Someone is showing GW:EN's secrets. lol

Redfeather1975

Forge Runner

Join Date: Sep 2006

Apartment#306

Rhedd Asylum

Me/

19 Jul 2007 at 03:34 - 1

If you are curious go here
http://guildwars.incgamers.com/forum...d.php?t=457890

There's some spoilers in there me thinks.

arcanemacabre

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Join Date: Feb 2006

North Kryta Province

Angel Sharks [As]

19 Jul 2007 at 03:40 - 2

Oooo! Thanks, Redfeather! That just gave me a few chills of excitement!

Metal Herc

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jan 2007

19 Jul 2007 at 03:41 - 3

"Urza's Rage" Umm... Wasn't that a MTG card back in the day?

Curse You

Furnace Stoker

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South Pole

The Magus Order

N/Mo

19 Jul 2007 at 03:47 - 4

Summon Mursaat.

I want to go fight White Mantle with that one.

arcanemacabre

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Feb 2006

North Kryta Province

Angel Sharks [As]

19 Jul 2007 at 03:52 - 5

Polymock looks like it's going to be a ton o' fun! I can't wait to "play" all those monsters. Oh especially the Mursaat... yumm!

Dragonious

Lion's Arch Merchant

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Hot Springs, AR

Dei Victorae [dV]

R/W

19 Jul 2007 at 03:58 - 6

Secret herbs and spices! LOL!!! KFC ftw! I also like the "Get Over Here!" shout. MK ftw also

amish lifeguard

Krytan Explorer

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It's Not Pediofilia If The Kids [dead]

19 Jul 2007 at 04:31 - 7

Yea Metal, it was.

GloryFox

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jan 2006

Good ol' USA, where everyone else wants to be

Now Plays World of Warcraft on Whisperwind

19 Jul 2007 at 04:39 - 8

Wow just wow... after reading the skills list I begin to wonder if the Mursaat were simply summoned creatures to begin with..... Although I don't see spectral agony. Its possible it won't show because it's already in the game?

If that statement is true does this mean the Seer's were allied with the Destroyers all along?

Turbo Wombat

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Nov 2005

Centeral Texas

Heros of Titans Realm

Me/

19 Jul 2007 at 04:50 - 9

Hmmm... "Logic Bomb"

Me and my room mate were always joking when we talked about mesmers who 'stolded mah megahurtz'. Looks like that's a bit closer to reality than we thought.

Also, extra points for the Tom Clancy reference.

blue.rellik

Forge Runner

Join Date: Feb 2007

Melbourne, Australia

None

19 Jul 2007 at 04:52 - 10

"GET OVER HERE"

It does not take a genius to figure out where that come from.

-Loki-

Forge Runner

Join Date: Oct 2005

19 Jul 2007 at 04:55 - 11

Ranger skill Volley. Lesser Barrage, mayhaps?

Miral

Jungle Guide

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Hell. AKA Phoenix, AZ

The Gear Trick [GEAR]

W/A

19 Jul 2007 at 04:59 - 12

Quote:

Originally Posted by GloryFox

Nomme Moon

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2007

19 Jul 2007 at 05:00 - 13

If those "form" skills do what I think they do, then GW:EN is going to be FUN.

Muspellsheimr

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Feb 2007

19 Jul 2007 at 05:01 - 14

*IF* this is accurate, methinks there's some very blatant copyright violations

Quote:

Urza's Force
Urza's Roar
Urza's Spirit
Urza's Strike
Urza's Rage http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urza
http://ww2.wizards.com/gatherer/Card...aspx?&id=23087

Curse You

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Apr 2006

South Pole

The Magus Order

N/Mo

19 Jul 2007 at 05:01 - 15

Quote:
Originally Posted by Nomme Moon
If those "form" skills do what I think they do, then GW:EN is going to be FUN. They're only part of a mini-game. You can't use them anywhere else.

arcanemacabre

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Feb 2006

North Kryta Province

Angel Sharks [As]

19 Jul 2007 at 05:05 - 16

Who's to say the "Seer" wasn't actually the Lich in disguise - with a fancy story that he made up on the fly. Just another way he gained the chosen ones' trust to do his bidding.

EDIT:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Muspellsheimr
*IF* this is accurate, methinks there's some very blatant copyright violations And if it is right, they probably intentionally used the name as a nod toward Magic. Which means they probably got permission. It's just another culture reference like Rodgort or Galstaff the Light.

