New Annoucement - A Stern Warning
korcan
assassin_of_ni
what if i prostitute for gold?
You just got tomahawked
My friends account got owned in the face.
Dougal Kronik
So it looks like Anet has given up on trying to stop the botters and hurting the players in the process, now they just threaten the players.
Of course, only those who buy gold have anything to fear on the possibility of getting banned, not las if Anet could make a mistake like they think an honest farmer is a bot or anything.
Of course, only those who buy gold have anything to fear on the possibility of getting banned, not las if Anet could make a mistake like they think an honest farmer is a bot or anything.
assassin_of_ni
soooo if thats the case....
can we get rid of loot scaling yet?
can we get rid of loot scaling yet?
drago34
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Originally Posted by assassin_of_ni
what if i prostitute for gold?
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Zinger314
I came into this topic thinking that ArenaNet would punish for Harry Potter spoilers, as every other online institution is doing. I'm dissappointed that this is the threat.
In the meantime...I'll have a fun time in Kamadan tonight, if you know what I mean.
In the meantime...I'll have a fun time in Kamadan tonight, if you know what I mean.
Darksun
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Originally Posted by Dougal Kronik
So it looks like Anet has given up on trying to stop the botters and hurting the players in the process, now they just threaten the players.
Of course, only those who buy gold have anything to fear on the possibility of getting banned, not las if Anet could make a mistake like they think an honest farmer is a bot or anything. |
Lucifer PVP
about time they did this
Malice Black
Oh please...empty threat. One guy got a temp ban for buying 3 million..all of 72 hours I think it was.
Can't remember where I seen that, I'll get back to you on that.
Can't remember where I seen that, I'll get back to you on that.
MrFuzzles
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Originally Posted by Dougal Kronik
So it looks like Anet has given up on trying to stop the botters and hurting the players in the process, now they just threaten the players.
Of course, only those who buy gold have anything to fear on the possibility of getting banned, not las if Anet could make a mistake like they think an honest farmer is a bot or anything. |
I guess if you feel they are out of line and genuinely threatening you as a customer, you could always go on strike and not play or something...
korcan
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Originally Posted by Zinger314
I came into this topic thinking that ArenaNet would punish for Harry Potter spoilers, as every other online institution is doing. I'm dissappointed that this is the threat.
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"SNAPE KILLS DUMBLEDORE"
"SNAPE KILLS DUMBLEDORE"
"SNAPE KILLS DUMBLEDORE"
"SNAPE KILLS DUMBLEDORE"
in la the day the 6th book was released. that was annoying.
lucifer_uk
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Originally Posted by Malice Black
Oh please...empty threat. One guy got a temp ban for buying 3 million..all of 72 hours I think it was.
Can't remember where I seen that, I'll get back to you on that. |
Healers Wisper
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Originally Posted by Dougal Kronik
So it looks like Anet has given up on trying to stop the botters and hurting the players in the process, now they just threaten the players.
Of course, only those who buy gold have anything to fear on the possibility of getting banned, not las if Anet could make a mistake like they think an honest farmer is a bot or anything. |
Thank you anet.
Zinger314
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Originally Posted by korcan
i remember some moron spamming
"SNAPE KILLS DUMBLEDORE" "SNAPE KILLS DUMBLEDORE" "SNAPE KILLS DUMBLEDORE" "SNAPE KILLS DUMBLEDORE" in la the day the 6th book was released. that was annoying. |
The announcement is a sign of weakness in ArenaNet Support, IMO. There's no reason for the announcement; just ban the fools who don't understand the EULA.
assassin_of_ni
POTTER KILLS SNAPE!
no jk...
but it wouldnt be surprising
although i think snape will end up being dumbledores spy under voldemort
wewt i take the off-topic crown ftw.
its pretty simple really....just intimidation....."if you buy gold online you will be banned" problem is they cant claim its gold tracking or something cause i can transfer about 2 mil worth of gold and items back and forth on my two accounts all day and see nothing from em....maybe im just flying below their respective radars =D
no jk...
but it wouldnt be surprising
although i think snape will end up being dumbledores spy under voldemort
wewt i take the off-topic crown ftw.
its pretty simple really....just intimidation....."if you buy gold online you will be banned" problem is they cant claim its gold tracking or something cause i can transfer about 2 mil worth of gold and items back and forth on my two accounts all day and see nothing from em....maybe im just flying below their respective radars =D
Malice Black
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Originally Posted by lucifer_uk
I heard this. Can't remember how the person was actually caught!
