In Game Racism and Anti-Semetic Discrimination

Vl Vl D

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23 Jul 2007 at 03:57 - 41
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Originally Posted by Chris Blackstar
Could of care less what was said, remember the saying, "Sticks and stones will break my bones, but names will never hurt me." Call me what you will, but in the end it is your opinion and since we will never meet, really who the hell cares what is said. In all it makes a good conversation piece, beside I like to play the devil sometimes.

When you grow up you might come to understand that not all the people of the world are the same as you.Some people dont like it so why bring it into the game and breed hate?

Series

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23 Jul 2007 at 03:58 - 42
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Originally Posted by Antithesis
You clearly have issues if you think calling someone a n*gger is the same thing as calling someone an idiot. The latter is an easy conclusion to draw about your state of mind based on the crap that spills out of your head into this thread.
Because I am 100% right and this upsets you, you resort to flaming me in a desperate attempt to avoid my arguments as you know I got you cornered. Who is the idiot here?

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23 Jul 2007 at 03:59 - 43
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Originally Posted by garethporlest18
You are doing the same thing.

Oh and Series, they can say it all they want because they got to make up their own definition for it. However we cannot, because we're white.
Alright Chuck Norris...that tells me all i need to know about you. I'm blonde, blue-eyed and white as white can be but I'm still offended.

And right back at ya re: flamebait.

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23 Jul 2007 at 04:01 - 44
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Originally Posted by Series
If the "n-word" is so offensive, how come countless African Americans listen to rap music, eh? But I doubt you're going around condemning them for using those offensive words
Holy freaking hell, are you serious? Are you doing this for the attention or just to piss us off, or both? Or do you seriously and honestly believe the stuff you're saying?

By your logic, since some people listen to music with offensive lyrics, it's no big deal if people use those same terms and language in online mmo's with a 12+ age rating?

If "n*gger" and "idiot" were equally as offensive, how come you hear npc's say "idiot" during the cutscenes but never n*gger or jew?

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23 Jul 2007 at 04:03 - 45
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Originally Posted by Series
Because I am 100% right and this upsets you, you resort to flaming me in a desperate attempt to avoid my arguments as you know I got you cornered. Who is the idiot here?
And your argument is what...if i'm neither Jewish nor black, i'm not offended and think it's hilarious to insult others, then no-one else should be insulted either? Hmmm....ok....solid logic there.

Let me know when you manage to string together a coherent argument.

Vl Vl D

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23 Jul 2007 at 04:04 - 46
You just got burnt bigtime.

Series

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23 Jul 2007 at 04:10 - 47
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Originally Posted by Antithesis
And your argument is what...if i'm neither Jewish nor black, i'm not offended and think it's hilarious to insult others, then no-one else should be insulted either? Hmmm....ok....solid logic there.

Let me know when you manage to string together a coherent argument.
How about instead of taking a bastardized version of what I said so you could make a little straw-man argument, you reply to what I actually said?

Oh right, you can't.

garethporlest18

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23 Jul 2007 at 04:11 - 48
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Originally Posted by Antithesis
Alright Chuck Norris...that tells me all i need to know about you. I'm blonde, blue-eyed and white as white can be but I'm still offended.

And right back at ya re: flamebait.
Well then you are offended by silly things and words that mean nothing in the end.

Series

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23 Jul 2007 at 04:12 - 49
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Originally Posted by MrFuzzles
Holy freaking hell, are you serious? Are you doing this for the attention or just to piss us off, or both? Or do you seriously and honestly believe the stuff you're saying?

By your logic, since some people listen to music with offensive lyrics, it's no big deal if people use those same terms and language in online mmo's with a 12+ age rating?

If "n*gger" and "idiot" were equally as offensive, how come you hear npc's say "idiot" during the cutscenes but never n*gger or jew?
The word idiot is more offensive than the "n-word" to me. If someone called me the "n-word", I'd laugh. If someone called me "idiot", my feelings would be hurt. It's in the "eye of the beholder".

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23 Jul 2007 at 04:12 - 50
If someone uses the N-word be they black or pink, my respect for them drops to zero.

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23 Jul 2007 at 04:13 - 51
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Originally Posted by Series
Not at all. All I said was that the "n-word" is used by african americans on a very high frequency which definitely takes away from it's offensiveness.
No, you didn't. You were questioning why the word was offensive because people listen to rap music. Read your freaking post.