ShadowsRequiem

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Oct 2005

Inde is Smoking [Hawt] *ToA*

W/E

19 Jul 2007 at 05:10 - 17

lol i'm so getting Rebel Yell

oh and summon mursaat
-100 dmg x 5 and -3degen!
OWNED!

lol if summon mursaat wasnt a pve only skill :P 8 mursaats in hoh holding X_X infuse my pvp char plz!

twicky_kid

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jun 2005

Quite Vulgar [FUN]

19 Jul 2007 at 05:12 - 18

If there was ever a skill that need a name change this would be the one: Rending Penetration

GloryFox

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jan 2006

Good ol' USA, where everyone else wants to be

Now Plays World of Warcraft on Whisperwind

19 Jul 2007 at 05:20 - 19

Quote:
posted by arcanemacabre
Who's to say the "Seer" wasn't actually the Lich in disguise - with a fancy story that he made up on the fly. Just another way he gained the chosen ones' trust to do his bidding. I highly doubt it as the Seers were at war with the Mursaat before Vizier Khilbron, became the Lich. With the ability to summon a Mursaat taught by the Asura you really begin to question A LOT of things. What exactly do the Asura share in common with the Mursaat? DO they serve the Asura? Were they summoned creatures to begin with? Why did the Murssat create the Jade Armors? Was it in preparation for the war against the Destroyers all along? Could the Golems that the Asura need to make really the Jade Armor and Bows? Did the Asura get driven above ground because we killed off so many Mursaat and Jades?

So many questions.... only a month away to find out.

Stay tunned...

FoxBat

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Apr 2006

Amazon Basin [AB]

Mo/Me

19 Jul 2007 at 05:21 - 20

Urza = ursa, its bear stuff.

Like Volfen = wolf.

arcanemacabre

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Feb 2006

North Kryta Province

Angel Sharks [As]

19 Jul 2007 at 05:23 - 21

Quote:
Originally Posted by GloryFox
I highly doubt it as the Seers were at war with the Mursaat before Vizier Khilbron, became the Lich. Ahh, but who told you that story? Think about it.

GloryFox

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jan 2006

Good ol' USA, where everyone else wants to be

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19 Jul 2007 at 05:27 - 22

Quote:
Ahh, but who told you that story? Think about it. LOL... yeah I was thinking that for a split second then I remembered that a Seer can die, and yet the Lich still lives. I strongly doubt the Seer is the Lich.

Bryant Again

Hall Hero

Join Date: Feb 2006

19 Jul 2007 at 05:28 - 23

"A Touch Of Guile"

/crossfingersforsonicBOOM!

Muspellsheimr

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Feb 2007

19 Jul 2007 at 05:35 - 24

Quote:
Originally Posted by arcanemacabre
And if it is right, they probably intentionally used the name as a nod toward Magic. Which means they probably got permission. It's just another culture reference like Rodgort or Galstaff the Light.
It is possible they got permission to use the name Urza, but I doubt it. And Rodgort is a reference to Trogdor, it is not acualy Trogdor. No matter how you try to fluff it - Urza's Rage is Urza's Rage.

Quote:

Originally Posted by FoxBat
Urza = ursa, its bear stuff.

Like Volfen = wolf. Unfortunately, Urza is not used as an alternate spelling for ursa, and Urza's Rage, as I pointed out in one of my links, is not only using a copywrite character name, it is using a copywrite card name.

Bithor the Dog

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Mar 2006

Sarcastic self opinionated old FART

Guardian Archangels

W/

19 Jul 2007 at 05:37 - 25

im curious as to how someone actually got into the GW.DAT file to find all this. Ive not kept up with all of the recent stuff, and i know they are actively self modding textures, but id love to know how they got into the dat file to find this info.
There is a small team of amateur coders trying to figure the dat file out for the last 18 months and they havent cracked it yet!

arcanemacabre

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Feb 2006

North Kryta Province

Angel Sharks [As]

19 Jul 2007 at 05:42 - 26

Quote:
Originally Posted by GloryFox
LOL... yeah I was thinking that for a split second then I remembered that a Seer can die, and yet the Lich still lives. I strongly doubt the Seer is the Lich.

