I'm a tenth level Warrior\Elementalist who just made it to Yak Territory with those pesky little dwarves. Here's the Dilemma. These dudes are popping me silly with damage and I get the feeling my armor is lame for my level. I bought some Ascalon armor (def 50) Cuirass, boots, leggings, but have a Gladiators gauntlets and helmet, with the same Armor rating. Is it a problem that I'm using a mixed set?
...Or Is it that I'm not using some of the defense runes? Can't afford those yet....
Am I missing the boat on Armor?
jordanz
Age
Your armour is not lame as most of the stone summit around there use a lower AL(armour level) rating than yourself.The armour you bought in Ascalon is perfectly fine as well as the gauntlets and helmet being AL 50.It would be best to have the same insignia on them though and get a vigor rune.You need to just hone on your skills more by switching targets tabing through them.
This is what most people believe which is a cop out to getting maxed armour in Droks as it will do nothing to improve your skill lvl not just what is on your bar but how you play Warrior and what build you are using.The lvl 22 stone summit down by Droks have 38 al and those are the warriors.You just need to look at the AL rating on the armour you pick up to see what it is for the most part your armour is fine to get you even to Droks through ascending not getting a run.Playing Warrior isn't as easy as everyone says it is.In essence it is not your armour.
This is what most people believe which is a cop out to getting maxed armour in Droks as it will do nothing to improve your skill lvl not just what is on your bar but how you play Warrior and what build you are using.The lvl 22 stone summit down by Droks have 38 al and those are the warriors.You just need to look at the AL rating on the armour you pick up to see what it is for the most part your armour is fine to get you even to Droks through ascending not getting a run.Playing Warrior isn't as easy as everyone says it is.In essence it is not your armour.
bart
i think u can buy better armor at Yak's Bend right?
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HawkofStorms
Yeah, you have plenty of armor. Just remember to use henchman and have a full party of six party members in Yak's.
Also, keep in mind that frenzy makes you take double damage.
Also, keep in mind that frenzy makes you take double damage.
fujin
I`m not sure whether you can get these skills while you`re still there, but you could use defensive stances or armor/HP boosting skills. I personally like skills such as Watch Yourself, and Defensive Stance, although you get that skill much later in game. Bonetti`s Defense is a good stance, although the Adrenaline cost is high. You`re only 2 missions away from reaching the outpost with the skill quest.
HKSdivision
Your armor level is fine, I remember when I first started I bought the Gladiator's set and used to till I got to LA.
You probably have "The Road to Borlis Pass" quest activated so it spawns a lot more Stone Summit too. Before you are about to engage a mob, flag your henchies back then pull only a few of the enemies so that lessens the load on you and it shouldn't be too tough.
Also, if your skill bar is full of attack skills then you should change it up and take some defensive skills like "Watch Yourself!" and whatever else you have.
You probably have "The Road to Borlis Pass" quest activated so it spawns a lot more Stone Summit too. Before you are about to engage a mob, flag your henchies back then pull only a few of the enemies so that lessens the load on you and it shouldn't be too tough.
Also, if your skill bar is full of attack skills then you should change it up and take some defensive skills like "Watch Yourself!" and whatever else you have.
Kook~NBK~
If you get "Empathy" put on you, stop attacking. (You're just beating yourself up if you don't) Use that time to do some self-healing or something.
It's a good idea to only take one quest at a time from Yak's bend. You can abandon the extras in town and pick them up again later. There's more back and forth running around to do, but you're chances of sucess will be much better with the lower mob population.
It's a good idea to only take one quest at a time from Yak's bend. You can abandon the extras in town and pick them up again later. There's more back and forth running around to do, but you're chances of sucess will be much better with the lower mob population.
jordanz
Yep, thanks guys, you nailed it. I get to a point in Borliss pass where I am just mobbed. Still trying to learn how to rein in these henchmen....
Coridan
use your flags (under the minimap) set the henchman back...not to far but far enough they won't aggro another group....get yourself a longbow... go in by your self and draw "shoot at" one of the groups....run back to your henchies.....clean em out....then repeat. Learning proper control of henchman/hero's isn't a necessity but it reallllly helps.
Lonesamurai
also remember, your now in a six man area aswell 
fujin
Aggro control is a must learn IMO... I see many people who think they`re invincible charge into a large mob.