I can't believe I'm sitting here defending why it's offensive. I'm gonna leave you to jacking off to all the attention you're getting, since that's the only conclusion I can come to as to why you're even arguing why using these terms are justifiable in an online game.

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23 Jul 2007 at 04:13 - 52
It's funny, kind of. Reminds you that there's no way you're the dumbest motherf***er in GW.

Series

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23 Jul 2007 at 04:13 - 53
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Originally Posted by Jecht Scye
If someone uses the N-word be they black or pink, my respect for them drops to zero.
Of course if someone uses the "C-word" or "W-word" be they white or pink, your respect for them is unchanged.

Series

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23 Jul 2007 at 04:14 - 54
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Originally Posted by MrFuzzles
No, you didn't. You were questioning why the word was offensive because people listen to rap music. Read your freaking post.

I can't believe I'm sitting here defending why it's offensive. I'm gonna leave you to jacking off to all the attention you're getting, since that's the only conclusion I can come to as to why you're even arguing why using these terms are justifiable in an online game.
I realized I misunderstood what you were saying in your post. Read the other post I made and delete this one as it no longer applies.

Chris Blackstar

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23 Jul 2007 at 04:16 - 55
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Originally Posted by Vl Vl D
You clearly dont understand much at all. What your saying is that your would fight racism with racism? spose its like fighting terror with terror?
You make a very good point. In all understanding of this issue, you must fight this sort of this with education. Teach people to except others no matter who or what they stand for or believe, because in the end we are all human.

Unfortionally thanks to world leaders and Presidents like G.W. Bush, that will never happen, not even in our life time.

The message currentlly is, destroy those who the "Rich" feel are a threat to their security by labling them as terrorists, by any means nessassary. Lower the standards for all poor and lower class people, and except the poor criminals who violate our laws, because prisons are not deversified, and immigrants deserve a fair shot at freedom, even know all the money they make is sent back to Mexico, so the Mexican economy thrives.

Sorry for the political meesage, IMO

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23 Jul 2007 at 04:17 - 56
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Originally Posted by garethporlest18
Well then you are offended by silly things and words that mean nothing in the end.

Not to mention its the internet. If people such as the people in the OP situation, then they should just leave.

Series

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23 Jul 2007 at 04:21 - 57
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Originally Posted by Chris Blackstar
You make a very good point. In all understanding of this issue, you must fight this sort of this with education. Teach people to except others no matter who or what they stand for or believe, because in the end we are all human.
Typical hippie crap... so if someone believes in rape, we should accept them? If someone stands for terrorism, we should accept them? In an idealistic world where everything was peace love and happiness, this would be perfect. It's not an idealistic world and it is impossible for it to ever be, unless something like 1984 happens but I hardly call that idealistic.

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23 Jul 2007 at 04:25 - 58
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Originally Posted by Series
Of course if someone uses the "C-word" or "W-word" be they white or pink, your respect for them is unchanged.
maybe because Caucasian and white are not bad words to begin with.

you are in fact an idiot, you can not dispute this.

Series

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23 Jul 2007 at 04:26 - 59
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Originally Posted by Exoudeous
maybe because Caucasian and white are not bad words to begin with.

you are in fact an idiot, you can not dispute this.
I wasn't talking about Caucasian and white. Do you even live in the real world?

Skycluster

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23 Jul 2007 at 04:26 - 60
:O thats a pretty horrible comment in game...and yes he should be punished...
there really just idiots looking for attention...especially since he did it in all chat.

He deserves a hard painful slap in the face.And then a punch. Oh but of course he dosen't want that so he says it online...So instead he should get a temp. ban.

Kusandaa

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23 Jul 2007 at 04:27 - 61
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Originally Posted by DreamRunner
Not to mention its the internet. If people such as the people in the OP situation, then they should just leave.
Eh, I'm from the complete opposite point of view - I don't have to leave because someone else hates me for whatever reason (I happen to be gay, and quite open about it with my guidlies/alliance, whom I run with 90% of the time I play, so of course discussions about our real lives comes into play). I become provocative to a point where they usually ragequit. For some reason it amuses me to no end that people aren't willing to put up with differences in a GAME... I'd rather them leave then being stuck with an idiot for a whole mission.

(Then they PM me while I'm on their ignore list and I just LMAO).

