USA

[eF]

Mo/

13 Jul 2007 at 08:24 - 31
been requested before

this is just insane, people leave for good reasons and bad reasons, but theres always a reason. real life, bed time, work, whatever. those who leave because of rage is not a huge precentage. maybe in pugs its a lot but who pugs these days anyways. if this does get added into game, your just giving a reason those who do rage to rage more, and those who rage and dont want the title to just turn off thier modem then turn it back on.

freekedoutfish

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jun 2006

E/

13 Jul 2007 at 08:34 - 32
A few problems...

1) You dont always know if a person is leaving with no good reason. They might get cut off, or have something important come up.

2) This would be a title I assume with a max limit? None PvP players would exploit it to get a max title.

Faer

Faer

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13 Jul 2007 at 09:27 - 33
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