I have become curious as to why a Ritualist is blinded by skills that cause blindness.
Now my reasonign here is that a Ritualist wears headgear that causes them to be blind so they can concentrate on the spirit realm.
With this in mind they use weapons while wearing this. So the Ritualist is already blinded.
Why then when someone uses a skill that causes blindness can they no longer use the weapon as effectively?
I therefore suggest that primary ritualists at the very least should be immune to all forms of blindness.
Blinding a Ritualist
william1975
MrFuzzles
[skill]sight beyond sight[/skill]
Curse You
Note that [wiki]Sight Beyond Sight[/wiki] is in Spawning Power. That means that only primary Ritualists can get the full effect.
JeniM
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I therefore suggest that primary ritualists at the very least should be immune to all forms of blindness.
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My PvP Warrior is a pure warrior build so a W/Rt would be great and not affect her skills apart from the death of lots of touchers and Air ele's
MithranArkanere
Well... Ritualsits, even being blind 'see' the spirit realm...
Since characters can affect spirits (we can hit ghosts) blinding the 'spiritual sight' of a ritualists works the same way.
Here's your explanation.
Since characters can affect spirits (we can hit ghosts) blinding the 'spiritual sight' of a ritualists works the same way.
Here's your explanation.
Series
No, there is no explanation.
Blindness causes the user to miss with attacks because he can not see.
Ritualists can not see.
Ritualists can hit with attacks.
Therefore, blindness should have no effect on them as sight is not important to them.
However, this is just for the lore... yes, ritualists can never see anything, but exempting them automatically from suffering a condition just doesn't really fit into the Guild Wars mechanics.
Blindness causes the user to miss with attacks because he can not see.
Ritualists can not see.
Ritualists can hit with attacks.
Therefore, blindness should have no effect on them as sight is not important to them.
However, this is just for the lore... yes, ritualists can never see anything, but exempting them automatically from suffering a condition just doesn't really fit into the Guild Wars mechanics.
MrFuzzles
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Ritualists do not need eyes to see.
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pamelf
Hmmm, good point. Never thought of that. Doesn't make much sense.
I agree, they should probably be immune to blindness....
I agree, they should probably be immune to blindness....
genofreek
I tend to look up and whistle when that happens, because I don't look for hyper-realism in my game full of spirit-summoning men in beaded skirts. XD
Am I alone here?
Am I alone here?
Series
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I tend to look up and whistle when that happens, because I don't look for hyper-realism in my game full of spirit-summoning men in beaded skirts. XD
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You got us there.........
Government Flu
I have to point out something that doesn't appear to have been mentioned yet:
Ritualists have their eyes shut when attacking with any weapon. (Bow, sword, staff, etc.) I was trying out this class for a while and didn't like the mask so I made it hidden.
And what do you know? Even without the masks, ritualists attack enemies without looking.
So! If next you find yourself demoralized by this lack of realism, just consider this: The ritualist keeps a close connection with the spirit realm, and that realm allows them to strike targets accurately without even seeing them.
But when an assassin uses something like blinding powder, it causes them to lose focus because their eyes are burning from having a foreign object in them.
Ritualists have their eyes shut when attacking with any weapon. (Bow, sword, staff, etc.) I was trying out this class for a while and didn't like the mask so I made it hidden.
And what do you know? Even without the masks, ritualists attack enemies without looking.
So! If next you find yourself demoralized by this lack of realism, just consider this: The ritualist keeps a close connection with the spirit realm, and that realm allows them to strike targets accurately without even seeing them.
But when an assassin uses something like blinding powder, it causes them to lose focus because their eyes are burning from having a foreign object in them.
bilateralrope
I suppose this means than when someone tells a ritualist "Abbadon will eat your eyes" that the ritualist doesn't care.
Series
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I suppose this means than when someone tells a ritualist "Abbadon will eat your eyes" that the ritualist doesn't care.
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Sophitia Leafblade
Has anyone else noticed that Ritualists close their eyes while in battle (eg. while Casting, attacking, battle stance, etc. etc.)
freekedoutfish
From my understanding, despite being pyhsically blinded by a mask. Ritualists have a second sense that allows them to call-upon the spirit world and are still able to percieve the world around them.
Blinding skills or spells presumable interupt this ability.
Otherwise why dont they have a guide-dog when walking around the world? Maybe they peak from under their mask!
Blinding skills or spells presumable interupt this ability.
Otherwise why dont they have a guide-dog when walking around the world? Maybe they peak from under their mask!
Hawkeye
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From my understanding, despite being pyhsically blinded by a mask. Ritualists have a second sense that allows them to call-upon the spirit world and are still able to percieve the world around them.
Blinding skills or spells presumable interupt this ability. Otherwise why dont they have a guide-dog when walking around the world? Maybe they peak from under their mask! |
Well, the obvious and self-explicatory answer is "It's just a game," but I assume you already knew that.
The answer you probably wanted to hear was that yes, you're right. It doesn't make sense, though I don't think they should remove it, nor do I think they should make them immune to blindness.
TheOneMephisto
Maybe it's something complicated, like:
Ritualists don't see normally, but they still need their eyes to "see" the spirit realm. Like, they have specially adapted eyes that can see the spirit realm, and therefore can see through the cloth, but can't see when messed up?
Ritualists don't see normally, but they still need their eyes to "see" the spirit realm. Like, they have specially adapted eyes that can see the spirit realm, and therefore can see through the cloth, but can't see when messed up?
isamu kurosawa
I always saw it as Ritualists seeing the world in spirit form thus being able to hit foes and not walk into walls. and who's to say in this fantasy world, that the dirt you can only throw once every 30 seconds isn't magical sixth sense distorting fairy dust?
Faer
And what about the Ritualists who turn their mask display off, hmm?
