Whenever there is talk that a certain event sucked - the lovely guys at A.net (well a gal actually) drop(s) the same old question:
"The events aren't necessary and we don't need to do them! Now - would you rather have them OR not?"
And of course as every normal consumer - If we can get something for free we take it - we'd always say that we'd rather have boring events (with the possibility of a good one!) then nothing!
(Yes I am aware that one can not like all events, and I really don't have a problem with that - there are 2 events I like - the AFK games and double (or is it triple?) drop rate of greens! The rest doesn't interest me - but i have no problem with others attending them or liking them. BUT they are still boring to me - hence the usage of the word!)
And that kind of thinking is very nice - as long as it doesn't have any drawbacks! And currently - there is once silly little persistent drawback that is magnified during the weekends!
The lag become unbearable!
There are problems during the week also - but it seems that it seems this gets multiplied during the weekend! Now - i am aware that more players have time to play so the events can't be only to blame - BUT if the events are being executed every weekend - that means that A.net has to have some data which make the weekends worthwhile in terms of attracting enough players. And I am fully aware that a game like GW NEEDS players to stay interested - and this is a good way to do it - if it works!
But currently - the drawbacks - constant lagging, disconnects, not being able to enter certain outposts ARE FAR GREATER then the bonus some of us get from the weekend!
So in light of that - might I propose that the weekend events are discontinued until the GWEN preview OR until the issues are fixed (depending on which one is sooner of course!)?
Because the weekend events aren't something one looks forward but they are starting to become something one dreads as they are rarely interesting AND the the impact they have is mostly negative!
Thanks!
(This of course is based on the assumption that the problem is connected with the amount of people playing and the assumption that the events actually bring in some players! If it's false - I'd love to be corrected on it!)
How about - NO more weekend events until the GWEN preview?
upier
Exoudeous
SO people that play lag free have to not get events because some otehrs get lag?
I dont thinks so.
I dont thinks so.
mr_groovy
I don't think the lag was coming from the share mass of people joining in events, but the mishap at the Frankfurt data center. Thursday I was lagging with an average of 60000 ms. This weekend it was virtually no lag. So no thx, let's keep the events rolling.
ps Gaile can we have a double LB and Sunspearpoints weekend? I still have some titles to max out
ps Gaile can we have a double LB and Sunspearpoints weekend? I still have some titles to max out
Jamison0071
I do love the weekend events, please don't stop them! I really enjoyed the triple green weekends (hint hint elona). Sadly with the last elona green weekend, it was about a week after a release and I was barely off the noob island. I hope to see it again before GW:EN.
Seissor
I live on the other side of the planet, if I lag during weekends its usually not for too long.
Sometimes people get heavy lag and blame event, anet server, there isp etc. I found after running antispyware material, defragging that GW runs with alot less lag.
I dont think ending event weekends will really solve the lag issue. I dont doubt the weekends cause lag sometimes within their own domain but it wouldnt affect EVERY aspect of the game.
EG. Log in, go to RA, ping reads 34 000 MS took me like 1-2 mins to go to RA. YIKES! Go to LA, Kaineng, play all night PvE, not one little bounce of lag. So the event is probably not making other aspects of the game lag, but would perhaps affect periodically the event target itself.
Sometimes people get heavy lag and blame event, anet server, there isp etc. I found after running antispyware material, defragging that GW runs with alot less lag.
I dont think ending event weekends will really solve the lag issue. I dont doubt the weekends cause lag sometimes within their own domain but it wouldnt affect EVERY aspect of the game.
EG. Log in, go to RA, ping reads 34 000 MS took me like 1-2 mins to go to RA. YIKES! Go to LA, Kaineng, play all night PvE, not one little bounce of lag. So the event is probably not making other aspects of the game lag, but would perhaps affect periodically the event target itself.
Lonesamurai
Posted last night:
and no, keep the events coming, not everyone is having lag
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freekedoutfish
The recent lag was caused by issues with some german connection or something.
I think your thinking of "festivals" which are much grander things and attract much more attention. And the last one was a complete hash because it lasted 2 days instead of a week.
This means hundreds of players in one location rushing to take part, instead of spanning it accross days.
"Events" are usually fine because not everyone is bothered about them. Events are specialised things that a select part of the community are interested in, such as double faction in PvP.
But without events players would get bored and move on, and maybe not come back. Anet doesnt want to loose its fan-base during the months before GW:ENs release.
I think your thinking of "festivals" which are much grander things and attract much more attention. And the last one was a complete hash because it lasted 2 days instead of a week.
This means hundreds of players in one location rushing to take part, instead of spanning it accross days.