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Lasareth
It's not a sign of weakness in anything. It's dealing with the RMT situation in the same way other MMO games do: by banning/suspending accounts that do it.
You can't stop people from buying gold, that is pretty much a constant. What you can do is dissuade some of the people who do not to. It's sort of a keep honest people honest deal, those who ignore the warning will face the consequences.
You can't stop people from buying gold, that is pretty much a constant. What you can do is dissuade some of the people who do not to. It's sort of a keep honest people honest deal, those who ignore the warning will face the consequences.
Pkest
Looks like one of those fake signs for your front yard or one of those fake stickers for your car that say you have a security system. Cheap and easy deterrent when you don't want to actually do anything about security.
lucifer_uk
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Originally Posted by Malice Black
Think Anet can access your account info, if they see large sums on money deposited one after the other you get flagged, happens again you get banned.
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Originally Posted by assassin_of_ni
"if you buy gold online you will be banned" problem is they cant claim its gold tracking or something cause i can transfer about 2 mil worth of gold and items back and forth on my two accounts all day
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Malice Black
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Originally Posted by Lasareth
It's not a sign of weakness in anything. It's dealing with the RMT situation in the same way other MMO games do: by banning/suspending accounts that do it.
You can't stop people from buying gold, that is pretty much a constant. What you can do is dissuade some of the people who do not to. It's sort of a keep honest people honest deal, those who ignore the warning will face the consequences. |
Series
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Originally Posted by Zinger314
Hah. Fake spoilers are much more scary than the real spoilers...
The announcement is a sign of weakness in ArenaNet Support, IMO. There's no reason for the announcement; just ban the fools who don't understand the EULA. |
brb ra
Lasareth
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Originally Posted by Malice Black
Thats all well and good, but seriously 72 hours is nothing...there are hardcore 'ebayers' they won't be detered by such a short ban.
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Malice Black
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Originally Posted by Lasareth
I'm assuming multiple offenders will have it worse than one-time traders. Still, there's nothing new about this. It's the same way other games deal with participants in the RMT. Temp bans, then permanent ones.
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Anet won't be able to fulfil this threat in any meaningful way. Yea a few people will be caught be the rest will carry on as if nothing happened. They'd be better off spending their time and money focusing in on the gold sellers weapon..the bots.
Jetdoc
What I find interesting about this is that A-Net is now targeting the PURCHASERS of gold, not just the generators of that gold (i.e. the bots).
A good place for them to identify these purchasers would likely be starting with those gold sellers that advertise on forums and in game...and finding ways to track/identify those who use those sites. They could actually use those bots as "lures" (by tracking their trading activity) to see who actually buys gold from them, and then slap a big ban on them.
Interesting move by A-Net, although likely it's just an empty threat.
A good place for them to identify these purchasers would likely be starting with those gold sellers that advertise on forums and in game...and finding ways to track/identify those who use those sites. They could actually use those bots as "lures" (by tracking their trading activity) to see who actually buys gold from them, and then slap a big ban on them.
Interesting move by A-Net, although likely it's just an empty threat.
aaje vhanli
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Originally Posted by assassin_of_ni
they cant claim its gold tracking or something cause i can transfer about 2 mil worth of gold and items back and forth on my two accounts all day and see nothing from em...D
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Ensign
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Originally Posted by korcan
"SNAPE KILLS DUMBLEDORE"
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The rest of the school celebrates, having wanted to off the kid themselves since the second book. The world returns to sanity, where powerful magi thoroughly trounce shaky novices in contests of skill.
...sorry for the spoilers.
assassin_of_ni
IP bans may be the best route since they buy new accounts two or 3 times a week....you can ban accounts all day and not make a dent in the bot populace where as an IP ban may be a lil trickier to get around. all in all i think its rather futile to try. WoW has paid GM's and all sorts of dev people working on their own bot problem...they have some great deturrents but it wont do much of anything to stem the tide. right now the biggest thing they have is organized rings of farmers that farm on a 6-8 hour shift for a higher up in which time all items must be sold for whatever price and gold must be transferred to the "master account" in turn that person who holds the account turns around and sells the money on random website and downloads bots to go in-game and spam their product. the funny thing is you can report spam by simply right clicking someones name while in chat. when they ran into this hurdle they started spamming by the in-game mail system....in turn they added a report button there....and now the biggest thing is theyll start raid groups and invite everyone and spam their message upon the arrival of someone dumb enough to click the accept from someone named hjkhsdjgsoid
Snow Bunny
I've heard that they track you in two ways, interconnectedly.