6am3 Fana71c
Lol... What's wrong with you guys? You know you CAN press "hide always" in headgear options? So there we go, nothing is blinding them anymore, everyone happy. kktnxbai
Kale Ironfist
This is actually a legitimate complaint if only because Aeson (the Luxon Ritualist) was born blind. If he's already blinded at birth, why is he affected by the blind condition?!
DeBron
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And what about the Ritualists who turn their mask display off, hmm?
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william1975
ok to take the point of the ritualist not wearing their headgear, Government Flu points out they have their eyes closed. However im sure that there are few who actually go out without the headgear on, while they may have it as not visible this does not mean the charcter is not wearing it. Otherwise they would recieve no armour/rune/insignia bonuses from it.
Obviously some skills may be developed or worded so as to affect the ritualist second sight, or ability to see via the spirit realm, but not all of them are.
Blinding Flash for example, would not affect this. Throw dirst as well. These affect the persons eyesight by doing something physical to them, which would be blocked by the usage of the headgear.
While hyper realism is not necessary in a fantasy world some links to it are. Most of the skills that cause blindness are physical effects with no magic properties and shouldn't affect someone that doesnt actually use their eyesight and is already blind.
Maybe ritualist headgear should have an adaption to it that prevents them from suffereing from blindness from these sources.
I can imagine that some magical skills could be worded differently to cause blindness in the spiritual realm, many ritualist skills could do this, mesmer or elemental ones too.
There is a major issue however her that has not been mentioned, normally blindness only affect the usage of weapons, however the suggestion that blindness on the ritualist should affect their ability to see the spirit realm should mean that they can't use any ritualist skill effectively at all, as it interupts their abilty to see it.
Obviously some skills may be developed or worded so as to affect the ritualist second sight, or ability to see via the spirit realm, but not all of them are.
Blinding Flash for example, would not affect this. Throw dirst as well. These affect the persons eyesight by doing something physical to them, which would be blocked by the usage of the headgear.
While hyper realism is not necessary in a fantasy world some links to it are. Most of the skills that cause blindness are physical effects with no magic properties and shouldn't affect someone that doesnt actually use their eyesight and is already blind.
Maybe ritualist headgear should have an adaption to it that prevents them from suffereing from blindness from these sources.
I can imagine that some magical skills could be worded differently to cause blindness in the spiritual realm, many ritualist skills could do this, mesmer or elemental ones too.
There is a major issue however her that has not been mentioned, normally blindness only affect the usage of weapons, however the suggestion that blindness on the ritualist should affect their ability to see the spirit realm should mean that they can't use any ritualist skill effectively at all, as it interupts their abilty to see it.
Bouldershoulder
Maybe it's not so much the blindness than how annoying being thrown at in the face with dirt actually is. I mean, who's to say the Ritualist is just distracted by the stinging filth...
william1975
Having dirt thrown on your face is distracting, despite your face being covered by a wrap, and causes you an inability to properly use your weapon, but having a fireball flung at to, being set on fire or struck by lightning doesnt distract you?
Sorry but I just don't think thats reasonable
Sorry but I just don't think thats reasonable
Series
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Having dirt thrown on your face is distracting, despite your face being covered by a wrap, and causes you an inability to properly use your weapon, but having a fireball flung at to, being set on fire or struck by lightning doesnt distract you?
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tenshi_strife
this thread is making me die of laughter. look as stated before rits have [skill]sight beyond sight[/skill] which is addressing the cant be blinded thing, and yes in realism stakes they should probably not be able to be blinded but there is an issue of balance..... if they cant be blinded well 1 sight beyond sight is now useless and 2 [skill]Spirit's Strength[/skill] will be grossly overpowered.....
killer toast
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Bane of Worlds
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Back to topic
Ritualists have "Sight Beyond Sight" and volunteerly close their eyes when performing actions. Not to mention that they have strengthen their other senses by giving up their physical sight.
The immunity to all forms of blindness wouldn't be right as the ritualist would then be the only profession with an immunity to a condition while other 7 professions do not possess such advantages. Not to mention that it would needless to carry the skill, Sight Beyond Sight, and be replaced with a more useful skill for more damage output or an healing/prot skill. As to the headwrap, you could say it does provide a protection for "dirt" but a little amount may still get through which irritates the eyes and causes a momentarily distraction great enough that may cause the ritualist to miss.
Curse You
This is a game. You can shoot lightning, conjure fireballs, and heal people.
What's to say that the condition "Blindness" doesn't also cut off a Ritualist's ability to see clearly via the spirit realm.
What's to say that the condition "Blindness" doesn't also cut off a Ritualist's ability to see clearly via the spirit realm.
MrFuzzles
Game balance > Realism
If rits can't be blinded, it would only make sense that no classes but warrior should get an armor value on their headgear, that rangers can't fire their bow while being hit in melee, that paragons can only throw their spear once, and that the entire elementalist class be removed because there is no such thing as magic.
I was hoping the OP was just being silly and making a funny by creating this thread, but I'm starting to get a little worried now.
If rits can't be blinded, it would only make sense that no classes but warrior should get an armor value on their headgear, that rangers can't fire their bow while being hit in melee, that paragons can only throw their spear once, and that the entire elementalist class be removed because there is no such thing as magic.
I was hoping the OP was just being silly and making a funny by creating this thread, but I'm starting to get a little worried now.
william1975
I'm not arguing that Ritualists be immune to all forms of blindness just ones that specifically target the physical eyes, sight beyond sight would not be useless then, just usable for those skilsl that cut off the access to the spirit realm
Alos the point i have made is if you are cut off from the spirit realm how can a ritualist use any skill?
Alos the point i have made is if you are cut off from the spirit realm how can a ritualist use any skill?