Tribal Axe does not drop or spawn in max blue/purple/gold

Slic

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jun 2007

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The bug is simple: gold/purple Tribal Axes don't drop or spawn, even though I assume they should be (someone from Arena NET please correct me if I am wrong!). Even though a max-damage WHITE Tribal Axe can drop/spawn, no max-damage gold, purple (or even BLUE) has ever been known to exist.

I have no doubt that some of you may not think this belongs in a bug thread, but after trying (without success) to contact anet's customer service through email/ticket requests and not getting anything but automated or copy/pasted paragraphs, I have to conclude that it is.

In my opinion, this is to be classified a bug unless I can obtain a satisfactory answer to each of the following 3 questions:

1) Is it possible to obtain a max-damage inscribable/15^50 Tribal Axe off of a random drop from the mob in, say, Istan in Hard Mode? If yes, what is the approximate probability or relative rarity of such a drop?

2) Is it at all possible to obtain a max-damage, inscribable gold/purple/blue version of the Tribal Axe, either off of a drop or at least from the Hall of Heroes reward chest?

3) If the answer to both of the above questions is 'no', then what is the reason(s) why the Tribal Axe skin is unavailable to us players? Every other martial weapon skin in Guild Wars is available in a max-damage green/gold version (Sickle has Victo's Axe, etc, etc.). The Tribal Axe skin is the ONLY skin that you deny players full access to. Why?

I have done the following research about Tribal Axes and their drop/spawn rate (which, I assume, is supposed to be more than 0% for max-damage inscribables). Keep in mind that I did all of this after the advent of Hard Mode. I have spent over 550 hours in the last 2 months farming Tribal Axes in Istan on Hard Mode. I have asked over 100 different players if they have ever even SEEN a max-damage inscribable or 15^50 Tribal Axe. All of them answered no. I have also checked every Guild Wars forum I know of and Googled it using half a dozen different queries every single day, sifting through the same 500+ search results every single day. Nobody seems to have a max-damage, inscribable/15^50 version of the Tribal Axe weapon skin.

I would appreciate it if someone like a GM or a person from the Guild Wars dev team would be so kind as to speak to me about this. I would really like a resolution to this dilemma, or at least a max-damage inscribable Tribal Axe in my storage.

KelemvorOAK

KelemvorOAK

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Oct 2006

Order of Ascalonian Knights

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Max damage blue Tribal Axe:

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/auction/auctiondetails.php?itemname=MAX%20REQ%209%20TRIBAL %20AXE!!!!!!!!!!!!&id=523532

they exist... just rare.

Slic

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jun 2007

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That is not a blue Tribal Axe. He modded it with +5 armor, but it originally dropped as max white. You can tell because if it was blue it would have a price (people use ID kits on blues/purples/golds, and any decent blue on up usually has an inscription slot or some sort of damage mod).

onerabbit

onerabbit

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Mar 2006

Thanks to all the guru [mods]

+ a blue wouldnt have a perfect mod .. Lol .. 50k LOL

Slic

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jun 2007

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By the way, even if there does exist a max blue inscribable Tribal Axe, (and after 2 months of looking I doubt that I will be proven wrong) my argument still stands because purple/gold Tribal Axes do not.

SnipiousMax

SnipiousMax

Perfectly Elocuted

Join Date: Sep 2005

Just incrediblly rare. It's not a bug if it's a funciton of statistics.

SnipiousMax

SnipiousMax

Perfectly Elocuted

Join Date: Sep 2005

Reopened and moved. Figured the thread would get more traffic here.

6am3 Fana71c

6am3 Fana71c

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Oct 2006

Uhmm...Dude, just let it go. Who cares about that axe? It is ugly as hell and plus there is a lot of better axes out there. Only thing is, it is rare and valuable but it is SO rare that it isn't even worth farming it. So, screw it.