"Events" are usually fine because not everyone is bothered about them. Events are specialised things that a select part of the community are interested in, such as double faction in PvP.
But without events players would get bored and move on, and maybe not come back. Anet doesnt want to loose its fan-base during the months before GW:ENs release.
White knight lord
I personally like the Holiday events but the weekends such as 3X the normal drop rate kinda ruin the whole "market" of GW (if i may) becuase it just fills the market with a surplus of the same goods in which no one can make profit and people exhaust the weekends by setting up bots or over farming and there is no value in items that they farm for that the certain weekend benifited and in turns some people mad or upset they can't make any money from the time they put into farming. So all in all keep the Holiday events (even though people try and exploit each other on the holiday items) but cut back on the triple drop weekends spare the eco a little please 
. Just my take on this topic.
. Just my take on this topic.
BenjZee
festivals generally cause alot of lag but not the weekend events. Especially this time when they had network problems
i dont see why they should stop the events, its just an extra bit of fun and rewards. like many things they dont have to actually do this BUT they want to. What's your problem with extra rewards, there isnt any negative aspects ofa weekend event really
i dont see why they should stop the events, its just an extra bit of fun and rewards. like many things they dont have to actually do this BUT they want to. What's your problem with extra rewards, there isnt any negative aspects ofa weekend event really
Lonesamurai
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I personally like the Holiday events but the weekends such as 3X the normal drop rate kinda ruin the whole "market" of GW (if i may) becuase it just fills the market with a surplus of the same goods in which no one can make profit and people exhaust the weekends by setting up bots or over farming and there is no value in items that they farm for that the certain weekend benifited and in turns some people mad or upset they can't make any money from the time they put into farming. So all in all keep the Holiday events (even though people try and exploit each other on the holiday items) but cut back on the triple drop weekends spare the eco a little please . Just my take on this topic.
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Cebe
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I would be perfectly happy if there were no more weekend events until GW:EN. I have a lot to do readying my characters for the new expansion...and when there is a PvE weekend event I feel compelled to attend it. PvP events however, I don't care about, as i tend not to attend those...but I could easily live without events until the release of GW:EN.
I would be perfectly happy if there were no more weekend events until GW:EN. I have a lot to do readying my characters for the new expansion...and when there is a PvE weekend event I feel compelled to attend it. PvP events however, I don't care about, as i tend not to attend those...but I could easily live without events until the release of GW:EN.
Synles Chyld
keep em coming i can seem to get enuff i wish my weekends were 5 days long then maybe id be able to get my funs worth out of my weekends but as is im always left wanting more more more so plz if anything ...KEEP 'EM COMING !!!
Thunder79
deprive those unaffected of stuff they enjoy...that seems to be a common theme lately.
Keep the weekend events coming...they are fun.
Keep the weekend events coming...they are fun.
Lord Feathers
The weekend events are fun and I have enjoyed them myself. I say keep the weekend and special events coming !!!
It's nice for those of us that work to be able to do something niftty on the weekend.
It's nice for those of us that work to be able to do something niftty on the weekend.
bilateralrope
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SO people that play lag free have to not get events because some otehrs get lag?
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Besides its always fun to try and guess what ANET will come up with for the next weekend.
upier
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The weekend events are fun and I have enjoyed them myself. I say keep the weekend and special events coming !!!
It's nice for those of us that work to be able to do something nifty on the weekend. |
I am only talking about stuff like - double points, double drops, double whatever. The talk is only about stuff that can be done every day - so if one enjoys it - once can do it on a Monday or a Saturday. The only difference is that on a Monday you get a 1 point (5% chance of getting something) and on Saturday one gets 2 points (10% chance). (of course the numbers are completely made up and offer just for a more visual presentation!)
The only point was - since the weekends are the time the most people (that i know of) are having the most lag-related issues - and since there isn't much the users can do about it - if they feel that dropping the double weekend events MIGHT help - I am willing to make that sacrifice!
Clearly I am not doing this out of the kindness of my heart - I want a lag-free game that I am used to! But this is something I can give away without making my gaming experience any worse - if it helps them.
If the problem can't be lessened with this - then keep the events!
It was just me trying to think of something pro-active rather then just make another "OMG!!1 I lagged so badly I couldn't interrupt a MS!1!1! FIX IT!11!! NOW!11!!!"-thread - so I offered this for discussion!
MrTickle
I'd welcome a double SS & LB weekend before EotN
freekedoutfish
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I don't know if I was clear enough - since I don't see anything special up to GWEN preview event - as in a festival or something else that would take much preparation - so events like that are out of the discussion here.
