Has anyone ever seen this?
Miral
I'm guessing that your friend was horribly new to the game and had a friend give him all the money or the zodiac? if so, then no real loss to him since he put no effort into getting the goods... and if not, then how the hell did he not know about a. shadowstepping, and b. showing stats in the trade window? the world may never know...
Iuris
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Guild wars is not intended to be played that way. SOME games may be and behavior of this type may be encouraged there. Here, no.
zwei2stein
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Originally Posted by Winter Lady
Nobody deserves to be scammed with whatever methods used.
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* Want to dupe items (and are stupid enough to bevileve that someone who knows how to dupe will teach them or help them)
* Want hack or exploit (and trust person offering them this stuff)
* Want to scam someone (and get outsmarted)
Deserve to be on recieving end on scam, period.
OP is not one of them thou, it unfortunate that something like that happened to him, but he should be gratefull for such lesson (he should to fall for that seccond time) and should enjoy fact that he can report and possibly get ban issued for some scum.
hallomik
The count so far:
Pro Scammer / Anti Victim :19 (44%)
Pro Victim / Anti Scammer :15 (35%)
Post didn't take side / Neutral :9 (21%)
Pro Scammer / Anti Victim :19 (44%)
Pro Victim / Anti Scammer :15 (35%)
Post didn't take side / Neutral :9 (21%)
Darkobra
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Originally Posted by Bazompora
It's as much within the mechanism of the game, as "bluffing" is within that of Poker.
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Miral
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Originally Posted by Darkobra
A lawyer can also read a legal contract. Must be the difference between you and a lawyer.
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Bazompora
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Originally Posted by arcanemacabre
The game mechanics are not the law of the game solely. Case in point: Exploits/Bots - these things work |within| the mechanics and both are not allowed by Anet, who is ultimately the law of their own private game. Scams also fall in that category.
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- Exploits: the fault lies with the maker, who made them part of the mechanism.
- Bots: they use externally created programs which are not part of the mechanism, so it is just plain cheating. Using bots can be compared to slipping an ace out of your sleeves in a game of cards.
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Originally Posted by Iuris
If you go play poker, you know what to expect if you play.
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arcanemacabre
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Originally Posted by Bazompora
Exploits: the fault lies with the maker, who made them part of the mechanism.
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Bots: they use externally created programs which are not part of the mechanism, so it is just plain cheating.
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Using bots can be compared to slipping an ace out of your sleeves in a game of cards.
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Yichi
The only reason I went out and dropped an ID kit was because i knew what was comming from the old days of the Diablo2 drop trade hack, I just wanted to have a little fun with the guy.
YAY!!! So where do I pick up my cookie? Because I'm hungry atm...
Not all are shown. Recall is now changed to the caster maintaining it on themselves, and the guy I was with used Shadow Meld which teleports you on cast.
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Originally Posted by Bryant Again
Congratulations, you've just won Guild Wars.
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Originally Posted by Destinyy
Just one thing, recall is a maintained enchantment... surely alarm bells ring when the dude puts recall on you then runs away??? As far as I know, you can tell when recall has been put on you...
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Bazompora
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Originally Posted by arcanemacabre
The program is simply replacing the player.
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Exploiting and scamming are nowhere near this.
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Originally Posted by arcanemacabre
Slipping an ace out of your sleeves fall well within the realm of what is possible - ie. mechanics of the card game.
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Originally Posted by arcanemacabre
Just because you can do something does not mean it is allowed.
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Kushiels_Scion
Your friend was just completely stupid to do that period. They deserved to have it taken for dropping it on the ground like that.
arcanemacabre
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Originally Posted by Bazompora
Thereby creating an NPC in a PC slot, which is cheating towards the mechanism that reserved that slot for a PC.
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No, it doesn't, for part of the mechanism is being replaced (card deck no longer correct), thereby breaking the original mechanism.
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Think about it this way: What would be the point to the EULA if everything they would not want others to be able to do could be simply avoided by making code that does not allow them to do it? If the programming is the law of the land, that would be the case, and there would be no need for rules at all. Of course, in a world where no one could be murdered, there would be no need for a law forbidding it.
If you cannot understand by now, then you may never, and I've wasted my time. Either way, anything beyond this is a waste of my time, so I will not continue further.
Sentience
Lol what an idiot your friend is.
Jiao Yang
I've seen this tried before.. infact it's been tried on me a few times.
Now I can understand why maybe someone would drop the item if the other player was far enough away, and no skills had been used by them. The scammer would then use the more sensible option of Return to teleport.
However, I really can't see how it's not extremely obvious what they're going to do when the other player has just used Recall. How he fell for it I really don't know..
I've never actually seen people try to use Recall before.. but yes, this scam is definately popular with the tricksters at the moment. You should never drop your weapon for any reason anyway.
Now I can understand why maybe someone would drop the item if the other player was far enough away, and no skills had been used by them. The scammer would then use the more sensible option of Return to teleport.
However, I really can't see how it's not extremely obvious what they're going to do when the other player has just used Recall. How he fell for it I really don't know..
