Would you buy or sell gold if it was legal?

hallomik

hallomik

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2006

The Illini Tribe

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If you had to have specific, rare gear to be competitive in high-end parts of the game, I could possibly see an argument for buying gold. I would personally never want to play a game like that.

Fortunately, in Guild Wars as it is currently designed, there is absolutely no reason to buy gold. As someone previously stated, you can max out stat-wise in a week of casual play. After that, particular weapons, armors, mini pets, etc. are a representation of what you have accomplished in the game. By buying gold to acquire those vanity items, you're attempting to give a false impression to others about what you've achieved.

Think of it this way. Buying gold to get vanity items is like buying and wearing real-life medals earned by real-life soldiers. Once someone finds out you paid real money to fool people into thinking you did something you never did, you will be judged accordingly. And using the argument, "why should I have to do something dangerous and brave, when I can work in McDonalds for a week and buy the medal directly" doesn't really fly does it?

Hyper.nl

Hyper.nl

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Oct 2006

Defending Fort Aspenwood

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I would not buy gold from other players (farmers) because I can easily get scammed. I've no way of ensurance that I will get the gold when I pay someone.

I would buy gold if it was available via retail, like buying a game card which unlocks 100k or rare crafting materials.

Why? Because 1 hour real life working for my boss gives me way more gold than 1 hour of ingame farming. Even though farming is more fun.

But stuff like this never happens, because it hurts the ingame economy and makes it harder for regular players to obtain good items.

Muspellsheimr

Muspellsheimr

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Feb 2007

Quote:
Originally Posted by hallomik
By buying gold to acquire those vanity items, you're attempting to give a false impression to others about what you've achieved.
Some of us don't give a shit what other's think, and if they need to give a false impression of achievement to themselves, they are retarded. I want my characters to look a certain way for myself only. If I think a standard armor set looks better than a vanity set, I won't bother with the vanity, and vice versa.

And yes, I probably would buy gold on rare occasions.

Dralspire

Retired

Join Date: Apr 2005

I think I would sell mediocre in-game items for a lot of in-game gold people buy with real cash. Oh wait, isn't that already the case now?

TheRaven

TheRaven

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Sep 2006

Virginia

Spirit of Elisha

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I don't see the point of "What if" threads like this one and the "What if GW had a monthly fee" thread. I mean, buying gold legitimately is never gonna happen and the heads at A-net have already stated that they are committed to a "no monthly fee" business case. So what's the point of debating the topic?

If we could buy gold I would probably quit the game. Inflation would be so bad, only the rich kids could compete and buy stuff.

Oh, and to answer the legal/illegal question. It is perfectly legal to buy and/or sell gold today. It is also against the EULA and will get your account banned. Against EULA does not equal Illegal. They are 2 completely different standards. Just because something is legal, doesn't make it right. It's legal to commit adultery in the USA. You won't be thrown in jail for it. When your wife finds out about it, you may wish you were in jail though.

DFrost

DFrost

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jul 2005

Ultima Thule

Legacy of Echovald [Echo]

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No. Buying = waste of money. Selling = waste of time.

max gladius

max gladius

Yep, really is me...

Join Date: Aug 2005

My House

L33t

Quote:
Originally Posted by Gli
I'd sell everything on my account for as much as I could.

Then I'd go look for another game.
My idea exactly... if GW was "based on how much real money i could blow" i would be playing WOW right now....

I despise "ebayers".... people runnen around with tormented items, headed to FOW with frenzy heal sig and a skill cap.... its like WTF? Guess all those titles and money u bought didnt come with instructions....

I cant imagine spending even 50$ to get somethen ingame, when that is 50$ i could be spending on my daughter or my wife or such.... i dont understand how ppl do it....

Legal or not, it ruins the game, turns it into a "size contest" and destroys the fun in the game....

You dont have to have perfect everything rare to play the game... and having such things makes you no better player...

I am here for the fun of the game, yes i am a collector of many things, but when it comes down to it, im here to "turn red dots into grey dots"

*Side Note*
There is a game im told that ingame almost nothing drops, that everything you want for ingame must be purchased threw the company that runs the game.... for all who want that structure, have at it, go pay all u want to get all u want...

Commander Ryker

Site Contributor

Join Date: Jun 2005

R/

If everyone had 1,000,000 gold, no one would be leet. It would also cause the economy to crash.

Etta

Etta

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jun 2006

Mancland, British Empire

I was thinking, right now I'm not that rich (in game) but I can buy most thing I want (in game) maybe 2-3 fow set and other things, so I'm better off than a lot of people. Because back then I had a lot of time to play, trade and farm but now I have a better job, more income (irl) and hardly anytime to play.

If I lost all my in game money now, would I do it all again? No, I can't be arse, I would buy the gold. Yes, I would buy it BUT not from chinese farmer, only if it ligit from ANet and no middleman, which will never happen.

Nevin

Nevin

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jul 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by Zorgy
Would you buy or sell gold if it was legal?
Would you buy or sell DRUGS if it was legal?

