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Please bring back the english districts!!!
European English District
Steboy93
vergerefosh
I play on the American so it doesn't really affect me, but aren't the international districts common districts really? Since they're common to everyone and everyone can access them?
So why not bring back English districts and have international as common ones?
So why not bring back English districts and have international as common ones?
Kinn
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having an English district where people mostly spoke English was good and made the game nice and friendly to English peop-WHAT THE HELL WERE YOU THINKING ANET??????
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having an English district where people mostly spoke English was good and made the game nice and friendly to English peop-WHAT THE HELL WERE YOU THINKING ANET??????
brosse
It's pretty obvious WHY Anet renamed it: Most people in the English districts didn't have English as their native language. Common districts is a more logical name.
It's not like you never saw anyone speak Dutch or Portuguese in the old English districts. And I haven't really seen a big difference so far.
But personally I couldn't care less, as long as Anet doesn't split it into a "common" and "english" district. We really don't want more districts with fewer people. But if it makes you nationalistic people happy to have 7 other letters at the top of your district, be my guest.
It's not like you never saw anyone speak Dutch or Portuguese in the old English districts. And I haven't really seen a big difference so far.
But personally I couldn't care less, as long as Anet doesn't split it into a "common" and "english" district. We really don't want more districts with fewer people. But if it makes you nationalistic people happy to have 7 other letters at the top of your district, be my guest.
Abnaxus
/signed of course.
To me, X-district is the district in which you go and expect to read and speak la language X.
If someone speaks german or french in italian district, he/she is soon invited to speak italian and don't spam (or worst).
Calling them "common" invites anyone to use his/her mother language, creating the same Babel there was before language separation.
Difficult to understand the motivation of this decision taken by A.net.
To me, X-district is the district in which you go and expect to read and speak la language X.
If someone speaks german or french in italian district, he/she is soon invited to speak italian and don't spam (or worst).
Calling them "common" invites anyone to use his/her mother language, creating the same Babel there was before language separation.
Difficult to understand the motivation of this decision taken by A.net.
Isileth
A lot of people seem to be taking this as if English speakers have a huge problem with foreign players. If you had the district of your language suddenly shared with 5+ other languages at the same time, you would start to see that it doesnt work.
We cant understand them, they cant understand us, they cant understand some of the others. What is the benefit? When I team with players I want to be able to talk to them. Players will still seperate themselves within that district by language simply because they cant communicate with those of a different language.
All it does is put more people in the same district. However even with more it doesnt increase the ammount of players you can actually play with. It just makes finding teams harder, trading harder. Even having a conversation becomes a lot harder.
I dont quite see how this complaint can be taken as us trying to shut ourselves off from any foreign players, its simply something that makes playing the game much harder. I have no problem playing with foreign players that can speak English, they used to come to the ENGLISH district which pretty much signals you should have at least a grasp on the English language. Now its become a common district its basically open for all which when you have so many languages in Europe just does not work. If players want to go and play with people they cant understand thats why we have the international district right?
People have to remember this isnt an FPS or some other games that doesnt require much communication between players (at casual level of course). These sort of games do require a good level of communication, if you need to discuss skill bars, tactics etc. So while im all for a common district for those who would want to use it. Taking away the English districts in favour of that just makes the game a lot harder for those of us who can only speak English.
We cant understand them, they cant understand us, they cant understand some of the others. What is the benefit? When I team with players I want to be able to talk to them. Players will still seperate themselves within that district by language simply because they cant communicate with those of a different language.
All it does is put more people in the same district. However even with more it doesnt increase the ammount of players you can actually play with. It just makes finding teams harder, trading harder. Even having a conversation becomes a lot harder.
I dont quite see how this complaint can be taken as us trying to shut ourselves off from any foreign players, its simply something that makes playing the game much harder. I have no problem playing with foreign players that can speak English, they used to come to the ENGLISH district which pretty much signals you should have at least a grasp on the English language. Now its become a common district its basically open for all which when you have so many languages in Europe just does not work. If players want to go and play with people they cant understand thats why we have the international district right?
People have to remember this isnt an FPS or some other games that doesnt require much communication between players (at casual level of course). These sort of games do require a good level of communication, if you need to discuss skill bars, tactics etc. So while im all for a common district for those who would want to use it. Taking away the English districts in favour of that just makes the game a lot harder for those of us who can only speak English.
Francis Demeules
Then the communication with other players is the issue among the last update.
For Canada, that depends if we bought the European version (generally french) or the American Version (I bought the American version but I change my account to Euro for some reasons like Curse You). If you think really putting America and English together, I'm thinking about the favor in the servers then. Like someone said, keep the common district and add the english district.