I am only talking about stuff like - double points, double drops, double whatever. The talk is only about stuff that can be done every day - so if one enjoys it - once can do it on a Monday or a Saturday. The only difference is that on a Monday you get a 1 point (5% chance of getting something) and on Saturday one gets 2 points (10% chance). (of course the numbers are completely made up and offer just for a more visual presentation!) The only point was - since the weekends are the time the most people (that i know of) are having the most lag-related issues - and since there isn't much the users can do about it - if they feel that dropping the double weekend events MIGHT help - I am willing to make that sacrifice! Clearly I am not doing this out of the kindness of my heart - I want a lag-free game that I am used to! But this is something I can give away without making my gaming experience any worse - if it helps them. If the problem can't be lessened with this - then keep the events! It was just me trying to think of something pro-active rather then just make another "OMG!!1 I lagged so badly I couldn't interrupt a MS!1!1! FIX IT!11!! NOW!11!!!"-thread - so I offered this for discussion! |
How would we then fix that lag?
And what about after GW:EN? should we put the events back in or keep them out?
This wont fix lag for everyone, and it might not even be the cause of lag.
Cassandra Tanacel
Keep events please! And yes a Lightbringer weekend would be welcome!
With regards to the lag - my guildies jump onto the international server - nowhere near as bad as the european lag at the moment
With regards to the lag - my guildies jump onto the international server - nowhere near as bad as the european lag at the moment
Redfeather1975
Wait is this a proposal to stop the weekend events so that less people want to play to help reduce lag for those are are experiencing it?
That sounds like a weird suggestion!
That sounds like a weird suggestion!
Cacheelma
What lag?
And why should your personal dilemma affect my gameplay experience?
And why should your personal dilemma affect my gameplay experience?
upier
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The main point is that it wouldnt remove lag from the game. Even if they removed any events or festivals until GW:EN preview or full game, you will still have some people getting lag.
How would we then fix that lag? And what about after GW:EN? should we put the events back in or keep them out? This wont fix lag for everyone, and it might not even be the cause of lag. |
If they know this won't change anything - then well I was wrong. Like I said in my first post - it's based on an assumption. Since strangely now I have absolutely no lag - and strangely, my FL is almost empty. So are the towns.
It seems to me that the servers aren't able to deal with the huge amount of players logging in. And it feels strange to me - that if that is the case - that A.net would encourage MORE people logging in - UNLESS of course - the amount of players playing has NOTHING to do with lag!
(That of course means that we can also stop 3/4 of the bot threads here since the main reason why so many people are against them is because they cause lag!)
If they are having problems with huge amounts of players being online at the same time - maybe they should be just happy with their weekday turnout instead of wanting moremoremore!
BUT like I said - this is my view on the lag and what might be causing it - but then again - I am no expert in this field and if I am wrong I have no problems being told so! We live to learn!
Dione Davore
@OP
Stupid idea.
If something is there for free you either like it or not.
Play it or you don't.
You can't make the choice for all those who like it.
Stupid idea.
If something is there for free you either like it or not.
Play it or you don't.
You can't make the choice for all those who like it.
Aerian_Skybane
Um, how bout no. They are optional, they are fun when I do them, and I didn't lag at all on my crappy computer.
Oh wait I did a little last nite, but it was def my ISP because they are jerks and limit bandwidth during a thunderstorm (jerks).
Oh wait I did a little last nite, but it was def my ISP because they are jerks and limit bandwidth during a thunderstorm (jerks).
upier
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@OP
Stupid idea. If something is there for free you either like it or not. Play it or you don't. You can't make the choice for all those who like it. |
Some of us are "paying" for it with lag. And disconnects.
That is the reason why I asked this question and it wasn't if the events should stay or not - it was IF the events are causing lag (at least partially) - would you like them to stay? (for the time being - until they sort it out!)
And it seems that the majority of players (if not all) who peeked into this thread seem fine with paying with lag (or are fine with certain people paying with lag) for the events!
That's all i wanted to know actually.
(Once again - this being based on the assumption that the massive amount of players participating in the events IS causing a strain on the servers! If that isn't the case - like stated a few times before - then there is actually no dilemma!)
Hyper.nl
Don't go blame or hurt the events, fix the lag instead. And for me it's fixed. No more lag since dragon festival weekend.
SpeedyKQ
The problem is lag, then, and not the events.
The idea of requesting Anet to stop making the game so much fun, so fewer people will play, is pretty absurd. I can think of all kinds of creative ways to make less people want to play, if that is the goal.
The idea of requesting Anet to stop making the game so much fun, so fewer people will play, is pretty absurd. I can think of all kinds of creative ways to make less people want to play, if that is the goal.