Hehe, many NPCs can die throughout GW, yet remain alive later on. Continuity is shoddy at best in games like this. Besides, he's undead, and can only permanently die on a bloodstone. If you still have a hard time with it, imagine magical disguise in all it's amazing ability - he doesn't even have to be there for you to see an image, it's called an illusion. And if all that stops ya, he can obviously teleport. Consider all that and re-think it.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Muspellsheimr
It is possible they got permission to use the name Urza, but I doubt it. And Rodgort is a reference to Trogdor, it is not acualy Trogdor. No matter how you try to fluff it - Urza's Rage is Urza's Rage. Yet despite it being an obvious similarity, you honestly think a (now huge) company such as Anet is going to steal it without getting permission? Seriously. Or are you suggesting they made it up, and it's a sheer coincidence that it shares the same name as a Magic card, and could be sued for infringement? I highly, highly doubt either of those possibilities.

Curse You

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Apr 2006

South Pole

The Magus Order

N/Mo

19 Jul 2007 at 05:45 - 27

Quote:
Originally Posted by arcanemacabre
Hehe, many NPCs can die throughout GW, yet remain alive later on. Continuity is shoddy at best in games like this. Besides, he's undead, and can only permanently die on a bloodstone. If you still have a hard time with it, imagine magical disguise in all it's amazing ability - he doesn't even have to be there for you to see an image, it's called an illusion. And if all that stops ya, he can obviously teleport. Consider all that and re-think it. There's also the fact that the Seer is very blatantly going against The Lich in Hell's Precipice. The Seer tells you exactly how to cripple the Titans. The Lich, manipulative as he is, would never do that.

arcanemacabre

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Feb 2006

North Kryta Province

Angel Sharks [As]

19 Jul 2007 at 05:54 - 28

Quote:
Originally Posted by Curse You
There's also the fact that the Seer is very blatantly going against The Lich in Hell's Precipice. The Seer tells you exactly how to cripple the Titans. The Lich, manipulative as he is, would never do that. As I remember it, the Seer leads you into the Armageddon Lords, recklessly for the most part. This could be a final ruse of the Lich hoping the chosen ones will attack the titans head-on, and lose. We already made it there, so there's no stopping us, only hoping we die along the way, or weakening before reaching Lich.

Since the Armageddon Lords are not needed to be slain in order to dispose of Lich (IIRC), that makes more sense as an added hurdle, rather than a purposeful mission. Just solidifies my belief that much more.

EDIT: Also, it's obvious no matter what we did could stop the titans anyway, since we still have to hunt them down all over Tyria, keep that in mind. The Seer's "bonus" mission does absolutely squat to the Lich's forces.

Silly Warrior

Hold it!

Join Date: Jul 2006

In your local courthouse.

The Arctic Marauders [TAM] (elite PvE, PM)

19 Jul 2007 at 05:54 - 29

What truly interests me most are the norn skill names. They imply to some intent when using the skill you will TRANSFORM into a owl, wolf, bear...perhaps a giant norn?

Totem of the Owl
Totem of the Wolf
Totem of the Bear

/excited.

Curse You

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Apr 2006

South Pole

The Magus Order

N/Mo

19 Jul 2007 at 06:13 - 30

Quote:
Originally Posted by arcanemacabre
As I remember it, the Seer leads you into the Armageddon Lords, recklessly for the most part. This could be a final ruse of the Lich hoping the chosen ones will attack the titans head-on, and lose. We already made it there, so there's no stopping us, only hoping we die along the way, or weakening before reaching Lich.

Since the Armageddon Lords are not needed to be slain in order to dispose of Lich (IIRC), that makes more sense as an added hurdle, rather than a purposeful mission. Just solidifies my belief that much more.

EDIT: Also, it's obvious no matter what we did could stop the titans anyway, since we still have to hunt them down all over Tyria, keep that in mind. The Seer's "bonus" mission does absolutely squat to the Lich's forces. In case you didn't notice, in Hell's Precipce, the Lich has become extremely cocky. He believed his Titan army was unstoppable, and that you would get killed by it while trying to stop him. He was extremely wrapped up in the prophecy becoming true (and it is obvious that he didn't know about the last part).

And really, we might as well be arguing about why the White Mantle have red capes. It's pointless to argue over Guild Wars lore.

tuna-fish_sushi

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Dec 2005

California

E/A

19 Jul 2007 at 06:14 - 31

The skills dont look to good for the monk or elementalist in a farming point of view.

Nothing like faction's Spirit Bond or Shadow Form and nothing like Elona's Shield of Absorbtion or Stoneflesh Aura.

Curse You

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Apr 2006

South Pole

The Magus Order

N/Mo

19 Jul 2007 at 06:18 - 32

Quote:
Originally Posted by tuna-fish_sushi
The skills dont look to good for the monk or elementalist in a farming point of view.