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The most logical way to do this, I would think, would be by language. Since that is the case, European English and American would be put together, kind of like how Australia and Canada are both typically found on American servers, at least in my experience. Though they could easily be found on European. Either way, both are English speaking and if it's mutually exclusive to merge them it makes sense to.
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william1975
Quite simply I don't understand any other language other than english, despite not being english.
I never voluntarily enter other districts that speak anything but english, or are international. The simple reason for this is that i think its just plain ignorant to enter into a district where, say French, is the language, and speak in English and expect everybody or anybody there to respond to me in english or even understand me at all.
I have been on in at night when i can't find a team and still refuse to go through these districts because of this, the only distirct i have went to to find teams other than English is international. And this is because sometimes you get a wider community of english speakers.
To be insenced at the removale of the English district and the replacement with a common european one is not Xenophobic. Any person wanting to play with foriegn people can do so through the international district, or when the english district existed could come there and play with english speakers, however the vast majority spoke english. With a common distirct their is not incentive to speak a common language as there is none in Europe. Or is anet suggestiong that the common language is English?
Anet has shown no respect to the English speaking community by removing the district, and certainly has shown none to the rest of Europe's many cultures and languages by implying that English is the common language.
Obviously there should be a common european district for the simple fact that not all communities are represented by distircts (Though this is not to say they shouldnt have a dedicated server), and some being small may not have a large amount of players, so having a place where numerous people converge makes sense.
What doesn't make sense is removing the english district. The suggestion of merging all english speakers into one district such as america, is also unfair as the servers would be overloaded and more difficult to connetc to.
Other online games i have had experience of this as the further the server was from your base the more difficult it was to maintain connection and speed
I never voluntarily enter other districts that speak anything but english, or are international. The simple reason for this is that i think its just plain ignorant to enter into a district where, say French, is the language, and speak in English and expect everybody or anybody there to respond to me in english or even understand me at all.
I have been on in at night when i can't find a team and still refuse to go through these districts because of this, the only distirct i have went to to find teams other than English is international. And this is because sometimes you get a wider community of english speakers.
To be insenced at the removale of the English district and the replacement with a common european one is not Xenophobic. Any person wanting to play with foriegn people can do so through the international district, or when the english district existed could come there and play with english speakers, however the vast majority spoke english. With a common distirct their is not incentive to speak a common language as there is none in Europe. Or is anet suggestiong that the common language is English?
Anet has shown no respect to the English speaking community by removing the district, and certainly has shown none to the rest of Europe's many cultures and languages by implying that English is the common language.
Obviously there should be a common european district for the simple fact that not all communities are represented by distircts (Though this is not to say they shouldnt have a dedicated server), and some being small may not have a large amount of players, so having a place where numerous people converge makes sense.
What doesn't make sense is removing the english district. The suggestion of merging all english speakers into one district such as america, is also unfair as the servers would be overloaded and more difficult to connetc to.
Other online games i have had experience of this as the further the server was from your base the more difficult it was to maintain connection and speed
Sythius
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This really needs doing!
I logged and and was surrounding by people speaking in all sorts of languages!
This makes finding parties, co-operating with others, trading and merchanting ALOT harder now.
Let alone the insult to all of us English speakers.
They should bring them back.
Specially since English is spoken by the majority.
This really needs doing!
I logged and and was surrounding by people speaking in all sorts of languages!
This makes finding parties, co-operating with others, trading and merchanting ALOT harder now.
Let alone the insult to all of us English speakers.
They should bring them back.
Specially since English is spoken by the majority.
Mike_version2
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we can keep common, but bring bring back English districts as well.
we can keep common, but bring bring back English districts as well.
Keneth
I haven't noticed any substantial change in the variety of languages spoken in the now "common" districts, they were renamed thus because no one really cared that the district was "english" so they probably figured that renaming them to "common" was more precise. I understand just about every language spoken in europe to a degree so it doesn't really bother me, the more annoying part is when I see people writing in Cyrilic. A.net banned all other foreign scripts like Japanese and Korean but they don't mind that? I mean, I can read that too but it gets on my nerves that I can't type in kanji while people go around spamming in cyrilic. Anyway,...
/signed, make an actual English district for english speaking people so I don't have to think so much
/signed, make an actual English district for english speaking people so I don't have to think so much
MithranArkanere
Hm... now that I come to think... they should both add an English district and a new option to choose a default district, separately from the language.
Ecklipze
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First of all the 'English' district is invaded by loads of other languages, and while there, 75% of what you read in local is not even English
Now they get rid of the district all together.
For once can I actually be in a district where I can actually understand what's being said?
