So I sat out from GW for a little breather, only to come back to all my members being kicked from my guild. I asked what happened and apparently one of my inexperienced officers made the mistake of promoting a brand new member to officer status so he could "recruit his friends". The guy then proceeded to kick all of the members, and changed the announcement to "you kurzicks suck" before leaving.
We caught up with him later to find out that a luxon employees the guy to sabotage kurzicks, he gets in their guilds and reaches officer status to destroy the guilds roster, and he gets paid 10k for each guild successfully destroyed. The officer who made the mistake later talked about it in a district and also found out hes done it to other guilds. The person is now begging us not to report him, claiming he had nothing against us he just needed the money. Of course we have already reported him, but is that what this is coming too? Destroying communities just to get some quick cash, then claiming no responsibility because its "just their job"?
I'm not gonna go so far as to blame the Luxons of foul play since im only aware of one guy thats been put up to this, and im not aware if kurzicks are doing it either, but im starting to have my doubts in the community when people are paid to destroy guilds in a game, its just faction allegiance, do we really have to commit hateful acts for some money?
New money maker: Guild Sabotage?
Drakzel
Smile Like Umean It
That really is a lame thing to do and the excuse that he did it because he needed money is even lamer.
Your officer should have never promoted him, especially if he didn't even know him. That was a bad judgment call on his part. If he wanted to get his friends recruited he should have got the names from the guy and did it himself.
Hopefully, you can rebuild and they guy did deserve to be reported, but I"m not sure if support will really do anything about. But perhaps they will if enough people report him. I have my fingers crossed for you that they do.
Also, you can't post other people's name without their permission, no matter what they did. So you might wanna edit that before a mod does.
Your officer should have never promoted him, especially if he didn't even know him. That was a bad judgment call on his part. If he wanted to get his friends recruited he should have got the names from the guy and did it himself.
Hopefully, you can rebuild and they guy did deserve to be reported, but I"m not sure if support will really do anything about. But perhaps they will if enough people report him. I have my fingers crossed for you that they do.
Also, you can't post other people's name without their permission, no matter what they did. So you might wanna edit that before a mod does.
Drakzel
My mistake, name removed, its easy to rebuild, ive already invited most of them back, I just wanted to make this guys little scheme known to people he might prey on next.
Yeah I did lecture the officer but I know hes new, no long lasting damage was done I just told him to watch it from now on, its not the fact that he kicked the people, actually its laughable since you can go to history and reinvite the ones he kicked, just makes me sick that hes willing to do such a lowly thing for a couple thousand gold.
Apparently he also thought ahead about reporting, he does the evil deed then gets his the money to his real account where it goes to fund his guild. Obviously its worth it to the poor guy to buy a new account just to destroy peoples gaming experience just for that instant guild funding.
Yeah I did lecture the officer but I know hes new, no long lasting damage was done I just told him to watch it from now on, its not the fact that he kicked the people, actually its laughable since you can go to history and reinvite the ones he kicked, just makes me sick that hes willing to do such a lowly thing for a couple thousand gold.
Apparently he also thought ahead about reporting, he does the evil deed then gets his the money to his real account where it goes to fund his guild. Obviously its worth it to the poor guy to buy a new account just to destroy peoples gaming experience just for that instant guild funding.
Snow Bunny
You may choose to report him...or...find out who puts him up to it. While his greed may be deplorable, the insidious nature of the reason behind it is worse. Get him to get you screenies of him being asked to do this, and report the person that is asking him to do this. That might be better in a way...because the rationale behind it is really disturbing.
Drakzel
I'd have slim to no luck with that, hes eternally grateful to his employer so it would be very difficult to get him to rat him out, if the guy hasnt ignored me by now anyway.
JeniM
Hmmmm i could use some cash
^ JOKE ^
That sucks, i can't believe people would do that for 10k, it can't even be profitable, all the time working to officer for 10k . . .
Also theres the moral grounds of how much you would be willing to destroy a community for . .