Series

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23 Jul 2007 at 04:31 - 62
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kusandaa
I become provocative to a point where they usually ragequit.
So you go around TRYING to offend people who don't like your choices then laugh when they leave because of it? What exactly do you mean by provocative?

Chris Blackstar

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23 Jul 2007 at 04:31 - 63
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Originally Posted by Series
Typical hippie crap... so if someone believes in rape, we should accept them? If someone stands for terrorism, we should accept them? In an idealistic world where everything was peace love and happiness, this would be perfect. It's not an idealistic world and it is impossible for it to ever be, unless something like 1984 happens but I hardly call that idealistic.
Series, Jungle guide. Your title makes sense. Believes, not criminal activities.

Damm it Bush, why did you make a no child left behind act, and not put in the money to back it.

Poor Series did not get the education he so rightfully deserved, curse you Bush!!!

Series

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23 Jul 2007 at 04:33 - 64
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Originally Posted by Chris Blackstar
Series, Jungle guide. Your title makes sense. Believes, not criminal activities.

Damm it Bush, why did you make a no child left behind act, and not put in the money to back it.

Poor Series did not get the education he so rightfully deserved, curse you Bush!!!
Belief in rape. Belief in terrorism. Beliefs are not crimes. Besides, what may be criminal in one place may not be criminal in another.

Funny how first you preach accepting others no matter what they believe, then the second I disagree with you, you go bananas on me.

Vl Vl D

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23 Jul 2007 at 04:35 - 65
I find it funny that serries quotes partial sentences to make his argument and then asks peeps to delete their post becuase he jumped in all guns blazing without reading.

DreamRunner

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23 Jul 2007 at 04:36 - 66
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Originally Posted by Kusandaa
Eh, I'm from the complete opposite point of view - I don't have to leave because someone else hates me for whatever reason (I happen to be gay, and quite open about it with my guidlies/alliance, whom I run with 90% of the time I play, so of course discussions about our real lives comes into play). I become provocative to a point where they usually ragequit. For some reason it amuses me to no end that people aren't willing to put up with differences in a GAME... I'd rather them leave then being stuck with an idiot for a whole mission.

(Then they PM me while I'm on their ignore list and I just LMAO).
I usually do provoke people, but mostly with people at uni, just to have an argument, nothing really serious but on the internet its just not as fun and doesn't mean anything. The chances of you changing someone's mind is so small from the internet.

Thats why the internet is serious business because of people like the OP.

Series

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23 Jul 2007 at 04:38 - 67
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Originally Posted by Vl Vl D
I find it funny that serries quotes partial sentences to make his argument and then asks peeps to delete their post becuase he jumped in all guns blazing without reading.
I quote the part I am replying to. Why quote the entire post when you only choose to comment on part of it?

I read your post. I then realized that my RESPONSE was not perfect to it. So since you were responding to a post I removed, I asked you to delete the post as it was no longer an issue. I find it funny that you fail to understand this

bart

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23 Jul 2007 at 04:38 - 68
Btw guys, if u find a post here on GWG that you feel is racists, discrimnatory, flame baiting, flaming and so on you can click on the "Report Bad Post" right beside the green light









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Kusandaa

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23 Jul 2007 at 04:42 - 69
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Originally Posted by Series
So you go around TRYING to offend people who don't like your choices then laugh when they leave because of it? What exactly do you mean by provocative?
IMHO, if they care so much about whichever decision I make that doesn't have any relevance and halts a run/mission because of it, GG. If they only stick around to insult me or whoever else is in my team for whichever reason, I'd rather them being gone; therefore I DO provoke. I had it happen; some DID admit to being homophobic and tried their best not to insult me or anything, those I don't mind and I make efforts as well not to provoke them. They make efforts, I do the same. It's the others, the ones that won't shut up, that are going to do EVERYTHING to make sure YOU fail in this game because you're not like they want, that I just can't stand and WILL provoke. I probably set a bad example... but so far it worked for me.

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23 Jul 2007 at 04:42 - 70
Not to divert from the "Hey, let's spam our own belief of logic to the guy above me who called me an idiot " status this thread has seemed to pick up, but if someone is making racial slurs in game, they are violating the EULA, and should receive a suspension or a permanent ban (for repeat-offenders) as you have provided sufficient proof. A "Turn on chat filter" comment shouldn't be all they're doing, unless they don't really care if people are violating the EULA...