As for being called 'common district', don't get me started...-_-
First of all the 'English' district is invaded by loads of other languages, and while there, 75% of what you read in local is not even English
Now they get rid of the district all together.
For once can I actually be in a district where I can actually understand what's being said?
As for being called 'common district', don't get me started...-_-
Bazompora
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Calling them "common" invites anyone to use his/her mother language
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• Why should Dutch-speakers, Portuguese-speakers, etc. be discouraged at speaking their own languages in outposts?
• What's wrong with the idea of a "common ground" for all European language groups to congregate in?
Curse You
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What's wrong with this?
• Why should Dutch-speakers, Portuguese-speakers, etc. be discouraged at speaking their own languages in outposts? • What's wrong with the idea of a "common ground" for all European language groups to congregate in? |
Antithesis
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English may be the "common" language but if they want universality and a sense of multi-culturalism, isn't that what International Districts are for?
There are dedicated German, Italian, French and Spanish language Districts - they build a sense of community because they can all understand each other and speak in their native tongue. Lumping all Euro's together simply results in division because we can't understand what the hell everyone else is saying! I'm not suggesting "speak English or die" but i would prefer it if English were encouraged simply to facilitate communication through a 'common' medium.
There's no Hispanic District to cater for the large Spanish-speaking population in the USA, it's just plain "American". Maybe a simple change from "common" to European District and scrap the French District, German District etc would serve the same purpose and offend less people...except the Germans, French, Spanish and Italians annoyed at the loss of their language-based districts.
While you're at it Anet, how about combining China, Korea, Japan and Taiwan into an "Asian" District...that'd be the most hostile location on the planet, kiss your sales goodbye
My guess is they'll phase out the other Euro languages over time to reduce server costs as the player base dwindles. Then again, i have no idea how the localisation / network server setup works so it's pure speculation.
English may be the "common" language but if they want universality and a sense of multi-culturalism, isn't that what International Districts are for?
There are dedicated German, Italian, French and Spanish language Districts - they build a sense of community because they can all understand each other and speak in their native tongue. Lumping all Euro's together simply results in division because we can't understand what the hell everyone else is saying! I'm not suggesting "speak English or die" but i would prefer it if English were encouraged simply to facilitate communication through a 'common' medium.
There's no Hispanic District to cater for the large Spanish-speaking population in the USA, it's just plain "American". Maybe a simple change from "common" to European District and scrap the French District, German District etc would serve the same purpose and offend less people...except the Germans, French, Spanish and Italians annoyed at the loss of their language-based districts.
While you're at it Anet, how about combining China, Korea, Japan and Taiwan into an "Asian" District...that'd be the most hostile location on the planet, kiss your sales goodbye
My guess is they'll phase out the other Euro languages over time to reduce server costs as the player base dwindles. Then again, i have no idea how the localisation / network server setup works so it's pure speculation.
eightyfour-onesevenfive
The english districts always were the common districts. Every European player who doesn't have a district for his local setting is placed there by default, on login. That didn't change. I highly doubt that there is a lot more non-english conversation going on in the common districts than there was in the english districts before the change. All this update did was name the district appropriately.
The international districts are not really an alternative. Due to different routing, many european players will have a slower connection to them than to the local districts.
On the other hand, I see no harm in having English districts in addition to Common districts.
The international districts are not really an alternative. Due to different routing, many european players will have a slower connection to them than to the local districts.
On the other hand, I see no harm in having English districts in addition to Common districts.
Antithesis
Bugger it, i'm playing in German Districts from now on and speaking only English. Let's see the kind of response that attracts.
I get your point 84-175, it's generally accepted that the English districts are multi-language and accepting of other languages, but there should be a choice for us too.
I get your point 84-175, it's generally accepted that the English districts are multi-language and accepting of other languages, but there should be a choice for us too.
Grethort
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Sorry for my very bad english =="
Mindtrust
Well to be honest i would love to go back to 1 common server for EU/US and skip most of the of the "local" districts.
Sure major towns with wtb/wts ppl and outposts with farmers are filled with players, but quite many outposts are deserted and i would love to see more people there that you can do stuff with, cause many people from other districts may not have english as their first language but they do understand it!
Sure major towns with wtb/wts ppl and outposts with farmers are filled with players, but quite many outposts are deserted and i would love to see more people there that you can do stuff with, cause many people from other districts may not have english as their first language but they do understand it!
MirkoTeran
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The districts are fragmented to much already. No need to split it up even more. If anything they should collapse some of them together.
The districts are fragmented to much already. No need to split it up even more. If anything they should collapse some of them together.