Third and most important its game money but there real peoples feelings and trust, is game money worth upsetting real people
^ JOKE ^
That sucks, i can't believe people would do that for 10k, it can't even be profitable, all the time working to officer for 10k . . .
Also theres the moral grounds of how much you would be willing to destroy a community for . .
Third and most important its game money but there real peoples feelings and trust, is game money worth upsetting real people
Etta
You're too soft. Behead your officer and sent two deadly assasin after the Luxon's spy. Poison his toilet paper, when he done his No.2 he will be in world of pain. Wahahaha.
Ofcause you can also forget about it and rebuild your guild again. Nothing else you can do really, I doubt Anet will do anything as well. Hey! live and learn, right?
Ofcause you can also forget about it and rebuild your guild again. Nothing else you can do really, I doubt Anet will do anything as well. Hey! live and learn, right?
HuntMaster Avatar
i'v heard about this before. its a shame that player cant just work together. i'v also seen this done with the competitive areas like fortaspenwood.
luxons and kurzicks send members over to the foes team, then that person just stands there, allowing their friends to gain a much larger faction count and also aids in winning the battle. this is the reason i stopped farming factions.
i have been playing alone for almost 2 years now, Since i started. i have joined a few guilds, one of them scammed me out of platinum i got as a present from the guild leader when i first started. other guilds i have joined have been a waste of time. i'v had almost no help on missions or farming, i have to do it all myself or it wont get done, and i'v been stuck on the last missions of the games for awhile now.
its a big frustrating to have to play the game alone the entire time just to avoid conflict and verbal abuse. thats one of the reasons i hardly play anymore. i just hope that ArenaNet does something to help the players who just want to enjoy the game, and not get ripped off.
sorry to hear what happened to your guild. hope everything works out.
luxons and kurzicks send members over to the foes team, then that person just stands there, allowing their friends to gain a much larger faction count and also aids in winning the battle. this is the reason i stopped farming factions.
i have been playing alone for almost 2 years now, Since i started. i have joined a few guilds, one of them scammed me out of platinum i got as a present from the guild leader when i first started. other guilds i have joined have been a waste of time. i'v had almost no help on missions or farming, i have to do it all myself or it wont get done, and i'v been stuck on the last missions of the games for awhile now.
its a big frustrating to have to play the game alone the entire time just to avoid conflict and verbal abuse. thats one of the reasons i hardly play anymore. i just hope that ArenaNet does something to help the players who just want to enjoy the game, and not get ripped off.
sorry to hear what happened to your guild. hope everything works out.
ShadowsRequiem
Just report his ass
but IMO only promote guild officers you can trust, its your own fault for promoting someone who has not been part of your guild long enough or you have known.
We see quite a few ppl complain about this, and the problem can completely be avoided.
but IMO only promote guild officers you can trust, its your own fault for promoting someone who has not been part of your guild long enough or you have known.
We see quite a few ppl complain about this, and the problem can completely be avoided.
Drakzel
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Just report his ass
but IMO only promote guild officers you can trust, its your own fault for promoting someone who has not been part of your guild long enough or you have known. We see quite a few ppl complain about this, and the problem can completely be avoided. |
Alot of you guys seem to be saying theres nothing I can do besides report, and I'm well aware of that. I'm not appealing for sympathy, as I've already regained the members, and I'm not here to make you do something as you have no power over it. Neither am I here to ruin his reputation, as hes already doing a lovely job with that, I just want people to be aware of whats going on.
So please if you could, refrain from biting my head off, I'm just looking out for other people who might fall victim to it.
countesscorpula
Talk about taking the RP aspect of the game a bit far. For those of us who've been playing a while, we know what it is to be in different guilds. After bouncing through a few rough ones I've learned that precious few should ever be given the position of officer. This is just one of the reasons why. Anyone concerned about "sabotage" should simply limit officer positions to those they can trust. It is understood in my guild that *I* am the only one who is allowed to promote people to officer. Period. Anyone screwing with this policy is likely to find the new promotee demoted and the promoter is very likely to join them. As leader it is your guild. You are ultimately responsible for what happens with the guild. You can choose to share some of the privilages, but the responsibility is always yours.
countesscorpula
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As I said, It wasn't me, Im well aware of promoting who I trust, the idiot took advantage of a new player while I was gone.
