Hi.
I am not new to this game, but I got bored with my Characters and deleted them (I was tired and didnt pay full attention at the time), I am now going to start playing again and I'm wondering what would be better for PVE or PVP (I mainly play PVE though).
Paragon seem quite appealing, but is it a support class? If so, I wont make one.
Please help.
Dervish or Paragon?
Vaxin
Iuris
Well, any class can do well on its own. But a paragon does so well as party multiplier that it's a waste not to do so...
HawkofStorms
Paragon really is a support class, and according to the a reccent poll in riverside, is the most unpopular class to play in all of GW.
Vaxin
do you mean Unpopular because they are useless or just theres not enough people playing as one?
what class would have an Easier time finding a party, i mean, would People acutally need me in the party if I was a Paragon?
what class would have an Easier time finding a party, i mean, would People acutally need me in the party if I was a Paragon?
jhu
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Originally Posted by HawkofStorms
Paragon really is a support class, and according to the a reccent poll in riverside, is the most unpopular class to play in all of GW.
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wetsparks
There are three mele classes (warrior, assasin, dervish) and probably 90% of people who start this game made one of them, myself included. Since you really don't want more than two mele in your group I think it would be easier to find groups as a paragon. But then again they are more of a support class than direct range damage like rangers are, and you implied you didn't want to play a support class.
nunix
Dervish is a weird melee hybrid class that, for general PVE, doesn't -really- synergise that well with anything else; especially when you're just starting a new one and aren't familiar with how it all works out. It's an interesting class, and it's very effective in PVE (where area attacks are king; scythe area + burst auras are great) but mine's collecting dust at the moment. Arguably some of the most-boring armor. Get pretty badass avatar transformations that let them change appearance to and take on certain aspects of each of the five gods.
Paragon is a support class, no doubt of that, but they're also very strong, with the equivalent of warrior armor (and a great insignia to boost it up even higher). My only problem with them is the excessively-fancy armor and how little of it can be dyed; don't pick one if you don't like wearing white.
Paragon is a support class, no doubt of that, but they're also very strong, with the equivalent of warrior armor (and a great insignia to boost it up even higher). My only problem with them is the excessively-fancy armor and how little of it can be dyed; don't pick one if you don't like wearing white.
Coloneh
paragons are boring and not so useful. dervishes are dps/survival machines and very fun to play.
Vaxin
AHHH I still can't decide lol.
I should just go with what class looks cooler lol.
Which one has an easier time staying alive?
I should just go with what class looks cooler lol.
Which one has an easier time staying alive?
Yichi
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Which one has an easier time staying alive?
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Toutatis
Paragons have an eaiser time staying alive. Armor that's almost as good as a warrior's (max armor for a paragon is 80, but doesn't have the same boost against physical that the warrior has), the ability to use shields, and attacking at range. Not to mention a wide range of buffs that can't be stripped by the enemy.
The paragon isn't just support either. True, their vocal abilities help buff up your party quite a lot, but they're also capable of putting out a very impressive DPS with their spears. The profession is very well balanced between attack and defence.
The paragon isn't just support either. True, their vocal abilities help buff up your party quite a lot, but they're also capable of putting out a very impressive DPS with their spears. The profession is very well balanced between attack and defence.
Vaxin
Thats it then, I'll go Paragon.
Thanks for the Help!
Thanks for the Help!
VaMpIrE|OrD
I know youve already chosen but to answer your earlier question imo getting into a party wold be much easier with a derv rather then a para this is just what i find though.
Vaxin
Oh, I see, well, do people usually say "no your a Paragon, you can't join us"?
Yichi
No, they usually say "GLF ele, tank and 2 monks..." Then you invite as a paragon and they hit decline invitation and u rage in the district as to why no one wants to take you and you resort to using heroes and beating it faster than the sub-par pug did anyway...
nunix
Honestly, anymore I see "invite self" way way way more than specific queries (aside from monks, but people are generally just as happy with a hero as a real person). And a halfway decent guild will alleviate that more or less completely.
