New Non-Blunt "Hammers"?

LobsterMobster

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Oct 2006

SBD

N/Me

Looking at the new skills I noticed that one of the hammer skills depicts a guy holding a big axe in the icon, and in the Eye of the North cover art it looks kind of like Jora is holding a large, two-handed sword of some sort. Anyone think they're going to add some new two-handed warrior swords and axes and label them as hammers, kind of like the piercing-damage pick in Factions?

Nevin

Nevin

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jul 2005

That'd be amusing, but... wouldn't satisfy the need of real two-handed swords. If anything, hammer mastery would become more popular with the introduction of such weapons.

Ulivious The Reaper

Ulivious The Reaper

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jan 2006

The Shadowed Assassins

W/Mo

theres a piercing hammer... however a giant axe for a hammer seems rather silly and slashing damage with insane KD is kinda over balanced i think

Nevin

Nevin

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jul 2005

If they introduced two handed swords and axes to Hammer Mastery, They'd have to change it to Two Handed Weapon Mastery

Mordakai

Mordakai

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Aug 2005

Kyhlo

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That Hammer skill could be a stylized Hammer, even though it looks like an axe. Then again, it's not like skill pix always match the description.

As for the concept art of Jora... well. Let's not get into concept art matching in-game!

Vilaptca

Vilaptca

Pre-Searing Vanquisher

Join Date: Jun 2005

Fifteen Over Fifty [Rare]

The uh...Collosal Pick is piercing damage.

So since Factions we've had a non-blunt hammer.

Mace Gridlock

Academy Page

Join Date: Feb 2006

Empire Of Corrupted Souls

Quote:
Originally Posted by Vilaptca
The uh...Collosal Pick is piercing damage.

So since Factions we've had a non-blunt hammer. Edit: nvm wrong thread.

Chrono Re delle Ere

Chrono Re delle Ere

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jul 2006

The Land of Hyrule

[GoE]

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As gw:en will introduce some features of gw2, I think that 2 handed swords/axes will be a new add to gw2. I just think so imo

DarkGanni

DarkGanni

Forge Runner

Join Date: Mar 2006

Malta

[CuTe]

E/

2 handed swords now that would be really cool

HKSdivision

HKSdivision

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Feb 2006

W/

If we could wield a sword with 2 hands that would be badass!

Tachyon

Tachyon

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2005

Stoke, England

The Godless [GOD]

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Yeah, just as long as the include a real Broadsword like the Claymore and not that wimpy looking, and quite frankly wrongly translated, Dao that masquerades as a Broadsword in Factions.

OI-812

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Apr 2006

Somewhere between GW and Fchan on the nets

None

R/D

Quote:
Originally Posted by Azagoth
Yeah, just as long as the include a real Broadsword like the Claymore and not that wimpy looking, and quite frankly wrongly translated, Dao that masquerades as a Broadsword in Factions. The claymore isn't a broadsword. Duh.

There are many different types of dao, and some of them could be regarded as broadswords. Failure #2 for you.

Technically, there already IS a claymore in GW. The Long Sword skin is, except for a couple of pointless notches in the blade close to the crosspiece, a spot-on recreation of what we know as the Scottish claymore. Also, the blade itself is a little too broad and heavy looking. http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Image:Long_Sword.jpg and http://www.scottishsword.com/SwordPics/Claymore2-1.jpg

Metasynaptic

Metasynaptic

Academy Page

Join Date: Aug 2006

W/N

I've wanted a 2 handed sword for an A/W since factions came out.

Seissor

Seissor

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Aug 2005

Squiggilyville. Population: Me.

[oRly] Hello Kitty Death Squad

R/Me

Quote:
Originally Posted by Vilaptca
The uh...Collosal Pick is piercing damage.

So since Factions we've had a non-blunt hammer. We've also had the Jitt the sword that does blunt damage :-)

arcanemacabre

arcanemacabre

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Feb 2006

North Kryta Province

Angel Sharks [As]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ulivious The Reaper
theres a piercing hammer... however a giant axe for a hammer seems rather silly and slashing damage with insane KD is kinda over balanced i think I don't see what would be so overpowered about a slashing-damage hammer (which is what a two-handed sword/axe would technically be). I mean, a lot of monks already carry shields with +10 vs. Slashing to protect against adrenal spikes, right? Plus, it would be fairly easy to see what kind of damage the weapon does based on it's appearance, unless of course it has an elemental upgrade. I honestly don't see any imbalance with it what-so-ever.

I say bring on the giant two-handed axes and swords! I wanna see something like what Jora is holding! Hell yeah! (I also secretly have been wanting to play as Astaroth from Soul Calibur... yumm!)