Keneth
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The districts are fragmented to much already. No need to split it up even more. If anything they should collapse some of them together.
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MithranArkanere
Just by stating that the 'common' language is English somewhere, it should be enough.
But it would be even better if they added English back and let you choose the default by options...
But it would be even better if they added English back and let you choose the default by options...
Curse You
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The english districts always were the common districts. Every European player who doesn't have a district for his local setting is placed there by default, on login. That didn't change. I highly doubt that there is a lot more non-english conversation going on in the common districts than there was in the english districts before the change. All this update did was name the district appropriately.
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The districts are fragmented to much already. No need to split it up even more. If anything they should collapse some of them together.
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You are incorrect. If all districts were combined, it would fragment the European community severely. There would be too many people trying to speak too many languages.
Lyssas
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Not trying to be harsh or anything towards other languages but English is accepted as the most international language in the world (thus also in Europe). Personally, I'm from Sweden and I was gladly using the English districts and talking English, fact is that most people throughout Europe can speek English. A possible exeption is Germany and France which are too proud of their own language and have a poor education plan for English (no offence ment that's just a fact.) Therefore quite some French and Germans have trouble with English compared to other Europeans, but they have got their own districs so that problem is solved aas good as can be. Renaming the district to commom did not really alter who was there already or not, but it made a lot more people start talking their mother language instead of English, which makes a lot of people not understand each other, which is perfectly fine if the old English district would remain for those who talks English as they are being English, and for those like me who happily speaks English as it is the language that most people do understand.
Keep common districts if you want to but Put up English districts again. I see the argument that the districs are splitted enough as it is, if that argument is valid enough then just change back to English, as replacing them with common makes no real sence to anyone.
Not trying to be harsh or anything towards other languages but English is accepted as the most international language in the world (thus also in Europe). Personally, I'm from Sweden and I was gladly using the English districts and talking English, fact is that most people throughout Europe can speek English. A possible exeption is Germany and France which are too proud of their own language and have a poor education plan for English (no offence ment that's just a fact.) Therefore quite some French and Germans have trouble with English compared to other Europeans, but they have got their own districs so that problem is solved aas good as can be. Renaming the district to commom did not really alter who was there already or not, but it made a lot more people start talking their mother language instead of English, which makes a lot of people not understand each other, which is perfectly fine if the old English district would remain for those who talks English as they are being English, and for those like me who happily speaks English as it is the language that most people do understand.
Keep common districts if you want to but Put up English districts again. I see the argument that the districs are splitted enough as it is, if that argument is valid enough then just change back to English, as replacing them with common makes no real sence to anyone.
Bazompora
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I see the argument that the districs are splitted enough as it is, if that argument is valid enough then just change back to English, as replacing them with common makes no real sence to anyone.
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I'm a native Dutch-speaker, I can and am willing to speak English, but I don't want to feel obligated to (which was the case until common districts were implicated).
thral
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Hey, I'm American and I agree with this. It seems very... I want to say discriminatory but it seems to strong... that they would have zones dedicated for Spanish, Russian, Polish, French, Italian... and not have a dedicated place for English speakers.
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MithranArkanere
Well. My problem is quite curious.
I like to play the game in English (Spanish translation just sucks) but I do prefer to move in Spanish districts.
But they do not let you choose them separately.
Why not just have one option for the district and another for the language?
You currently can choose different sound language.
Why not text language, keeping your preferred districts?
I like to play the game in English (Spanish translation just sucks) but I do prefer to move in Spanish districts.
But they do not let you choose them separately.
Why not just have one option for the district and another for the language?
You currently can choose different sound language.
Why not text language, keeping your preferred districts?
Tylos Angelheart
I absolutely agree with this bring back our English District.... dunno bout you seems a bit racist or discriminative or summin towards the English i mean other nationalities get their own space so why not us?
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oooh and yeah as someone has said keep the common districts seems a good idea just as a generic zone for peeps to play.
/signed
oooh and yeah as someone has said keep the common districts seems a good idea just as a generic zone for peeps to play.
Lauryn
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I find it incredibly rude that they would remove a language (a very large language at that) from their choice of districts. I have no problem with people from other countries (in fact my best friend on GW who I've known for over 2 years now is Dutch
lol) and I love the idea of a common district as hopefully it would remove some of the spam then English districts have, yet of course it wont as it seems English speakers are no longer welcome? How is this not bordering on racism?
I honestly do not understand why they would replace the English districts, do they want to force us to switch to American or something?