P.S. I got several Tribal Axes while farming Minister Cho's Estate (explorable) on HM. And I am 100% sure that some blue Tribal Axe droped, I think it was 11%>50 or something. I sold 'em all to merchant. Pieces of crap if you ask me.

Slic

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jun 2007

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I don't care what anyone else thinks, it is my favorite axe skin in the game and I intend to get it, even if it KILLS me. And when it comes down to it I am curious as to WHY anet would deny full access to just this one particular skin. Why deny players the tribal axe skin, why not deny them something else?

And yes, I am aware that blue inscribable/modded tribal axes drop. If you read my post you will see that I am arguing that the drop/spawn rate for MAX blue/purple/gold Tribal Axes is 0% and that there is no evidence to prove otherwise. Since there is currently no way to disprove my theory, it must be true and this must be a bug.

I dare someone to prove me wrong. Add my IGN (Bogatyr Slic) and PM me. Show me a max-damage inscribable Tribal Axe.

ichigo_panty

ichigo_panty

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Nov 2006

Exiled And Forsaken[EnF]

Unlock them via PvP.
I think they are just too rare.

masta_yoda

masta_yoda

Banned

Join Date: Feb 2007

most hated players in the [game]

R/Mo

agree above ^ unlock thru pvp, maxed inscribable and dyeable but not sellable :P

Slic

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jun 2007

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I am aware they can be unlocked in PvP, but the reason i started farming them is because I just want one for my PvE warrior...

EDIT: The reason I originally started this thread is because I think the fact that no max-damage blue/purple/gold Tribal Axes drop is a bug. By that I mean that they are simply excluded from the drop tables in the game. If this is the case (and I hope that someone from anet can confirm or deny this theory), only anet's developers can help me get what I am after.

Slabby

Slabby

Forge Runner

Join Date: Feb 2006

Belgium

[SCAR]

I have an inscribable tyrian Trible Axe sitting in my storage, rotting away.
Too bad it's only 5-23

So they DO exist.

Killer Force Ninja

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Sep 2006

they can be farmed in ascalon max but no inscript so you have to be lucky to get one with 15^50^^ (hm)

Slic

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jun 2007

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Killer Force Ninja
they can be farmed in ascalon max but no inscript so you have to be lucky to get one with 15^50^^ (hm) I'd like to see a max-damage blue/purple/gold Tribal Axe WITH A DAMAGE MOD on it. Sorry to sound cynical, but I can almost guarantee that you don't have one and that you mis-read my post. Add me and PM me in-game (Bogatyr Slic) if you DO have one.

royal mercenary

royal mercenary

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Dec 2006

Glob Of Ectospasm [GoE]

Me/Rt

or aren t they exchangeable at a weaponsmith?
didn t searched yet but still...
maybe worth looking?

royal mercenary

royal mercenary

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Dec 2006

Glob Of Ectospasm [GoE]

Me/Rt

or aren t they exchangeable at a weaponsmith?
didn t searched yet but still...
maybe worth looking?

Killer Force Ninja

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Sep 2006

i dont have the max tribal anymore but this droped today

Killer Force Ninja

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Sep 2006



(screens are in german ^^)

Killer Force Ninja

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Sep 2006

sry but it is in german

Slic

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jun 2007

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See? Like I said, max-damage inscribable and/or purple/gold Tribal Axes seem to be absent from the drop table for mob in GW. Let's hope anet is nice enough to fix this, or at least explain to us WHY they are purposely keeping this great axe skin away from everyone.

Pititis

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Apr 2007

Welcome To PvP[Newb]

Quote:
Originally Posted by masta_yoda
agree above ^ unlock thru pvp, maxed inscribable and dyeable but not sellable :P I can't dye mine. (PvE dye can't be applied and through PvP Equipment Panel that's not working.)