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Drakzel
It's typical, I come here to warn the community that I've been active in for awhile now, I use my incident as an example, and rather then getting the problem out into the public so people will be aware of it, people decide to flame and start turning this into the "Guild Management 101" topic. I don't need your advice or your help, I know how to run my guild, I just want to let people know what to look out for because I doubt hes done.
I've already solved my problem, the situation has been mended, and it is in no way the topic of this thread, so thanks for getting off the point. I'll remember the next time I wanna advise people what to avoid, It's best I just let them find out for themselves.
I've already solved my problem, the situation has been mended, and it is in no way the topic of this thread, so thanks for getting off the point. I'll remember the next time I wanna advise people what to avoid, It's best I just let them find out for themselves.
Arnack
Excuse my form of "cruelness" but I think that is completely legit, if not a good way to make cash. Not saying I would do it.. but just think of it as a way to attack a guild... I am sorry to you Drakzel, for your loss.
But I truly think it ads more excitement to the whole Guild scene.
Arnack
But I truly think it ads more excitement to the whole Guild scene.
Arnack
populationcontrol
infiltrating enemy alliance guilds and sabotaging them, sounds awesome. if i ever buy factions im gonna form a soviet faction and train spies. you know from my point of view "war is violence, moderation is imbicility", awesome way to defeat powerful war machine guilds before even fighting them.
byteme!
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Excuse my form of "cruelness" but I think that is completely legit, if not a good way to make cash. Not saying I would do it.. but just think of it as a way to attack a guild... I am sorry to you Drakzel, for your loss.
But I truly think it ads more excitement to the whole Guild scene. Arnack |
populationcontrol
if you really want to be infiltration proof give up your aristocratic officer tittle, promote everyone to officer. that way, we are all equal...
Smile Like Umean It
That is a bad idea for the exact reason you stated it would be a good one. You're all equal. Meaning they have just as much power as you. They can invite their asshole friends and grief or what until you're in matches and "accidentally" slip and cost you. If they're sneaky enough about it, it could take you awhile to figure it out.
Curse You
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Originally Posted by HuntMaster Avatar
i'v heard about this before. its a shame that player cant just work together. i'v also seen this done with the competitive areas like fortaspenwood.
luxons and kurzicks send members over to the foes team, then that person just stands there, allowing their friends to gain a much larger faction count and also aids in winning the battle. this is the reason i stopped farming factions. i have been playing alone for almost 2 years now, Since i started. i have joined a few guilds, one of them scammed me out of platinum i got as a present from the guild leader when i first started. other guilds i have joined have been a waste of time. i'v had almost no help on missions or farming, i have to do it all myself or it wont get done, and i'v been stuck on the last missions of the games for awhile now. its a big frustrating to have to play the game alone the entire time just to avoid conflict and verbal abuse. thats one of the reasons i hardly play anymore. i just hope that ArenaNet does something to help the players who just want to enjoy the game, and not get ripped off. sorry to hear what happened to your guild. hope everything works out. |
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Excuse my form of "cruelness" but I think that is completely legit, if not a good way to make cash. Not saying I would do it.. but just think of it as a way to attack a guild... I am sorry to you Drakzel, for your loss.
But I truly think it ads more excitement to the whole Guild scene. Arnack |
(d) Member Conduct. You agree not to use the Service to:
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(ix) "stalk" or otherwise harass another member.
I think you could count knocking out guilds as "harassing" another member.
pamelf
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Originally Posted by Arnack
Excuse my form of "cruelness" but I think that is completely legit, if not a good way to make cash. Not saying I would do it.. but just think of it as a way to attack a guild... I am sorry to you Drakzel, for your loss.