Seissor
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Aggro control is a must learn IMO... I see many people who think they`re invincible charge into a large mob.
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Ok...so maybe its not warriors in hyperdrive...but maybe someday.
fujin
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Thats a ficticious statement. You and I both know warriors stay still and it is the world around them that moves, it was the enemy mob that charged them, not the other way around.
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populationcontrol
if you ask me its better in the long run if you invest in max droks armor after a run there (droknars forge). from that point on armor only gets better in style but still have same armor stats, though in many aspects after beating the game this game becomes a game of status. why else would people pay over 1 mill k fow fow armor with same stats as droks, STYLE
well yeah
well yeah
Healers Wisper
I feel your pain here bro. I just did the quest out of Yaks this weekend and got mobbed to death with a full henchie party. 2nd time out I did much better. Your a W/e so you have some options here. I took three Axe skills and of course rez and healing signet. But I took watchyourself and Earth armor also. (you should have this if you finished Pre-ele quests).
When you get to the large mobs order henchies back. use a longbowe to pull badies twords you and the use watch your self. Whe the mob get around you cast earth armor (it slows you down but at this point you want to focus on taking the mob and letting henches kill) I also use endure pain for the extra HP. Keep Watch yourself up anbd earth armor (I know they don't stack above +25 anymore, Watch yourself is more for henchies and earth armor is for you) Most important thing you can do is self heal!! Use signet when you can. Attacking really is your last focus (as it often is with a warrior belive it or not) You want to avoid Alesia becoming exhausted as she is your only Healer!
When you get to the large mobs order henchies back. use a longbowe to pull badies twords you and the use watch your self. Whe the mob get around you cast earth armor (it slows you down but at this point you want to focus on taking the mob and letting henches kill) I also use endure pain for the extra HP. Keep Watch yourself up anbd earth armor (I know they don't stack above +25 anymore, Watch yourself is more for henchies and earth armor is for you) Most important thing you can do is self heal!! Use signet when you can. Attacking really is your last focus (as it often is with a warrior belive it or not) You want to avoid Alesia becoming exhausted as she is your only Healer!
HawkofStorms
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if you ask me its better in the long run if you invest in max droks armor after a run there (droknars forge). from that point on armor only gets better in style but still have same armor stats, though in many aspects after beating the game this game becomes a game of status. why else would people pay over 1 mill k fow fow armor with same stats as droks, STYLE
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HKSdivision
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Terrible advice. Doing this with your first character will mean you won't learn anything about how to play the game properly. Play through the game in order and you'll develop into a much better player.
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fujin
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Exactly! I remember on my first character I got a run to Drok's because the guy was giving a test run for free so I tagged along, made it to Drok's but didn't get the armor there because I wanted to actually play the game and get myself there on my own before buying it. If you actually play the game doing every primary quest, and mission then you'll learn a lot more.
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You shouldn't really have a problem with damage until you reach the Crystal Dessert or Southern Shiverpeaks... especially if you're a Warrior.
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Attacking really is your last focus (as it often is with a warrior belive it or not) You want to avoid Alesia becoming exhausted as she is your only Healer!
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Joshie0808
Also, he mentioned he couldnt afford runes yet so why are you telling him to buy Drok armor? If you cant afford a 1k (give or take 300g) rune of minor vigor or a 600g Survivor insignia, then theres no way you can pay 1.5k + materials PER piece of armor at droks.. and then theres the Drok run as well.
I agree, as the stone summit Dwarves are a bit more challenging as a first time player. My first character was an Elementalist and those guys could take me out in several hits.
Also, try different combinations of henchmen, or if you have a guild, ask a guildmate to help you out. Tho.. preferably guildmates of a similar level, haha. You shouldnt let someone else do all the work for you 
and that wont help you play better anyways.
I agree, as the stone summit Dwarves are a bit more challenging as a first time player. My first character was an Elementalist and those guys could take me out in several hits.