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A. track large trades of gold with a reciprocal (I couldn't name you a figure, I guess 700+?)
B. Match the IP addresses of these trades. Different IPs mean possible fraud?
It's just what I've heard.
By the way, if you haven't yet, read the New York Times Magazine article on this. It was sunday before last. Excellent article, and while it's meant to make you feel sympathy with the botters, I just ended up feeling more vindicated against both botters and buyers.
They
A. track large trades of gold with a reciprocal (I couldn't name you a figure, I guess 700+?)
B. Match the IP addresses of these trades. Different IPs mean possible fraud?
It's just what I've heard.
By the way, if you haven't yet, read the New York Times Magazine article on this. It was sunday before last. Excellent article, and while it's meant to make you feel sympathy with the botters, I just ended up feeling more vindicated against both botters and buyers.
Burning Blade
I transfer gold between my 2 accounts and exchange gold with my guild mates quite frequently. Hopefully I don't have to rant other over the place because of banning mistakes. 
gene terrodon
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Originally Posted by Zinger314
The announcement is a sign of weakness in ArenaNet Support, IMO. There's no reason for the announcement; just ban the fools who don't understand the EULA.
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Step one announce.
Step two ban.
How do they know?
I am pretty sure they track botters and can follow the gold trail to the end consumer.
YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED.
Mordakai
I see it as a sign soon the Online store will start selling Gold...
yeah!
yeah!
Thunder79
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Originally Posted by gene terrodon
They have to do that, so when they start banning people, they wont get inundated with the "why me" emails.
Step one announce. Step two ban. How do they know? I am pretty sure they track botters and can follow the gold trail to the end consumer. YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED. |
most people don't read the EULA...and I'm sure there are a lot of people who don't know it's against the rules...the announcement clears it up for them.
However...it's still extremely difficult to prove that someone bought gold....since they can't track that side of the transaction...they can only prove that someone accepted gold in game in a trade...which happens thousands of time per day. Someone basically has to admit that they bought gold before they have the proof to say they did.
it is largely an empty threat...but one which will hopefully cut the number of people buying gold online....and in turn...cut down on the number of bots in game.
jrk247
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Originally Posted by Darksun
It's a JUMP TO CONCLUSIONS MAT! It's a mat with conclusions you can jump to!
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On topic, I think it's good that gold buyers/sellers are going to get the ban hammer now. The gold buyers are the ones that destroy the economy all the bots do is farm the gold. Not saying that bots are good but it's about time that the actual players buying the gold get banned.
Stormlord Alex
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Originally Posted by Ensign
...sorry for the spoilers.
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On-topic? Um, people are still gonna buy gold...
And the signs have yet to be nuked.
Oofus
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Originally Posted by Malice Black
Think Anet can access your account info, if they see large sums on money deposited one after the other you get flagged, happens again you get banned.
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Carefull out there, Big Brother is watching.
JeniM
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Originally Posted by assassin_of_ni
soooo if thats the case....
can we get rid of loot scaling yet? |
WinterSnowblind
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Originally Posted by Burning Blade
I transfer gold between my 2 accounts and exchange gold with my guild mates quite frequently. Hopefully I don't have to rant other over the place because of banning mistakes.
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mr_stealth
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Originally Posted by Snow Bunny
I've heard that they track you in two ways, interconnectedly.
They A. track large trades of gold with a reciprocal (I couldn't name you a figure, I guess 700+?) B. Match the IP addresses of these trades. Different IPs mean possible fraud? |
assassin_of_ni
well if thats the case all that they will hafta do (other than stealing more accounts) would be using more accounts for gold transactions so they spread the money out more (200-500k per account) and transfer em that way via internet cafe or something. solves the tracking accounts by gold amount and the IP thing. dunno why theyre trying to stop bots when no one can stop them...just ignore em quietly or you can rage at them from time to time to blow off some steam.
as a side note: what do yall think a-net does with gold and items on banned accounts or confiscated accounts?
as a side note: what do yall think a-net does with gold and items on banned accounts or confiscated accounts?