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ShadowsRequiem

ShadowsRequiem

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Oct 2005

Inde is Smoking [Hawt] *ToA*

W/E

max blue inscript ones have been sold on high end

15^50
20/20 and +30

go dig around if you want, that is if the auction has not already been deleted

ps these axes are fulgy as hell

urania

urania

Forge Runner

Join Date: Apr 2006

vD

Mo/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Slabby
I have an inscribable tyrian Trible Axe sitting in my storage, rotting away.
Too bad it's only 5-23

So they DO exist. it can still be used as a caster weapon (;

6am3 Fana71c

6am3 Fana71c

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Oct 2006

I was watching a HOH battle via observer last night, there was a necromancer from guild Girls Just Wanna Have [Fun] that was in obsidian armor with black tribal axe.
But FFS I can't see why are you so obsessed with that axe, it is so ugly that...aww, forget it. GG on wasting your time.

Tab

Tab

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Oct 2006

Under a bridge

Team Quitter [QQ]

Mo/

Quote:
Originally Posted by 6am3 Fana71c
I was watching a HOH battle via observer last night, there was a necromancer from guild Girls Just Wanna Have [Fun] that was in obsidian armor with black tribal axe.
But FFS I can't see why are you so obsessed with that axe, it is so ugly that...aww, forget it. GG on wasting your time. Probably unlocked with PvP reward points.

urania

urania

Forge Runner

Join Date: Apr 2006

vD

Mo/

Quote:
Originally Posted by ibreaktoilets
Probably unlocked with PvP reward points. they cant be dyed black.

it was most likely a non max inscribable pve version.

Slic

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jun 2007

W/

Quote:
Originally Posted by ShadowsRequiem
max blue inscript ones have been sold on high end

15^50
20/20 and +30

go dig around if you want, that is if the auction has not already been deleted

ps these axes are fulgy as hell I HAVE been digging around on high-end for the last month. If you're basing this off of one thread (Blade Mythos), I believe he had blue, non-inscrip and his thread was banned anyway. Every other high-end thread about it are max white Tribal Axes with 20/20 and 30hp or near-max Tribal Axes with 15^50, 20/20, 30hp. I have yet to see a max inscribable Tribal Axe in high-end.

Jason Xll

Jason Xll

Banned

Join Date: Sep 2005

Ice Tooth Cave

W/Mo

I am certain blue, max inscribable tribal axes exist, I have seen them both in PC and High end on more than one accasion. I agree however that purple or gold ones havn't dropped although some players claim to have one...

Elnai

Elnai

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jul 2006

Top Rating Loss Guild 5/25

Maybe.. I don't really know.

R/

They're rare, get over it. Go farm for 1000 hours and then realize you aren't gonna get exactly what you want.

I'm sure that anet is aware that the axe 99.99/100 times won't drop. Please don't come here and cry ITS A BUG ITS A BUG ITS A BUG.

Slic

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jun 2007

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Enlai: I am certain they are excluded from drop tables. Otherwise, one of the thousands (and that is a very modest estimate) of hardcore farmers in GW would have had one by now. I do not believe anet is aware of this because the whole issue with Tribal Axes never got classified as a bug and never reached the eyes of a GM (again, someone from anet PLEASE correct me if I am wrong!).

Jason: The only Tribal Axes i ever saw in PC/high-end were max-damage whites or almost-max (6-26, 6-27) inscribable blues. Please provide links, Google cached pages, or SOMETHING, if I am wrong.

Like I said before, I will believe it when I see it, and so far my theory has not been disproven.

Elnai

Elnai

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jul 2006

Top Rating Loss Guild 5/25

Maybe.. I don't really know.

R/

lmfao, your theory that its a bug?

Slic

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jun 2007

W/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Elnai
lmfao, your theory that its a bug? Prove me wrong. Prove that my theory that it is a bug is wrong, misinformed and irrational. Have someone show me a max-damage, inscribable Tribal Axe. My IGN is Bogatyr Slic, add me and PM me.