Jongo River
I'd never really fancied Paragon much, but having now taken all classes as far as Vabbi (for treasures) - I do have to say that I was surprised by how easy it seemed with my Paragon. It feels like a faster paced ranger, with some nice skills to boost team damage, in addition to applying conditions. I didn't fall in love with the class, but I have started using motivation henchies more. 
Coloneh
i cant stand being grouped with paragons. they really dont add anything to the group.
Serenitude
Para lover here ;-)
In reply to the OP - nothing is worse in this game than playing with PUGs, mate. Your Para has Warrior-class armor, warrior class damage from a distance, superb party mainentance skills, and if you're in a group, screw pugs. If you aren't in a Guild, well-built Paras have little trouble beating all three chapters with heroes and henchies. Unpopular does not mean unpowerful ;-) Besides - 9 out of every 10 toons in Kamadan is a Derv nowadays. Why not be a little different? Truly, Dervishes have some outrageous strengths, but in the long run Paras are a much more "survivable" class. Glad you went that route ;-)
In reply to the OP - nothing is worse in this game than playing with PUGs, mate. Your Para has Warrior-class armor, warrior class damage from a distance, superb party mainentance skills, and if you're in a group, screw pugs. If you aren't in a Guild, well-built Paras have little trouble beating all three chapters with heroes and henchies. Unpopular does not mean unpowerful ;-) Besides - 9 out of every 10 toons in Kamadan is a Derv nowadays. Why not be a little different? Truly, Dervishes have some outrageous strengths, but in the long run Paras are a much more "survivable" class. Glad you went that route ;-)
White knight lord
I made3 a Dervish and a Para and personally I don't like the dervish to me they are liek the new assassin mainly for PvP and no one really cares to have them in a group when they can have a Warrior as a tank or a ele Paragons aere a more effective class in PvE or PvP because liek the rit ualist they help enchance the team by dmg or defense wise when i made my para I really liked him becuase it was like haveing a Rit/ranger/warrior all in one as for dervish I only felt like I got brute ower (like the assassin) and warrior and was rejected from many groups becuase they wanted a arrior or ele over a dervish So my pick for anyone is Para hands down 
White knight lord
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Originally Posted by Coloneh
i cant stand being grouped with paragons. they really dont add anything to the group.
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psycore
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Originally Posted by Coloneh
paragons are boring and not so useful.
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Paragon is one of the most useful classes in the game, people just dont play it because they don't understand it:
A- don;t take the time to understand how the paragon's chant's and shouts synergise with their own parties skills and enhance them- ie pve players are usually mostly selfish and unimaginative and dont preplan well
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B- don't have an immediate noticeable effect on the battle field.
Im sure there are others, but all the anti-para rhetoric gets on my nerves.
I play a paragon as a primary character in both pve (mostly) and pvp (sometimes), they can do a lot of things, from defense buffs to offense buffs to bip builds to pressure to tank the list is limited by your skill understanding -use the skills ANet gave you and stop copying the wiki people.
Verek
I know this is really old thread, but have been messing about with a Paragon and would like to know, what the problem seems to be with them.
I have been very impressed and can't understand why Paragons are not wanted, the only reason I can think of to keep quiet about them is to avoid the Nerf bat.
Aggressive Refrain + Go for the Eyes + find their Weakness, isn't bad and I haven't got an elite skill yet.
I might be missing something but seems to be a very strong class to me.
I have been very impressed and can't understand why Paragons are not wanted, the only reason I can think of to keep quiet about them is to avoid the Nerf bat.
Aggressive Refrain + Go for the Eyes + find their Weakness, isn't bad and I haven't got an elite skill yet.
I might be missing something but seems to be a very strong class to me.
brian78wa
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Originally Posted by HawkofStorms
Paragon really is a support class, and according to the a reccent poll in riverside, is the most unpopular class to play in all of GW.
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brian78wa
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Originally Posted by psycore
Uh, what the hell are you on?