Why dont you play GW instead of posting such kind of topics?

I know the answer.....

Who will create the next MORON topic?
Yes I'd do both, great profit until the market stabilizes again.

=HT=Ingram

=HT=Ingram

Forge Runner

Join Date: Feb 2005

Anchorage Alaska

Haz Team [HT]

R/W

never. even if Anet sold the gold. Cheating is cheating legal or illegal, and if I found out anyone in our alliance did so they would be gone at the drop of a hat.

Is that discrimination? probably, but I don't give a flying fig. If you buy gold its cheating. period. Especially when everything in this game is attainable with just a little effort and some time actually playing. Buying gold basically makes playing the game at all pointless.

freekedoutfish

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jun 2006

E/

If it was legal... NO!!

1) Why would I spend more real money on a game, that has already cost me around £60 for all 3 campaigns?
2) If I did have money to burn, it would give me an unfair advantage over those who didnt in real life.

The reason selling ingame gold for real world money is illegal, is because it gives realworld rich people an advantage over the poor.

We are meant to all be on the same level ingame, with the same advantage and disadvantages. The same resources and possibilities. The same abilities to make gold, as the guy next to you!

Your ingame experience shouldnt be influenced by whether your rich or poor in real life.

As it stands, we all have the ability to farm, to use the same skills, use the same weapons. We all have the same resources at our disposal to make gold.

The people who want to buy ingame gold with real-world money are blatenely those who have far too much to money in the real-world. Either they have high-flying jobs, rich parents or their spoilt.

Should we really allow people like that to have this advantage over others who are less privilaged?

You dont even need to buy ingame gold on ebay and such places, to make a living ingame. It is very, very, very easy to make gold just by playing the game. Anyone who looks elsewhere to make wealth is just greedy.

I have been farming sunspear and lightbringer points for days now and im nearly at legendary spearmarhsal. Last night I did about 3 or 4 runs inside the worm, and each time I came back with about 1-2k from drops. I made about 10k in total last night.

If I had kept at it, I could have made alot more and all I did was sell the drops to the merchant.

If that isnt sufficient enough to keep you happy, and that isnt enough to earn you a living ingame, then your just greedy.

Avarre

Avarre

Bubblegum Patrol

Join Date: Dec 2005

Singapore Armed Forces

Quote:
Originally Posted by max gladius

*Side Note*
There is a game im told that ingame almost nothing drops, that everything you want for ingame must be purchased threw the company that runs the game.... for all who want that structure, have at it, go pay all u want to get all u want...
Sounds to some extent like the Iron Realms games. The advantage of their model, though, is that due to the depth of the game you can afford to make it your absolute hobby and only game.

Personally - I wouldn't buy money, as I have time to PvE. I might have considered selling my account though.

pork soldier

pork soldier

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jul 2005

Eh, I've spent 800k in the last 6 weeks - if I could buy gold to replace it instead of having to maintain reserves I think I'd end up spending a lot of IRL cash money.

Some people have a lot of time and no money, they farm for gold. Some people have money and no time (or no desire to farm) ... those people might want to buy gold.

In my case I farmed a lot when I had tons of free time a year ago, I still have over 1.5M in cash reserves so I have no real need to buy gold. Though honestly, I could have spent far less IRL time acquiring that gold by just going to work for 5 hours and then handing that RL money over for 1M gold. That's pretty attractive. I think if I got into another game in the future I'd seriously consider buying a chunk of gold to start and then using that to buy and sell my way to more.

When you have a good job and you look at the worth of your real life time buying gold is an extremely viable option.

So, that said, it's time for the inevitable unreasonable ZOMG responses... Feel free to rant kids, I'm not going to bother reading what you write

LONGA

LONGA

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Sep 2006

Thailand

Agot

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Sli Ander reply is just as my though.Those who don't understand game's nature and buy gold are dumb.
The reason for me to play this game is you don't need to be in game millionaire to enjoy any content within the game .
So answer is no for me.

Healers Wisper

Healers Wisper

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Apr 2007

Anaheim, CA

BoMB

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I really can't belive how many people would actually buy gold. I mean what is the point of buying a game and playing a game? Is it to get everything you want and complete the game, I would say yes. But how muc have you really accomplished by taking the easy route and buying gold. This just feeds into the instant gratification mentality of our society. A little hard work never hurt anyone.

THis same mindset flows into many aspects of games. ie god mode Never played god mode until I bea the game normally, this is because I feel I have cheated myself by using shortcuts. I don't know maybe its an integrety thing, but really a little hard work and patience never hurt anyone.

Age

Age

Hall Hero

Join Date: Jul 2005

California Canada/BC

STG Administrator

Mo/

Quote:
Originally Posted by hallomik
If you had to have specific, rare gear to be competitive in high-end parts of the game, I could possibly see an argument for buying gold. I would personally never want to play a game like that.