I've never actually seen people try to use Recall before.. but yes, this scam is definately popular with the tricksters at the moment. You should never drop your weapon for any reason anyway.
Hole Sale Traps
Someone Tried this on my like a month, ago I was wise and said to bad when he clamed that he could not see the skin in the trade window or when I equipped it so I left to keep spaming WTS in Lions ^^
erfweiss
I was the victim of something like this years ago on Diablo II. I was new to online gaming and was too trusting. I've gotten to the point of trusting vritually no one, because they always seen to have an alterior motive. Call it extremism, but I haven't been burned since.
Konrow
Honestly i have to agree with the majority here. Even if he fell for the "texture mods" crap he should still be smart enough to realize that the trade window shows all stats and color. The dropping scam is not very common but it is very old and so people should be well aware of what can happen.
lacasner
Yea...he's a very good pvp player but didnt know all bout possible scams and such..So you can't really call someone stupid I guess for never knowing about something.
dopple
funny, on the first page of this thread, people are lambasting the victim instead of the scammer... I wont read the rest.
RachaelH
I want you to drop all of your gold on the floor so I can see it is real and not just salvage kits dyed silver!
Anyone had someone keep shouting 'scammer!' at you when you decided not to buy something off them? That is annoying! (or when you try to haggle before even putting in the offer in the trade :P)
Anyone had someone keep shouting 'scammer!' at you when you decided not to buy something off them? That is annoying! (or when you try to haggle before even putting in the offer in the trade :P)
RachaelH
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I was the victim of something like this years ago on Diablo II. I was new to online gaming and was too trusting. I've gotten to the point of trusting vritually no one, because they always seen to have an alterior motive. Call it extremism, but I haven't been burned since.
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dpcash
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Originally Posted by fenix
Of course he deserved to be scammed. Who in their right mind thinks that there is a reason to drop a weapon? Also, the monk was a MO/A, WHICH IS OBVIOUS. Stop sticking up for him. He was dumb. He got scammed. He deserved it.
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Pompous, arrogant and uncaring!
RachaelH
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This is such a good example of what is wrong with this community.
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Shadowspawn X
The replies to this post is a glaring example of the immorality of this community.
No one deserves to be scammed. This reminds me of an situation 25 years ago I was in basic training on a live training exercise. All we had to do was follow a simple path to avoid the bullets, some kid zigged when he should of zagged and got his head blown off. It was stupid but he didn't deserve to lose his life over a dum mistake. However bad someones judgment is they still feel real pain and dont need to be ridiculed on top of that pain. The lack of compassion and empathy of this community is sicking. Which is why H/H is the only option for so many.
No one deserves to be scammed. This reminds me of an situation 25 years ago I was in basic training on a live training exercise. All we had to do was follow a simple path to avoid the bullets, some kid zigged when he should of zagged and got his head blown off. It was stupid but he didn't deserve to lose his life over a dum mistake. However bad someones judgment is they still feel real pain and dont need to be ridiculed on top of that pain. The lack of compassion and empathy of this community is sicking. Which is why H/H is the only option for so many.
Messy
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Of course he deserved to be scammed. Who in their right mind thinks that there is a reason to drop a weapon? Also, the monk was a MO/A, WHICH IS OBVIOUS. Stop sticking up for him. He was dumb. He got scammed. He deserved it
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This is such a good example of what is wrong with this community.
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Nobody deserves to be scammed, nobody deserves to have their items taken away. ANET should enforce perma-banning scammers. I know they have done it before, but you need the screen shots to support it.
One of my guildies was scammed of a stack of ectos a few months back, with that trade window bug. You could replace 250 ectos for 250 pieces of wood, and the trade window would still show 250 ectos. The scammer was a well established player, rank 9+, FOW armor, loaded... yet he felt the need to scam. He was permanently banned from Guild Wars, both his accounts. He was permanently banned from Guru, thanks to INDE.
So if you are ever scammed, take screenshots, and if you are placed on ignore, ask a friend to whisper to the scammer if it's worth having their account banned? Explain you have screenshots and you are giving them a chance before you send the screenies to ANET. With this method I have been
able to get things back for guildies and friends. Quite often, scammers don't think of the consequences.
erfweiss
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My friend used me as a mule today (lol love that expression) from one character to another with about 100k's worth of stuff! That is very trusting and allthough I gave all the items to the player's alternate character I wouldn't recommend ever doing that just in case!
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Thankful that Guild Wars has the storage account based, so I never have to mule again.
Bazompora
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Originally Posted by arcanemacabre
Umm, there is no creation of an NPC. It's an external program that acts as a person. The character controlled is still a PC (Player Character). On Anet's servers, the PC is still a PC, and is still doing all the things a PC does, and all within the mechanics of the game.
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Originally Posted by arcanemacabre
I love how you avoid the real points, and continue to play on semantics. Do address the real life scenarios I provided. It is very possible to kill someone, steal something from someone, etc.
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If you cannot understand by now, then you may never, and I've wasted my time.
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Either way, anything beyond this is a waste of my time, so I will not continue further.
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