Moa Bird Cultist
GW is equally prone to being fail during the week too. You just don't notice it as much 'cause we're all working or at school, etc. I agree with what most people are saying - keep the events, they are a nice little distraction that keeps interest in the game high. Although, I somewhat understand where celestial is coming from, they can be a real pain when you've previously planned otherwise of a weekend. I haven't had a decent farming weekend in months for one reason or another.
redant751
/not signed
I enjoy the weekend events, if you are experiencing lag talk to your I.S.P.
I have not experienced lag in months.
Just out of curiosity where are you located.
I enjoy the weekend events, if you are experiencing lag talk to your I.S.P.
I have not experienced lag in months.
Just out of curiosity where are you located.
Dallcingi
Agree, toss events please.... before the RA event, I had green dot and got 2 glad points... (actually this was like 3 hours before the event) and when I logged on later at night for some double fun (or so I thought) massive lag kicks in making it unplayable. I play for like a few minutes and get tired of it and quit. RAge quit at that... and then I did this about 5 more times the entire weekend, my biggest streak only like 4.... now, this morning, I have no lag at all yet again! but now the double faction is gone..... how messed up that is. Why dont they just extend it like the little dragon festival..... since I bet no one could have played in that massive lag. But hey, im just saying that, I don't really want an extended RA event cause thats just lame.
And in my case, its not the i.s.p.'s fault, it's actually guild wars' fault. why? I played and enjoyed CS and warcraft 3 lag free. And I haven't experienced lag in GW in months either, heck even an entire year! (besides the fact when I used to have dial up still =p) it just kicked in last week. I would enjoy the events if there wasn't any lag though but it just ticks me off.
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Navaros
Just because some people are drowning (metaphorically speaking) due to lag it doesn't make it "okay" or "make things better" to make everyone else drown with them.
The suggestion in the thread title - which is equivalent to "Make everyone drown together!" - is ludicrous.
The suggestion in the thread title - which is equivalent to "Make everyone drown together!" - is ludicrous.
thor hammerbane
I lag, but i still want these events. to be honest, my lag wasn't that bad over the weekend; it wasn't worse than my regular lag. Thanks to the event, I got my first glad rank, and im on my way to getting my second 
Levi Garett
No lag here and I'm enjoying all the non-pvp events.
Dr Strangelove
So... you're unhappy with the events therefore no one should get to enjoy them.
Right.
Right.
HayesA
Oh go cry elseware; because i believe most of use enjoy these fun little weekends. I know I do; yes even the pvp ones. Because I go to RA, and read the chat. It's funny reading everyone whine about balences, and she said he said.
Lag? Sure, I had a little bit. But I EXPECT lag when I play ANY online game. Why? Because I know what needs to be done for your message in chat to be displayed to everyone. I know how connections are supposed to work.
First, i'd liek to say: your connection doesn't go directly to anet servers. hoooooo no, sir! First it has to go to your local isp's routing servers. Then, to the next routing server (called a hop.) From there, more hops? Then hits the anet servers. From there, your packet gets processed, and sends out to every one in yur party, or in town. That's quite a bit of traffic!
So, it really could be anything holding up the connection; some hop somewhere being retarded, or, actually, the anet servers are under such a load, it just slows down. Which is understandible, seeing that how many billiion connections it handles in an hour? Probably a lot. Any servers would cry.
So, finally, stop whing about lag. Be thankful you're not pinging 10,000ms/s ALL the time. Then that's a pretty big problem.
So, wah wah wah. lag is so mean to mes. wah wah wah.
Pff.
Lag? Sure, I had a little bit. But I EXPECT lag when I play ANY online game. Why? Because I know what needs to be done for your message in chat to be displayed to everyone. I know how connections are supposed to work.
First, i'd liek to say: your connection doesn't go directly to anet servers. hoooooo no, sir! First it has to go to your local isp's routing servers. Then, to the next routing server (called a hop.) From there, more hops? Then hits the anet servers. From there, your packet gets processed, and sends out to every one in yur party, or in town. That's quite a bit of traffic!
So, it really could be anything holding up the connection; some hop somewhere being retarded, or, actually, the anet servers are under such a load, it just slows down. Which is understandible, seeing that how many billiion connections it handles in an hour? Probably a lot. Any servers would cry.
So, finally, stop whing about lag. Be thankful you're not pinging 10,000ms/s ALL the time. Then that's a pretty big problem.
So, wah wah wah. lag is so mean to mes. wah wah wah.
Pff.
HayesA
Oh go cry elseware; because i believe most of use enjoy these fun little weekends. I know I do; yes even the pvp ones. Because I go to RA, and read the chat. It's funny reading everyone whine about balences, and she said he said.