But I truly think it ads more excitement to the whole Guild scene. Arnack |
I understand Drakzel that you don't want this turned into Guild Management 101, but the fact that it has is helping future Guilds avoid making the same mistake you did.
Lessons to be learned here: Only promote officers you know and trust, and don't take time off leaving your guild in the hands of 3 month player officers, then this situation can be avoided.
We appreciate the warnings, but we also appreciate learning the common sense to avoid them.
HawkofStorms
I'm more disturbed that some sick freak is actually willing to PAY somebody to do this. I'm not surprised people sabatoge guilds, a lot of people get sick pleasure for griefing others, but to actually "hire" other people to grief for you is a whole new level of pysciopath.
divinechancellor
It happened to us (Revenant Crew[cryx]), and if it was caused by one of these "mercenaries" then it's a big problem. Our guild is responding to the issue in the most drastic way i can imagine: promote everyone to officer status so there's nobody that can be kicked. It's kinda funny.
Traveller
No one should be given officer status in 2-3 days from their arrival. That's your (or your officer's) mistake right there. Even though if you know it, there is bound to be people who don't and like you said, get their guilds demolished as a result.
Sure, I'm not saying someone could have a bad day and turn out to be a butthole even after a long time.. but who is the more likely to be a "spy", guy you met 2-3 days ago or a guy who has been with the guild 2-3 months? (takes some serious GW lore dedication if it's the latter one!)
Sure, I'm not saying someone could have a bad day and turn out to be a butthole even after a long time.. but who is the more likely to be a "spy", guy you met 2-3 days ago or a guy who has been with the guild 2-3 months? (takes some serious GW lore dedication if it's the latter one!)
Kas
<3 Guru.
Someone posts a legit warning. Guru doesn't care about the warning. But cares plenty about bashing the OP.
Someone posts a legit warning. Guru doesn't care about the warning. But cares plenty about bashing the OP.
JeniM
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<3 Guru.
Someone posts a legit warning. Guru doesn't care about the warning. But cares plenty about bashing the OP. |
The OP has taken the time to come and warn people about this and people come here and flame him
Kinn
Guild Wars: Serious Business
(still a lame thing to do though
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(still a lame thing to do though
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MagmaRed
I don't see the value in this for anyone but HIGH ranked GvG guilds, and they would be targeting specific guilds for it. If you have a guild ranked 101, and want to hit that top 100 mark, send someone to guild 100, have them do some work at destroying it, then you have an easier advancement to the top 100. But why a normal Kurzick guild would be targeted by a normal Luzon guild is beyond me. Takes a little time and money to reinvite the people, but its not hard. The amount of influence 1-5 guilds being destroyed in a week (assuming multiple sabatuers) would have on AB, FA, or JQ (like anyone does JQ anyway) is none.
As far as everyone commenting on how the OP should run his guild, I agree with them. Yes, he made a mistake, and he knows it. But talking about it makes sure other people who read this thread learn about it, and don't make it.
Officer status is a big deal, even for guilds that don't do GvG or high end PvP. Whether you actually use the position for what it can do or not, it is a status symbol, and people feel important for having it. This can result in someone becoming a pompus ass, or a dedicated servent to the guild. Be wary on promotions.
As far as everyone commenting on how the OP should run his guild, I agree with them. Yes, he made a mistake, and he knows it. But talking about it makes sure other people who read this thread learn about it, and don't make it.
Officer status is a big deal, even for guilds that don't do GvG or high end PvP. Whether you actually use the position for what it can do or not, it is a status symbol, and people feel important for having it. This can result in someone becoming a pompus ass, or a dedicated servent to the guild. Be wary on promotions.
RhanoctJocosa
It's your fault for even inviting someone you don't know well/haven't played a lot with. And no, they haven't broken any rules so don't think you're going to get them banned or anything.