Also, try different combinations of henchmen, or if you have a guild, ask a guildmate to help you out. Tho.. preferably guildmates of a similar level, haha. You shouldnt let someone else do all the work for you and that wont help you play better anyways.
populationcontrol
i disagree i find having max armor at begining of the game an advantage not otherwise, especially if you like doing pvp in ascalon arena (where literally everyone has max droks or 15k max armor and people used to even bring elite spells). im merely suggesting to get droks armor and return to begining level up missions with the advantage of better armor and energy.
besides i know for a fact that most people here get max 15k armor through runs, i dont think getting max armor disadvantages u in any way, in fact it makes it easier to progress
besides i know for a fact that most people here get max 15k armor through runs, i dont think getting max armor disadvantages u in any way, in fact it makes it easier to progress
Isileth
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i disagree i find having max armor at begining of the game an advantage not otherwise, especially if you like doing pvp in ascalon arena (where literally everyone has max droks or 15k max armor and people used to even bring elite spells). im merely suggesting to get droks armor and return to begining level up missions with the advantage of better armor and energy.
besides i know for a fact that most people here get max 15k armor through runs, i dont think getting max armor disadvantages u in any way, in fact it makes it easier to progress |
Someone who plays through the game normally will come out a better player than someone who skips ahead to make the game easy for themseleves. The droks run is really only useful to those who have already completed the game and dont want to have to play through the campaign again.
Also the first time through the game is always the best, if you cheapen it for yourself its not something you can get back.
populationcontrol
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No one is doubting it gives you an advantage. Infact therein lies the problem.
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besides in pvp at least even in ascalon arena having max armor is no longer a luxury but a common standard
Isileth
My point is when you have a huge advantage like that, you can be a bad play and it doesnt show as much. You can run ahead and aggro and not die, you can use bad skills and still take a beating. You dont learn to improve as much as someone who is actually being challenged.
populationcontrol
at that point in the game doesnt really matter skillwise, the game will catch up with you as you advance.
Isileth
Its a good chunk of the game, and for a new player its right during the time you are starting to form builds and get to understand your role. Obviousely its down to the person in question but its something I would strongly advise against as a new player.
Age
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i disagree i find having max armor at begining of the game an advantage not otherwise, especially if you like doing pvp in ascalon arena (where literally everyone has max droks or 15k max armor and people used to even bring elite spells). im merely suggesting to get droks armor and return to begining level up missions with the advantage of better armor and energy.
besides i know for a fact that most people here get max 15k armor through runs, i dont think getting max armor disadvantages u in any way, in fact it makes it easier to progress |
populationcontrol
wars as i understand it are heavily reliant on their armor. frankly i dont hink anyone bothers buying ascalonian armor (slightly better than presearing, not even good agains char). for the missions hes at to reallly have at least decen protection hed need desert or lions armor.
ps. you can also get max armor from collectors, its not as flashy and armor part collectors arent in the same place. must be a trip to get but im sure theres guides on the web.
ps. you can also get max armor from collectors, its not as flashy and armor part collectors arent in the same place. must be a trip to get but im sure theres guides on the web.
redant751
Prophecies collectors max armor is a major pain to get ; any one I see with prophecies collectors max armor has my respect. The Items needed are hard to get and some of the locations of the collectors are just insane. I have warrior and Ranger prophecies max collectors armor and I can tell you it was a major chore to get.
Age
@ populationcontrol.
Warrior aren't heavily reliant on their armour unless want to sit there and tank which is not effective of being a Warrior.You won't be doing mass amounts of damage only the Ele will.Ascalon armour AL 50 is good enough to beat the game with if you want it.The only reason for Droks armour is that when you ascended you get your maxed out armour and go pvp at the Halls of heroes formerly the Topk.There is nothing wrong with Ascalon armour.You can upgrade at Stingray Stand now and that is the same as Amnoon.
Warriors are more reliant on Monks more so than armour.Castor's can use more armour than Warriors as you have an absorption rune.
Warrior aren't heavily reliant on their armour unless want to sit there and tank which is not effective of being a Warrior.You won't be doing mass amounts of damage only the Ele will.Ascalon armour AL 50 is good enough to beat the game with if you want it.The only reason for Droks armour is that when you ascended you get your maxed out armour and go pvp at the Halls of heroes formerly the Topk.There is nothing wrong with Ascalon armour.You can upgrade at Stingray Stand now and that is the same as Amnoon.
Warriors are more reliant on Monks more so than armour.Castor's can use more armour than Warriors as you have an absorption rune.