Jason Xll

Jason Xll

Banned

Join Date: Sep 2005

Ice Tooth Cave

W/Mo

I've been around on Guru for much longer than you and I know I've seen at least one max damage inscribable blue tribal axe. Frankly i can't be assed to waste my time searching for the thread just to prove you wrong when i know I'm right and other members have said they have seen one. Yes they are rare and I'm pretty sure the Anet staff has better things to do so close to the release of a new expansion than change the drop probabilty of a skin that you like.

Elnai

Elnai

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jul 2006

Top Rating Loss Guild 5/25

Maybe.. I don't really know.

R/

Let me put it into easy terms:

Accept the fact that there is still a really rare skin. There's no argument on your side other than you not accepting it.

Snow Bunny

Snow Bunny

Alcoholic From Yale

Join Date: Jul 2007

Strong Foreign Policy [sFp]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Killer Force Ninja
they can be farmed in ascalon max but no inscript so you have to be lucky to get one with 15^50^^ (hm) Read the wiki statement. There is no recorded max 15^50/inscribable tribal ever.
to get one would be the equivalent of a 15% unconditional.
If you get one....I will buy it :P

Slic

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jun 2007

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Sorry, after 2 months there is still no proof against my theory. If you've read my beginning post in this thread, you will see that I have searched not only through Guru but through all of Google's results every single day and have not found anything. I'm going to have to go with 'it's a bug', unless there is factual evidence stating otherwise.

As for anet being too troubled to change the drop probability for this axe, i'd have to say its surprisingly easy to modify drop statistics for the Guild Wars engine, as evidenced by double dye drop weekends and what not. In fact, when that weekend ended they changed the dye drop rates back WITHOUT forcing us to download an update. They can change drop rates ON THE FLY.

Snow Bunny

Snow Bunny

Alcoholic From Yale

Join Date: Jul 2007

Strong Foreign Policy [sFp]

mmmm....how many times did you get a gold cryst drop in UW? Or purple now or whatever....isn't that the same thing at this point?

So maybe the drop rate isn't a bug...it's just rare...rare to a ridiculous extent that is...unheardof.

Slic

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jun 2007

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Jason, BOTH of those posts are referring to Blade Mythos. I have spoken of his case in the earlier posts of this thread, he is not valid evidence at this point. AFAIK, he got banned for violating forum guidelines, and yes, somebody WAS offering him 70K and his s/b was 100K. However, upon further research, I believe his blue Tribal Axe was either:

1) A white one that he modded with furious 10/10 and 30hp

2) A blue one, but without an inscription slot.

All signs point to #1 being the most likely possibility. Regardless of speculation, however, there is STILL no proof that he EVER had a max blue inscribable Tribal Axe because he never proved it by showing it to someone in-game. And unfortunately, I was unable to get a hold of him outside the forums in order to see if his axe was, in fact, max and inscribable.

He is the ONLY case that I have EVER seen on guru that MIGHT have been a max inscribable Tribal Axe. My theory still stands; this is a bug. Be it intentional or not, max-damage Tribal Axes with a damage modifier or inscription slot are excluded from GW's drop table.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Snow Bunny
mmmm....how many times did you get a gold cryst drop in UW? Or purple now or whatever....isn't that the same thing at this point?

So maybe the drop rate isn't a bug...it's just rare...rare to a ridiculous extent that is...unheardof. I'm pretty sure that, after about a month or less of the Crystalline Sword skin being added to the drop tables, somebody (probably more than just someBODY) already found a gold one. Just look at Reavers (i.e., Mallyx's Reaver skin). Not even a week went by after the skin was added and somebody already found a gold version of it from an HoH chest.

Tribal Axes, on the other hand, have been around ever since prophecies was released, and there has NEVER been a max Tribal Axe that is inscribable or 15^50. It's absurd to think that its that rare; the computer's decimal precision probably cannot go that low, even for doubles! That leaves only one other possibility, that certain version of the Tribal Axe ARE, in fact, excluded from the drop table.