Fortunately, in Guild Wars as it is currently designed, there is absolutely no reason to buy gold. As someone previously stated, you can max out stat-wise in a week of casual play. After that, particular weapons, armors, mini pets, etc. are a representation of what you have accomplished in the game. By buying gold to acquire those vanity items, you're attempting to give a false impression to others about what you've achieved.

Think of it this way. Buying gold to get vanity items is like buying and wearing real-life medals earned by real-life soldiers. Once someone finds out you paid real money to fool people into thinking you did something you never did, you will be judged accordingly. And using the argument, "why should I have to do something dangerous and brave, when I can work in McDonalds for a week and buy the medal directly" doesn't really fly does it?
That comparison is flawed as there is no relation between the both of them.You earn XP and Tiltes like medals not vanity items and who cares if you paid gold for it.I don''t but I am jealous of those who did and there are lot of player who did with FoW armour.You can't tell me they farmed it as this game is so darn nerfed it would take 2 years for the casual farmer and the ones I see with FoW armour aren't that at all or they have nice guild/friend that gives them the money.You really can't tell me there are those who aren't buying gold to get the best in the game.

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Healers Wisper I really can't belive how many people would actually buy gold. I mean what is the point of buying a game and playing a game? Is it to get everything you want and complete the game, I would say yes. But how muc have you really accomplished by taking the easy route and buying gold. This just feeds into the instant gratification mentality of our society. A little hard work never hurt anyone.
Because it a lot easier than playing or farming a nerfed game.I know some of you weren't here in May 05 when there were no nerfs and the drops were really good.You got gold FDS in the North Shiverpeaks put not anymore.

My Sweet Revenga

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Nov 2005

R/

Hrmmph, y'know, I could buy a lot of gold with the money saved from no monthly fee...... hrrrmmmmm.....

MrFuzzles

MrFuzzles

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jun 2007

Norway

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Healers Wisper
I really can't belive how many people would actually buy gold. I mean what is the point of buying a game and playing a game? Is it to get everything you want and complete the game, I would say yes. But how muc have you really accomplished by taking the easy route and buying gold. This just feeds into the instant gratification mentality of our society. A little hard work never hurt anyone.

THis same mindset flows into many aspects of games. ie god mode Never played god mode until I bea the game normally, this is because I feel I have cheated myself by using shortcuts. I don't know maybe its an integrety thing, but really a little hard work and patience never hurt anyone.
I think the main argument for buying gold is the whole hardcore vs casual thing. At least that's the mentality for people who ebay in Lineage 2 and such; "I don't have time to play as much as hardcore people, therefore I am entitled to take shortcuts".

It really doesn't make sense though imo, since hardcore players are the first to buy ingame assets anyway, and at a much bigger volume than casual players.

pork soldier

pork soldier

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jul 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by Healers Wisper
I really can't belive how many people would actually buy gold. I mean what is the point of buying a game and playing a game? Is it to get everything you want and complete the game, I would say yes. But how muc have you really accomplished by taking the easy route and buying gold. This just feeds into the instant gratification mentality of our society. A little hard work never hurt anyone.

THis same mindset flows into many aspects of games. ie god mode Never played god mode until I bea the game normally, this is because I feel I have cheated myself by using shortcuts. I don't know maybe its an integrety thing, but really a little hard work and patience never hurt anyone.
Honestly it depends on what it is that you want. There are a lot of things in GW that I'd rather do than farm for days to get a drop, if I could spend $5 (which I can make IRL in ~5 minutes) and buy the money to spend on the drop then it's a no brainer.

Seriously, do you really want to farm for hours for something that has a 2% drop rate, or would you rather skip the grinding and go right into what you wanted to do _with_ that item?

I'm talking strictly about utility here, the trophy items (fow armor, tormented weapons/sheild, crystaline swords) are an entirely different ballgame - those IMO are earned and the people who didn't earn them are usually painfully obvious (ie: really bad players).

Green Gnight

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Nov 2005

Yes, I would buy. If the trade is consensual, then the size of the pie is bigger, and both people are better off. Some of us adults have higher paying jobs, and would gladly trade some of our extra income for a little less effort in game.

spellsword

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Mar 2006

The reason why I would buy gold is that I would rather play the game than farm for hours. Grinding isn't fun in the least.

Turbo Wombat

Turbo Wombat

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Nov 2005

Centeral Texas

Heros of Titans Realm

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Buy: No. I'm too cheap to pay someone else to do something I can do myself.

Sell: No again. I make better money selling snow cones. Also, when I start playing a game and it's not just for fun, it loses a lot of entertainment value for me.

Chris Blackstar

Banned

Join Date: Apr 2005

United States

Anet could put the bots out of business buy selling gold in the online store, and make it cheap. $9.99 for 1000K If it was ok to sell gold for money, no I would not do it, I would be stealing from a corporation, and I know if I developed a game and it was done to me, I would be pissed to the point of going after the violaters with extream prejustice.

Mordakai

Mordakai

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Aug 2005

Kyhlo

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Sure. Why not?

I'd be supporting Anet and making my toons look better.

Win/ Win.