Lag? Sure, I had a little bit. But I EXPECT lag when I play ANY online game. Why? Because I know what needs to be done for your message in chat to be displayed to everyone. I know how connections are supposed to work.
First, i'd liek to say: your connection doesn't go directly to anet servers. hoooooo no, sir! First it has to go to your local isp's routing servers. Then, to the next routing server (called a hop.) From there, more hops? Then hits the anet servers. From there, your packet gets processed, and sends out to every one in yur party, or in town. That's quite a bit of traffic!
So, it really could be anything holding up the connection; some hop somewhere being retarded, or, actually, the anet servers are under such a load, it just slows down. Which is understandible, seeing that how many billiion connections it handles in an hour? Probably a lot. Any servers would cry.
So, finally, stop whing about lag. Be thankful you're not pinging 10,000ms/s ALL the time. Then that's a pretty big problem.
So, wah wah wah. lag is so mean to mes. wah wah wah.
Pff.
Lag? Sure, I had a little bit. But I EXPECT lag when I play ANY online game. Why? Because I know what needs to be done for your message in chat to be displayed to everyone. I know how connections are supposed to work.
First, i'd liek to say: your connection doesn't go directly to anet servers. hoooooo no, sir! First it has to go to your local isp's routing servers. Then, to the next routing server (called a hop.) From there, more hops? Then hits the anet servers. From there, your packet gets processed, and sends out to every one in yur party, or in town. That's quite a bit of traffic!
So, it really could be anything holding up the connection; some hop somewhere being retarded, or, actually, the anet servers are under such a load, it just slows down. Which is understandible, seeing that how many billiion connections it handles in an hour? Probably a lot. Any servers would cry.
So, finally, stop whing about lag. Be thankful you're not pinging 10,000ms/s ALL the time. Then that's a pretty big problem.
So, wah wah wah. lag is so mean to mes. wah wah wah.
Pff.
HayesA
Oh go cry elseware; because i believe most of use enjoy these fun little weekends. I know I do; yes even the pvp ones. Because I go to RA, and read the chat. It's funny reading everyone whine about balences, and she said he said.
Lag? Sure, I had a little bit. But I EXPECT lag when I play ANY online game. Why? Because I know what needs to be done for your message in chat to be displayed to everyone. I know how connections are supposed to work.
First, i'd liek to say: your connection doesn't go directly to anet servers. hoooooo no, sir! First it has to go to your local isp's routing servers. Then, to the next routing server (called a hop.) From there, more hops? Then hits the anet servers. From there, your packet gets processed, and sends out to every one in yur party, or in town. That's quite a bit of traffic!
So, it really could be anything holding up the connection; some hop somewhere being retarded, or, actually, the anet servers are under such a load, it just slows down. Which is understandible, seeing that how many billiion connections it handles in an hour? Probably a lot. Any servers would cry.
So, finally, stop whing about lag. Be thankful you're not pinging 10,000ms/s ALL the time. Then that's a pretty big problem.
So, wah wah wah. lag is so mean to mes. wah wah wah.
Pff.
Lag? Sure, I had a little bit. But I EXPECT lag when I play ANY online game. Why? Because I know what needs to be done for your message in chat to be displayed to everyone. I know how connections are supposed to work.
First, i'd liek to say: your connection doesn't go directly to anet servers. hoooooo no, sir! First it has to go to your local isp's routing servers. Then, to the next routing server (called a hop.) From there, more hops? Then hits the anet servers. From there, your packet gets processed, and sends out to every one in yur party, or in town. That's quite a bit of traffic!
So, it really could be anything holding up the connection; some hop somewhere being retarded, or, actually, the anet servers are under such a load, it just slows down. Which is understandible, seeing that how many billiion connections it handles in an hour? Probably a lot. Any servers would cry.
So, finally, stop whing about lag. Be thankful you're not pinging 10,000ms/s ALL the time. Then that's a pretty big problem.
So, wah wah wah. lag is so mean to mes. wah wah wah.
Pff.
HayesA
Wow, crap. Sorry for the... 9 posts? Holy crap. D:
White knight lord
The weekends are just a useless attempt to keep people in the game until they come out with something and well they work....The way i see it the x3 drop weekends ruin really any posibility of getting an item that is worth soemthing becuase more or less it have alerady been flooded in the market so if your trying to make money by selling stuff your SOL and buying items well people are too greedy so they charge rediculous amounts for crap which has been flooded into the market but samuri i guess you dont pay attention to the market.
tyche7
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I for one love most of the events (some I don't really care about but I know others that do so keep them all).
I for one love most of the events (some I don't really care about but I know others that do so keep them all).