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23 Jul 2007 at 04:44 - 71
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Originally Posted by Series
So what's this, you want affirmative action in Guild Wars now?

New CoC Update: "If a man/woman of African or Jewish descent requests to join your party and you deny him, you are banned".

He has every right to party with who he wants. It was immature of him to announce this in all chat however.
You..do realize that this is just racism and that it should be punished and you are just trolling right?

Just in case: What dous it matter who the guy behind the screen is?Its not like youd know unless you asked, in wich case youre just asking for it.

To the OP: That is one big idiot, racists like that should be banned quick. Why do people get it in their heads to say that sort of things?-_-

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23 Jul 2007 at 04:44 - 72
To generally paraphrase the the EULA, don't be a jerk. This guy was a jerk, thus, he should be banned.

This has nothing to do with whether anyone is actually Jewish or whether it was funny, or whether the man is repressing your right to free speech, or whether Hasidic Jews are secretly building interstellar balloons to drop sarin on your house, it has to do with some guy being a complete dick to another person ingame.

Curse You

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23 Jul 2007 at 04:46 - 73
Quote:
Originally Posted by bart
Btw guys, if u find a post here on GWG that you feel is racists, discrimnatory, flame baiting, flaming and so on you can click on the "Report Bad Post" right beside the green light
I've been wanting to get a mod on this thread, but I can't decide which post I should report.

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23 Jul 2007 at 04:47 - 74
that is one reason i dont play that often anymore immaturity and unnecisary racism should not be tolerated
now that i think of it there should be a new ban that prevents you from using chat for a single offense

Chris Blackstar

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23 Jul 2007 at 04:48 - 75
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Originally Posted by Series
Belief in rape. Belief in terrorism. Beliefs are not crimes. Besides, what may be criminal in one place may not be criminal in another.

Funny how first you preach accepting others no matter what they believe, then the second I disagree with you, you go bananas on me.
Believes, I was refering to religion and socal believes, sure there is genocide and reigous fundualmentlism, but the key was EDUCATION, to educate persons and explain what is exceptable in socity and what is not. Education of human history, all of it, and not just what is politically correct.

That means explaining the double standard, and why some people find certain words like articulate racist when a white person uses it to give a positve compliment to a Black person.

I hate to say it but many african Americans have brought the hate on to themselves, simply by excepting a double standard as the norm.

The N word is racist no matter who says it, understand?

Vl Vl D

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23 Jul 2007 at 04:48 - 76
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Originally Posted by Series
I quote the part I am replying to. Why quote the entire post when you only choose to comment on part of it?

I read your post. I then realized that my RESPONSE was not perfect to it. So since you were responding to a post I removed, I asked you to delete the post as it was no longer an issue. I find it funny that you fail to understand this
Like I said "partial sentence" lol you qoute partial sentences to give your argument more clout. again read the posts because its not my posts that your asking to be deleted. Are you gona ask me to delete mine? What is your perfect world......no education for anyone?

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23 Jul 2007 at 04:48 - 77
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Originally Posted by Curse You
I've been wanting to get a mod on this thread, but I can't decide which post I should report.
I just reported the OP, and referenced the whole thread. Honestly, nothing good can come of the subject matter, despite the somewhat good intentions that started it.

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23 Jul 2007 at 04:56 - 78
If you report he'll probably get a 3 day ban, which is common for in game racism.

Report him, it does work.

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23 Jul 2007 at 04:57 - 79
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Originally Posted by arcanemacabre
I just reported the OP, and referenced the whole thread. Honestly, nothing good can come of the subject matter, despite the somewhat good intentions that started it.
The OP didnt do anything wrong. you should have reported the trolls in the thread instead of reporting an innocent.

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23 Jul 2007 at 05:03 - 80
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Originally Posted by Exoudeous
The OP didnt do anything wrong. you should have reported the trolls in the thread instead of reporting an innocent.
The OP (Opening Post, not Opening Poster) covers a subject that obviously many of the more juvenile member of this forum can't handle. That means the disgusting behavior that has been presented was bound to happen, and if this thread is left open, will continue to happen. So, I suggest the closing of the thread, which I did by reporting the post that started the thread. That's all. Nothing wrong with the OP (as in Opening Poster), just the thread itself.