Re-Add English Districts and keep Common, we ALL need somewhere to speak freely
<-- moody
I find it incredibly rude that they would remove a language (a very large language at that) from their choice of districts. I have no problem with people from other countries (in fact my best friend on GW who I've known for over 2 years now is Dutch
lol) and I love the idea of a common district as hopefully it would remove some of the spam then English districts have, yet of course it wont as it seems English speakers are no longer welcome? How is this not bordering on racism?I honestly do not understand why they would replace the English districts, do they want to force us to switch to American or something?
Re-Add English Districts and keep Common, we ALL need somewhere to speak freely
<-- moody
isamu kurosawa
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Common makes more sense for a common ground than English. Replacing common again would be plain wrong.
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If a more obvious common ground was really needed then the international districts could have been re-named while keeping their original purpose.
Nadasee
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I have quite a few dutch, Swedish and Finnish members in my guild. All of them where met in the international districts, the original common ground for players. They too think this was a bad move as not only does it cause problems for English speakers, it also lessens the value of international districts.
If a more obvious common ground was really needed then the international districts could have been re-named while keeping their original purpose. |
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I totaly agree with that!
I can't understand why they removed the English District and replaced it with the European Common District and still keep the International one. For me the International one was the "Common" meeting place for both European players and American ones ect. Now it just seems like we have 2 Districts of the same kind and no English one :S And this does indeed couse some speaking/party problems.
Brother Andicus
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In a long history of dumb moves by anet, this one is probably top of the list for dumbness.
In a long history of dumb moves by anet, this one is probably top of the list for dumbness.
kurtas
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seriously... what?
This isn't about racism or xenophobia, its about convenience. The same reason the Russian players wanted Russian districts, Polish wanted Polish districts, and why there's been a few attempts at Australian districts.
It basically comes down to wanting to do things with people who you understand, and who understand you.
If this continues you'll see people spamming "lfg monk (English only)" or something to that extent.
If they're after a European community merge, merge all districts.
If they're after a cut down on spam, make trading districts.
If they're after confusing their player base and making the game more inconvenient to play, never revert this change.
seriously... what?
This isn't about racism or xenophobia, its about convenience. The same reason the Russian players wanted Russian districts, Polish wanted Polish districts, and why there's been a few attempts at Australian districts.
It basically comes down to wanting to do things with people who you understand, and who understand you.
If this continues you'll see people spamming "lfg monk (English only)" or something to that extent.
If they're after a European community merge, merge all districts.
If they're after a cut down on spam, make trading districts.
If they're after confusing their player base and making the game more inconvenient to play, never revert this change.
Bazompora
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the international districts, the original common ground for players.
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not only does it cause problems for English speakers,
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The only "problem" you have now, is that you have no ground for bashing people anymore, for speaking their own non-English native language among each other.
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it also lessens the value of international districts.
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It seems you neglected the differences between European and International districts, such as:
European districts:
• better ping for most Europeans
• peak activity when it's evening in European countries
• population with mainly similar secular religeous background cultures
• access to FoW and UW
• best plave to recruit for a European guild
• no Asian trade bots
International districts:
• worse ping for many Europeans, but sometimes less lag
• no significant peak in activity at a set time
• populations with profoundly varying religeous background cultures
• visits from Gaile Grey
• best place to recruit for a world-wide International guild
• lots of Asian trade bots
Curse You
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What problems? You still have most people being able to speak your language. Renaming "English districts" into "Common districts" didn't wipe English from the memory of non-native speakers.
The only "problem" you have now, is that you have no ground for bashing people anymore, for speaking their own non-English native language among each other. Found another way to say "speak English or get out of European districts"? |
You keep acting as though it's wrong to want to have a district where you can be assured that the people there will speak the same language as you. Yet you've stressed how you'd like a Dutch district. To me, you're contradicting yourself.
headcarb
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isamu kurosawa
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The only "problem" you have now, is that you have no ground for bashing people anymore, for speaking their own non-English native language among each other.
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Found another way to say "speak English or get out of European districts"?
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I really am amazed that people think its ok to remove an entire language based district. if there was a dutch district from the start and it was removed im sure you would complain as well.
In a game where strategy and planning is the key to success being able to clearly communicate with a team is very important.
Bazompora
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You keep acting as though it's wrong to want to have a district where you can be assured that the people there will speak the same language as you. Yet you've stressed how you'd like a Dutch district. To me, you're contradicting yourself.
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• I never said I wanted Dutch districts; I always was for non-language-bound European districts and saw no use in separate Dutch districts.
Stop contradicting the truth.
Curse You
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• I never said it's wrong to have English districts; I said it's wrong to say common districts are not needed.
• I never said I wanted Dutch districts; I always was for non-language-bound European districts and saw no use in separate Dutch districts. Stop contradicting the truth. |