Eldin

Eldin

Forge Runner

Join Date: Dec 2005

America. How about you, commie?

Fellows of Mythgar [FOM]

R/Mo

Who says 2 handed swords can't be hammers? Just use the blunt end.

Two-handed weapons will indeed require renaming/addition of new attributes, unless they just make a sword, slow down its attack rate, and make it deal heavy damage. Though it defeats the purpose. Especially since some things, like ripostes, would be IMPOSSIBLE with two handed swords.

arcanemacabre

arcanemacabre

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Feb 2006

North Kryta Province

Angel Sharks [As]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Eldin
Especially since some things, like ripostes, would be IMPOSSIBLE with two handed swords. Which is why it would still be called a "Hammer", it would only have the appearance of a sword. All the hammer skills as they are would still make sense when used with a massive two-handed sword or axe. They could still inflict Weakness and Deep Wound, and could cause knockdown. There's no need for extra attributes or skills to handle such a massive weapon, just call it a hammer and be done with it.

Examples from one of my favorite games:



Basically, hammers with edges.

Nevin

Nevin

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jul 2005

What I think everyone is over looking is the fact that they would have to create new animations, unless the swords had extremely long handles. Hammers are held with TWO hands, up at the top and down at the bottom. Two handed swords are held at the HILT. MAYBE a two handed axe could use the hammer animations, but no way could a two handed sword.

arcanemacabre

arcanemacabre

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Feb 2006

North Kryta Province

Angel Sharks [As]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Nevin
What I think everyone is over looking is the fact that they would have to create new animations, unless the swords had extremely long handles. Hammers are held with TWO hands, up at the top and down at the bottom. Two handed swords are held at the HILT. MAYBE a two handed axe could use the hammer animations, but no way could a two handed sword. I didn't forget - extra long sword handle FTW! Have you seen the pictures of Jora with her massive sword? That handle could easily equal a short-handled hammer. The second hand would just be resting on the pommel, while the other hand would be right up near the guard. Of course, this would only allow the truly massive, huge, enormous blades, like what Jora and Siegfried (my pic) is holding, and not more subtle two-handers like a claymore (long sword) or a katana. Though it's still pretty sweet and could work.

Tachyon

Tachyon

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2005

Stoke, England

The Godless [GOD]

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Quote:
Originally Posted by OI-812
The claymore isn't a broadsword. Duh.

There are many different types of dao, and some of them could be regarded as broadswords. Failure #2 for you.

Technically, there already IS a claymore in GW. The Long Sword skin is, except for a couple of pointless notches in the blade close to the crosspiece, a spot-on recreation of what we know as the Scottish claymore. Also, the blade itself is a little too broad and heavy looking.
http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Image:Long_Sword.jpg and http://www.scottishsword.com/SwordPics/Claymore2-1.jpg I love it when people think they're correct, yet they're not!

draxynnic

draxynnic

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Nov 2005

[CRFH]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Azagoth
I love it when people think they're correct, yet they're not! Ol-812, I think you've misinterpreted what Azagoth said. While the use of the term 'broadsword' has expanded in modern times to include any sword made for slashing, it originally referred specifically to a specific kind of sword - straight, double-edged, basket-hilted. The broadsword skin in Factions is a dao. No dao, however, fits the specific definition of a broadsword (the term refers to Chinese blades that are single-edged and often curved - straight, double-edged blades in China are referred to as the jian).

On the claymore... you're half right and half wrong. There are in fact two different sword designs that have been called a claymore. The first is the well-known, two-handed version that was used until around the 1700s, which is fairly close in appearance to the Guild Wars long sword skin. The second, however, used from then until (by some British officers) World War 2, and probably as a dress sword even today, pretty much exactly corresponds to the original definition of a broadsword, to the point of the terms being used interchangably.

(Oh, and for the record, notches like those are probably for halfswording techniques.)

LobsterMobster

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Oct 2006

SBD

N/Me

I'd be awesome if they put claymores in Guild Wars. Maybe as an elite ranger trap.

Wulfgast

Wulfgast

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jan 2007

Louisville, KY, US

Rite of Passage [RP]

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I hate to burst everyone's bubble, but Isaiah Cartwright (a.k.a. Izzy, the guy that handles skill balancing at Anet) has confirmed that the image for Pulverizing Smash is actually a hammer.

http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Talk:Pulverizing_Smash

Believe me, I was just as excited as anybody when I thought it was an axe upon first glance. And don't ask me how that's supposed to look like a hammer, either.

LobsterMobster

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Oct 2006

SBD

N/Me

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