Nothing like faction's Spirit Bond or Shadow Form and nothing like Elona's Shield of Absorbtion or Stoneflesh Aura.

What about these monk skills?
Steadfast Soul
Spotless Mind Spotless Soul Balthazar's Boon Balthazar's Signet Purifying Veil
Sounds like they have rather powerful effects.

arcanemacabre

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Feb 2006

North Kryta Province

Angel Sharks [As]

19 Jul 2007 at 06:25 - 33

Quote:
Originally Posted by Curse You
In case you didn't notice, in Hell's Precipce, the Lich has become extremely cocky. He believed his Titan army was unstoppable, and that you would get killed by it while trying to stop him. He was extremely wrapped up in the prophecy becoming true (and it is obvious that he didn't know about the last part).

And really, we might as well be arguing about why the White Mantle have red capes. It's pointless to argue over Guild Wars lore. No real argument, just a theory. The Lich wasn't cocky because of his Titans, though he may have been elated that he now controlled them and his plan/the prophecy was being carried out, he was cocky because he had an "Ace" up his sleeve. The "Ace" everyone knows about is of course Rurik. I simply suggest he had two "Aces", Rurik and the Seer.

Again, even despite all of that, his plan succeeded. The only part that went wrong was his own demise. I'd say if the Seer wasn't him or his puppet, it must have been a huge fan of the Lich, because it played the chosen ones right into his hands, while providing enough obstacles so that the Titans could do their thing.

Turbobusa

Forge Runner

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By the Luxon Scavenger

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N/

19 Jul 2007 at 08:32 - 34

Cure hex is teh sex
an hybrid skill in healing prayeres? I'm all for it!

Lonesamurai

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Join Date: Apr 2006

Cheltenham, Glos, UK

Wolf Pack Samurai [WPS]

R/A

19 Jul 2007 at 08:44 - 35

Well, at least I don't need to get excited about all the new skills and armour arts... Cos GWO just ruined the surprise for me...

I knew there was a reason i didn't sign up over there... Come on ANet, you let modders play, this happens...

Shadis

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Oct 2006

19 Jul 2007 at 09:05 - 36

Quote:
Originally Posted by Muspellsheimr
It is possible they got permission to use the name Urza, but I doubt it. And Rodgort is a reference to Trogdor, it is not acualy Trogdor. No matter how you try to fluff it - Urza's Rage is Urza's Rage.

Unfortunately, Urza is not used as an alternate spelling for ursa, and Urza's Rage, as I pointed out in one of my links, is not only using a copywrite character name, it is using a copywrite card name.
I fully expect a lot of those names to change from now until release. It could be a little inside joke and they fully intend to change it before actually putting it out there.

arcanemacabre

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Feb 2006

North Kryta Province

Angel Sharks [As]

19 Jul 2007 at 09:07 - 37

Quote:
Originally Posted by Lonesamurai
Well, at least I don't need to get excited about all the new skills and armour arts... Cos GWO just ruined the surprise for me...

I knew there was a reason i didn't sign up over there... Come on ANet, you let modders play, this happens... Actually, as much as I love modding, I hate to do it, but I agree with you. I hate spoilers, and this really is a spoiler, in a sense. My curiosity pushes me forth, forcing me to look at everything I can get my hands on, while the rest of me thinks "Aww, dammit! I didn't want to see that yet!"

Arrgh! It's like a sinful indulgence. Stupid sexy information...

frojack

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Nov 2005

London, UK

Rite Of Passage [RP]

E/Mo

19 Jul 2007 at 09:09 - 38

I think I've just been sold till GW2 comes out. As long as it's 2008 ^_^ (pressure pressure :P).

Seariously, if that date does happen, I will not be playing another mmo. I don't like the idea of playing more than one anyways. Keep going guys...

Edit: I do mean right at the very very end of the year btw...

Jecht Scye

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Dec 2005

Lucky Crickets[Luck]

N/Me

19 Jul 2007 at 09:44 - 39

So no one has found the names of any Necromancer or Elementalist skills yet? Geez...the only two I care about...

Exoudeous

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Mar 2006

Honor Warriors

E/

19 Jul 2007 at 10:20 - 40

Quote:
Originally Posted by Lonesamurai
Well, at least I don't need to get excited about all the new skills and armour arts... Cos GWO just ruined the surprise for me...

I knew there was a reason i didn't sign up over there... Come on ANet, you let modders play, this happens... were you forced to read through it? your own curiosity ruind it for you, you could have stoped yourself anytime