Also, this IS guru after all, don't expect people to be handing you tissues because you were stupid and got screwed over.
The factions r srs business it seems.
Also, this IS guru after all, don't expect people to be handing you tissues because you were stupid and got screwed over.
The factions r srs business it seems.
Arnack
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Most of those people aren't saboteurs. They're lazy noobs who would rather use a macro/bot to get their faction than actually working for it.
The EULA. You all signed it. (d) Member Conduct. You agree not to use the Service to: ... (ix) "stalk" or otherwise harass another member. I think you could count knocking out guilds as "harassing" another member. |
I mean when I'm in PvP I can pick a certain player I want to attack and kill over and over again.. but you wouldn't call that harassing.
Drakzel
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I agree
The OP has taken the time to come and warn people about this and people come here and flame him |
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No one should be given officer status in 2-3 days from their arrival. That's your (or your officer's) mistake right there. Even though if you know it, there is bound to be people who don't and like you said, get their guilds demolished as a result.
Sure, I'm not saying someone could have a bad day and turn out to be a butthole even after a long time.. but who is the more likely to be a "spy", guy you met 2-3 days ago or a guy who has been with the guild 2-3 months? (takes some serious GW lore dedication if it's the latter one!) |
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It's your fault for even inviting someone you don't know well/haven't played a lot with. And no, they haven't broken any rules so don't think you're going to get them banned or anything.
Also, this IS guru after all, don't expect people to be handing you tissues because you were stupid and got screwed over. The factions r srs business it seems. |
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I don't think it would fall under that category..
I mean when I'm in PvP I can pick a certain player I want to attack and kill over and over again.. but you wouldn't call that harassing. |
Shadow of Light
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It's typical, I come here to warn the community that I've been active in for awhile now, I use my incident as an example, and rather then getting the problem out into the public so people will be aware of it, people decide to flame and start turning this into the "Guild Management 101" topic. I don't need your advice or your help, I know how to run my guild, I just want to let people know what to look out for because I doubt hes done.
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Your warning is appreciated. But, as the vast majority of the people posting here are GW players, you can assume the number of people who appreciate the time you've taken to post here is greatly outnumbered by those who prefer to sneer at your misfortune.
MrBlock
I think thats probably a luxon thing... first guild I ever joined was the only Kurzick guild I've ever been in and that was in ruins from someone who'd kicked all the members. The guy needs a kick in the face I think, along with whoever's stupid enough to pay for it. I mean there's no AB or FA (other faction pvp isnt even worth mentioning, FA barely is) without someone to fight in the first place.
Jabusky
Wow people just stoop to a new level of low :'[
fujin
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I think thats probably a luxon thing... first guild I ever joined was the only Kurzick guild I've ever been in and that was in ruins from someone who'd kicked all the members. The guy needs a kick in the face I think, along with whoever's stupid enough to pay for it. I mean there's no AB or FA (other faction pvp isnt even worth mentioning, FA barely is) without someone to fight in the first place.
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populationcontrol
seriously whats wrong with promoting everyone to officer, as guild leader it would make your guild infiltration proof and in a sense it avoids any officer abuse on unpromoted players.
communism is the way to go
communism is the way to go
X Blood Thirst X
That is so lame.
Some people need to grow up.
"Psst, Hey you, ya go and destroy Kurzick guilds and I'll give you money yaya"
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Some people need to grow up.
"Psst, Hey you, ya go and destroy Kurzick guilds and I'll give you money yaya"
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Coridan
its most likely from someone in a kurzick guilg that is wanting to sabatoge the next towns alliance. I have been aproached by various people in game about trying to tear down Dead Souls guild...it was so bothersome that i eventually left. I had nothing against those guys....so why would i want to do that...although i know one or two people that are notorious for tearing up guilds after the get in...
sprintcar88h
just promote everyone to officer than only guild leader can kick them or they leave on there own and can invite anyone who needs / wants an invite...
only down side would be gvg I'd think
only down side would be gvg I'd think