Paragon is one of the most useful classes in the game, people just dont play it because they don't understand it: |
brian78wa
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Originally Posted by Verek
can't understand why Paragons are not wanted,
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Not just my opinion its alot of people opinion. In my guild of about 60 or so only 1 person likes paras.
psycore
I would have to say to enjoy your close-mindedness then.
By calling the buffs subpar you demonstrate a lack of understanding of them and negate any further comments you have posted.
By calling the buffs subpar you demonstrate a lack of understanding of them and negate any further comments you have posted.
willypiggy
Dervish = Great Damage output provided you spend time gathering elites (ebon dust aura, Avatar of Balthazar etc) but pretty much all of the armor is boring, the new armor from Eotn looks pretty sweet tho.
Paragon = Great support for playing with other humans, when playing with henchies/heroes there not so great as you have to charge in first when you should be in the abck buffing people.
Dervish's (I find) can sometimes find it hard getting teams as warriors can do greater dammage, however Dervish's are fantastic for area dammage due to lots of there skills and the fact that there scythe will hit mroe than one enemy
Choose depening on what you like and how you would like to play.
Paragon = Great support for playing with other humans, when playing with henchies/heroes there not so great as you have to charge in first when you should be in the abck buffing people.
Dervish's (I find) can sometimes find it hard getting teams as warriors can do greater dammage, however Dervish's are fantastic for area dammage due to lots of there skills and the fact that there scythe will hit mroe than one enemy
Choose depening on what you like and how you would like to play.
malko050987
I tried playing a Paragon, but got bored. So far, only Rangers got me interested enough to get to the higher levels.
They're absolutely insane when you have a good one in your team, though. Very, very good support and with a bit of common sense, a good tank too.
I'm not sure about the Dervish, since I stay away from the melee classes. I hate being close to the enemy >.>
They're absolutely insane when you have a good one in your team, though. Very, very good support and with a bit of common sense, a good tank too.
I'm not sure about the Dervish, since I stay away from the melee classes. I hate being close to the enemy >.>
higaru
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Originally Posted by HawkofStorms
Paragon really is a support class, and according to the a reccent poll in riverside, is the most unpopular class to play in all of GW.
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I can sum it up in 1 word. BORING.
Not just my opinion its alot of people opinion. In my guild of about 60 or so only 1 person likes paras. |
dude, don't listen to any1, check a post with this title here in guru about paragon "The Paragon Basics" and c urself.
I have and play a P/D its as good in pve as in pvp!
It's the fear or anything new! or no time to try cause they already have good char. in other classes.
silversix
rolf at all those ppl who say dervs have crappyer armor than parags...a derv can get way higher armor with wind insignas and above all it has+4energy regen not like tanks/parag only+2.....a derv with 4enchant+ can be killer machine and could tank 4 parags at once anytime vow of strenght with 13earth prayers+ can tank so badass that ppl who say bu bu but dervs are like sin=weak i say LOL
Coloneh
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Originally Posted by silversix
rolf at all those ppl who say dervs have crappyer armor than parags...a derv can get way higher armor with wind insignas and above all it has+4energy regen not like tanks/parag only+2.....a derv with 4enchant+ can be killer machine and could tank 4 parags at once anytime vow of strenght with 13earth prayers+ can tank so badass that ppl who say bu bu but dervs are like sin=weak i say LOL
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MaDDoG1221
Ive got a Dervish and I love it! Its a great class to go with, They can stay alive with a decent monk or 2 + the right build. They can really dominate in PvE or PvP .
Ive also made a Paragon and he at lvl 17 so far but am still working him out and so far its great!
Ive also made a Paragon and he at lvl 17 so far but am still working him out and so far its great!
wetsparks
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Originally Posted by silversix
rolf at all those ppl who say dervs have crappyer armor than parags...a derv can get way higher armor with wind insignas and above all it has+4energy regen not like tanks/parag only+2.....a derv with 4enchant+ can be killer machine and could tank 4 parags at once anytime vow of strenght with 13earth prayers+ can tank so badass that ppl who say bu bu but dervs are like sin=weak i say LOL
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